Guild Wars 2

Hi all -

Been playing since launch, mostly focused on PvP. I’d like to start doing some WvW roaming. My brother and I both play, so we’d ideally like to pair up and roam around together.

Can you help with suggestions for the best profession/build pairs for two people roaming together?

I primarily play Thief, Warrior, and Mesmer, but we’re both open to pretty much anything. I’m hoping to find a good partner for D/D Thief or PU Mesmer, but again – open to any good suggestions.

Thanks!

Thief x 2.

As long as you can heavily exploit stealth there is no need to “complement” another class. Plus, only another Thief or possibly Mesmer can match a Thief. The rest will just be giant targets and unable to keep up.

You can of course spice things up by using one of them as tanky first hitter vs groups and one as the sneaky follow up backstabber.

What Dawdler said. Condi thief + power thief is probadly the most efficient pair.

Thanks. Agreed that Thief/Thief is probably what we were leaning toward. And is there anything specific that makes a good partner for PU Mes?

Thief thief or mesmer thief. Maybe mesmer mesmer if you want to drive enemys in crazy with kittenload of clones

Just 2 thieves (1 burst, 1 venom sharing), add that with 3 additional players with random profession, then you’ll crash all roamers…

I saw it way too often during T1 roaming zzz.

It’s really broken that 2 thieves can easily achieve group permenant stealth, and 1 venomer is able to make all 5 allies so deadly.

Toxsa.2701:

Just 2 thieves (1 burst, 1 venom sharing), add that with 3 additional players with random profession, then you’ll crash all roamers…

I saw it way too often during T1 roaming zzz.

It’s really broken that 2 thieves can easily achieve group permenant stealth, and 1 venomer is able to make all 5 allies so deadly.

Well, you know that thieves are upset about a lack of teamsupport since headstart?
If I don´t forget one, granting stealth to allies, boons through trickery or venomshare are our ways in direct support. You just insulted two of them to be broken. Maybe they are, maybe not. But they are our way to help allies. Stealth for ambushes/advantage of surprise or retreating/rezzing. Venomshare for heavy pressure, especially on called targets. I agree that they can be very strong if used correctly. A refuge at the wrong moment can screw you heavily though. Venomshare is a very interesting thing. Used it just the last weekend after a friend requested for it in a 3vs3. Used devourer and basilisk-venom. With the correct focus the target is dead, when failing in escaping.
You are talking here about 5 people what I wouldn´t consider roaming. Its more smallscale with the goal to kill the same or more numbers of enemy. In that case if the team plays well, they can of course take out target with the help of venomshare. The problem I see here consists in growing numbers of enemys and the lack of sustain of the venomshare-thief. Don´t get me wrong. You can still achieve stuff, but not as good as another class imo.
So about crashing roamers… With 5 people (1 burst, 1 venomshare, 2-3 more) you should do that everyday. Roamers are at 1-3 people normally ^^
I think you should know how many rangers are often in that groups of 5. A little bit rapidfire here and there and some lonely roamers die. What if you encounter 2 good medi-guards while being on the way while being both thieves (I assume 2 people here). Normally thats a big advantage in direction to the guards as being a known counter. Of course you can always run away and seek for easier targets, but I don´t like that. When I meet an enemy player, I fight him, with little retreats here and there. Only if I tried and think its useless I try to disengage. Thats why I like to go around with D/D ele, too. They are great in fights as giving good support, dealing a lot of damage, granting heal and have great mobility. Especially in combination with a thief
In general you can use every combination of classes that have good mobility. Thieves are still at a high spot, so a very good class to roam with. So are mesmers with traveler-runes, engis, eles, warris.

I don´t say that thieves are bad for roaming, its the place they shine. Their ability to stealth let them use a hell lot of guerrilla-tactics. Here I think they fulfill there class-design. I don´t consider stealth to be broken by itself. It gives the game a very interesting flavor of ambush and surprise. Good players can deal with that. Bad ones doesn´t. Despite that the use of SA is the biggest problem and the reason of so much QQ. Its low risk, high reward. You can have a lot of armor and health and still dish out high damage. I fight them because I fight everyone. But its as boring as fighting a P/D condi-specc or full-bunker-builds and when you ancounter an average player behind a D/P SA build that player survives endless.

When I think about that post I don´t really remember what I want to achieve, very tired ^^
You can always run as 2 thieves in wvw with D/P critical-executioner and oneshot every single roamer you ancounter or with D/P SA and survive everything. But be aware of having to run away from condi-speccs or player just ignoring you because of being in stealth all the time.
At the end I recommend you (the OP) to try out some combinations you two are playing and decide on what gives you the most fun. mesmer and warri can be great, too. Clones could give some cover for the warri. But I can never ever recommend you to run PU-mesmer, its not fun and a great bunch of people will just walk away. D/D thief is a little bit difficult, but can still be great in wvw, when you see and use the possibilities like walls and ambient creatures for your C&D.

Coronit.9432:

Toxsa.2701:

Just 2 thieves (1 burst, 1 venom sharing), add that with 3 additional players with random profession, then you’ll crash all roamers…

I saw it way too often during T1 roaming zzz.

It’s really broken that 2 thieves can easily achieve group permenant stealth, and 1 venomer is able to make all 5 allies so deadly.

Well, you know that thieves are upset about a lack of teamsupport since headstart?
If I don´t forget one, granting stealth to allies, boons through trickery or venomshare are our ways in direct support. You just insulted two of them to be broken. Maybe they are, maybe not. But they are our way to help allies. Stealth for ambushes/advantage of surprise or retreating/rezzing. Venomshare for heavy pressure, especially on called targets. I agree that they can be very strong if used correctly. A refuge at the wrong moment can screw you heavily though. Venomshare is a very interesting thing. Used it just the last weekend after a friend requested for it in a 3vs3. Used devourer and basilisk-venom. With the correct focus the target is dead, when failing in escaping.
You are talking here about 5 people what I wouldn´t consider roaming. Its more smallscale with the goal to kill the same or more numbers of enemy. In that case if the team plays well, they can of course take out target with the help of venomshare. The problem I see here consists in growing numbers of enemys and the lack of sustain of the venomshare-thief. Don´t get me wrong. You can still achieve stuff, but not as good as another class imo.
So about crashing roamers… With 5 people (1 burst, 1 venomshare, 2-3 more) you should do that everyday. Roamers are at 1-3 people normally ^^
I think you should know how many rangers are often in that groups of 5. A little bit rapidfire here and there and some lonely roamers die. What if you encounter 2 good medi-guards while being on the way while being both thieves (I assume 2 people here). Normally thats a big advantage in direction to the guards as being a known counter. Of course you can always run away and seek for easier targets, but I don´t like that. When I meet an enemy player, I fight him, with little retreats here and there. Only if I tried and think its useless I try to disengage. Thats why I like to go around with D/D ele, too. They are great in fights as giving good support, dealing a lot of damage, granting heal and have great mobility. Especially in combination with a thief
In general you can use every combination of classes that have good mobility. Thieves are still at a high spot, so a very good class to roam with. So are mesmers with traveler-runes, engis, eles, warris.

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You don’t get it. You can easily avoid all small scale teams if they’re not invisible. But for 2 thieves team, they’re dedicated to crush all roamers because there’s no-way to avoid them if they take turn SR and keep on permanent stealth for all 5 members. They just come out of nowhere, root you with 30 seconds immobilize + numerous covered conditions, and crush you from nowhere. If they catch you, basically there’s 0 chance you can escape too, unless you’re another stealth thief who happened to react the the spike and use shadowstep instantly then SR.

Not to mention venom thief is very durable too thanks to dire gears, so you can’t just kill him before he enters into another stealth. Really, you don’t have to defend venom thief in terms of small scale roaming ability. They’re arguably the most broken and annoying spec in WvW small scale roaming, with high condition damage and supreme durability and permanent invisibility. They’re tougher than any type of burst classes, RF ranger, medi guardian, and burst thief alike.

Basically you may as well switch map if you see that kind of party roaming around on the map.

Lol @ all the answers with 2 thieves. It’s not gonna work if you run into a proper 2 man of equal skill or a group of greater numbers.

As a thief, I’d prefer a good d/d ele or bunker guardian. At some point, you need someone who can take the focus off you. Otherwise, both of you thieves will just end up stealthing and disengaging for most of the fight because you can only land one burst before needing to peel.

This is also why you don’t see 2 thief groups do well in 2v2 tourneys and stuff.

mango.9267:

Lol @ all the answers with 2 thieves. It’s not gonna work if you run into a proper 2 man of equal skill or a group of greater numbers.

As a thief, I’d prefer a good d/d ele or bunker guardian. At some point, you need someone who can take the focus off you. Otherwise, both of you thieves will just end up stealthing and disengaging for most of the fight because you can only land one burst before needing to peel.

This is also why you don’t see 2 thief groups do well in 2v2 tourneys and stuff.

I dont know whats going on in 2v2 tournaments but roaming is a little different. 2 thieves just burst down the first target befor that can realize anything. 2 good thieves also share the smoke fields so they need to cast 1 and not 2 so thay save initiative.

thief/thief is good
so is thief/mesmer and mesmer/mesmer

warrior pairs really well with nonstealth classes and itself too. Like warrior/ranger and warrior/guardian.

I personally like to play with a necro and a thief.
I usually play mesmer,ranger,warrior,medi guard.
Necros are so slow so if you get in trouble you usually get away while the necro takes one for the team.
(don’t tell my friend)

Coronit.9432:

But I can never ever recommend you to run PU-mesmer, its not fun and a great bunch of people will just walk away.

What is this supposed to mean? That it’s too cheesy and other players won’t even engage?

This hasn’t been my experience thus far in WvW (minimal experience, though). Is this the case in other people’s experience? There are plenty of terribly cheesy builds that I still engage with (D/P Thief, Turret Engineer) – so just because generally the builds are “easy” to play doesn’t mean I’ll run away from them.

Jowiso.8602:

Coronit.9432:

But I can never ever recommend you to run PU-mesmer, its not fun and a great bunch of people will just walk away.

What is this supposed to mean? That it’s too cheesy and other players won’t even engage?

This hasn’t been my experience thus far in WvW (minimal experience, though). Is this the case in other people’s experience? There are plenty of terribly cheesy builds that I still engage with (D/P Thief, Turret Engineer) – so just because generally the builds are “easy” to play doesn’t mean I’ll run away from them.

Lol at turret engi’s in WvW. As far as PU goes, they usually aren’t worth the time it takes to 1v1 (same goes for condi thieves). If I’m on my necro they are easy kills, if I’m on my ranger I’ll get out of combat and slot sic ‘em, if I’m on anything else I just ignore them or kite them to a camp.

Jowiso.8602:

Coronit.9432:

But I can never ever recommend you to run PU-mesmer, its not fun and a great bunch of people will just walk away.

What is this supposed to mean? That it’s too cheesy and other players won’t even engage?

This hasn’t been my experience thus far in WvW (minimal experience, though). Is this the case in other people’s experience? There are plenty of terribly cheesy builds that I still engage with (D/P Thief, Turret Engineer) – so just because generally the builds are “easy” to play doesn’t mean I’ll run away from them.

PU mes isnt fun for the other person to fight against. Even if you can kill them, it’s not satisfying. Its an aggravating experience to fight a PU mes. Just because i can survive cancer, doesn’t mean i want to have to deal with cancer. If i see a mes roaming with +40 condi food, i always just /laugh and walk away from them. its not worth dealing with that trash.

Nikkinella.8254:

PU mes isnt fun for the other person to fight against. Even if you can kill them, it’s not satisfying. Its an aggravating experience to fight a PU mes.

Wah! You guys are making me sad. I enjoy PU Mes when I’ve played so far – but are there other solid condition builds that aren’t quite so “frustrating” like you said?

Any input from a Mesmer that runs PU in WvW? Do you find this is true? That you mostly just have people running from you….?

Jowiso.8602:

Nikkinella.8254:

PU mes isnt fun for the other person to fight against. Even if you can kill them, it’s not satisfying. Its an aggravating experience to fight a PU mes.

Wah! You guys are making me sad. I enjoy PU Mes when I’ve played so far – but are there other solid condition builds that aren’t quite so “frustrating” like you said?

Any input from a Mesmer that runs PU in WvW? Do you find this is true? That you mostly just have people running from you….?

Whenever you fight a PU, and get the feeling that he has an idea of what he’s doing you can just see how it goes, and when you feel the need to disengage it’s easy to do so as long as you can manage to cleanse the torment

Support Guardian and Condition Necro IMO.

If you want to be really mean use a thief thief or mesmer mesmer team and while creating said players use same race and outfits/characteristics so they LOOK identical.

babazhook.6805:

If you want to be really mean use a thief thief or mesmer mesmer team and while creating said players use same race and outfits/characteristics so they LOOK identical.

we have 2 mesmers that do that on our server. They always play together and make sure to keep their wvw rank identical as well to further add to the confusion.

Jowiso.8602:

Nikkinella.8254:

PU mes isnt fun for the other person to fight against. Even if you can kill them, it’s not satisfying. Its an aggravating experience to fight a PU mes.

Wah! You guys are making me sad. I enjoy PU Mes when I’ve played so far – but are there other solid condition builds that aren’t quite so “frustrating” like you said?

Any input from a Mesmer that runs PU in WvW? Do you find this is true? That you mostly just have people running from you….?

Condi builds in general aren’t fun to fight against no matter the class. Atleast not for me. I generally just ignore anyone if i see corruption stacks or condi food on them. Dire armor so the can facetank everything you do against them and not even have to react to what you do while they 111111 and put condis on you non stop from passive procs while you have to play carefully and try to counter everything they do, isn’t a satisfying experience.

Nikkinella.8254:

Jowiso.8602:

Nikkinella.8254:

PU mes isnt fun for the other person to fight against. Even if you can kill them, it’s not satisfying. Its an aggravating experience to fight a PU mes.

Wah! You guys are making me sad. I enjoy PU Mes when I’ve played so far – but are there other solid condition builds that aren’t quite so “frustrating” like you said?

Any input from a Mesmer that runs PU in WvW? Do you find this is true? That you mostly just have people running from you….?

Condi builds in general aren’t fun to fight against no matter the class. Atleast not for me. I generally just ignore anyone if i see corruption stacks or condi food on them. Dire armor so the can facetank everything you do against them and not even have to react to what you do while they 111111 and put condis on you non stop from passive procs while you have to play carefully and try to counter everything they do, isn’t a satisfying experience.

I’m fine with condition, as long as they don’t RUN AWAY after their failed attempt (looking at you perplex venom thief), and as long as they don’t hide in shadow and gank me with 3.

thief/thief is okay
thief/mes is nice
war or guar/thief or mes works well too
mes/mes is a distaster unless they are both good and can cooperate well

Generally combination of power/condi is very strong as it puts a lot of pressure on your target.

If you and a friend play same class, don’t forget strengths/weakness of that said class are much stronger in duo. Yeah, thief/thief can stealth for days but get they get cc’d or dps guard passes by and they are downed in no time. Thief/thief also needs a good cooperation, often when a roaming with a less experienced thief, he drops SR just on top of us when running and gets me revealed. Two good thieves can cause a lot of havoc among enemies. I personally don’t like mes/mes at all, they seem to be countered any condi build/heavy classes really fast.

Dawdler.8521:

Thief x 2.

As long as you can heavily exploit stealth there is no need to “complement” another class. Plus, only another Thief or possibly Mesmer can match a Thief. The rest will just be giant targets and unable to keep up.

You can of course spice things up by using one of them as tanky first hitter vs groups and one as the sneaky follow up backstabber.

Really? One good engineer and you’re both lying on the ground. It happens to most thief-thief pair I run into, and I don’t consider myself good. But then again: there aren’t many engineers roaming in WvW, so if you want to kill PU mesmers or rangers, that will work.

Mesmer/thief is more balanced. Warrior/engineer is deadly is good hands, and disengage as easily as a thief and better than a mesmer.

Tricare.2946:

Support Guardian and Condition Necro IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm--IZqqEs8

That works really really well in squirkmishes, but the problem is the mobility. You can’t really chase targets, and you can’t really escape when the situation becomes delicate imo. For me, that’s the main reason guardians, necromancers, or rangers without sword are not great for roaming.

Sorel.4870:

Dawdler.8521:

Thief x 2.

As long as you can heavily exploit stealth there is no need to “complement” another class. Plus, only another Thief or possibly Mesmer can match a Thief. The rest will just be giant targets and unable to keep up.

You can of course spice things up by using one of them as tanky first hitter vs groups and one as the sneaky follow up backstabber.

Really? One good engineer and you’re both lying on the ground. It happens to most thief-thief pair I run into, and I don’t consider myself good. But then again: there aren’t many engineers roaming in WvW, so if you want to kill PU mesmers or rangers, that will work.

Mesmer/thief is more balanced. Warrior/engineer is deadly is good hands, and disengage as easily as a thief and better than a mesmer.

And if the Thieves by chance meet that Engineer, they will be gone and 100m away in 3 seconds. If just fancy dagger flailing made a good roamer a Necro would own too, but yeah… it doesnt.

Dawdler.8521:

And if the Thieves by chance meet that Engineer, they will be gone and 100m away in 3 seconds. If just fancy dagger flailing made a good roamer a Necro would own too, but yeah… it doesnt.

No way. They always think that because they are two, they are sure to win. By the time they realize their mistake, EG+Magnet Pull is enough to prevent them to run away. And if you have to run away every time an engineer comes by, it’s still a bad team: no decent roaming pair should loose a 2v1 against a player of their skill level.