Guild Wars 2

not sure who is best at gvg atm… I rate SLAY as currently one of the best wvw guilds… they have strong raids, they are good at taking objectives, they are good at defending objectives and outside of their guild raiding time they do all the boring jobs people like to shirk such as scouting, escorting dollies, etc. etc. They also do their fair share of open raiding too which are always very popular.

The only guild i have seen running around that still keeps their numbers around 15 and is capable of crushing 30+ is RES on GH.
Heck even Vii is running 30 man blobs nowadays as are all the guilds mentioned in this post.

When does Agg play? I’m TB on DB and I haven’t seen them yet.

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

The only guild i have seen running around that still keeps their numbers around 15 and is capable of crushing 30+ is RES on GH.
Heck even Vii is running 30 man blobs nowadays as are all the guilds mentioned in this post.

Im not sure you know what a blob is, or much about guild play for that matter. Besides it’s irrelevant how many they run with on the battlefield because you never judge a guild by wvw, you look at how they GvG.

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

The only guild i have seen running around that still keeps their numbers around 15 and is capable of crushing 30+ is RES on GH.
Heck even Vii is running 30 man blobs nowadays as are all the guilds mentioned in this post.

Wat

NeXeD.3042:

When does Agg play? I’m TB on DB and I haven’t seen them yet.

NA pst

Curios about the EU NA thing, I’ve played a bunch of pvp mmos and it always seems the same EU always claims to be better and usually it’s because they are able to play NA servers and compete and are still usually just as fast while when we go over there we move lIke snails. I was always under the impression the reason for that is they have higher speed connections available to them… most of this is from playing Ultima Online for years.

warriorjrd.8695:

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

The only guild i have seen running around that still keeps their numbers around 15 and is capable of crushing 30+ is RES on GH.
Heck even Vii is running 30 man blobs nowadays as are all the guilds mentioned in this post.

Im not sure you know what a blob is, or much about guild play for that matter. Besides it’s irrelevant how many they run with on the battlefield because you never judge a guild by wvw, you look at how they GvG.

So what you’re trying to say is that you should judge a guild by how they respond to a battle they know they’re about to have, and that how they respond to terrain, being jumped, how they jump others, is no measure? Thats like judging a basketball team based strictly on their free throw %.

Nope.. i simply base my judgement on what i see every other guild is doing:
iow. copying the meta. running numbers that give way too much room to make mistakes. having the exact same group composition as their opponents, same old tactics and initiation. (not to mention holding hands because groups of 15 can be scary when you run 30) IOW. Safety in numbers. Seeing entire guilds run PVT armor with toughness runes etc.

I do remember seeing Vii running around 15~ish a year ago and being unbeatable now I don’t see any guild stifing for the same goal.
And yes, i judge guilds on how they hold up in battle, what they are running, what composition they have (not impressed with Guardior groups).

A group of 15 can get wiped every fight, but if they fight vs 30+ and hold the fight only to lose trough power ressing or other zerging mechanics then that group of 15 has way more skill and is the better group by far in my eyes.

NB: GvG in a WvW environment is no real judging standard either tbh.

So you’re saying the only measure of skill is running with 15 or less. It doesn’t matter how well you play, who your opponent is, what your composition is, or whether you win. That’s all irrelevant, because >15 is instant noob and <15 is instant pro? Sounds kinda stupid to me.

The fact is the meta has moved on. A year ago it was easier to run with 15 than it is today, because the average standard of pug-zergers has gone up. Please note: not every pug zerg, I said the average. This isn’t necessarily that the skill of your average pug has gone up, it’s more due to the builds and tactics of the top guilds having filtered through to the rest now. A year ago alot less people stacked stability or understood the importance of waterfields or soft/hard CC. It used to be that a static field would halt 90% of a zerg. Now 90% will walk through it.
You also have to consider that since EoTM, your average zerg contains alot less upscales and badge-farmers than it did a year ago. These days, there are plenty of organised pug-blobs around which are completely un-fightable with less than 25.

It’s the same amongst the top guilds. A year ago RG was completely untouchable. However, I’m pretty sure the TA or VII of today could roll over 1-year-ago-RG without blinking. That’s not because the players are more skilled (heck, some of them are the same players). It’s just that the meta has advanced and new tactics discovered.

Ragnar.4257:

So you’re saying the only measure of skill is running with 15 or less. It doesn’t matter how well you play, who your opponent is, what your composition is, or whether you win. That’s all irrelevant, because >15 is instant noob and <15 is instant pro? Sounds kinda stupid to me.

The fact is the meta has moved on. A year ago it was easier to run with 15 than it is today, because the average standard of pug-zergers has gone up. Please note: not every pug zerg, I said the average. This isn’t necessarily that the skill of your average pug has gone up, it’s more due to the builds and tactics of the top guilds having filtered through to the rest now. A year ago alot less people stacked stability or understood the importance of waterfields or soft/hard CC. It used to be that a static field would halt 90% of a zerg. Now 90% will walk through it.
You also have to consider that since EoTM, your average zerg contains alot less upscales and badge-farmers than it did a year ago. These days, there are plenty of organised pug-blobs around which are completely un-fightable with less than 25.

It’s the same amongst the top guilds. A year ago RG was completely untouchable. However, I’m pretty sure the TA or VII of today could roll over them without blinking. That’s not because the players are more skilled (heck, some of them are the same players). It’s just that the meta has advanced and new tactics discovered.

I think that guilds skill level is all time low now.

SFShinigami.2015:

warriorjrd.8695:

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

The only guild i have seen running around that still keeps their numbers around 15 and is capable of crushing 30+ is RES on GH.
Heck even Vii is running 30 man blobs nowadays as are all the guilds mentioned in this post.

Im not sure you know what a blob is, or much about guild play for that matter. Besides it’s irrelevant how many they run with on the battlefield because you never judge a guild by wvw, you look at how they GvG.

So what you’re trying to say is that you should judge a guild by how they respond to a battle they know they’re about to have, and that how they respond to terrain, being jumped, how they jump others, is no measure? Thats like judging a basketball team based strictly on their free throw %.

No, that’s a terrible comparison to what I said. A GvG is balanced, it’s even playing field with no terrain advantages. Skill is what wins you a GvG, there are many other factors involved with regular wvw. I’ve watched guilds wipe other guilds in wvw, then lose to them in a gvg where it was balanced. Obviously how they play in wvw is taken into account, but you don’t only look at that, GvG holds more weight to a guilds skill than clashing in open field.

I respectfully disagree. The ability to use the world around you is far more difficult than a gvg.

SFShinigami.2015:

I respectfully disagree. The ability to use the world around you is far more difficult than a gvg.

Yes and no, it does require skill to be effective in open world wvw, but it’s almost a different skill than a gvg. In wvw there are too many uncontrolled variables to deem a fight there even or fair. But if you want to see how well a guild is at just straight up fighting, then gvg is how you judge it. WvW fights require a different strategy.

doesn’t matter. competitive gvg is ded, there is no one left to fight in NA and I’m sure sacrx has mentioned the same in several of his eu gvg casts in chemso’s stream

Sad Tas.2509:

doesn’t matter. competitive gvg is ded, there is no one left to fight in NA and I’m sure sacrx has mentioned the same in several of his eu gvg casts in chemso’s stream

GvG isn’t what it used to be, but its still far from dead.

warriorjrd.8695:

Sad Tas.2509:

doesn’t matter. competitive gvg is ded, there is no one left to fight in NA and I’m sure sacrx has mentioned the same in several of his eu gvg casts in chemso’s stream

GvG isn’t what it used to be, but its still far from dead.

Perhaps in EU but in NA there is literally like 2 or 3 guilds left worth fighting.

Cheers for the props Le Rooster, it depends on how you are classifying ‘best’, best as in GvG fights, best as in zerg busting, best in roaming, etc. [Lion] are a dedicated havoc group. We dont GvG really, as there is only a handful of us. We are also not active in NA prime time.

We run anywhere from 5-10 with a satellite stealth group(1-5) we use as our eyes on areas of the map, they also tap twrs/garri, take camps, pick off stragglers/re-inforcements, run supply, flip bloodlust zones, etc(we love you guys and the legwork you do for us). We call them in on occasions if we are defending somewhere and we feel they can make an impact.

Im surprised GF doesnt get more of a mention, they are a really tough small group team. Although most of the time i see them recently they are more just sticking to their stealth classes.

As for GvG guilds, i think all the big ones have been mentioned.

PHS is a pretty good guild.

The amount of kitten in this thread is impressive.

This thread:

NA Players:
“Here’s some guilds I think are alright. (Insert list).”
“Nah, that guilds pretty average, they have a lot of room for improvement.

EU Players:
“NA sucks, EU better.”
“Even EU PvE guilds are better than all of NA combined.”
“Even though we’ve never versed or seen any NA guilds in action, ALL EU KICK YO BUTT ALL DAY BRAH.”
“EU players stomp NA all day even though we’ve never fought any of them.”

I was expecting NA to be the idiotic trash talkers. and EU to be the mature ones.

I guess EU WvW is boring and stale at the moment, only reason for the dumb outbursts.

Realist.5812:

This thread:

NA Players:
“Here’s some guilds I think are alright. (Insert list).”
“Nah, that guilds pretty average, they have a lot of room for improvement.

EU Players:
“NA sucks, EU better.”
“Even EU PvE guilds are better than all of NA combined.”
“Even though we’ve never versed or seen any NA guilds in action, ALL EU KICK YO BUTT ALL DAY BRAH.”
“EU players stomp NA all day even though we’ve never fought any of them.”

I was expecting NA to be the idiotic trash talkers. and EU to be the mature ones.

I guess EU WvW is boring and stale at the moment, only reason for the dumb outbursts.

Thing is that EP came to EU to see how good the guilds in EU were. At the moment they came over they were the unofficial “king” of NA so they got looked on as the best NA had to offer.
What happened was that they lost to all the top 3 GvG guilds from EU, and I think even some of the mid-ranked GvG guilds if I dont remember correctly.
So unfortunately that idiotic trashtalking EU guy had right as you said^^

Realist.5812:

I guess EU WvW is boring and stale at the moment, only reason for the dumb outbursts.

It is sadly, since every matchup is decided before it started already. Well lets say the whole Season was decided before it started.

Sooo… did the NA guild actually go over to Europe physically? Or is the ego of the EU players really dumb enough to think that wouldn’t make the slightest difference essentially proving my previous analysis.

NA guilds temporarily transferred to EU for GvG. But i wouldnt say they had a good experience since EU guilds refused to GvG them at NA prime and ping was like 300+. That’s basically where all EU>NA chest thumping coming from.

I would like to see some EU GvG guild to transfer to NA to play with us

Realist.5812:

This thread:

NA Players:
“Here’s some guilds I think are alright. (Insert list).”
“Nah, that guilds pretty average, they have a lot of room for improvement.

EU Players:
“NA sucks, EU better.”
“Even EU PvE guilds are better than all of NA combined.”
“Even though we’ve never versed or seen any NA guilds in action, ALL EU KICK YO BUTT ALL DAY BRAH.”
“EU players stomp NA all day even though we’ve never fought any of them.”

I was expecting NA to be the idiotic trash talkers. and EU to be the mature ones.

I guess EU WvW is boring and stale at the moment, only reason for the dumb outbursts.

You know, considering your name, id have thought you would have grasped that concept rather quickly. When EP came over they were like 4th or 5th in EU, and i’m willing to bet that’s gone down since then.

warriorjrd.8695:

Realist.5812:

This thread:

NA Players:
“Here’s some guilds I think are alright. (Insert list).”
“Nah, that guilds pretty average, they have a lot of room for improvement.

EU Players:
“NA sucks, EU better.”
“Even EU PvE guilds are better than all of NA combined.”
“Even though we’ve never versed or seen any NA guilds in action, ALL EU KICK YO BUTT ALL DAY BRAH.”
“EU players stomp NA all day even though we’ve never fought any of them.”

I was expecting NA to be the idiotic trash talkers. and EU to be the mature ones.

I guess EU WvW is boring and stale at the moment, only reason for the dumb outbursts.

You know, considering your name, id have thought you would have grasped that concept rather quickly. When EP came over they were like 4th or 5th in EU, and i’m willing to bet that’s gone down since then.

They willingly put themselves at a disadvantage to gvg EU. You could be at least a little bit gracious in victory.

Facet.5914:

warriorjrd.8695:

Realist.5812:

This thread:

NA Players:
“Here’s some guilds I think are alright. (Insert list).”
“Nah, that guilds pretty average, they have a lot of room for improvement.

EU Players:
“NA sucks, EU better.”
“Even EU PvE guilds are better than all of NA combined.”
“Even though we’ve never versed or seen any NA guilds in action, ALL EU KICK YO BUTT ALL DAY BRAH.”
“EU players stomp NA all day even though we’ve never fought any of them.”

I was expecting NA to be the idiotic trash talkers. and EU to be the mature ones.

I guess EU WvW is boring and stale at the moment, only reason for the dumb outbursts.

You know, considering your name, id have thought you would have grasped that concept rather quickly. When EP came over they were like 4th or 5th in EU, and i’m willing to bet that’s gone down since then.

They willingly put themselves at a disadvantage to gvg EU. You could be at least a little bit gracious in victory.

EP is a great guild, don’t try and interpret my words. The only reason they would have gone down, is not due to them dropping in skill, but other EU guilds rising. Also please explain this “disadvantage” they gave themselves when they came to GvG EU. It doesn’t seem like a thing a GvG guild would do.

I would think it would have something to do with supposed higher pings for NA players playing in EU giving them disadvantage. On the other hand I know quite a few NA players playing on the EU GvG scene without any problems.

Antares.5234:

I would think it would have something to do with supposed higher pings for NA players playing in EU giving them disadvantage. On the other hand I know quite a few NA players playing on the EU GvG scene without any problems.

I live in Canada and have played on EU since beta, ping isn’t an issue if you have a good internet connection. I know people that live in the UK that get way worse connection and higher ping than I do, the biggest factor is how good your internet is.

warriorjrd.8695:

Antares.5234:

I would think it would have something to do with supposed higher pings for NA players playing in EU giving them disadvantage. On the other hand I know quite a few NA players playing on the EU GvG scene without any problems.

I live in Canada and have played on EU since beta, ping isn’t an issue if you have a good internet connection. I know people that live in the UK that get way worse connection and higher ping than I do, the biggest factor is how good your internet is.

more so your location in NA.

i know people on the east coast that get sub 100 pings to EU. but 99% of west coasters get 250-300+ ping to EU. which is huge difference.

As an Australian I laugh at your latency complaints. Princesses.

About 4 months after launch, I left NA IoJ server for EU SFR because my ping in wvw was dreadful. So it cuts both ways… NA get poor ping on EU… but EU get a poor ping in NA too.

Also the most skilled players in the game are not people who guild raid… they are the solo roamers. People like Wing from Kodash (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMzejeULiEXQGH3xQTDrGXg) or Laela where ever he may be now (https://www.youtube.com/user/OroNeyishi/videos)

Also gvg and wvw are two completely different things. RG were untouchable at gvg – but wvw? They sucked, they were a joke when they played on SFR. When they were not doing gvg, they were noted for leeching. Never once saw them take an objective on their own or initiate an attack.

So absolutely no point in talking about wvw and gvg in the same thread… completely different.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

About 4 months after launch, I left NA IoJ server for EU SFR because my ping in wvw was dreadful. So it cuts both ways… NA get poor ping on EU… but EU get a poor ping in NA too.

Also the most skilled players in the game are not people who guild raid… they are the solo roamers. People like Wing from Kodash (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMzejeULiEXQGH3xQTDrGXg) or Laela where ever he may be now (https://www.youtube.com/user/OroNeyishi/videos)

Also gvg and wvw are two completely different things. RG were untouchable at gvg – but wvw? They sucked, they were a joke when they played on SFR. When they were not doing gvg, they were noted for leeching. Never once saw them take an objective on their own or initiate an attack.

So absolutely no point in talking about wvw and gvg in the same thread… completely different.

Wernt they originaly from blacktide and hopped later " in search of competition " when BT started to go down?

Skady.5916:

NA guilds temporarily transferred to EU for GvG. But i wouldnt say they had a good experience since EU guilds refused to GvG them at NA prime and ping was like 300+. That’s basically where all EU>NA chest thumping coming from.

I would like to see some EU GvG guild to transfer to NA to play with us

A lot of EU guilds did, especially RG when the game was still hot (hotter then these days at least), but in the end for staying in the long term latency wasn’t good enough as were the guilds faced.

The BEST all-around WvW guild that played GW2 was Za Drots.
Sadly, they quit the game.

Oh I see we are supposed to just accept EU players are better for fact without questioning connections they just must all be better just because they are from EU thanks for clearing that up, I wish I had been born in France where the tanks have reverse lights then I could be good at gw2.

NeXeD.3042:

Oh I see we are supposed to just accept EU players are better for fact without questioning connections they just must all be better just because they are from EU thanks for clearing that up, I wish I had been born in France where the tanks have reverse lights then I could be good at gw2.

French tanks have rear lights? Oh boy, did you come up with that all by yourself? I forgot there was tanks in wvw, must be a new addition i’ve missed recently. By the way, you should invest in a new chair because your butt seems a bit sore.

Why don’t you stick to what you do best and wine.

Cheesin and whining must be why they are so good at video games.

NeXeD.3042:

Cheesin and whining must be why they are so good at video games.

Yeah, that chair is definitely hurting your butt.

Your an extremely special snowflake aren’t you.

I’m merely pointing out how insane the eu ego has to be to just automatically assume they are better at a video game “just because”

I am not claiming to be good, I’m not. I am not claiming to be angry, I’m not. I just enjoy pointing out hilariously stupid beliefs. Keep swinging that hammer big boy =)

Oh and you might want to rethink your whole “you didn’t know there WAS tanks in WvW” statement….

NeXeD.3042:

Your an extremely special snowflake aren’t you.

I’m merely pointing out how insane the eu ego has to be to just automatically assume they are better at a video game “just because”

I am not claiming to be good, I’m not. I am not claiming to be angry, I’m not. I just enjoy pointing out hilariously stupid beliefs. Keep swinging that hammer big boy =)

How is it EU having a large ego when I state a fact? EP came from NA as the NA kings and lost to atleast 3 of EU’s top guilds, I’m sorry but that’s a fact. Im not mindlessly chest thumping, I’m stating facts. If they hurt your feelings, I really don’t care. Use that anger of yours to go do something productive rather than get fed up over the internet and try and correct people’s grammar.

My jimmies remain unrustled. So a guild tried playing with a 300 ping and god knows what kind of packet loss and lost to people pinging 10 yeah sweet sample size.

It wasn’t your grammar I was really correcting if you still haven’t figured out there are tanks in wvw.

NeXeD.3042:

My jimmies remain unrustled. So a guild tried playing with a 300 ping and god knows what kind of packet loss and lost to people pinging 10 yeah sweet sample size.

Blaming LAG as the cause of losing 5-x (where x<3) in a BO9, where in most rounds the opposing team didnt even suffer a single loss, is really for sore losers. EP themselves stated that EU guilds were better than them.

I believe the guy with the biggest ego here is you though. I don’t know why, but I have this strange “feeling” that you are replying to this thread only to prove wrong what countless of people from both NA and EU have been stating for months.

Anyway, I think I’ll make a vacation to NA as soon as Season 2 ends, I’ll see by myself the difference between EU and NA players. From my previous experience though, based exclusively on PvP (I played with my alt account in NA, but never got a character to lv80 to enjoy WvW there), NA players are way worse than EU. But this is WvW we’re talking about. We’ll see.

Honestly I haven’t developed an ego in guild wars 2 yet and probably wont, most of my experience comes from Ultima Online pvp and maybe ping makes more of a difference there so you may be right. And I don’t know much about the EP guild either or the EU guilds. All I’m saying is making a blanket statement about all of NA with the sample sizes we currently have is crazy. If EU guilds come here and still dominate than I would be dead wrong and if it’s already happened then please excuse my ignorance.

NeXeD.3042:

Honestly I haven’t developed an ego in guild wars 2 yet and probably wont, most of my experience comes from Ultima Online pvp and maybe ping makes more of a difference there so you may be right. And I don’t know much about the EP guild either or the EU guilds. All I’m saying is making a blanket statement about all of NA with the sample sizes we currently have is crazy. If EU guilds come here and still dominate than I would be dead wrong and if it’s already happened then please excuse my ignorance.

All that is relevant has been bolded.

You couldn’t even fight your own battle zergling, you don’t get to talk. Most meaning since 1998 so even if this game goes for another 10 years most of my exp will still be UO.