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Posted by: Shirou.4098

Shirou.4098

Being a commander needs serious action from Anet, i am a commander and i get countless verbal abuse and insults from players who says the following.
1.) “Seriously wasted 100Gold on a blue marker on your head”
2.) “Rich kitten”
3.) “Why waste 100Gold on that?”
Just from the above people think you wasted 100Gold on the commander book and disrespect each commander.
I am a guild leader from a 1000 member guild ( 2x 500 Members ) Which is a South African guild, and all the members donated towards the book for me being commander so we can have better WvW and PvE Events.
This wispers and /map chat is getting out hand and in WvW people just immediatly think you rich and bought the book for the looks.
So cut to the point… Commander basicly now stands for being rich and have 100Gold to waste, brings no respect from anyone.

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Posted by: Deboog.1847

Deboog.1847

This is a problem with the community. Not with the commander book. The commander book forces you to either be: A) dedicated to leading in WvW, or B ) have a giant guild backing you. Both are great qualifications for leading in WvW. If people think you are just being a rich show off, that’s fine. The block function exists for a reason.

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Posted by: Shirou.4098

Shirou.4098

This is a problem with the community. Not with the commander book. The commander book forces you to either be: A) dedicated to leading in WvW, or B ) have a giant guild backing you. Both are great qualifications for leading in WvW. If people think you are just being a rich show off, that’s fine. The block function exists for a reason.

I do for sure have my guild backing me, but i realy don’t want people to think by just being commander is being a rich person with no life, it needs some respect or some way it can be earned on a better way where people will respect it more and not just think you wasted 100 Gold or by being rich.

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Posted by: Raffie.7865

Raffie.7865

I would LOL at them.
Its your gold, spend it how you like.
Feel free to use the /ignore <insert players name> as you see fit.

Don’t let it get to you.
Its olny a game.

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Posted by: Lohengrin.8573

Lohengrin.8573

big guilds: commander fast

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Posted by: Shirou.4098

Shirou.4098

Would have been realy nice if we had like the 100 Gold needed and people need to vote for you somehow, i think then it will gain more respect.

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Posted by: Rodarin.6058

Rodarin.6058

Some commander might be deserving, but not having a commander title doesnt mean you cant lead or know what youre doing. Having the commander icon surely doesnt make you worthy.

The only thing that icon is good for is to get Pugs and followers to zerg up on you, thats about it.

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Posted by: addexfoe.9364

addexfoe.9364

Welcome the internet? :-P

No, more seriously, I agree with you that there’s something wrong with the whole commander mechanic right now. In fact, I thought it was totally bonkers that barring the 100 gold commander book, you can’t make a group larger than 5. Allowing anyone to start a “warband,” as they were called in Warhammer, is extremely critical to making open pvp successful and relatively casual.

It’s not even funny how much of a better experience PUG-ing in WvW would be with larger groups by default. We could call them Krewes, and have the cap at 15-30 people.

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Posted by: Shintai.5618

Shintai.5618

I fear when people buy the book for fun. But right now I dont consider commanders rich kids.

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Posted by: Shirou.4098

Shirou.4098

I fear when people buy the book for fun. But right now I dont consider commanders rich kids.

Currently on Aurora Glade, people think you bought the book for fun or you just rich who bought it with gems.

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Posted by: Thrumdi.9216

Thrumdi.9216

The problem is, on my server at least, the first people to get the SC absolutely sucked. It was obvious they played very little WvW, and only got the book through PvE. This lead to constant, justified criticism in team chat.

Unfortunately, this seems to have poisoned the well to a certain extent, which is what you have encountered.

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Posted by: Zenyatoo.4059

Zenyatoo.4059

Dont pop commander outside of WvWvW.
And if they’re inside WvWvW then just ignore them. Bads gonna be bads.

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Posted by: Shirou.4098

Shirou.4098

The problem is, on my server at least, the first people to get the SC absolutely sucked. It was obvious they played very little WvW, and only got the book through PvE. This lead to constant, justified criticism in team chat.

Unfortunately, this seems to have poisoned the well to a certain extent, which is what you have encountered.

Yea seems like it as well, that is why we need something to be done from Anet so people can respect commanders more in a way, you can only ignore so many people before you just wanna quit the game from all the hate.

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Posted by: gloombot.3519

gloombot.3519

Honestly, if you can’t handle that kind of criticism I think you may have trouble leading successfully in PVP. People are going to insult and rage on you WAY harder than that, daily. You simply block those people and don’t invite them to your raid party for being jerks.

But you need to probably buck up a bit and develop some thicker skin, what are you wanting A-NET to do? Force people to worship and like you?

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Posted by: Kazim.2043

Kazim.2043

My guild only have 80 members but they are all great guys/girls. I’m a commander also thx to them.

I think in whole server we have 4-5 commanders and all are great/dedicated on WvW. Perhaps that’s why I didn’t get such tells. Instead people are sending pms giving intel from various sides of the map, or asking aid when a structure is under heavy pressure.

It seems we picked the right server even tough we’re at middle when it comes to ranking.

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Posted by: Shirou.4098

Shirou.4098

My guild only have 80 members but they are all great guys/girls. I’m a commander also thx to them.

Getting this haters as well like i do and mentioned?

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Posted by: Igolbug.7295

Igolbug.7295

I recognize the commander names and criticize them based on their past eprformances.

We have someone who bought the commander book who has never done any leading and has always been in the worst places during WvWvW. Does not talk in any chat, yet people will now follow this person all around the map getting nothing done because of the commander.

We were getting our butts kicked trying to defend 1 of our last towers, look on the map and the commander is over in the jumping puzzle, doesn’t even turn off the commander tag to do it.

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Posted by: Aria.4817

Aria.4817

While I am sure some people earned the right to wear commander badge, I do wish there was a way to earn it other then just flat out paying for it.

You have to admit some players buy this and expect people to just follow them not because they have earned the respect, but because they happen to have the money to buy it in he first place!

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Posted by: MyDublin.8924

MyDublin.8924

Your commander badge was not earned by skill or ability, you bought it.
It means nothing. Get over it.

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Posted by: ExeQ.1067

ExeQ.1067

Prove you deserve to be commander and you will be respected.

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Posted by: Tumbero.3945

Tumbero.3945

People ask me why i not became a commander actually sometimes , i only say i will be when all my guildmates reach level 80 and i equip them with exotics, mostly i see on my server Stormbluff like 8 commanders only 2 worth it the others are mostly guys that dont know a kitten and are always afraid of going foward.

Other thing is that i always upgrade all the keep castle etc, and i see other people always asking for money, and i say if you spend 100 gold on that kitten and you can not pay upgrades , you sucks..

Be commander , farm like hell , craft make your own coins , dont ask other to pay you and dont ask your guildmembers to pay you % of coins.

I see lot of guild saying that , the guildmaster ask for money to all the legion. I assume he dont know how to make money that is actually very easy to make.

I only play to have fun , help my 5 members guild and if someone want to pvp and no drama and always get helped not matter from where you are or your age my guild is open to hellpfull people.

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Posted by: MyDublin.8924

MyDublin.8924

I also believe (and have seen things to back it up) that some commanders on the field are plants by other servers engaged in the WvW match.

Your title should be earned and should be server based only, not able to be carried across server transfers. It’s earned on that server and only works on that server.
Buying your title either through forcing guild members to pay up or buying gold from some dodgy place online (how else did you get 100g in all honesty) and then being disgusted because everyone on the map will not obey you is just laughable.

Follow me. Come to me. All on me. Need everyone to me. Everyone follow commander. All to commander. etc., etc., etc., Many of us are just sick of it, you did nothing to earn that title nor that icon on your head showing over the map and I only wish by default it was turned off for all players so they’re not mislead.

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Posted by: Ascleph.2147

Ascleph.2147

- You are a commander for your guild, they will follow you
- You are NOT a commander for your world, you shouldnt expect people to follow you just because you bought the book.
- Block the people harrassing you and report them if its worth reporting, easy.

Are they randomly harrassing you or are you barking orders and then getting kitteny when no one listens to you? I’ve yet to see random hate towards commanders, but I’ve seen hate for random players barking orders and insulting people that dont follow them, if that random is a commander then that just gives their victims more ammo.

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Posted by: Attila.6348

Attila.6348

I doubt all of these comments come out of nowhere, especially if you’re doing what you’re supposed to do as a commander. For example, in all these weeks of playing GW, I have never, ever seen a commander on my server do anything but /afk or sit in an empty keep doing absolutely nothing. Actually, when my guild rolls into WvW, everybody follows us while the commander is somewhere else, where he’s not supposed to be. I bet if you were amongst the soldiers, bashing on that keep door where the zerg is, or even better where you led them to, you will get much, much less hate.

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Posted by: Treize.7026

Treize.7026

Considering that acquiring that book implies absolutely nothing regarding your skill as a commander, nor your motives in getting the book in the first place, criticism is going to happen.

In my profession, I’m going to have absolutely 0 respect for a supervisor who simply bought the position than someone who earned it.

The problem is in GW2 it can’t be earned, it can ONLY be bought… so my suggestion is to weather the abuse without blocking ANYONE, continue to do what you do, and eventually people will respect you because of it.

Ideally it would have probably been best to get the fame and respect first and the commander book second… but you did it the other way around apparently, and this is a side effect.

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Posted by: ConterK.3972

ConterK.3972

you can’t spect to BUY respect
Respect is earned with actions,
mayb if you do some good actions, you’d be respected more

and, if u can’t handle the preausre of the haters, u are not the best choice to lead a massive group on WvW

Having commander is like being a Superstar IRL, they have lovers, they have haters, there’s also those who don’t even care about you,
get over it

Ther’s like 2 or more commanders on my server and they’r ALWAYS in Lion’s Arch or PvE maps,
im in WvW like 24/7 and i’v never EVER seen them on WvW, so i wouldn’t spect to be leaded succesfully by them if they even try to come to “help” the server

Anet is not there to babysit and take care of every1 that gets pm’d with hatefull messages, and those messages you posted seem very normal hateless messages lol

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Posted by: caufenkamp.7210

caufenkamp.7210

Thats weird. In Tarnished coast, our commanders are not ridiculed at all. Most listen to him and follow his lead.

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Posted by: Drium.8509

Drium.8509

Maguuma’s commanders are also respected, go figure.

Then again, our commanders are people from GOON or SFD who have experience leading from EVE Online, so they’re in a good position not to suck at their jobs.

I’d suggest that you report people giving you verbal abuse over being a commander and block them, honestly. There’s nothing that Anet can do about this except smack people with temporary bans for verbal abuse unless you want them to institute some kind of super profanity filter whenever a commander is in a map.

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Posted by: Elthurien.8356

Elthurien.8356

The Commander book isn’t just for WvW for starters, it can be used everywhere in GW2 (Except maybe sPvP). I use it for Meta Events in PvE as well as coordinating guild members for resource gathering runs. I personally only use my commander book in WvW once a week for a community event, then maybe on the odd occasion when we need to focus on one particular area. I don’t see my commander book as a leader of the server, I see it as a zerg magnet to be used as required. There is a problem with community on some servers for letting the above actions happen. Trolls will be trolls regardless of who you are, having a blue icon over your head just makes you a bigger target. If you have trolls on your server giving commanders a hard time, turn on the troll as a community, when several thousand people refuse to group with them, I doubt they will continue. Some of the trolls are jealous, others just enjoy causing chaos for the sake of chaos but the best way to deal with a troll is ignore him on a global scale. They will eventually make a name for themselves and people will be able to identify them for the trolls that they are.

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Posted by: MyDublin.8924

MyDublin.8924

Or better still, put the commander on block/ignore – very hard to condone someone buying gold to then buy the title and ego trip, or indeed demanding money from guild members or running ponzi/lotto schemes to get same.
Basically, I follow good leaders regardless of what icon is over their head or not.
I don’t understand people who bought the title who then think they deserve to be listened to over others or followed ? It’s also very misleading to new players.

However for the most part, apart from when I played on Henge, the commanders immediately get ignored and if they spam too much, they get blocked. They deserve nothing less, again, your title and icon mean absolutely nothing of any worth outside of your own delusion.

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Posted by: YPC.6349

YPC.6349

Some of you guys seem to have a fancy PC or never run a 30+ group. When you run a group that has more than 30 people, your PC would not render all people in your group, including the leader of the group. So it is very often the group get split up or go to the wrong way because someone decide to chase the enemy, gather mat or get some poi/vista etc, even if all members are in VOIP. The little commander blue icon in the map would be very useful as banner to a group. And if your are not belong to that group, please do ignore it. We don’t intend to command you, we don’t need your respect, we just want you leave us alone.

BTW, 100g is rather cheap for a 100+ guild which its member are somehow serious about the guild.

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Posted by: shortcake.8659

shortcake.8659

Really wish it was earned instead of purchasable for gold. When I played planetside, command ranks were earned by being a squad leader while capturing or resecuring objectives.

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Posted by: Neandramathal.9536

Neandramathal.9536

People get them in many different ways, I saved for mine on my own and almost all my time is spent in WvW (before and after Icon), others got them via guild donations etc. A 200 man guild only needs 50s per member and you have an icon, our guild has approx 8 proper members so I saved for it myself, and most the time it’s actually turned off (although that’s mostly because of the lack of things it actually gives you).

Currently commander icon’s… I don’t think are worth it, and the few players that have them don’t use them as they should. I see people who don’t turn them off, ever. So they’ll go AFK or go to scout something without remembering that they have a zerg in tow.

Large guilds don’t NEED a commander icon imo, it’s there for the pugs.

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Posted by: Phidaissi.5160

Phidaissi.5160

I think commander should be a guild upgrade, perhaps with a gold cost as well, but a required research level – like say politics 5 needed to have a commander, then buy it from the guild registrar for 100g FOR THE GUILD.

Then in rank settings have a ‘Can be commander’ flag. Any member can activate as commander, but only ONE member at a time. Make the commander flags on the map display the guild associated. Make the commander of YOUR guild have a different colour icon.

It means a guild can pass commander to the next in line as people shift out over the day.
It means using mouse over allies or even random pick ups can see which guild commander is where and choose to join up with a group they know
It also means that the commanders are world locked like most guild upgrades, and gives guilds more flexibility in how they use commanders.

To make it even more useful, you could even limit it so a guild cannot flag up their commander unless they have more than 10 on map or 15, or some other arbitrary number that actually reflects that this commander actually has a group

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Posted by: TxJBxT.9370

TxJBxT.9370

To a point it is a “rich kid” thing. You spent 100g to buy what basically is an obnoxious marker on everyone’s map. You deserve no respect as a leader for that. So no one gives you any. You need to EARN respect by being a leader. If you can’t handle that then you truly enforce the term “rich kid”.

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Posted by: Ryner.6895

Ryner.6895

Just reply with the usual “Umadbro?”

Please add in pve pk. Ty xoxoxoxo
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Posted by: Slamz.5376

Slamz.5376

Commander should be guild research.

Making it gold makes no sense.

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Posted by: BlueCheez.4873

BlueCheez.4873

This is a problem with the community. Not with the commander book. The commander book forces you to either be: A) dedicated to leading in WvW, or B ) have a giant guild backing you. Both are great qualifications for leading in WvW. If people think you are just being a rich show off, that’s fine. The block function exists for a reason.

if they already have a 1000 person backing, why the hell do they need it?
1000 people already follow you, do you really need more?

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Posted by: Luna.9640

Luna.9640

You can never put even 10 members of your guild to WvW with this queues…not to mention 500 or 1000 lol so thats why they call it waste of money not to offend you.

People trashtalk Commanders bcoz in many cases they’re kids with big ego who try to lead.

Leaders are not ppl who rob (not all) their guilds for the 100g than predend to be leaders in WvW and fail big time.

To be a leader you should achieve greater goods for your server in WvW not to pay 100g

Right now commander book is another great MONEY SINK Anet created to reduce greatly the money at servers and force them yo buy gems

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Posted by: Scribbles.7493

Scribbles.7493

Have you considered that maybe the insults are a reaction to bad leadership?

I don’t wish to insinuate anything, but people randomly being verbally abusive over how you and your guild wish to spend their money seems unlikely, and it seems more plausible to me that you might be a bad commander who views the 100g icon as a license to yell at people.

Here’s some general tips regarding WvW commandeering. Leadership revolves around encouragement and focussing on the good things, even when the battle seems hopeless and lost. Complaining and blaming doesn’t make people want to try harder, it makes them want to leave. For every person that verbally abuses you, there are ten more that just log off and don’t bother coming back the next day.

Also, another good tip. Never pet a burning Charr.

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Posted by: DirtyHoudini.2917

DirtyHoudini.2917

Giant guild following you? You can only have about 30 people in the commander’s squad, it’s not even worth it..

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Posted by: Exeon.4358

Exeon.4358

Well again there are points of view on this part.

I totally disagree with sending you private messages to insult you.
It’s unacceptable.

However from what I’ve seen there is Chaos in WvW in many parts, and it only fixes when people coordinate, I’ve done everything in my power to help FS EB to maintain control and extend control (if any FS is reading this, it’s me who’s yelling at people for siege equipment in Durios)

The issue is that “some” player do whatever they feel like, they will take supplies from towers, keeps and even SM, they will even repair SM walls when it’s being bombarded from a tower losing the supply for upgrades.

Many of these players do follow a commander, and this frustrates players whenever you have a commander, that doesn’t know a thing about leading(killing players and leading isn’t the same thing) and that leads players into their deaths.

I’ve had this experience with most commanders in FS(only exception was the Russian Nugos commander)
So players get a natural hatred to the whole commander system, which instead of expressing here, they will whine to against the commanders.

I’m sorry to hear your experience, and i do hope they change the way commander work.

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Posted by: Phara Miu.2816

Phara Miu.2816

If a see a rich kid with commander not worth leading i /ignore and wont deal with rich kids anymore.

On the other hand that commander is epic and lead people, even random joe follows the orders and thats what it was intended for.

Do i care about a rich kid failing to lead ? not at all matter of fact i can only laugh at them

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Posted by: Shirou.4098

Shirou.4098

Morning all, i did read all the replies i missed from yesterday and i must say each comment helped me alot, thanks alot for the replies.

I am now running with 2 other commanders on my server and we using tactics together for our server.

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Posted by: Scribbles.7493

Scribbles.7493

Just keep in mind that respect is earned and not bought.

You say you have a guild backing you up. This is already a big advantage. I find that in WvW you need a group of at least somewhere around ten people in order to reliably accomplish tasks. As long as you have this group of people following your orders, you will find that your successes will lead to the size of your group increasing, as people will tend to flock to people who get **** done. Not to people who tell others to get **** done.

Lead by example.

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