Guild Wars 2

(Full Disclaimer: Sea of Sorrows (SoS) player here amused by the shenanigans of T1.)

If indeed JQ and TC are “win trading” the result of this weeks match will be:

BG: 17
TC: 19
JQ: 17

I posit to you playing of TC (Tarnished Coast) what is the likelihood with only four (4) match-ups left that JQ continues to fair win trade and give you the Tournament victory of 1st place in Gold League?

A four week fair trade rotation would play out like so:

Week 6

TC: 22
JQ: 22

Week 7

TC: 27
JQ: 25

Week 8

TC: 30
JQ: 30

Week 9 (oooh greedy JQ showing its true colors?)

TC: 35 (33?)
JQ: 33 (35?)

So TC what exactly are the odds that the only server in this game, with an Ego as big as BG (Black Gate) is going to simply allow you to roll off with a 1st place victory?

Sure, you can keep up the trading alliance until the last week…

But what if the last week TC takes it upon itself to give BG a bit of revenge (putting JQ in second where they don’t want to be), or convinces SoS to help them dethrone BOTH T1 servers in a single Tournament?

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So TC you have chance to topple T1 entirely for the tournament (ousting both BG and JQ from first place)… what do you do TC? What do you do.

Do you choose mediocrity? Or do you roll over the top T1 servers and show them you belong in T1?

I believe that’s how the math worked out for the servers. Trade wins until the final week, then JQ and TC and duke it out between the 2 without consequence of a 3rd servers points as they won’t matter anymore.

The thing is, I’m not sure whose supposed to be the 3rd server in the final week, but I believe it’s supposed to be SoS. It could be BG, either way, whomever that 3rd server is basically decides who takes 1st. SoS could simply only attack TC forcing them into 2nd, or they could easily just attack JQ forcing them into 2nd.

The interesting thing is, what if BG is that 3rd server in the final match? What route will they take? Will they attack both servers evenly, or will they just go after 1 server to make sure that server doesn’t place 1st.

2vs1 has it’s advantages, but it also can turn around and bite you in the kitten as well.

(Full Disclaimer: Jade Quarry (JQ) player here amused by the non-alliance, alliance in round 4).

Try not to over analyze, because really A,B,C

A nything
B ut
C rygate

TC2win

SoS will be the 3rd server on the last matchup… TC/JQ will duke for 1st without BG.

May the best server win… (And it’s not going to be BG)

SoS will win week 9

I think the more interesting question is; what will SoS be doing?

BG – 17
SoS – 17

With SoS in T2 and BG in T1

week 6
BG – 18
SoS – 22

here SoS and BG trade places, BG faces mag and DB. We Assume SoS gets third in the JQ/TC and BG gets first in the DB/Mag

week 7
BG – 23
SoS – 23

Now here’s the pinch. With a tied score, as far as anyone can tell, the servers overall rating determines who then would fight JQ and TC.

BG currently has the higher rating, but after 2 matchups?

So lets say SoS has the lower rating.

Week 8
BG – 24
SoS -28

Which places BG back into T2

Week 9
SoS – 29
BG – 29

Of course, even reversed, this would put us at the same scores again. Which means (again, as far as anyone can tell) that the server between BG and SoS with the highest rating at the end of week 9 will take 3rd.

Which is to say, SoS has to raise its rating as high as it can. So it needs to essentially be doing better than BG is in T1/T2 to beat them and get third.

For whoever it matters, cowards are cowards…..even if they win (JQ,TC(SOR in disguise who made the 2v1 possible by giving JQ all their commander names))

And whichever server is at the top, will have a bunch of people who will have BIG EGO! it doesn’t mean the server as a whole is egoistic.

BG turned down many guilds that wanted to transfer and asked them to join other servers. That for me shows that their management was a true winner wanting fights and fun rather than childish play!

Stop the hatred! Now get back to WvW and give me a lootbag!

(Full discosure: SoR expatriot in TC who cares more to see WhackGate lose than anyone in particular win)

The concept, I believe, is that the win-trading will go until the final week, then we duke it out for first in the final week. Fine with me; I haven’t even played enough this season to qualify for rewards (Anet once again scheduled the season in the month leading up to finals) and can’t get enough delicious CrapGate tears.

The funny thing is, even in this stupid 2v1 meta, most of the prominent guilds and players of BG still like TC I have never seen anyone swear at TC as a server in ts. But everyone scolds JQ! hahaha….

Honestly TC has great team, better players, better guilds and better fight than JQ. I wouldn’t be surprised if they win the season (if they manage to organize well that is).

Perfectblue.6409:

BG turned down many guilds that wanted to transfer and asked them to join other servers. That for me shows that their management was a true winner wanting fights and fun rather than childish play!

I heard the blob guild [GODS] transferred over to BG from FA.

How’s that “turning down guilds” doing for you?

Chunky Milk.2130:

I heard the blob guild [GODS] transferred over to BG from FA.

How’s that “turning down guilds” doing for you?

Weird information sir. I have never seen that guild do any organized thing WvW. They don’t have a section in our TS, which probably means they are not a big deal or they don’d exist

Perfectblue.6409:

For whoever it matters, cowards are cowards…..even if they win (JQ,TC(SOR in disguise who made the 2v1 possible by giving JQ all their commander names))

And whichever server is at the top, will have a bunch of people who will have BIG EGO! it doesn’t mean the server as a whole is egoistic.

BG turned down many guilds that wanted to transfer and asked them to join other servers. That for me shows that their management was a true winner wanting fights and fun rather than childish play!

Stop the hatred! Now get back to WvW and give me a lootbag!

BG had at least 7 guilds transfer to their server during the off season up to 3 weeks prior to Season 2 starting. I know this because I was there, 7 blackouts called to bring in 7 different guilds. I also know only 1 left.

The question is, how many more guilds joined BG the 3 weeks prior to Season 2 starting? Somehow I think more than 7 transferred there. I can tell you for sure that TC did not have 7 guilds transfer to them. I can’t speak for JQ but I’m pretty sure they did not have 7 guilds transfer to them either.

Before all the transferring went on who had the best coverage to begin with out of the 3? BG of course, did they need those (at least 7 guilds)? Not by a long shot.

DeadlySynz.3471:

BG had at least 7 guilds transfer to their server during the off season up to 3 weeks prior to Season 2 starting. I know this because I was there, 7 blackouts called to bring in 7 different guilds. I also know only 1 left.

The question is, how many more guilds joined BG the 3 weeks prior to Season 2 starting? Somehow I think more than 7 transferred there. I can tell you for sure that TC did not have 7 guilds transfer to them. I can’t speak for JQ but I’m pretty sure they did not have 7 guilds transfer to them either.

Before all the transferring went on who had the best coverage to begin with out of the 3? BG of course, did they need those (at least 7 guilds)? Not by a long shot.

You can spy all you want. Truth is, we have 2 new guilds which weren’t part of season 1, NV and SUPR. Both have like 1 pug commander each and 20 men guilds.

Yes BG does have the coverage. But BG has weaknesses, and in those times I know for sure TC and JQ has zergs

One day when you will be part of a winning server, I hope you wont have to share the egoism of your server mates!

play the game for fun! don’t take it too personal
cheers!

Perfectblue.6409:

DeadlySynz.3471:

BG had at least 7 guilds transfer to their server during the off season up to 3 weeks prior to Season 2 starting. I know this because I was there, 7 blackouts called to bring in 7 different guilds. I also know only 1 left.

The question is, how many more guilds joined BG the 3 weeks prior to Season 2 starting? Somehow I think more than 7 transferred there. I can tell you for sure that TC did not have 7 guilds transfer to them. I can’t speak for JQ but I’m pretty sure they did not have 7 guilds transfer to them either.

Before all the transferring went on who had the best coverage to begin with out of the 3? BG of course, did they need those (at least 7 guilds)? Not by a long shot.

You can spy all you want. Truth is, we have 2 new guilds which weren’t part of season 1, NV and SUPR. Both have like 1 pug commander each and 20 men guilds.

Yes BG does have the coverage. But BG has weaknesses, and in those times I know for sure TC and JQ has zergs

One day when you will be part of a winning server, I hope you wont have to share the egoism of your server mates!

play the game for fun! don’t take it too personal
cheers!

You preach about not having “egoism” and then finish your thought with irony.

I guess it’s only natural you have a hint of delusion as well…

Please.

Lock.

Chunky Milk.2130:

You preach about not having “egoism” and then finish your thought with irony.

I guess it’s only natural you have a hint of delusion as well…

I am very clear mate. I was just replying to the OP that winners will be easily carried away by ego. And BG has many of them. What I meant was, when you (TC) finally be winners, I hope you don’t get caught in the hype too

Perfectblue.6409:

Chunky Milk.2130:

You preach about not having “egoism” and then finish your thought with irony.

I guess it’s only natural you have a hint of delusion as well…

I am very clear mate. I was just replying to the OP that winners will be easily carried away by ego. And BG has many of them. What I meant was, when you (TC) finally be winners, I hope you don’t get caught in the hype too

That’s the thing I don’t think you aren’t getting. No one on JQ or TC cares who wins, as long as it isn’t BG.

Chunky Milk.2130:

That’s the thing I don’t think you aren’t getting. No one on JQ or TC cares who wins, as long as it isn’t BG.

Thanks for the enlightenment! I got that clear now. Enjoy!

The agreement is that TC and JQ will compete in week 9 from reset on Friday till reset on Monday. At that time the current leader in points will be considered the undeclared winner. At that time the loser will take the rest of the week off allowing SoS to finish 2nd. This will result in SoS finishing 3rd overall pushing BG to 4th.

“That’s the thing I don’t think you aren’t getting. No one on JQ or TC cares who wins, as long as it isn’t BG.”
This isn’t true. They do care who wins.

No one wins. Two may win….but rest assured No ONE wins.
Let’s not mistake dishonor for Victory.

Chunky Milk.2130:

Perfectblue.6409:

Chunky Milk.2130:

You preach about not having “egoism” and then finish your thought with irony.

I guess it’s only natural you have a hint of delusion as well…

I am very clear mate. I was just replying to the OP that winners will be easily carried away by ego. And BG has many of them. What I meant was, when you (TC) finally be winners, I hope you don’t get caught in the hype too

That’s the thing I don’t think you aren’t getting. No one on JQ or TC cares who wins, as long as it isn’t BG.

They certainly do care and that’s exactly why they are doing what they are doing. JQ couldn’t win alone, if they could they would have and the same goes for TC. So they band together on the guise of “we just don’t want BG to win” because it increases their chances of winning. In reality they wanted to win and this is their best chance at it. If they were truly anti-BG it would have been a 2v1 from the start, but it wasn’t because no one knew how the first match would turn out. Once it was obvious who would win it was suddenly “We hate blackgate because mumble mumble”. But keep trying to mask the servers true motives…

It doesn’t even really who wins. Whether it’s JQ or TC it will have an asterisk next to it just like JQ/SOR stamping “buygate” on BG’s win last season. I honestly look forward to JQ or TC trying to brag about the season win. If this was 2 tier 2 servers coming together to beat BG it would be an awesome accomplishment, but as it is it’s just pathetic.

I am getting a lot of sPvP done this WvW season.

And there you have it Anet. JQ and TC outright admitting to match manipulation in your failure of a tournament. Are you still going to sit here and pretend that this is “really cool gameplay” then lock the threads again?

The only server I feel sad for this season is TC. How boring it must be to double team a server.

Peetee.9406:

The agreement is that TC and JQ will compete in week 9 from reset on Friday till reset on Monday. At that time the current leader in points will be considered the undeclared winner. At that time the loser will take the rest of the week off allowing SoS to finish 2nd. This will result in SoS finishing 3rd overall pushing BG to 4th.

You mean that TC plan to take the time off because you are there is no way you are winning vs JQ.

Isn’t this possible:

TC – 19
JQ – 17
BG – 17
SoS – 17

TC – 24
SoS – 22
JQ – 20
BG – 18

TC – 27
JQ – 25
BG – 23
SoS – 23

TC – 30
JQ – 30
SoS – 28
BG – 24

By letting SoS come in second one week, they could essentially tie 1st and put BG in 4th.

Distaste.4801:

I honestly look forward to JQ or TC trying to brag about the season win. If this was 2 tier 2 servers coming together to beat BG it would be an awesome accomplishment, but as it is it’s just pathetic.

I sincerely don’t think anyone will brag about the season win, regardless of who does – these WvW tournament “competitions” aren’t exactly brag worthy. However, I do think we’ll just all have a quiet sense of accomplishment that BG didn’t win.

Distaste.4801:

They certainly do care and that’s exactly why they are doing what they are doing. JQ couldn’t win alone, if they could they would have and the same goes for TC. So they band together on the guise of “we just don’t want BG to win” because it increases their chances of winning. In reality they wanted to win and this is their best chance at it. If they were truly anti-BG it would have been a 2v1 from the start, but it wasn’t because no one knew how the first match would turn out. Once it was obvious who would win it was suddenly “We hate blackgate because mumble mumble”. But keep trying to mask the servers true motives…

It doesn’t even really who wins. Whether it’s JQ or TC it will have an asterisk next to it just like JQ/SOR stamping “buygate” on BG’s win last season. I honestly look forward to JQ or TC trying to brag about the season win. If this was 2 tier 2 servers coming together to beat BG it would be an awesome accomplishment, but as it is it’s just pathetic.

Perfectly accurate summary of this season.

I’m fine as long as I get enough tickets for a Mistforge weapon at the end of the season (which is guaranteed considering all that requires is at least 5th place), though I still find it amusing seeing forum warriors from JQ/TC acting all nonchalant, when clearly the whole alliance was born after both servers realized neither could 1v1 BG, and therefore banding together was the best way to increase their own chances of winning. It was as much a product of hurt ego as the BG whiners on the forums. All three servers are equally sore.

JQ has not really had an ego since around the time Noodles left.

Should really stop trying to say who would win in a 1v1 between servers. Since this isn’t even remotely a possibility we will never know. It’s pure speculation. Even if it were possible we all know the arguments and QQing following would be “zerging doesn’t count because it takes no skill”, “X server has better coverage in that time, we would have won during X time zone”, “you got lucky” etc, always an excuse.

I’d happily let TC have the win if it meant BG were to eat crow from all their talk. I’d wrap first place up in a big pretty pink bow and give it to TC. Just the bitterness of defeat and tears of BG, along with a shiny weapon I’m getting anyways, will make it all worth it.

Also, last statement from the OP. If TC didn’t deserve to be in T1, they wouldn’t be there. They are there and they don’t have to prove anything. It’s not like they gave bags of kittens to Anet to get into T1 (If Anet takes kittens for bribes, I am sure I could manage a few bags if it meant better luck with precursor drops -wink wink nudge nudge-)

Everyday there’s two or three new threads about the Tier 1 NA matchup. BG still didn’t accept the loss in this season? Dear god. Most of BG are taking this like a man, but some guys will need to seek a psychiatric.

Perfectblue.6409:

DeadlySynz.3471:

BG had at least 7 guilds transfer to their server during the off season up to 3 weeks prior to Season 2 starting. I know this because I was there, 7 blackouts called to bring in 7 different guilds. I also know only 1 left.

The question is, how many more guilds joined BG the 3 weeks prior to Season 2 starting? Somehow I think more than 7 transferred there. I can tell you for sure that TC did not have 7 guilds transfer to them. I can’t speak for JQ but I’m pretty sure they did not have 7 guilds transfer to them either.

Before all the transferring went on who had the best coverage to begin with out of the 3? BG of course, did they need those (at least 7 guilds)? Not by a long shot.

You can spy all you want. Truth is, we have 2 new guilds which weren’t part of season 1, NV and SUPR. Both have like 1 pug commander each and 20 men guilds.

Yes BG does have the coverage. But BG has weaknesses, and in those times I know for sure TC and JQ has zergs

One day when you will be part of a winning server, I hope you wont have to share the egoism of your server mates!

play the game for fun! don’t take it too personal
cheers!

Nope not spying. Story is, I was originally from TC, then I took a 2 month break. During that time my guild transferred to BG. Once I came back, I ho-hummed about moving to BG. Season 1 came and I finally decided to move to BG about 2 weeks into Season 1. I stayed in BG until about 3 weeks prior to Season 2 starting.

After Season 1 ended, 1 guild left, but subsequently, 7 more joined because there was 7 blackouts in the off season while I was there. Now the question is, how many more guilds joined in the final 3 weeks before Season 2 started.

Say what you want, but I know at least 7 guilds joined BG in the off season, and that’s a lot more than TC had, and I’m guessing more than JQ had as well

“Winning” has nothing to do with this “tournament”. It’s just war as usual, with too much whining from those who thought that they can become “winners” (not just from BG, every server has their cry babies, and they always find something to complain about: why we are being 2v1 or why “we” 2v1?). When we will have a competition that gives fairly equal chances to all, then we can talk about winners; until then we can have only losers.

And Anet, please no more such “competition”. Not until you
1. unite all EU and US servers into a three WvW realm system,
2. work out the details of rewarding loyalty to realm (like +10% or more health for being longer than 6 month in a world, and -20% less health for newly transferred, and so on)
3. redesign PPT gain around holding objectives, not taking and abandoning them
4. redesign classes around WvW game mode
5. implement a guild focused grouping system, up to 50 players with leader and sub-commanders
6. build WvW realm system around guild alliances and give meaningful bonuses to the guilds who contribute the most, (like flags and cloaks with special effects for the leading guilds and so on)

… yes, GW3 or a WvW expansion is needed for that

Kudos to all who still endured WvW as it is and thanks for the quality opposition, the good fights from those who did well in the past months (1year+ since WvW started). We cannot do more for now, just serve the interests of our worlds. Much respect for those who can act with dignity, in victory or defeat, and everything in-between.

lemora.1304:

And there you have it Anet. JQ and TC outright admitting to match manipulation in your failure of a tournament. Are you still going to sit here and pretend that this is “really cool gameplay” then lock the threads again?

mass buying of guilds via blackouts onto a full server wouldn’t count?

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