Guild Wars 2

Well, recently I’ve been wondering what is the best number of each class to run when running 20-25 man skill groups.

I think it mainly depends on your goal, but say it was busting big blobs, what would be a good ratio of classes to run to both stay alive and do a lot of damage. I usually run about 5-6 warriors, 4-5 guardians, 1-2 eles, 2 engineers, 1 necro, 2-3 mesmers and one ranger/thief.

Anyway, just thought i’d get some other peoples opinions on it. If you’re experienced with havoc groups, post your thoughts!

23 guardians and 2 eles is never a bad setup

you’d want atleast 3-4 rangers for high waterfield uptime. Eles should focus on pure DPS and statics.

you want atleast half full zerker longbow rangers, its mad deeps, like army of moving arrow carts. and they have bear pets, super tank yo

All the Commanders on BG expect 50% Longbow Rangers, 25% Thieves and 25% turret engis.

I think you guys missed the point of “skill group”.. No, rangers aren’t good for skill groups >< 1 or 2 at max is good, but 50%? Hell no ><

I think you are bound to get a lot of hate/joke responses to this question lol. Guardians, eles, hammer warriors seem to take up a majority of the slots. A necro or two for well of corruption, and Mesmer/thief for group stealth never hurts. We will see how the ratio of warrior changes after dec 10 reduces hammer dps.

On the positive side you really can mix up the group however you want, you simply need to modify the way your blob moves depending on the type of fight

can never go wrong with lots of rangers. dem entagles

For zergs? Prolly half should be frontline (guardians/hammer wars), a quarter should be ele’s for water fields and CC. After that, you have the misc classes—3-4 glamour mesmers for veils, a bomb kit engie for blast finishers (for water), a necro or two—such as a well necro and a healer necro that follows the front line in. After that, a thief or two for various midline duties.

Honestly, though, it doesn’t matter what your comp is if your positioning sucks.

100% thieves is best

Can never go wrong with 0 medium armor classes.

Excalibur.9748:

100% thieves is best

ive seen this done before. 25 thieves. each party puts a target on some shmucks head.
that guy gets insta-ganked the zerg disappears into the mist. realpy’s targets, repeat. Lolz to the commander who gets picked out of his zerg.

Noodica.5428:

I think you guys missed the point of “skill group”.. No, rangers aren’t good for skill groups >< 1 or 2 at max is good, but 50%? Hell no ><

20-25 people is not a skill group to start with.

more necros! corrosive poison cloud on their water fields.
more eles! the aoe dps they dish out is absurd.
awesome mesmers! use defensive portals.
it can be hard to find skilled squishies, so good luck to you.

don’t forget those engis for backline – also have a good uptime for water

not to mention supply crate + statics is a good line breaker

25 guardians is the sad sad sad truth.

Singer.8740:

Excalibur.9748:

100% thieves is best

ive seen this done before. 25 thieves. each party puts a target on some shmucks head.
that guy gets insta-ganked the zerg disappears into the mist. realpy’s targets, repeat. Lolz to the commander who gets picked out of his zerg.

I’ve seen it done on a slightly smaller scale, like 7-10 thieves, and it was extremely effective. They kept each other in stealth pretty much all the time except when attacking, and when one or two did get downed the rest went stealth until the group moved on, then they rezzed their buddies and were right back to picking the group apart.

25 Minion master necros. Enemies will run when they see the blob.

If I had 20 slots to fill with any class, and my goal was to burst blobs, I’d pick:

• 6 Warriors
• 4 Guardians
• 2 Mesmers
• 3 Elementalists
• 2 Necromancers
• 1 Ranger
• 1 Thief
• 1 Engineer

Edit: In retrospect those last three classes really server no purpose. Replace them with another 2 Necros and an Elementalist.

Stone.6751:

Singer.8740:

Excalibur.9748:

100% thieves is best

ive seen this done before. 25 thieves. each party puts a target on some shmucks head.
that guy gets insta-ganked the zerg disappears into the mist. realpy’s targets, repeat. Lolz to the commander who gets picked out of his zerg.

I’ve seen it done on a slightly smaller scale, like 7-10 thieves, and it was extremely effective. They kept each other in stealth pretty much all the time except when attacking, and when one or two did get downed the rest went stealth until the group moved on, then they rezzed their buddies and were right back to picking the group apart.

5 warriors do earthshatter……

or

10 guardians press staff autoattack….

i have more .

Prysin.8542:

you’d want atleast 3-4 rangers for high waterfield uptime. Eles should focus on pure DPS and statics.

Right. Full Cleric Bearbow rangers are really an invaluable asset to a group of 20-25. I’d say having at least 5 of them is a must for every guild.
Eles should be full zerker staff eles, build: 10-30-0-10-20. That 5k+ hits are really overkill. I’d say at least 5 in group of 20-25, so that your opponents will melt.
Rest should be either condi thieves for ganking the backline (3-4 should suffice), Engis for more waterfields and aoe stun with supply crate (4), one guardian for stability and one warrior for bannerrez. Lastly, a mesmer (PU mesmer with perplexity and Veil).

This group would be unbeatable

Dee Jay.2460:

If I had 20 slots to fill with any class, and my goal was to burst blobs, I’d pick:

• 6 Warriors
• 4 Guardians
• 2 Mesmers
• 3 Elementalists
• 2 Necromancers
• 1 Ranger
• 1 Thief
• 1 Engineer

Edit: In retrospect those last three classes really server no purpose. Replace them with another 2 Necros and an Elementalist.

A second mesmer doesn’t fill much of a role either. Swap it for another Ele and you’re set.

I usually play with a front line heavy comp, about 5-10 warriors all running warbanner, 3-5 guards, 5 necros, 3-5 eles, 2-3 rangers, a thief or two, and an engi or two.

Thieves have an on demand ranged blast finisher as well as a poison field. Pretty strong for zerging if you ask me.

Necros are also really tanky and can dish out a lot of condition pressure to an entire zerg

This question is even worse than “best 1v1 class”.

2 support guardians and 3 hammer/banner/shout warriors per party. Multiply party by as many as you need. Heavies are all you need and this setup will wreck composite groups.

This setup has tons of heal, stability, max might, loads of control, rezzing, just about every boon imaginable, ridiculous amounts of condition removal, every player has tons of armor, big HP pools and of course DPS is off the chart. The entire setup is even easy to play.

This thread is golden…

Special hugs to the Ranger lovers out there… (hue hue hue). However, I think only a couple of people who have posted have ever actually gone blob busting with a guild raid before…

The Hammer.5960:

This thread is golden…

Special hugs to the Ranger lovers out there… (hue hue hue). However, I think only a couple of people who have posted have ever actually gone blob busting with a guild raid before…

I’d say that even 20 zerker bearbow (with sword/warhorn) rangers could destroy everything. That Barrage! +perma waterfield and blast with warhorn.
And if things get bad, they’ll all vanish in a second thanks to LB #3, deceiving the enemy. They don’t even need veil.

If i have 20….ide take 20 mesmers. Think of the chaos.

hihey.1075:

Prysin.8542:

you’d want atleast 3-4 rangers for high waterfield uptime. Eles should focus on pure DPS and statics.

Right. Full Cleric Bearbow rangers are really an invaluable asset to a group of 20-25. I’d say having at least 5 of them is a must for every guild.
Eles should be full zerker staff eles, build: 10-30-0-10-20. That 5k+ hits are really overkill. I’d say at least 5 in group of 20-25, so that your opponents will melt.
Rest should be either condi thieves for ganking the backline (3-4 should suffice), Engis for more waterfields and aoe stun with supply crate (4), one guardian for stability and one warrior for bannerrez. Lastly, a mesmer (PU mesmer with perplexity and Veil).

This group would be unbeatable

full cleric ranger would stand alone and alive after the rest get wiped.
Dunno why you think the bearbow is awesome. Everyone knows its all about cat’s ’n spiders

wads.5730:

you want atleast half full zerker longbow rangers, its mad deeps, like army of moving arrow carts. and they have bear pets, super tank yo

I would join in on a 25 man Ranger squad just to see it. We could call them All Rangers All the Time [ARAT]. The look on the enemies face would be priceless.

Straegen.2938:

wads.5730:

you want atleast half full zerker longbow rangers, its mad deeps, like army of moving arrow carts. and they have bear pets, super tank yo

I would join in on a 25 man Ranger squad just to see it. We could call them All Rangers All the Time [ARAT]. The look on the enemies face would be priceless.

and their faces after getting wiped by a petting zoo would be even more priceless