Guild Wars 2

You DO realise that if anet bans everyone who has exploited the supercharge golem bug,a massive chunk of people will be gone. Like a LOT of people. Whole guilds have been seen using this exploit. It is Anet’s fault that this hasn’t been fixed yet. Banning all of the exploiters would be ten times more stupid then leaving the bug alone, and that’s REALLY stupid. So I’m just saying, whining about people not getting banned isnt going to do anything because I very much doubt Anet would have the balls and stupidity to ban hundreds of people. Another thing is that many people probably have it by accident. If you can be supercharged by doing ANYTHING involving a golem, a lot of people probably don’t know that they have it, or they aren’t doing anything with this power, so you’ll ban the innocent people and the people who have used the exploit but haven’t used it because they don’t want to? How would this work?

I agree that people running around with 100% damage boosts is a bit ludicrous, but let’s be honest, trying to get such a large sum of people banned is like trying to profit off of the mystic toilet. It just doesn’t make sense.

P.S. I am NOT defending these people, nor am I one of these people, heck I can’t even use my computer right now. I think it is despicable that people are abusing this, but I find it even more despicable that nothing has been fixed about this.

I also don’t like banning in general, a lot of these people are probably just following what everyone else is doing. They don’t ALL have bad intentions. Though it would be kinda funny if they all get banned right after I post this thread.

You know how this happens. A decent player is killed by golem bug. She reports. Again she or her zerg is killed. She reports again. This goes on until the decent player realizes the truth: Anet does not care about her. Anet does not give a rats bottom about her. She is alone. She has three choices; leaving wvw (or entire game), continue her resistance and devising strategies, or join the abusers. Because there is no punishment, and those who abuse it are gaining too much unjust goodies. If you are too much of an egoist like me, you would say “I would never stain my character with that bug.”
but if you love this game more than me, trust more than I do, then your love turns to bitter anger. And you start to abuse. Although I do not agree with you, I totaly understand you friends.

Timiok.1048:

You DO realise that if anet bans everyone who has exploited the supercharge golem bug,a massive chunk of people will be gone.

Banning != Permanently Banning

Severity of the punishment != Effect of punishment

IMO messaging players that using exploits is not ok would reduce using exploits in future. There is research about this in legislative use, but also in games. Some material about this from GDC 2015:

Slides: http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1021800/Anti-Social-Behavior-in-Games
Video: http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1021799/Anti-Social-Behavior-in-Games (~14:30 )

BTW: ANet should be aware of this since they were talking about their AI in that conference and most of the materials are free to watch later.

I dont think some people even know they have the bug. I would chill out the event ends on friday.

I would rather have the WvW population significantly reduced (even if it’s dead) with exploiters banned than to keep it active with people who don’t deserve to still have their account

Radian.2478:

I would rather have the WvW population significantly reduced (even if it’s dead) with exploiters banned than to keep it active with people who don’t deserve to still have their account

You need to stop inadvertently justifying the fact that Anet has ignored this Bug. Those players would not be abusing the buff if Anet would fix it, it’s not like people haven’t been complaining about it since the day the event went live. You would also need to distinguish between those doing it intentionally and those people who are getting the buff inadvertently. Good luck with that.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Perm-bans-for-snowflake-exploit-kinda-harsh

I’ll leave this here…

I very much doubt there will be bans with the Golem exploit, simply because it only ruins the fun of the game and not the economy of the game. That is, there isn’t a long lasting effect on the game when people use this exploit the way there was with the snowflake mass ban. But I could be wrong. The thing is it is at their sole discretion. I sure wouldn’t be taking chances with it and I don’t believe anyone who values their account should take part in this exploit.

Random.4691:

Radian.2478:

I would rather have the WvW population significantly reduced (even if it’s dead) with exploiters banned than to keep it active with people who don’t deserve to still have their account

You need to stop inadvertently justifying the fact that Anet has ignored this Bug. Those players would not be abusing the buff if Anet would fix it, it’s not like people haven’t been complaining about it since the day the event went live. You would also need to distinguish between those doing it intentionally and those people who are getting the buff inadvertently. Good luck with that.

Well, there are guilds posting videos of them running with buff killing zergs, people talking in chat how to get it and so on. Finding out who is using it intentionally is ANet’s job, like is fixing the exploit. While it can be hard it’s not really our problem how they handle it as long as they handle it. While they don’t…

@Timiok.1048, for sure Anet wont ban them, max they would make would be a timed ban (temporary one), all we can expect is the reported glitches that can be abused get fixed.

so it is now official anet don’t care about the bug and we can freely use it ?

Aeolus.3615:

@Timiok.1048, for sure Anet wont ban them, max they would make would be a timed ban (temporary one), all we can expect is the reported glitches that can be abused get fixed.

I guess that would be remotely appropriate, I’m primarily worried for those who aren’t aware of such a buff. It is extremely easy to get supercharged without trying. How long are the bans on average? Whenever I heard about bans it was always heavily implied that the bans were always perma bans.

azizul.8469:

so it is now official anet don’t care about the bug and we can freely use it ?

No, and to be safe I’d not use it. Also it is still kinda despicable to be using it, this doesn’t benefit the game at all, and lowers people’s opinion over the game.

Aye.8392:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Perm-bans-for-snowflake-exploit-kinda-harsh

I’ll leave this here…

I very much doubt there will be bans with the Golem exploit, simply because it only ruins the fun of the game and not the economy of the game. That is, there isn’t a long lasting effect on the game when people use this exploit the way there was with the snowflake mass ban. But I could be wrong. The thing is it is at their sole discretion. I sure wouldn’t be taking chances with it and I don’t believe anyone who values their account should take part in this exploit.

Do we have an approximation to how many people were banned? Like you, I doubt they would ban this many. Though that is interesting.

Anet should remove exploiters gear, gold and all items in bags and bank.

From reading about the bans and such lately, it seem that they ban the exploiter of the past for doing it to often. once or twice was ok, cause you might not been knowing it, or catching it, but doing it, over and over that you have to known it, that where you get in trouble.

While i not seen this golem bug, is it easy to tell your effected by it, like are there signs?

Timiok.1048:

Aye.8392:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Perm-bans-for-snowflake-exploit-kinda-harsh

I’ll leave this here…

I very much doubt there will be bans with the Golem exploit, simply because it only ruins the fun of the game and not the economy of the game. That is, there isn’t a long lasting effect on the game when people use this exploit the way there was with the snowflake mass ban. But I could be wrong. The thing is it is at their sole discretion. I sure wouldn’t be taking chances with it and I don’t believe anyone who values their account should take part in this exploit.

Do we have an approximation to how many people were banned? Like you, I doubt they would ban this many. Though that is interesting.

I certainly don’t know how many were banned, but I heard reports that it was in the hundreds. The outcry on the forums from people who lost guild leaders, guild mates, main accounts, and such was fairly extreme. My guess is that it was significantly more than the number that would be banned because of the golem exploit simply because a whole heckuva lot more people are concerned with making money than with playing WvW. But the snowflake exploit had a lasting impact on the economy of the game that affected every active player at the time. It wasn’t about cheaters, it was about cheaters destroying the economy.

Lol at people freaking out coz they tried the exploit and now somehow think that Anet will ban them ^^

Aye.8392:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Perm-bans-for-snowflake-exploit-kinda-harsh

I’ll leave this here…

I very much doubt there will be bans with the Golem exploit, simply because it only ruins the fun of the game and not the economy of the game. That is, there isn’t a long lasting effect on the game when people use this exploit the way there was with the snowflake mass ban. But I could be wrong. The thing is it is at their sole discretion. I sure wouldn’t be taking chances with it and I don’t believe anyone who values their account should take part in this exploit.

This effected the economy, golem buff does not.

TJgalon.5012:

From reading about the bans and such lately, it seem that they ban the exploiter of the past for doing it to often. once or twice was ok, cause you might not been knowing it, or catching it, but doing it, over and over that you have to known it, that where you get in trouble.

While i not seen this golem bug, is it easy to tell your effected by it, like are there signs?

They’ll have a buff that looks like a plug while outside of a golem. Everyone can see it, friend or foe. It’s easy to miss it, even on yourself. I got it in EoTM and I have no idea how long I had been running with it. But you can clear it by either exiting WvW or getting in and out of a golem.

Maybe they should be suspended for a week instead of banning? Maybe if they can’t play wvw for a full week they will not abuse the next new exploit that will probably come along.

Side note: I’ve yet to see someone personally use it from my server. Heard a few talk about it but haven’t seen it used. Haven’t ran into anyone using it as well. So why you think the wvw population will drop tremendously I will say it won’t since I haven’t seen anyone do it personally. Some are making it seem everyone under the sun is doing it which is not the case.

Still an exploit is an exploit and it ruins the fun for people who are legit. If nothing is done its just like saying exploiting is ok. So I’d be happy to see everyone that got caught using it get suspended for some time..

I think banning is a waste of time at this point. It’s pretty widespread in NA T2 in my opinion anyway. When guild groups are scrimming each other with the buff, I feel it is rampant.

It all ends Friday. Just let it go.

just because everyone is doing it does not make it right, they made to choice to exploit a bug and continue to exploit it to the point of breaking the game-mode….Ban the Crap out of every single exploiter for a week. and if they don’t like it, then go play another game; we don’t need your kind here.

Zepher.7803:

just because everyone is doing it does not make it right, they made to choice to exploit a bug and continue to exploit it to the point of breaking the game-mode….Ban the Crap out of every single exploiter for a week. and if they don’t like it, then go play another game; we don’t need your kind here.

some sigil also give 2 side efects while only one is described, does that means every one that use that sigil must be temporary banned?

(sidenote) i didtn played wvw this week but banning from “lack of support” it is not a good marketing either, it migh be arsh callit this way but when glitches that can be abused have been known for quite some time and are not fixed if they dont become popularized, this golem feature is not new so i hope something good is made out of a bad week.

Zepher.7803:

just because everyone is doing it does not make it right, they made to choice to exploit a bug and continue to exploit it to the point of breaking the game-mode….Ban the Crap out of every single exploiter for a week. and if they don’t like it, then go play another game; we don’t need your kind here.

Wouldn’t bother me if ANET does that. Been doing the bare minimum to get my dailies in wvw and doing Season 2 and Silverwastes. No one in my guild is doing it. Most are not logging in or doing sPvP.

I just don’t see the point in popping a blood vessel if ANET chooses not to act.

Yes a ban IS the solution.
definitely ban these people.
Perma ban.

I find it comical that this exploit is allowed to exist, yet name any other one in recent memory (Symbolic Avenger, Grenadier, etc..) and those were taken care of in less than 3 days.

TexZero.7910:

I find it comical that this exploit is allowed to exist, yet name any other one in recent memory (Symbolic Avenger, Grenadier, etc..) and those were taken care of in less than 3 days.

Maybe they fired the guy who coded the buff and he didn’t tell them how to turn it off….

Well, they created this EVENT with this problem, which causes people to be able to use an exploit, and therefore it follows that if they ban people, they’re doing two wrongs.

Rather than reverting/retracting the dumb, poorly executed event, and also removing the bug, they’re allowing it to remain.

SinisterSeven.2781:

Well, they created this EVENT with this problem, which causes people to be able to use an exploit, and therefore it follows that if they ban people, they’re doing two wrongs.

Rather than reverting/retracting the dumb, poorly executed event, and also removing the bug, they’re allowing it to remain.

Your logic is flawed.

Chobits.2430:

SinisterSeven.2781:

Well, they created this EVENT with this problem, which causes people to be able to use an exploit, and therefore it follows that if they ban people, they’re doing two wrongs.

Rather than reverting/retracting the dumb, poorly executed event, and also removing the bug, they’re allowing it to remain.

Your logic is flawed.

Must be staff lol

Gotta love all these cheaters trying to save their kitten on the forums, lol. Don’t worry, Anet probably won’t ban you guys, since not even hackers are banned. Keep ruining the game for everyone boys!

I’d rather not have scum in my game. Ban them forever.

I think it’d be pretty funny to see all/most of NME banned lol.

I was running EotM yesterday with few guildies and didn’t see the buff on anyone. Is this problem more widespread on US servers than in EU?

Davey.7029:

Gotta love all these cheaters trying to save their kitten on the forums, lol. Don’t worry, Anet probably won’t ban you guys, since not even hackers are banned. Keep ruining the game for everyone boys!

I’m not trying to justify their actions, they are doing despicable things. However banning them will have a bad outcome and it financially doesn’t make any sense. If it is true that Anet care more about money than players then they won’t ban the exploiters because when an expansion is coming out, why would you exile the people who can get you money?
And think of it this way. What if you got the buff from just going into a golem? That means you got would be banned too no? So many people are unaware of this bug, so you are going to ban the innocent ones too? Why you ban people that lack bad intentions and people who just were oblivious? Saying “Its their fault for not paying attention by NO EXTENT should warrant a ban of any kind.”
This is much different than the winters day exploit because:
1. It had a large impact on the economy
2. You had to know what the bug was in order to exploit it.
3. People gained large amounts of money without much effort..
Much like someone else said, this just ruins the fun of the players.
And I am not trying to save myself from being banned since I’ve been away from my computer for way over a month, so I haven’t expierenced or exploited this.

Last night I witnessed a couple of guilds running this buff outside golems. Sadly our little Zerg was just k-training and all was good till someone mentioned my name calling for a report and I was totally confused until I looked at the list of buffs on me and somehow that stupid golem buff was present on me despite me not even being in a golem or knowing about it at all. I immediately asked how to get rid of it and luckily someone told me to get in a golem and it went away but jeeze, people are so fast to judge by insta-reporting me? I wasn’t even aware or had no ill intention of exploiting it. Very confusing and unfortunate, I hope I’m not the only one who’s been in a similar situation.

Banning is too much, but they should take all the playtime that the buff has been applied to each player abusing the exploit, and for that duration put an anti-buff when the event is over (something like “Cheater’s Debuff: all incoming damage to you is increased 100%”)

Skeletor.9360:

Yes a ban IS the solution.
definitely ban these people.
Perma ban.

I agree.
if there taken advantage doing this,what not to say there cheating by other means as well.
They have no morals so it seems.

How many people realize that the golem thing is temporary and that it ends tomorrow?
If this was permanent, then it would certainly be an issue, and one that would have been resolved on day 2 at the latest. The reason they haven’t done anything is that it’s a temporary event that, as pointed out, doesn’t effect the economy. Why spend the time, energy, and resources, taking away from HoT, to fix a bug that is going away tomorrow?

They aren’t going to ban anyone for it just like they didn’t ban any Guardians for abusing the Symbolic Avenger bug or the Engineers that one shotted everyone with Grenade Barrage before they fixed those lol..

If you paid any attention, you’d know this. Just do what the majority is doing, don’t play the game until this idiotic event is over.

I would humbly request that you don’t ban Dull Egotistical Raiding Party [DERP] on Maguuma. They are my close friends, and I love them very very much. I can promise you that my guild does not cheat or hacks. We live by a strict Code of Honor, much like the Samurai of old Japan.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I would humbly request that you don’t ban Dull Egotistical Raiding Party [DERP] on Maguuma. They are my close friends, and I love them very very much. I can promise you that my guild does not cheat or hacks. We live by a strict Code of Honor, much like the Samurai of old Japan.

So why are you posting here?

Julenal.3907:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I would humbly request that you don’t ban Dull Egotistical Raiding Party [DERP] on Maguuma. They are my close friends, and I love them very very much. I can promise you that my guild does not cheat or hacks. We live by a strict Code of Honor, much like the Samurai of old Japan.

So why are you posting here?

Because I’m in agreement with the thread title “Banning is NOT the solution”. Far too many times, other players have attacked my guild publicly. Even when they were on TC for a short time. If I remember correctly, a Dev needed to respond to all the posts about us, confirming my guild wasn’t trolling. They even had to delete threads that tried to blacklist us. I thank Anet for that vindication.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Julenal.3907:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I would humbly request that you don’t ban Dull Egotistical Raiding Party [DERP] on Maguuma. They are my close friends, and I love them very very much. I can promise you that my guild does not cheat or hacks. We live by a strict Code of Honor, much like the Samurai of old Japan.

So why are you posting here?

Because I’m in agreement with the thread title “Banning is NOT the solution”. Far too many times, other players have attacked my guild publicly. Even when they were on TC for a short time. If I remember correctly, a Dev needed to respond to all the posts about us, confirming my guild wasn’t trolling. They even had to delete threads that tried to blacklist us. I thank Anet for that vindication.

So you suspect that there might be epic banhammer hitting your guild? For following your “strict Code of Honor”? I’m puzzled…

Julenal.3907:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Julenal.3907:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I would humbly request that you don’t ban Dull Egotistical Raiding Party [DERP] on Maguuma. They are my close friends, and I love them very very much. I can promise you that my guild does not cheat or hacks. We live by a strict Code of Honor, much like the Samurai of old Japan.

So why are you posting here?

Because I’m in agreement with the thread title “Banning is NOT the solution”. Far too many times, other players have attacked my guild publicly. Even when they were on TC for a short time. If I remember correctly, a Dev needed to respond to all the posts about us, confirming my guild wasn’t trolling. They even had to delete threads that tried to blacklist us. I thank Anet for that vindication.

So you suspect that there might be epic banhammer hitting your guild? For following your “strict Code of Honor”? I’m puzzled…

I’m puzzled too as to why people hate us so much. Not sure if it’s due to envy or jealously.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Not sure if it’s due to envy or jealously.

When in doubt, it’s always jealously.

… you sly uh, fellow.

Jayne.9251:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Not sure if it’s due to envy or jealously.

When in doubt, it’s always jealously.

… you sly uh, fellow.

I had one of the AARM leaders blame us for the collapse of TC one nite. Claims to have video evidence that he threatened to submit to Anet.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Jayne.9251:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Not sure if it’s due to envy or jealously.

When in doubt, it’s always jealously.

… you sly uh, fellow.

I had one of the AARM leaders blame us for the collapse of TC one nite. Claims to have video evidence that he threatened to submit to Anet.

Ah, I was actually being this with my post.

Timiok.1048:

You DO realise that if anet bans everyone who has exploited the supercharge golem bug,a massive chunk of people will be gone. Like a LOT of people. Whole guilds have been seen using this exploit. It is Anet’s fault that this hasn’t been fixed yet. Banning all of the exploiters would be ten times more stupid then leaving the bug alone, and that’s REALLY stupid.

Warn them earlier then suspend them if they continue. This is what BW did in swtor. They didn’t ban players and the situation got ridiculous with some exploits so BW started issuing warnings, then when players continued gave them suspensions and finally started handing out bans. And it has worked.

The problem with the golem bug is it can be acquired by simply killing a golem. Now I don’t foresee how they can possibly ban players for killing golems.