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So it’s become pretty apparent that Blackgate is being actively double-teamed by the Tarnished Coast and Jade Quarry. It’s a strategy that they’ve used against us frequently before the tournament, and all you need to do is look at the tournament scores to see when they’re double-teaming us.
In the first round, we faced JQ and TC and soundly beat them 276k to 224k and 240k, respectively.
The next round, we only faced TC of the two, and beat them by 30k.
The third round was when JQ and TC began to double-team us in the tournament, shown by how Blackgate was butchered 168k to Jade Quarry’s 277k and Tarnished Coast’s 258k.
The fourth round, we faced only JQ of the pair, and soundly beat them by 40k.
This pattern continues, as anyone can see by looking at the scores documented on the wiki. It’s clearly shown that Blackgate can win against either team when they are separated and when they aren’t allied against us. I personally don’t care if we get double-teamed in the off-season, because it doesn’t matter. However, it seems rather unfair to me that Blackgate is getting double-teamed during a tournament, where the score amounts to a reward. It’s pretty much impossible for us to win if it isn’t going to be a fair fight.
My main question is:
Does ArenaNet realize this is going on, and if they do, do they plan on doing anything about it? Can they do anything about it? Is it considered fair for unofficial alliances to be formed, or is it an unfair disadvantage because there is no real counter to it?

I was wondering how long it would take for 1 thread to pop up! You guys sure took your time. also inb4 lock

Nothing we can do man, no point crying about it.
JQ/TC match fixed this from the get go to get the JQ(30)/TC(30)/SoS(27) match up in the final week where they can just fight each other for S2 winners.

Lets just hope TC has some balls and tries to change it up at some point in the last few weeks because we all know they can’t can’t beat JQ 1v1 and will come second.

Are they man enough to try push for 1st? Or are they going to be confirmed as JQs little lapdog and settle with 2nd.

What’s the point of 2v1 out out of a tournament? Ib4 lock too, lol

SqueamishMoose.9216:

So it’s become pretty apparent that Blackgate is being actively double-teamed by the Tarnished Coast and Jade Quarry.

Captain Obvious to the rescue!!

My body is ready for another week of reading the forum qq’s

You JUST figured this out now?

Cute.

Get wrecked, BG. <3

Also, yes, ANet is aware of it. They briefly commented about it on their GW2 weekly stream, and said something to the effect that it was an interesting development, to see two servers work out a truce in the game.

The purpose of a 3 way fight is to balance out the “stronger” server in situations like this. That’s why there are 3 sides, not just 2.

Also, everyone’s tired of watching BG winning everything and acting so self-righteous about it. We all want you to lose and we want people like you to finally lose so you can all be brought back down to reality. TC and JQ are double teaming, both servers know this, and we have no shame for doing so.

grats on first post ever on the forums

God, enough with the QQ. By now Anet has heard about it anyway and they’ll likely do nothing about it. Man up and get out there in the field. We don’t care if we lose an unfair fight. I’d rather fight and lose than… this. Or if it upsets you so much, just leave BG, that’ll be a vacation for everybody and we can get back to just doing world v world.

There’s no 2v1. BG needs to learn to ppt.
#BGT

Don’t worry you still have time to transfer to another first place server to get 500 tournament tickets. Seafarers Rest, Henge of Denravi, Gandara, Gates of Madness, and Dzagonur have plenty of room for Blackgate refugees!

IMO, this is an honest reaction to what certainly feels like an unfair fight. BG has dominated because it has been dominant — we won’t apologize for that any more than you’ll apologize for tag teaming. It was only a matter of time until this happened. I personally don’t care if we win or lose, I would just like to have fun playing and there are days where it just isn’t much fun. So I will still trudge into Wv(W+W) and I’ll enjoy the deluge of bags that comes with this 2 on 1 tactic but it would be nice if there was any solution for this to feel remotely competitive.

SqueamishMoose.9216:

So it’s become pretty apparent that Blackgate is being actively double-teamed by the Tarnished Coast and Jade Quarry. It’s a strategy that they’ve used against us frequently before the tournament, and all you need to do is look at the tournament scores to see when they’re double-teaming us.
In the first round, we faced JQ and TC and soundly beat them 276k to 224k and 240k, respectively.
The next round, we only faced TC of the two, and beat them by 30k.
The third round was when JQ and TC began to double-team us in the tournament, shown by how Blackgate was butchered 168k to Jade Quarry’s 277k and Tarnished Coast’s 258k.
The fourth round, we faced only JQ of the pair, and soundly beat them by 40k.
This pattern continues, as anyone can see by looking at the scores documented on the wiki. It’s clearly shown that Blackgate can win against either team when they are separated and when they aren’t allied against us. I personally don’t care if we get double-teamed in the off-season, because it doesn’t matter. However, it seems rather unfair to me that Blackgate is getting double-teamed during a tournament, where the score amounts to a reward. It’s pretty much impossible for us to win if it isn’t going to be a fair fight.
My main question is:
Does ArenaNet realize this is going on, and if they do, do they plan on doing anything about it? Can they do anything about it? Is it considered fair for unofficial alliances to be formed, or is it an unfair disadvantage because there is no real counter to it?

You must be a detective.

SqueamishMoose.9216:

Does ArenaNet realize this is going on, and if they do, do they plan on doing anything about it? Can they do anything about it? Is it considered fair for unofficial alliances to be formed, or is it an unfair disadvantage because there is no real counter to it?

I don’t think Anet has any idea, you should tell all of BG to keep posting about it until they do. Maybe get a letter writing campaign or an online petition going.

ykyk.2740:

SqueamishMoose.9216:

So it’s become pretty apparent that Blackgate is being actively double-teamed by the Tarnished Coast and Jade Quarry. It’s a strategy that they’ve used against us frequently before the tournament, and all you need to do is look at the tournament scores to see when they’re double-teaming us.
In the first round, we faced JQ and TC and soundly beat them 276k to 224k and 240k, respectively.
The next round, we only faced TC of the two, and beat them by 30k.
The third round was when JQ and TC began to double-team us in the tournament, shown by how Blackgate was butchered 168k to Jade Quarry’s 277k and Tarnished Coast’s 258k.
The fourth round, we faced only JQ of the pair, and soundly beat them by 40k.
This pattern continues, as anyone can see by looking at the scores documented on the wiki. It’s clearly shown that Blackgate can win against either team when they are separated and when they aren’t allied against us. I personally don’t care if we get double-teamed in the off-season, because it doesn’t matter. However, it seems rather unfair to me that Blackgate is getting double-teamed during a tournament, where the score amounts to a reward. It’s pretty much impossible for us to win if it isn’t going to be a fair fight.
My main question is:
Does ArenaNet realize this is going on, and if they do, do they plan on doing anything about it? Can they do anything about it? Is it considered fair for unofficial alliances to be formed, or is it an unfair disadvantage because there is no real counter to it?

You must be a detective.

Frankly with that level of skill he’s basically Sherlock Holmes.

The problem isn’t so much BG getting double teamed, but the reason behind it. There’s not enough motivation from the other two T1 servers to play for first, since it’s actually more beneficial to trade wins.

Blame the system

Not to call out the obvious but the lengthy prelude was leading up to a few questions that only one person eluded to answering. Instead of replying with repeated “stop crying” and “you just figured that out?”, maybe answer the questions posed or just ignore this entirely.

Short answer — Anet does know and is unlikely to do anything to balance the tournament.

quite frankly JQ isnt all that hyped up to be in all honesty TC can take the win if they want not saying that TC is all that hyped up to be either but until TC realizes that they are the dog of JQ and that JQ is simply using them well then shame that TC is losing, as far as stacked servers please JQ your as guilty as anyone recruiting way before which btw TY for the 100+ gold
Comon TC your Tarnished by Rall IM SURE you can think of something
Quite frankly its hilarious how each servers work overtime well dunno if BG is but working soo hard for skins that almost everyone will get…and tbh they arnt that GREAT looking…

PH Law.4063:

quite frankly JQ isnt all that hyped up to be in all honesty TC can take the win if they want not saying that TC is all that hyped up to be either but until TC realizes that they are the dog of JQ and that JQ is simply using them well then shame that TC is losing, as far as stacked servers please JQ your as guilty as anyone recruiting way before which btw TY for the 100+ gold
Comon TC your Tarnished by Rall IM SURE you can think of something
Quite frankly its hilarious how each servers work overtime well dunno if BG is but working soo hard for skins that almost everyone will get…and tbh they arnt that GREAT looking…

I think the Code of Conduct states that only English is allowed on these forums. I’m not sure if there’s a forum for gibberish, but it’s not here.

Reverence.6915:

The problem isn’t so much BG getting double teamed, but the reason behind it. There’s not enough motivation from the other two T1 servers to play for first, since it’s actually more beneficial to trade wins.

Blame the system

Doing this 2v1 increases dramatically the chances of both servers getting the first place overall than playing for first in each week. 50% of chance.
If they played for first each week, they would finish in third and fifth. 0% of chance. Both servers are playing for first, but in a way smarter method.

And to be honest, both JQ and TC doesn’t care that much about the win for themselves. 2v1ing BG has a bunch of other reasons.

PH Law.4063:

quite frankly JQ isnt all that hyped up to be in all honesty TC can take the win if they want not saying that TC is all that hyped up to be either but until TC realizes that they are the dog of JQ and that JQ is simply using them well then shame that TC is losing, as far as stacked servers please JQ your as guilty as anyone recruiting way before which btw TY for the 100+ gold
Comon TC your Tarnished by Rall IM SURE you can think of something
Quite frankly its hilarious how each servers work overtime well dunno if BG is but working soo hard for skins that almost everyone will get…and tbh they arnt that GREAT looking…

lolwut? This is english…. right?

lmperdigao.2567:

Reverence.6915:

The problem isn’t so much BG getting double teamed, but the reason behind it. There’s not enough motivation from the other two T1 servers to play for first, since it’s actually more beneficial to trade wins.

Blame the system

Doing this 2v1 increases dramatically the chances of both servers getting the first place overall than playing for first in each week. 50% of chance.
If they played for first each week, they would finish in third and fifth. 0% of chance. Both servers are playing for first, but in a way smarter method.

And to be honest, both JQ and TC doesn’t care that much about the win for themselves. 2v1ing BG has a bunch of other reasons.

Your first point: exactly. The reward system of this season encourages this.

Your last point: other reasons such as..? If it’s any reason other than to win, it’s a petty one. Claiming BG’s forum warriors ticking them off making us deserve a 2v1 is childish at best, considering JQ and TC’s own posturing on the community run site. Claiming BG has superior coverage is also baseless propaganda (first week of seasons, all 3 had more or less full maps until Tuesday – at least BG lost queues then. Before that, BG hadn’t won a matchup in months, well before season 2 was announced).

Well it seem like server unofficial alliances and match manipulation is the way forward. Well done anet now not only you can buy guild you can buy server as well. As if the unbalance is not bad enough. I will wait and see how people will react when unofficial alliances and match manipulation happen on their server. Only by then people will see the problem it create.

blur.7905:

Well it seem like server unofficial alliances and match manipulation is the way forward. Well done anet now not only you can buy guild you can buy server as well. As if the unbalance is not bad enough. I will wait and see how people will react when unofficial alliances and match manipulation happen on their server. Only by then people will see the problem it create.

It won’t happen outside of T1 in NA. It has to have the agreement and cooperation of all major and minor guilds on 2 servers. I think in any other instance, such a meta may have never been created at all.

Working as intended.
Arena Net : “Go play EOTM”.

Reverence.6915:

blur.7905:

Well it seem like server unofficial alliances and match manipulation is the way forward. Well done anet now not only you can buy guild you can buy server as well. As if the unbalance is not bad enough. I will wait and see how people will react when unofficial alliances and match manipulation happen on their server. Only by then people will see the problem it create.

It won’t happen outside of T1 in NA. It has to have the agreement and cooperation of all major and minor guilds on 2 servers. I think in any other instance, such a meta may have never been created at all.

Actually, alliances and match manipulation happen all the time. Not all of them are as consistent or long-lasting as the JQ/TC alliance. But servers in the past have definitely made alliances and manipulated points. The most notable example in recent memory was the YB/EBay alliance last season.

To address blur’s point, it won’t be a problem. Anet has already given the passive okay on this. And it’s unlikely to be maintained offseason, when there’s no motivation to manipulate matches.

Max Fury.4679:

IMO, this is an honest reaction to what certainly feels like an unfair fight. BG has dominated because it has been dominant — we won’t apologize for that any more than you’ll apologize for tag teaming. It was only a matter of time until this happened. I personally don’t care if we win or lose, I would just like to have fun playing and there are days where it just isn’t much fun. So I will still trudge into Wv(W+W) and I’ll enjoy the deluge of bags that comes with this 2 on 1 tactic but it would be nice if there was any solution for this to feel remotely competitive.

Its little things like this that make the rest of the game think the way it does about BG. Whether you mean to or not, when you say BG is dominant, it sounds like you’re saying nobody can match them in skill. That is far from a true statement. For the most part all three T1 servers are pretty equal in the field. Everyone wipes everyone at some point. What BG is dominant in is having more bodies on the maps in certain time zones.

mango.9267:

Reverence.6915:

blur.7905:

Well it seem like server unofficial alliances and match manipulation is the way forward. Well done anet now not only you can buy guild you can buy server as well. As if the unbalance is not bad enough. I will wait and see how people will react when unofficial alliances and match manipulation happen on their server. Only by then people will see the problem it create.

It won’t happen outside of T1 in NA. It has to have the agreement and cooperation of all major and minor guilds on 2 servers. I think in any other instance, such a meta may have never been created at all.

Actually, alliances and match manipulation happen all the time. Not all of them are as consistent or long-lasting as the JQ/TC alliance. But servers in the past have definitely made alliances and manipulated points. The most notable example in recent memory was the YB/EBay alliance last season.

To address blur’s point, it won’t be a problem. Anet has already given the passive okay on this. And it’s unlikely to be maintained offseason, when there’s no motivation to manipulate matches.

The YB and EBay alliance I would say, is similar to the BG/SoR alliance in S1, where we focused down JQ. I’m pretty sure YB and EBay weren’t protecting each other’s structures if they were in danger of being flipped by SBI and karma training SBI’d structures by having 2 map zergs inside a keep and waiting for RI cool down to swap caps

Reverence.6915:

lmperdigao.2567:

Reverence.6915:

The problem isn’t so much BG getting double teamed, but the reason behind it. There’s not enough motivation from the other two T1 servers to play for first, since it’s actually more beneficial to trade wins.

Blame the system

Doing this 2v1 increases dramatically the chances of both servers getting the first place overall than playing for first in each week. 50% of chance.
If they played for first each week, they would finish in third and fifth. 0% of chance. Both servers are playing for first, but in a way smarter method.

And to be honest, both JQ and TC doesn’t care that much about the win for themselves. 2v1ing BG has a bunch of other reasons.

Your first point: exactly. The reward system of this season encourages this.

Your last point: other reasons such as..? If it’s any reason other than to win, it’s a petty one. Claiming BG’s forum warriors ticking them off making us deserve a 2v1 is childish at best, considering JQ and TC’s own posturing on the community run site. Claiming BG has superior coverage is also baseless propaganda (first week of seasons, all 3 had more or less full maps until Tuesday – at least BG lost queues then. Before that, BG hadn’t won a matchup in months, well before season 2 was announced).

Yep. And I personally don’t think that there will ever be a good tournament system. You can’t make a tournament fair or competitive when the entire WvW system isn’t. Tournaments will bring the worst of WvW while WvW still is as it is.

And well, I’ll not type a wall of text about the other reasons. But there’s enough reasons that JQ and TC see each other as opponents, but both see BG as the enemy. And as the other threads showed, people from lower tiers see BG as the big enemy too. It’s something that never happened with another server in the history of NA, even the most dominant ones. Because everybody, including BG, knows why people don’t like them as a WvW server.

mango.9267:

Reverence.6915:

blur.7905:

Well it seem like server unofficial alliances and match manipulation is the way forward. Well done anet now not only you can buy guild you can buy server as well. As if the unbalance is not bad enough. I will wait and see how people will react when unofficial alliances and match manipulation happen on their server. Only by then people will see the problem it create.

It won’t happen outside of T1 in NA. It has to have the agreement and cooperation of all major and minor guilds on 2 servers. I think in any other instance, such a meta may have never been created at all.

Actually, alliances and match manipulation happen all the time. Not all of them are as consistent or long-lasting as the JQ/TC alliance. But servers in the past have definitely made alliances and manipulated points. The most notable example in recent memory was the YB/EBay alliance last season.

To address blur’s point, it won’t be a problem. Anet has already given the passive okay on this. And it’s unlikely to be maintained offseason, when there’s no motivation to manipulate matches.

Well good to know that manipulate matches only happen during season. I don’t really care about season reward.

BG, easy mode players are so cute. Ah, the new generation of MMO players that think they should get everything for free. It is so sweet when things do not go their way. Anet brought 3-way fights back, Tyvm Anet, not since daoc has Open world fights been so fun. TY anet, for allowing the smaller servers to tame the loose lipped ignorant kids, once again.

It’s a 2v1 because it is the only way for JQ and TC to beat BG. Not the soft 2v1 where you have a mutual understanding of when and who to focus on, as with BG + TC and BG + SoS, but a real 2v1 where 2 servers are free to stand next to each other or back up each other’s zerg groups. Despite all the cries of “we only want BG tears” or “BG = stackgate”, it all boils down to the fact that this is the ONLY viable option for JQ or TC to have a chance at 1st place. Also because it’s sweet revenge for being stomped in Season 1.

One thing you’ll never see is a commander from neither TC or JQ claiming that their server can match BG in manpower, coverage, tactics, or discipline/cooperation of individual players.

Eitherway, I’m getting my weapon skin.

Zhrek.9781:

BG, easy mode players are so cute. Ah, the new generation of MMO players that think they should get everything for free. It is so sweet when things do not go their way. Anet brought 3-way fights back, Tyvm Anet, not since daoc has Open world fights been so fun. TY anet, for allowing the smaller servers tame the loose lipped ignorant kids, once again.

Smaller servers? It is funny that JQ and TC consider themselves as smaller server. All 3 server are of about the same size. It is the amount of skilled player and teamwork that is unbalance.

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blur.7905:

Zhrek.9781:

BG, easy mode players are so cute. Ah, the new generation of MMO players that think they should get everything for free. It is so sweet when things do not go their way. Anet brought 3-way fights back, Tyvm Anet, not since daoc has Open world fights been so fun. TY anet, for allowing the smaller servers tame the loose lipped ignorant kids, once again.

Smaller servers? It is funny that JQ and TC consider themselves as smaller server. All 3 server are of about the same size. It is the amount of skilled player and teamwork that is unbalance.

If that was the case BG would of always been behind SOR, Sor ran them over non stop. Coverage beat SOR

Niko Stark.8932:

It’s a 2v1 because it is the only way for JQ and TC to beat BG. Not the soft 2v1 where you have a mutual understanding of when and who to focus on, as with BG + TC and BG + SoS, but a real 2v1 where 2 servers are free to stand next to each other or back up each other’s zerg groups. Despite all the cries of “we only want BG tears” or “BG = stackgate”, it all boils down to the fact that this is the ONLY viable option for JQ or TC to have a chance at 1st place. Also because it’s sweet revenge for being stomped in Season 1.

One thing you’ll never see is a commander from neither TC or JQ claiming that their server can match BG in manpower, coverage, tactics, or discipline/cooperation of individual players.

Eitherway, I’m getting my weapon skin.

I think most will agree that TC and JQ cannot match BG’s coverage especially the last minute overstacking BG did before season started. I’ve also heard that BG has also recently recruited [GODS] from FA , and I believe they are able to enter wvw either last week or this week. The stacking just doesn’t stop unless other servers do something about it.

Zhrek.9781:

blur.7905:

Zhrek.9781:

BG, easy mode players are so cute. Ah, the new generation of MMO players that think they should get everything for free. It is so sweet when things do not go their way. Anet brought 3-way fights back, Tyvm Anet, not since daoc has Open world fights been so fun. TY anet, for allowing the smaller servers tame the loose lipped ignorant kids, once again.

Smaller servers? It is funny that JQ and TC consider themselves as smaller server. All 3 server are of about the same size. It is the amount of skilled player and teamwork that is unbalance.

If that was the case BG would always be in last, and would of never beat SOR, Sor ran them over non stop. Coverage beat SOR

Well i dont know about SOR but it sure seem that BG TC and JQ have same coverage base on week one.

blur.7905:

Zhrek.9781:

blur.7905:

Zhrek.9781:

BG, easy mode players are so cute. Ah, the new generation of MMO players that think they should get everything for free. It is so sweet when things do not go their way. Anet brought 3-way fights back, Tyvm Anet, not since daoc has Open world fights been so fun. TY anet, for allowing the smaller servers tame the loose lipped ignorant kids, once again.

Smaller servers? It is funny that JQ and TC consider themselves as smaller server. All 3 server are of about the same size. It is the amount of skilled player and teamwork that is unbalance.

If that was the case BG would always be in last, and would of never beat SOR, Sor ran them over non stop. Coverage beat SOR

Well i dont know about SOR but it sure seem that BG TC and JQ have same coverage base on week one.

Oh, you must of be new to blackgate, case and point.

blur.7905:

Zhrek.9781:

BG, easy mode players are so cute. Ah, the new generation of MMO players that think they should get everything for free. It is so sweet when things do not go their way. Anet brought 3-way fights back, Tyvm Anet, not since daoc has Open world fights been so fun. TY anet, for allowing the smaller servers tame the loose lipped ignorant kids, once again.

Smaller servers? It is funny that JQ and TC consider themselves as smaller server. All 3 server are of about the same size. It is the amount of skilled player and teamwork that is unbalance.

Every NA server has at least 1 glaring coverage hole. BG is the only server without a coverage hole, hence, the reason why everyone (except BG) agrees that BG has the best coverage out of all NA servers.

Reverence.6915:

mango.9267:

Reverence.6915:

blur.7905:

Well it seem like server unofficial alliances and match manipulation is the way forward. Well done anet now not only you can buy guild you can buy server as well. As if the unbalance is not bad enough. I will wait and see how people will react when unofficial alliances and match manipulation happen on their server. Only by then people will see the problem it create.

It won’t happen outside of T1 in NA. It has to have the agreement and cooperation of all major and minor guilds on 2 servers. I think in any other instance, such a meta may have never been created at all.

Actually, alliances and match manipulation happen all the time. Not all of them are as consistent or long-lasting as the JQ/TC alliance. But servers in the past have definitely made alliances and manipulated points. The most notable example in recent memory was the YB/EBay alliance last season.

To address blur’s point, it won’t be a problem. Anet has already given the passive okay on this. And it’s unlikely to be maintained offseason, when there’s no motivation to manipulate matches.

The YB and EBay alliance I would say, is similar to the BG/SoR alliance in S1, where we focused down JQ. I’m pretty sure YB and EBay weren’t protecting each other’s structures if they were in danger of being flipped by SBI and karma training SBI’d structures by having 2 map zergs inside a keep and waiting for RI cool down to swap caps

To my understanding, that’s exactly what happened. YB and EBay protected each other and only hit SBI. When YB had enough of a lead, they purposely gave up their structures to EBay and let EBay gain enough points to overtake SBI, putting SBI into third.

blur.7905:

Zhrek.9781:

blur.7905:

Zhrek.9781:

BG, easy mode players are so cute. Ah, the new generation of MMO players that think they should get everything for free. It is so sweet when things do not go their way. Anet brought 3-way fights back, Tyvm Anet, not since daoc has Open world fights been so fun. TY anet, for allowing the smaller servers tame the loose lipped ignorant kids, once again.

Smaller servers? It is funny that JQ and TC consider themselves as smaller server. All 3 server are of about the same size. It is the amount of skilled player and teamwork that is unbalance.

If that was the case BG would always be in last, and would of never beat SOR, Sor ran them over non stop. Coverage beat SOR

Well i dont know about SOR but it sure seem that BG TC and JQ have same coverage base on week one.

Are you new to T1?

mango.9267:

Reverence.6915:

mango.9267:

Reverence.6915:

blur.7905:

Well it seem like server unofficial alliances and match manipulation is the way forward. Well done anet now not only you can buy guild you can buy server as well. As if the unbalance is not bad enough. I will wait and see how people will react when unofficial alliances and match manipulation happen on their server. Only by then people will see the problem it create.

It won’t happen outside of T1 in NA. It has to have the agreement and cooperation of all major and minor guilds on 2 servers. I think in any other instance, such a meta may have never been created at all.

Actually, alliances and match manipulation happen all the time. Not all of them are as consistent or long-lasting as the JQ/TC alliance. But servers in the past have definitely made alliances and manipulated points. The most notable example in recent memory was the YB/EBay alliance last season.

To address blur’s point, it won’t be a problem. Anet has already given the passive okay on this. And it’s unlikely to be maintained offseason, when there’s no motivation to manipulate matches.

The YB and EBay alliance I would say, is similar to the BG/SoR alliance in S1, where we focused down JQ. I’m pretty sure YB and EBay weren’t protecting each other’s structures if they were in danger of being flipped by SBI and karma training SBI’d structures by having 2 map zergs inside a keep and waiting for RI cool down to swap caps

To my understanding, that’s exactly what happened. YB and EBay protected each other and only hit SBI. When YB had enough of a lead, they purposely gave up their structures to EBay and let EBay gain enough points to overtake SBI, putting SBI into third.

I see this a lot in T1 matches too. In week 1 Season 2, when the 2v1 was on JQ, both TC and BG were in JQ’s garrison avoiding each other. One server was blocking JQ from entering garrison with siege while the other server was trying to cap garrison. When the garrison was capped, both sides cheered and one server would leave. In this scenario, one server is basically defending to allow the other server to cap. Match manipulation?

During the SOS/JQ/BG match when the 2v1 was on JQ, BG was constantly defending SOS’s structures to prevent JQ from capping to gain points to take 2nd place. BG zergs would literally camp next to SOS towers just to defend them for SOS when they could have easily taken the towers for themselves. Match manipulation?

These 2v1 scenarios happen ALL THE TIME so I’m not sure why there are threads after threads asking anet’s intervention since it’s happening to a particular server.

jojojoon.8607:

blur.7905:

Zhrek.9781:

blur.7905:

Zhrek.9781:

BG, easy mode players are so cute. Ah, the new generation of MMO players that think they should get everything for free. It is so sweet when things do not go their way. Anet brought 3-way fights back, Tyvm Anet, not since daoc has Open world fights been so fun. TY anet, for allowing the smaller servers tame the loose lipped ignorant kids, once again.

Smaller servers? It is funny that JQ and TC consider themselves as smaller server. All 3 server are of about the same size. It is the amount of skilled player and teamwork that is unbalance.

If that was the case BG would always be in last, and would of never beat SOR, Sor ran them over non stop. Coverage beat SOR

Well i dont know about SOR but it sure seem that BG TC and JQ have same coverage base on week one.

Are you new to T1?

I have played in bg for both season 1 and 2. Every server including BG have time slot that have lesser player. Sometime we have lesser player on map compare to JQ or TC. I don’t think coverage is a big problem for season 2. Maybe for season 1.

Niko Stark.8932:

It’s a 2v1 because it is the only way for JQ and TC to beat BG. Not the soft 2v1 where you have a mutual understanding of when and who to focus on, as with BG + TC and BG + SoS, but a real 2v1 where 2 servers are free to stand next to each other or back up each other’s zerg groups. Despite all the cries of “we only want BG tears” or “BG = stackgate”, it all boils down to the fact that this is the ONLY viable option for JQ or TC to have a chance at 1st place. Also because it’s sweet revenge for being stomped in Season 1.

One thing you’ll never see is a commander from neither TC or JQ claiming that their server can match BG in manpower, coverage, tactics, or discipline/cooperation of individual players.

Eitherway, I’m getting my weapon skin.

Explain to me how anyone got stomped S1 when W1 someone got 2v1 with BG being in the 2 and the only time the 3 T1 servers matched up in one week was W1 and the last week when SoR already fell apart. Never knew stomping T2 servers was an accomplishment to BG. clapclap #bglogic

I don’t think there’s any collusion, it’s just that BG yield the easiest bags so naturally both JQ and TC want to farm the weakest server.

CuRtoKy.8576:

Explain to me how anyone got stomped S1 when W1 someone got 2v1 with BG being in the 2 and the only time the 3 T1 servers matched up in one week was W1 and the last week when SoR already fell apart. Never knew stomping T2 servers was an accomplishment to BG. clapclap #bglogic

BG 2v1ing JQ = BG stomping.

JQ 2v1ing BG = the end of life on this planet as we know it.

lol all this fighting about 2 vs 1 if JQ and TC wanna go overtime working their butts off for skins that everyone from 1st place to 4th place can obtain then so be it~ and as for BG defending SoS please JQ you had it coming, boohoo your TC wasnt there to help you out, it was just a bit of fun really

blur.7905:

I don’t think.

I’m paraphrasing here, but I believe I more succinctly summed up your post for you.

SFShinigami.2015:

when you say BG is dominant, it sounds like you’re saying nobody can match them in skill. That is far from a true statement. For the most part all three T1 servers are pretty equal in the field. Everyone wipes everyone at some point.

True, but my experience of reset – when pops are equal – does not reflect a ‘pretty equal’ assessment.

PH Law.4063:

lol all this fighting about 2 vs 1 if JQ and TC wanna go overtime working their butts off for skins that everyone from 1st place to 4th place can obtain then so be it~ and as for BG defending SoS please JQ you had it coming, boohoo your TC wasnt there to help you out, it was just a bit of fun really

Man, if that was the case! JQ forum warriors should of been spamming Anet to change the Meta of the game to make it fair. Jeez, we can’t have a 2v1 in a 3 realm game.