Guild Wars 2

@Same : every VS player that knows WvW isn’t complaining, wasn’t complaining, and won’t be complaining. We know how the game works and what you said is so true : We are far from the most skilled (i’d say it’s AS) but we are consistent and we play the long term.

All in all, don’t pay attention to some random big mouthed forum players.
cheers from Vizu

Tygra.4570:

@Same : every VS player that knows WvW isn’t complaining, wasn’t complaining, and won’t be complaining. We know how the game works and what you said is so true : We are far from the most skilled (i’d say it’s AS) but we are consistent and we play the long term.

All in all, don’t pay attention to some random big mouthed forum players.
cheers from Vizu

This! <3

tita.6358:

murtas.2417:

Kayato.9178:

Aksovar.7321:

Kayato.9178:

I hope seaferest not going as Desolation when the Americans will leave their server. Americans will soon get tired of beating the wood.

I truely doubt that gaining / losing american guilds makes the difference.

Desolation said the same thing. We will see, but what we mainly see during night is full zerg of Armerican

The difference is, PRX didnt tank a falling server and put it back on T1 by themselves.
Actually it was set in stone that we would go to T1 sooner or later, after 2 crushing victories in T2.
We don’t rely on PRX.

On the other hand they will have surely a huge impact in our server performance, inregards to covering our off-time aswell providing more quality and numbers.

If they will be a huge player on SFR? Sure, they would be anywhere they would go.
If they are the solo reason why we have 16k+ in the first 12h of the match? Hell no, not even close.

You are just trying to descredit our community effort and the guilds that have always fought night after night without caring about the overall score, being nightcapped day after day without jumping ship ever.
The winning trail is on our side now, we are grabbing it and not letting go.

blablabla we already know the song new T1 guy. we got it from Deso and Blacktide with Ruin and Xaoc.

yes PRX is carrying you.
VS has a 18/24h coverage. PRX raiding time is exactly the 6 hours we have everyone sleeping 0h00 – 6h00
be ready to get seriously bored PRX: you won’t have any opponents in these hours we won’t do it this time; We prefer to sleep.

I hope you like doors and Quaggans
you are warned: “Operation Boredom” launched.

LOL to VZ claiming they have no 00-06 coverage.
Maybe your strat this week is to call your nightforce to sleep so you win by boring your enemies. Typical blueball EVE strategy.

Should I be impressed?

From a SFR player: gratz to RG, they really are amazing.

Besides the flame war I have to say GG to you all (VS, SFR, BT), well fought so far.

Genev.2450:

SFR has never been short of forum warriors.
Though the usual suspects are absent so far :p

That is because i transfered to Piken Square already predicting a boring match up since apparently the new “WvWvW” meta is to leave the WvW fields so you can make the opposition think that they have it easy and become slacky or just stop doing WvW since its boring.

Its quite funny actually to see that whenever a new challenger shows up and things can finally become exiting again everyone suddenly does not show in WvW. To bad that knowing SFR they will take and dominate for quite a long time not really caring of your new “meta” strategy. Because the main guilds fighting now are the ones who put SFR in Tier 2 when we were medium populated, and are the same guilds who called up on server community meeting when we got beaten down, and are the same ones who kept fighting day after day despite winning or losing. Ofcourse we got a influx of new guilds and helped up, but the main “new” ones are already part of the community and already integrated in working together with other older guilds, bringing people from different guilds into their groups and ts3. We’ll see how it turns out.

Good luck for you all there, just to bad that the new “meta” set up by VZ and BT is just idiotic and i rather play lower tiers with actual fighting

There is no meta.
I heard BT lost a lot of people, i know VS is tired and every new opponent is stronger. If we can’t score at night it is because we don’t have what it takes, not because we don’t want to.
VS fights with its spirit, and will never let go a battle !
Cheers

murtas.2417:

LOL to VZ claiming they have no 00-06 coverage.
Maybe your strat this week is to call your nightforce to sleep so you win by boring your enemies. Typical blueball EVE strategy.

Should I be impressed?

VZ have decent nighttime coverage. And more important – they have decent 24h coverage, with usual peak at EU primetime. If you manage to keep up with them, you probably win, because overall quality of VZ zergs far from ideal, but if you leave significant hole in your WvW time schedule, they beat you by score and map control. We cant compete with them anymore at morning-daytime, because Xaoc is nearly fall apart atm (we lost 1/2-2/3 of active players, large chunk of command line and morning team), and other BT guilds are more EU primetime and cannot switch schedule to compensate lost time coverage.

Genev.2450:

SFR has never been short of forum warriors.
Nobody serious in this tier will have any problems with nightcapping and the game being 24/7 or anything, it’s simply an amusing waiting game of “How long will they stay after they win” and their reasoning seems to be the same as RUIN’s “We beat US, let’s beat EU even though there’s no other large American communities there to put up a fight”.

Ruin never “beat” the US servers. They were Tier 1 with an alliance, but they didn’t dominate Tier 1.

PRX has an amazing win/loss record due to their guild discipline AND the coordination they have with other guilds. They have been primetime US since launch with other guilds helping to nightcap for them. I’m sure they just want to return the favor to prove they can do the same. No guild has done what PRX has in GW2, not even close. They don’t instantly jump ship and they don’t join a tier 1 server, they join a server that has promise, but needs a little motivation.

Say what you want about if night capping is fair or not, but it happens all the time. Several US servers have 24/7 coverage, go join them if you want to fight a “fair” fight.

Good luck and have fun all !!!

@DeLLy : I’d say lots of VS guilds have done what PRX did, or really close. But on EU ranking. To be honest i’d even say that VS pugs did what PRX did. Staying on top since 3 months.
;)

Same.4687:

You guys should get off your stupid high horse and come to terms with the fact that you are not the most skilled server but are the most consistent one.

True. But not all people care about the same type of skill.

For many ppl, the most important is the individual skill: having fast reflexes and fingers, pushing the right buttons at the right times to dodge or kill someone, that kind of stuff that – even if it’s not that useful on the long run – is momentarily fun (who doesn’t like to stomp an enemy in the face?).

Other people, like me and apparently most of SFR, consider that server skill is more important. Everyone, including our “randoms” know their classes well, how they synergize with others and what to do in WvW, that’s why it’s very easy to be in a group with non-guildies.

For example, in the past few weeks (so, also against BB, ER, Millers and Deso) there haven’t been that many SFR guild-groups because we’re often winning so badly that organizing in such a way is not needed and almost spoils the fun (this is, after all, a game)

We may not be the best individually (I certainly am not), but when we get together we have very cohesive groups. Imo that kind of discipline, hard work, group fighting spirit and perseverance are skills. After all, this is not sPvP, this is mass, open world, siege PvP. Armies win wars, not soldiers.

I’m quite happy with not being the world’s greatest player but being in a tier one server with my comrades.

This relates to my main “disappointment” so far, most VS (and some BT) are too focused in individual gains… many of them are thief or elementalist with glass-cannon builds and are WAY easy to kill (sure, thief stealths almost at will, but he’ll eventually reappear/some AoE takes care of it). I am a fully support oriented guardian and I feel like a DPS machine when hitting most enemies :P

Anyway, awesome matchup so far^^

If you want to complain, point your finger to A.net which makes live a patch of new contents at the same time of matchup reset, and I’m not talking about IRL week-end stuffs.

Anyway, It’s redundant each time a new server reach T1. It’s redbulled first week, keeping motivation up enough the next one then getting bored or falling apart on thirdth.

No really, stop complaining or wharever about actual SFR domination. Such a debate is misplaced.

On VS, we got outmanned buff on all BL but EB all day long. Trust me, it’s not because PrX or SFR managed to dominate us. You can find thousand reasons for WvW desertification, like Christmas is coming and people need to think about other stuffs then GW2 or ingame winter event or tiredness or swimming pool or whatever. But not because PrX nightcap or SFR are scaring us. I assume it goes pretty the same for BT.

So enjoy good fights you can find out and be sure better WvW days are coming.

Already had a lot of fun against RG. Really fun to fight such good battles on pretty even conditions. Can say they’re the best GW2 guild I’ve had the honor to meet on the battlefield. We have stood less chance against a select few other guilds but that’s only cause they half-fill a Borderland and run around in a huge blob, it’s not about quality then, only quantity and organization.

Nice fights so far.

And why is SFR winning? Simple they got the biggest armies. And they all have hardcore wvw professions (thief, bunker warrior, bunker ele, bunker guard, pet tank ranger, all the usual ‘i wan’t the easiest profession to kill ppl in wvw’ choices). And SFR has the same playstyle as vizunah. “Always move in a zerg”.

In the 60+ zergs we couldnt beat you guys. (don’t care, we were only 40, and smashes 9 bodies on the ground), in small fight (the few that happen after zerg scatter), you guys lost most of the time.

Basically SFR is the most populated wvw server. Once boredom kicks in (Blacktide was leading, now they are down because lot of people bored).

And maybe SFR wins for the coming two months But after that everyone will hate t1, and even SFR will be bored (no enemies, no fight, and that’s what a 500 vs 300 man situation server causes).

Anyway for now (weekend) we are holding our own. In the week i’m sure we will be crushed, but I don’t care. Only EB matters to me, borderlands are boring (run run run, crap overzerged, run run run, crap overzerged, maybe a few supply caps but that’s it – taking keep after keep (or tower) is way more fun in EB). And if i only count EB score, SFR is loosing quite heavy. They manage to rush the battlefield, but after that they get crushed themself. Good to see ‘zerg only’-hardcore wvw servers, still make mistakes. And when you make your next SFR, i’ll be there to defeat you. (300 kills today, the more the better).

Edit: And to those that say, i’m ‘acting i’m the best’, i’m not. I died 15 times yesterday. The first time i met SFR I underestimated their teamwork. By changing my strategy, and being even more carefull, also changed my build, I did much better. Wasn’t defeated often, while getting loads of kills. But there is way better players then me out there. (Daphoenix for instance, best ele in the world).

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Nice fights so far.

And why is SFR winning? Simple they got the biggest armies. And they all have hardcore wvw professions (thief, bunker warrior, bunker ele, bunker guard, pet tank ranger, all the usual ‘i wan’t the easiest profession to kill ppl in wvw’ choices). And SFR has the same playstyle as vizunah. “Always move in a zerg”.

In the 60+ zergs we couldnt beat you guys. (don’t care, we were only 40, and smashes 9 bodies on the ground), in small fight (the few that happen after zerg scatter), you guys lost most of the time.

Basically SFR is the most populated wvw server. Once boredom kicks in (Blacktide was leading, now they are down because lot of people bored).

And maybe SFR wins for the coming two months But after that everyone will hate t1, and even SFR will be bored (no enemies, no fight, and that’s what a 500 vs 300 man situation server causes).

Anyway for now (weekend) we are holding our own. In the week i’m sure we will be crushed, but I don’t care. Only EB matters to me, borderlands are boring (run run run, crap overzerged, run run run, crap overzerged, maybe a few supply caps but that’s it – taking keep after keep (or tower) is way more fun in EB). And if i only count EB score, SFR is loosing quite heavy. They manage to rush the battlefield, but after that they get crushed themself. Good to see ‘zerg only’-hardcore wvw servers, still make mistakes. And when you make your next SFR, i’ll be there to defeat you. (300 kills today, the more the better).

same old speech from a player who thinks he is better than everyone else. You havent even seen how we move yet. Its still the weekend. We are a different ball game in the week days as only the part time players do WvW on weekends

SFR had been ramping itself up for what we were told would be an epic battle between the best of the best. All i find by those who give a damn about the qq boards is excuses so far

Maybe SFR had over estimated its opponents

Ive been on SFR since day one. I had fought the masses of the xaoc night cappers when our offpeak was at about 40 people across all bg all spread out

We always used to beat you prime time. Now we can beat you primetime and night time. And after that night capping you did to us in that tier, I will do my best to get all the folk i know to go super hard on BT because of it

SFR is a strong server with 24 hours coverage, thanks to US guilds who settled on it.

That mean SFR will win that week, but is it still the “euro” ladder ? We need US guilds too. but as we have a “FR” tag, none will come. (and no, there’s no french canadians on servers, or at least they are very few).

But .. we are still here, the only server with a single timezone to be still on T1 and the only server who are on since nearly the begining.

I’m proud of my server mates. They will never give up.

But you all are french which means that you are like one huge guild so you can keep +400 whole day if you want.

There are 5 [FR] worlds

Webley.1295:

We always used to beat you prime time.

SFR always liked myths and this is one of them posted regularly. Blacktide beat SFR in prime time. Check the history on that French website if you need.
Myth #2.. prime time. There is no such thing. SFR once beat BT during “prime time” months and months ago, when BT had zero players at that hour. I think just about any EU server would have beat BT at “prime time” back then.

WvW is pretty much a game of numbers and off-time battles. If your server is better at that you’ll win. Not because you’re more skilled. Also, prime time is the least important time for winning WvW.

I can’t believe after few months of WvW people are still feeling “proud” their server beat someone.

Angelyne.2936:

SFR is a strong server with 24 hours coverage, thanks to US guilds who settled on it.

That mean SFR will win that week, but is it still the “euro” ladder ? We need US guilds too. but as we have a “FR” tag, none will come. (and no, there’s no french canadians on servers, or at least they are very few).

But .. we are still here, the only server with a single timezone to be still on T1 and the only server who are on since nearly the begining.

I’m proud of my server mates. They will never give up.

We have just ONE US guild, a quite large guild but still its just one guild.

Ianervan.3415:

Webley.1295:

SFR always liked myths and this is one of them posted regularly. Blacktide beat SFR in prime time. Check the history on that French website if you need.
Myth #2.. prime time. There is no such thing. SFR once beat BT during “prime time” months and months ago, when BT had zero players at that hour. I think just about any EU server would have beat BT at “prime time” back then.

WvW is pretty much a game of numbers and off-time battles. If your server is better at that you’ll win. Not because you’re more skilled. Also, prime time is the least important time for winning WvW.

I can’t believe after few months of WvW people are still feeling “proud” their server beat someone.

Sorry my mistake, BT are the best and always will be. When they beat everyone it was a really good fight and they were skilled, but when they loose its because they didnt have enough numbers. KK thanks. Got it.

I like BT.

Their groups are usually tiny which makes for very nice skirmishes.

Vizunah…

I haven’t seen a group of them with less than 10 members (they do have a few upscaled solo players though), and they’re usually far bigger than that. There’s no fighting whatsoever, just spamming and hoping a thief doesn’t murder you through the culling. On the other hand my reflect trait becomes hilarious when focused fired.

… Nah, BT is still more fun

- SFR roamer

So many excuses and passive agressive attitude from BT players. I remember our last machup when you beat SFR. On your high horses….with all your new WTJ guilds..telling us to stop crying…to get more players…more coverage.

OH THE IRONY!

Webley.1295:

Sorry my mistake, BT are the best and always will be. When they beat everyone it was a really good fight and they were skilled, but when they loose its because they didnt have enough numbers. KK thanks. Got it.

No you didn’t get anything, you’re living in your own world and arguing with yourself. Unlike you and those like you, BT did not have egomania problems. So spare me, I played half of my GW2 time on SFR and half on BT and I’m well familiar with both servers. And since I’m not even playing this silly game right now I could care less about all this, but I don’t like the myths and trash talk. Myth #3: “BT was saying they won because they were skilled”. Really, can you make one single post without lies and deceit and twisting of words? Ask anyone on BT why BT won and they’ll tell you what I told you. But with SFR it’s always “oooh we’re super skilled”. So what, so are some people and guilds on BT, but it’s not what wins the war, and besides “skill” is really shallow term in GW2.

Anyway, not wasting more time replying to malicious posts.

Ah yes, was wondering how long it would take for the usual suspects to come out to play.
Still believe you guys beat us primetime last time? So cute.

Enjoy your glorious victory over us, you’re sure beating the evil monster BT there!

Genev.2450:

Ah yes, was wondering how long it would take for the usual suspects to come out to play.
Still believe you guys beat us primetime last time? So cute.

Enjoy your glorious victory over us, you’re sure beating the evil monster BT there!

Q.E.D

P.S: Genev, you spam these forums and even the ones on gw2guru more than anyone else from SFR. You mentioning ’ the usual supects’ and ‘forum warriors’ is beyond ironic.

See you on the battlefield.

You got all that (good for you!) and are still complaining, i have absolutely no reason to actually be nice to you. I’m just kinda expecting more of the same on the forums as last time, regardless of the actual score.

VS is always nice though, When are you guys updating the joy of wvw gifs?

Edit: I’m injured in RL and am unable to do much else than stay at home, it makes me a rather grumpy person and the forums are always so useful for taking it out on people.
Doesn’t make SFR less whiny though.

Double edit: I was also wondering how long it would take somebody to point out how much i post, actually took longer than i expected it to take.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Nice fights so far.

And why is SFR winning? Simple they got the biggest armies. And they all have hardcore wvw professions (thief, bunker warrior, bunker ele, bunker guard, pet tank ranger, all the usual ‘i wan’t the easiest profession to kill ppl in wvw’ choices). And SFR has the same playstyle as vizunah. “Always move in a zerg”.

As opposed to everyone else that just randomly stuff skills into the skillbar, pick up a bundle plank as a weapon and don’t consider talents? This is more an insult to your fellow team mates.

I played this saturday on SFR BL. We were 3-4 commanders coming to a map under heavy pressure from both sides. Each commander had about 10-15 players each. We spread out, communicated during the whole day, and wadda ya know. We took the entire map and got some good training against the Breakout Event from both sides.

No zergs, no nightcappers, on saturday day time when most are off work.
Granted, I did enjoy the fights against Xaoc and XT are quickly becoming my favorite opposition.

You know that Phoebe Ascension is a transfer after Blacktide became the number 1 server right ? Wow some people are getting hook line and sinker in this thread.

Congrats to SFR on this weeks win. However, I would like to see how long you stay in tier 1. you are currently facing worn out servers, many guilds and people are not playing GW2 atm due to burn out. If you manage to avoid the burnout phase and keep strong then and only then will you prove yourselves, like Vizunah and Arborstone and unlike Blacktide. I’m hoping people will return to Blacktide in the future so you can experience what we had, but its looking unlikely.

A real match up would be if all 3 servers were fighting with ALL the WvW people on each server. I forsee a similar thing happening to SFR which happened to Blacktide. Maybe im wrong but give it 4-5 weeks and we will see. The first signs of burnout are when several guilds " take a week long break". For your sakes try to avoid doing so, at least all at the one time.

While it is good to see a new server rising to the top im wondering if GW2 will become a flavour of the month server win. You win for a few weeks, burn out and then a new server shows up to take the win and the cycle continues. Time will tell.

GG SFR epic lvl to use exploit bug!

(on cbe)

@Ascata, There’s no point in saying that, even if u had any proof, just report the man and keep it to yourself. One moron aint gonna represent a whole GU and even more a server.

The only thing your doing, is harm to your own server…

Ianervan.3415:

Webley.1295:

We always used to beat you prime time.

SFR always liked myths and this is one of them posted regularly. Blacktide beat SFR in prime time. Check the history on that French website if you need.

Checked: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/9/5

SFR seem to win during EU-prime time 5 out of 7 days. As you can see at around 2-4 am is when BT starts getting a huge amount of points.

It’s good to see BT back to whiny. Though having that ironic it seems he receive merely one punishment.

So far I noticed the battle from Elona Reach was better. Or actually the current SFR has to play better against ER. But then WvWvW wasn’t really a competitive game to begin with it.

saVdoom.2067:

Ianervan.3415:

Webley.1295:

We always used to beat you prime time.

SFR always liked myths and this is one of them posted regularly. Blacktide beat SFR in prime time. Check the history on that French website if you need.

Checked: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/9/5

SFR seem to win during EU-prime time 5 out of 7 days. As you can see at around 2-4 am is when BT starts getting a huge amount of points.

Thanks dude for linking up the same facts which I was referring to

That [CIR] guy thinks he is like the voice of blacktide or somthing and rates his posts above everyone elses like he has some sort of repertoire with the BT players

He seems to just linger in the forums waiting for the next post to troll

saVdoom.2067:

Checked: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/9/5

SFR seem to win during EU-prime time 5 out of 7 days. As you can see at around 2-4 am is when BT starts getting a huge amount of points.

Lolwut? Do you even watch at graphic at your link?
Day 1 – BT lead almost all day, SFR lead at night.
Day 2 – BT lead almost all day, near 23h-0h SF takes lead again.
Day 3 – SF lead night and morning, BT lead all time after.
Day 4 – same.
Day 5 – same.
Day 6 – after BT reach 90k leadership and begin play for fun, SFR finally manage to get upper hand at primetime score.
Day 7 – BT doesn’t cap anything seriously, SFR on lead.
So i see SFR dominate only at nightcap field (or then BT was not play seriously at all). If this is their “primetime”, then sure, they beat us in primetime, lol.
P.S. Everyone who wans see real situation from BT POV – set your PC clock at UTC+4 (russian time), then refresh MOS graph. It’s really fun to see all those great SFR forum warriors starting to lead only after majority of BT players leave to sleep.

Rednik.3809:

So i see SFR dominate only at nightcap field (or then BT was not play seriously at all). If this is their “primetime”, then sure, they beat us in primetime, lol.
P.S. Everyone who wans see real situation from BT POV – set your PC clock at UTC+4 (russian time), then refresh MOS graph. It’s really fun to see all those great SFR forum warriors starting to lead only after majority of BT players leave to sleep.

Like this weekend ? In any case we will see Friday the result (that kitten graph is from a different server SFR is a bit changed now).
Hope for you to do not be Kitten by forum warrior’s.

See you on Battlefield you can find me with OSC TAG

Genev.2450:

When are you guys updating the joy of wvw gifs?

We’ll do it during the week, our new ennemies are giving us plenty of ideas. We’ll link it

Xaoc was the only guild that impressed me from BT in previous matches. The SFR community have been working hard and we have gotten a lot of new, better commanders since then. People have been getting a lot better at organizing WvW, and I think that is where our strenght lies.

There is a reason guilds have been flocking to us, it’s because we pulled our kitten together and worked hard to improve.

I say we stop kittening about numbers. Yes, they play a huge role in WvW. And the better community will pull more people and organize them well. Getting the numbers is a feat in its own way.

So this is what the T1 matchup thread is about? Going all kitten crying about whatever?
Instead of congratulating each other on great fights and encounters and tactics? Kitten fight? …

Puh… Kitten fights isn’t my thing, mainly since I don’t have a kitten I can pull out and lay on the table to measure

Play to have fun guys, trash talk does not become any of you. :P

Nergrom.7592:

I like BT.

Their groups are usually tiny which makes for very nice skirmishes.

Vizunah…

I haven’t seen a group of them with less than 10 members (they do have a few upscaled solo players though), and they’re usually far bigger than that. There’s no fighting whatsoever, just spamming and hoping a thief doesn’t murder you through the culling. On the other hand my reflect trait becomes hilarious when focused fired.

… Nah, BT is still more fun

- SFR roamer

Cause for now we are kitten off by pve as lika on each pve patch … what a kittening good idea to put patch pve with release of WvW , each time the samething for us , they go on pve.

We have inferiority buff on prime . btw , we’ll see what happenned , but for now ,even if you say we have a big nightcap you will see as for you wrong , cause our nightcap are never more than 20.

atai.1467:

Rednik.3809:

So i see SFR dominate only at nightcap field (or then BT was not play seriously at all). If this is their “primetime”, then sure, they beat us in primetime, lol.
P.S. Everyone who wans see real situation from BT POV – set your PC clock at UTC+4 (russian time), then refresh MOS graph. It’s really fun to see all those great SFR forum warriors starting to lead only after majority of BT players leave to sleep.

Like this weekend ? In any case we will see Friday the result (that kitten graph is from a different server SFR is a bit changed now).
Hope for you to do not be Kitten by forum warrior’s.

See you on Battlefield you can find me with OSC TAG

Just like Blacktide has changed? So what’s your point?

I think what the SFR egotrippers here are missing (not all players, just the egotrippers, calm down) is that we’ve seen this happen with other servers. It is most likely that what happened to Blacktide will in similar ways happen to SFR as well. Some random server gets some guilds and starts to rise and other random people will jump on the bandwagon for karma/map completion/whatever until the server hits #1.

At that point, people will start to leave the server. This is pretty much inevitable. Some players will get bored of “easy wins” or winning all the time and leave. We’re not saying that half of the players will leave bringing SFR back to T4 or whatever. No, I know SFR was already pretty strong before PRX joined and I’m sure most of the guilds that joined from FSP will stay, but people WILL leave. Just like they left Desolation and Blacktide “because they were OP and winning all the time”.

So let’s keep it real and stop pretending SFR (or any other server for that matter) is the ultimate power of WvW. It will only make you look like a kitten when what we’re saying actually happens. If it doesn’t, ok, but you still don’t have to go all American on us doing “WE’RE NUMBER 1!!!!” everytime someone posts their argument. What you post here will reflect onto everyone on your server. And this goes for the Blacktide and Vizunah posters as well.

Centrix.4065:

At that point, people will start to leave the server. This is pretty much inevitable. Some players will get bored of “easy wins” or winning all the time and leave. We’re not saying that half of the players will leave bringing SFR back to T4 or whatever. No, I know SFR was already pretty strong before PRX joined and I’m sure most of the guilds that joined from FSP will stay, but people WILL leave. Just like they left Desolation and Blacktide “because they were OP and winning all the time”.

Probably true , and i dont really understand why theycame .

Challenge ? we sleep when they play <.< Reputation? i don’t think so , even ruin claim this ladder ! And i can not understand neither why QC boy refuse to come counter us guild x) btw , for now we are still there.

Centrix.4065:

Some random server gets some guilds and starts to rise and other random people will jump on the bandwagon for karma/map completion/whatever until the server hits #1.

SFR is not “some random server”. Please stop insulting all the people from SFR that worked and still work hard, we reached this tier because of them not because of randoms searching for easy wins. Besides, many of the guilds that joined are now integrated in the WvW community, not all people who join other servers are evil toddlers who want to join on the win train, some (and as SFR is a WvW server, many) are just looking for a challenge, that BT and VS are making (not the one we hoped but still…)

But saying that type of bs is allowed so please continue

Chiolas.1326:

Centrix.4065:

Some random server gets some guilds and starts to rise and other random people will jump on the bandwagon for karma/map completion/whatever until the server hits #1.

SFR is not “some random server”. Please stop insulting all the people from SFR that worked and still work hard, we reached this tier because of them not because of randoms searching for easy wins. Besides, many of the guilds that joined are now integrated in the WvW community, not all people who join other servers are evil toddlers who want to join on the win train, some (and as SFR is a WvW server, many) are just looking for a challenge, that BT and VS are making (not the one we hoped but still…)

But saying that type of bs is allowed so please continue

I said “some random server” as in: it could’ve been any server. I never said SFR existed of only random “todlers looking for exp”. Stop acting like I insulted anyone, because I didn’t. Are you saying that it isn’t true guilds from Far Shiverpeaks joined Seafarer’s Rest? And that you know for a fact that other random players didn’t join?

I’d say you stop taking things out of context and insult other people by blaming them for stuff they didn’t say.

I find it rather funny how narrow-minded some of you people really are.

There’s no doubt numbers play an important roll in the outcome of these match-ups, denying that is sheer stupidity. Fact is, the server with best coverage and most players is always going to win, that’s how Arenanet build WvW to be.

Blacktide have done this themselves, that some of you are even complaining about what we, SFR, are doing at the moment, when you’ve done the very same thing yourself earlier, is laughable. Of course people are going to burn out if the keep constantly winning, without a challenge, but I’m really hoping guilds like RG/GF/Xaoc/Nugos etc. will continue to fight, as in my opinion this game isn’t about topping the ladder, but about the good fights we have when organized guilds crash together.

Vizunah, did you not win the first match-ups because you were the only server with a proper night-crew? The argument some of you used when people complained about your night-capping was that this was how Anet wanted it to be, that there were nothing illegal doing so. Complaining about the same stuff happening to you now makes some of you slightly hypocritical, don’t you think? On a positive note, none can deny that being in T1 since release isn’t an huge achievement, which makes you in my eyes the best EU server, despite not having the same organized guilds SFR/BT have.

Faunus.3647:

Nergrom.7592:

I like BT.

Their groups are usually tiny which makes for very nice skirmishes.

Vizunah…

I haven’t seen a group of them with less than 10 members (they do have a few upscaled solo players though), and they’re usually far bigger than that. There’s no fighting whatsoever, just spamming and hoping a thief doesn’t murder you through the culling. On the other hand my reflect trait becomes hilarious when focused fired.

… Nah, BT is still more fun

- SFR roamer

Cause for now we are kitten off by pve as lika on each pve patch … what a kittening good idea to put patch pve with release of WvW , each time the samething for us , they go on pve.

We have inferiority buff on prime . btw , we’ll see what happenned , but for now ,even if you say we have a big nightcap you will see as for you wrong , cause our nightcap are never more than 20.

Don’t take it the wrong way, all I did was comment on the fact that BT runs in smaller groups and Vizunah runs in zergs. Regardless of poulation during whatever time, it’s about the combat style.

BT tends to run smaller groups, or they at least have more small groups than Vizunah. Seeing as that I run solo or with a small group, those fights are the best.

As I stated, Vizunah tend to zerg, which from my point of view is less fun to fight against (culling is the main culprit, also the fact that melee becomes suicide).

Also know that this is from my point of view, what I’ve seen. The small Vizunah groups could’ve been on the other side of the map, and maybe the BT groups are a splintered zerg that’s trying to regroup. I wouldn’t know, I’m not on those servers.

First of all, I’d like to say this is a lot of fun even though T1 isn’t what I thought it would be, or at least not yet.

I’ve been on SFR since the first day and have played a lot of WvW there. I think all of you people saying that SFR only got to T1 because of the american guilds (like PRX) that transferred, discredit a lot of the hard work that players like me have done for our server. For a very long time now we have had our community website and organisation and some guilds who have been here since the start please don’t insult those players by saying SFR owes it all to their new bandwagoning guilds.

Also about our 24h coverage and such, we hardly have 4 hours per day with queues on multiple maps and they are never long. Even this weekend I have had the outmanned buff several times already (while being on a map with PRX). We used to be a medium population server and get good WvW attendance and now that we are highly populated, it hasn’t changed that much really. The only thing that has changed is that now the same people are online more often, people from organised and focused guilds.

I also noticed people saying that SFR moves around in big blobs and only zergs. The weird part was that when I read that it almost sounded like it was an insult to a certain way of playing this game. We have some big guilds that run around on the maps and there are always “randoms” that follow those around, but rarely do they even present half of the presence on that map. There are also other guilds that run around with 15 or less people and they are also a part of our server and our community, you’d be surprised at how much then can accomplish. Lastly saying that superior numbers will always win when you meet them is just not true an is deprecating of player skill (of your own skill). Smart choices and good coordination matter a lot more than numbers. I remember holding towers with just 5 people against 30+ and killing them all. I also remember (though I’d rather not) running into 5 people in open field when we were 15 and get killed. Only this weekend I saw Red Guard obliterate an enemy force that was at least twice their numbers.

This weekend we went head-on with guilds like Green Fire and Red Guard and Xaoc several times already and no matter the outcome it was always fun. Please stop whining about the coverage and the nightcapping and try not to say things about other servers because you might be wrong.

I did not mean to insult anyone with this post and would be surprised if I did, I would also be very sorry as it was not my intent.

Webley.1295:

Ive been on SFR since day one. I had fought the masses of the xaoc night cappers when our offpeak was at about 40 people across all bg all spread out

That’s funny because you’ve also posted this:
“Ive played on EBay and moved back to Sea Farers Rest [EU]
I loved the way EBay played. If they moved over to SFR we would be good to go to T1”

That is all.

BT players saying that they didn’t said that SFR is in T1 because of the bandwagoners when they actually said it:
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