Guild Wars 2

So I took a break a bit after the big server merge in WvW. I come back and the numbers look worse than before the merge?! WvW seems beyond pointless right now. Where did everyone go? on CD btw.

Dead game is dead.

WvW, with 0 attention from ANet, was always pointless. However, with YB and SBI in the same tier, there are tons of good guilds to scrim and hella good fights to be had. Enjoy it before relinkings mess things up again.

HoT happend. That’s all i can say to answer your question.

Everyone bandwagoned from lower teirs to higher up because 500 gems is cheap

Really? I play pretty much every day for several hours at a time and I see massive numbers of players still playing in PvE and WvW.

Offair.2563:

HoT happened

And then they proved it wasn’t a temporary mistake.
Amazing really, company called arena. Games name a synonym of team fighting……. Spends the bulk of it’s resources churning out PvE maps <,<

I can’t understand all the QQ’g and crying and whining about HoT. I LOVE the HoT specialization lines. They made our characters awesome. Any kind of character improvement is welcome to me. And all I see here are people crying about take HoT away it’s too OP, it’s too strong.

Anet, HoT is awesome and LEAVE IT ALONE!

It’s an mmo, they age, players get bored, etc. The game is 4.5 years old, decent run.

A larger problem is the lack of attention wvw has gotten over the years. People got tired of waiting on anets promises so they moved on. HoT came along and the skill balance was out of control, still is in lots of certain aspects and destroyed build diversity.

WvW is gank city: therefore your roamer community declines.
Boon/condi meta has taken over: therefore your zerg/havoc community declines.
Numbers game: Larger force wins, the brave guilds got frustrated, guilds fall.

You are seeing first hand the decline of an mmo. Relinkings of servers because they are so dead, declining quarterly financial reports, devs getting their experience and moving onto other jobs, popular pvpers like Helseth moving on, and among other examples.

Loved the game, but the player experience is at an all time low in wvw. It’s quite sad to witness as a day one player in wvw when the game mode was so vibrant and active

I have no issues finding “numbers” in game unless they are really off hours and in fact prefer it this way. I am not a fan of the big blobs which slow everything to a crawl and which tend to be fights where one just spams aoe and pushes on the other.

Even on the lower tier server I am on , we get queues for EBG. The time of day is important as the biggest difference between populations is the amount of after hours coverage.

Electra.7530:

I can’t understand all the QQ’g and crying and whining about HoT. I LOVE the HoT specialization lines. They made our characters awesome. Any kind of character improvement is welcome to me. And all I see here are people crying about take HoT away it’s too OP, it’s too strong.

The issue isn’t that HoT builds are fun to play and great but that HoT trait lines are near mandatory for most classes in order to compete. Prior to HoT and the trait line simplification, there were more build variations and more trait line options. Most aren’t complaining about HoT OP they are complaining that non-HoT is mostly noncompetitive.

Electra.7530:

I can’t understand all the QQ’g and crying and whining about HoT. I LOVE the HoT specialization lines. They made our characters awesome. Any kind of character improvement is welcome to me. And all I see here are people crying about take HoT away it’s too OP, it’s too strong.

Anet, HoT is awesome and LEAVE IT ALONE!

If you like to faceroll your keyboard, then HoT is for you and that’s mostly the players that are left, those who play the cheesiest builds ever and cry if they lose as that’s IMPOSSIBLE. That’s what HoT brought – a boring mindless game.

Namer.9750:

WvW, with 0 attention from ANet, was always pointless. However, with YB and SBI in the same tier, there are tons of good guilds to scrim and hella good fights to be had. Enjoy it before relinkings mess things up again.

Actually Anet gave atention to WvW, for what they belive WvW should be, the problem is that the issue that lies in wvw is so core deep that they cant do nothing to fix it, and/or they believe these core issues are a good thing.

it’s the week before links. everyone is chilling and tanking.

too late to tank for links

PyrateSilly.4710:

Really? I play pretty much every day for several hours at a time and I see massive numbers of players still playing in PvE and WvW.

Ahhh take a moment if you will, relax, and close your eyes. Now imagine the sky being a beautiful sky blue, with the fluffy clouds being fluffy white like marshmallows, and passing by in great numbers, and the sun shining like a sun shines.

Then you look down into wvw and see what it was four years ago with twenty plus full status servers, with almost all servers complaining about people not being able to get into maps and long queues.

Now jump ahead three years before the game life changing expansion is delivered and many of those servers have lost a great amount of players, with only three of them able to carry full status tags.

Nonchalantly skip ahead six months after the expansion was delivered, and the population dropped so much that they had to fold over half the servers down to twelve servers, to bring the population back to what it was just before the expansion was delivered.

Massive amount of players? sure of course nothing would look dead much if you play in the prime time of your server where zergs are abound everywhere. Sure as hell isn’t at the levels it was at even from when they did the links.

Also, pve zones has megaservers of course it’s going to look full all the time, that was the point of it.

Xenesis.6389:

PyrateSilly.4710:

Really? I play pretty much every day for several hours at a time and I see massive numbers of players still playing in PvE and WvW.

Ahhh take a moment if you will, relax, and close your eyes. Now imagine the sky being a beautiful sky blue, with the fluffy clouds being fluffy white like marshmallows, and passing by in great numbers, and the sun shining like a sun shines.

Then you look down into wvw and see what it was four years ago with twenty plus full status servers, with almost all servers complaining about people not being able to get into maps and long queues.

Now jump ahead three years before the game life changing expansion is delivered and many of those servers have lost a great amount of players, with only three of them able to carry full status tags.

Nonchalantly skip ahead six months after the expansion was delivered, and the population dropped so much that they had to fold over half the servers down to twelve servers, to bring the population back to what it was just before the expansion was delivered.

Massive amount of players? sure of course nothing would look dead much if you play in the prime time of your server where zergs are abound everywhere. Sure as hell isn’t at the levels it was at even from when they did the links.

Also, pve zones has megaservers of course it’s going to look full all the time, that was the point of it.

That was written quite beautiful lol

Silverstone.4539:

So I took a break a bit after the big server merge in WvW. I come back and the numbers look worse than before the merge?! WvW seems beyond pointless right now. Where did everyone go? on CD btw.

Just a continuation of the HOT trend, especially linking has been not what was promised and not an answer.

Anet payed a bit of attention to WvW and it didn’t go very well, so people started losing hope faster than normal. Then Anet backed off and renigged on some promises and even more people lost hope. Add to that that the people who have stuck around this long tend to be the folks that like what’s sort of working rather than what’s healthy and there’s no quick or painless path to a better game.

Silverstone.4539:

So I took a break a bit after the big server merge in WvW. I come back and the numbers look worse than before the merge?! WvW seems beyond pointless right now. Where did everyone go? on CD btw.

What timezone are you referring to? CD was doing well last week with queue on weekend during SEA time.

Straegen.2938:

Electra.7530:

I can’t understand all the QQ’g and crying and whining about HoT. I LOVE the HoT specialization lines. They made our characters awesome. Any kind of character improvement is welcome to me. And all I see here are people crying about take HoT away it’s too OP, it’s too strong.

The issue isn’t that HoT builds are fun to play and great but that HoT trait lines are near mandatory for most classes in order to compete. Prior to HoT and the trait line simplification, there were more build variations and more trait line options. Most aren’t complaining about HoT OP they are complaining that non-HoT is mostly noncompetitive.

Most are complaining the design of the HoT specs just isn’t fun to play as or against, and because they’re so strong it’s all that’s usable to have a good chance at winning.

They’re stronger, but there’s no point in playing a game if it’s no longer fun. That’s the big issue, and even the pro players have largely all come out with the same criticism of sPvP directly regarding the elite specs.

WvW only seems to be more active for those who were on low-tier servers prior to HoT. It wasn’t uncommon to have 100-man queues on the weekends all the way through T3 before its launch. A bulk majority of servers even with the links can’t muster that many players in general for reset. The population is way down, and it’s because of profession design.

DeceiverX.8361:

Straegen.2938:

Electra.7530:

I can’t understand all the QQ’g and crying and whining about HoT. I LOVE the HoT specialization lines. They made our characters awesome. Any kind of character improvement is welcome to me. And all I see here are people crying about take HoT away it’s too OP, it’s too strong.

The issue isn’t that HoT builds are fun to play and great but that HoT trait lines are near mandatory for most classes in order to compete. Prior to HoT and the trait line simplification, there were more build variations and more trait line options. Most aren’t complaining about HoT OP they are complaining that non-HoT is mostly noncompetitive.

WvW only seems to be more active for those who were on low-tier servers prior to HoT. It wasn’t uncommon to have 100-man queues on the weekends all the way through T3 before its launch. A bulk majority of servers even with the links can’t muster that many players in general for reset. The population is way down, and it’s because of profession design.

Just to say, I came from a small server and most people from that server do a lot less WvW than before because it’s so much more active. They aren’t used to map blobs karma training their stuff, the skill lag and bank squads, the linking ruined it for them because it increased activity way too much.

A simple and hard nerf of every elite trait line would have fixed WvW, that and getting a handle on boon spam, share, resistance and the number of conditions being vomitted around.

As you say, elite specs aren’t fun to play against nor play as for anyone who likes to think they’re skilled.

Elite specs are not fun but give credit to the desert map too please. Wrecks the match for float zergs looking to chase down fights. And just in general unless you crave low activity PvD.

even though there is no wvw season, all the tier 1 servers a few weeks ago had links.

Mag/Bg/ had links and TC and a few others did not.

This lead to massive server stacking (transfers) to those servers leaving many of the other servers empty.

TC lost hundreds of players and was locked for months, while BG Mag and the other servers were OPEN for months at a time allowing the server stacking to continue.

Meanwhile.. the scoring was changed from 2 1 1 to 5 4 3 so that any server in tier 1 has an un-naturally high chance of staying there from artificially inflated glicko scoring.

The game is not dead… its just broken because of bad decisions on the WvW devs parts.

Right now as it stands, wvw is empty because reset is tonight and with the new scoring system no one has a chance to make a comeback past Tuesday night or maybe late Wednesday.

Oh and the server merge was voted down by players.. so it never happened. In its place we got server stacking and linking and a glicko war score that cant be overcome mid week making wvw almost not worth playing unless you are winning or the scores are very close and maintained.

trueanimus.4085:

even though there is no wvw season, all the tier 1 servers a few weeks ago had links.

Mag/Bg/ had links and TC and a few others did not.

Dude if you’re going to constantly cry about who’s open and links at least get your facts straight.

BG hasn’t had a link since like the first link ups more than 6 months ago. TC lost their link in oct but were still good enough to compete in t1 and t2, in fact clubbering t2 a couple times before starting to lose guilds over the past few months. Mag had their link in oct when they were still bouncing t1 and t2, they lost it 7 weeks ago in the last re-links.

TC was probably locked because of their roleplaying fairweathers, there was no conspiracy to dump your server into t1, 5% to roll t1 is not 0% just kitten unlucky. TC is open this week which was predicatable given the system takes some time to compare data on wvw population activity.

babazhook.6805:

I have no issues finding “numbers” in game unless they are really off hours and in fact prefer it this way. I am not a fan of the big blobs which slow everything to a crawl and which tend to be fights where one just spams aoe and pushes on the other.

Even on the lower tier server I am on , we get queues for EBG. The time of day is important as the biggest difference between populations is the amount of after hours coverage.

As usual if you don’t find a problem, its likely you’re the problem. People bandwagon to other servers too easily and without consequence, so winning servers just snowball.
And since HoT when people started quitting WvW until now, the few people that played WvW just bandwagoned into a couple servers and thats it. It was also a issue pre-HoT, Seafarers was full of bandwagoner guilds (i know because i was there before, during and after it was the top server). Until they change the way players are distributed into WvW then WvW will never be playable.

ReaverKane.7598:

babazhook.6805:

I have no issues finding “numbers” in game unless they are really off hours and in fact prefer it this way. I am not a fan of the big blobs which slow everything to a crawl and which tend to be fights where one just spams aoe and pushes on the other.

Even on the lower tier server I am on , we get queues for EBG. The time of day is important as the biggest difference between populations is the amount of after hours coverage.

As usual if you don’t find a problem, its likely you’re the problem. People bandwagon to other servers too easily and without consequence, so winning servers just snowball.
And since HoT when people started quitting WvW until now, the few people that played WvW just bandwagoned into a couple servers and thats it. It was also a issue pre-HoT, Seafarers was full of bandwagoner guilds (i know because i was there before, during and after it was the top server). Until they change the way players are distributed into WvW then WvW will never be playable.

It’s not bandwagoning anymore, I think it’s more of a migration.

The Meta is just no more fun to play in GW2, no reasons to play, no tournament, the game no longer works on Mac either, ESO has fixed their stuff and Ow will satisfy most players competitive needs.

Therefore WvW is just continuously losing people.

sephiroth.4217:

ReaverKane.7598:

babazhook.6805:

I have no issues finding “numbers” in game unless they are really off hours and in fact prefer it this way. I am not a fan of the big blobs which slow everything to a crawl and which tend to be fights where one just spams aoe and pushes on the other.

Even on the lower tier server I am on , we get queues for EBG. The time of day is important as the biggest difference between populations is the amount of after hours coverage.

As usual if you don’t find a problem, its likely you’re the problem. People bandwagon to other servers too easily and without consequence, so winning servers just snowball.
And since HoT when people started quitting WvW until now, the few people that played WvW just bandwagoned into a couple servers and thats it. It was also a issue pre-HoT, Seafarers was full of bandwagoner guilds (i know because i was there before, during and after it was the top server). Until they change the way players are distributed into WvW then WvW will never be playable.

It’s not bandwagoning anymore, I think it’s more of a migration.

People been telling themselves that since the first time their guild lead said, we’re moving for more fights.