Guild Wars 2

At least people were doing something kinda for the server. Havnig the Grub in WvW is an absoltue waste of space in every way shape or form, and does nothing but hurt the server.

Bring back dolyka farming, or get rid of the grub. There does not need to be a raid boss in WvW.

So we have trains of bots “escorting” them again? No thanks.

And what’s wrong with Grub? It takes 10 minutes to kill. Is that really gonna ruin your entire day of wvwvw?

Besides that it’s fun training it onto people attacking your towers.

fellyn.5083:

So we have trains of bots “escorting” them again? No thanks.

And what’s wrong with Grub? It takes 10 minutes to kill. Is that really gonna ruin your entire day of wvwvw?

Besides that it’s fun training it onto people attacking your towers.

When people are willing to lose fully upgraded towers and supply camps, or people have it on farm to where they take up map space to wait for it to spawn, yeah it’s pretty much a waste of space.

30-40 people

you gain exp, karma and money for killing dolyaks but gain nothing for escorting them. See the problem? killing them does not give mutch anymore so giving the same rewards for escorting should not hurt.

Also its better if the bots escort dolyaks instand of just doing random PvE in WvW. At least they are not completly useless space takers that way.

Also now with the server balance issues mostly solved, it won’t be that big a deal. if people are farming dolyaks enemy zergs can quickly take them out, but it’s a great deal better than having people being absolutely useless doing a raid in wvw.

Escorting the dolyaks means your chances of winning that week are higher then those who don’t escort them and have them killed repeatedly.

There certainly has to be a balance point that can be found, to reward players doing a generally thankless job, without making it so great its worth botting on.

Give 100 karma anything, or a lower money reward, I don’t think bots are going to be doing that over killing kraits or whatever crap they are up to now.

Instead of rewarding karma and/or gold, escorts could instead be rewarded with experience. Useless to bots, but very useful to people who are leveling in WvW =)

AprilRain.7649:

Instead of rewarding karma and/or gold, escorts could instead be rewarded with experience. Useless to bots, but very useful to people who are leveling in WvW =)

thats still not fair for the lvl 80 players like me who escorts a lot of them so the upgrades can finally get through.

While Escorting a dolyak im often attacked from 2 – 4 enemys while i never see more than 1 at best 2 players escorting and even that is rare.

I remember ArenaNet said the removal of dolyak escort rewards was temporary, guess someone should hand a dictionary to ArenaNet or explain what “temporary” means because it’s not looking to be temporary

They should just make it so you need to be doing something to get credit, such as using swiftness or killing players.

I prefer the bots escorting dolyaks instead of farming skritt. At least it is somewhat productive to the team.

Azaruil.3406:

I prefer the bots escorting dolyaks instead of farming skritt. At least it is somewhat productive to the team.

This 100%. We have 20 bots in SoR map all week. 10 in Krait, 10 in Skritt. Send reports for all of them, as did 5 guildies.

TheBob.9863:

I remember ArenaNet said the removal of dolyak escort rewards was temporary, guess someone should hand a dictionary to ArenaNet or explain what “temporary” means because it’s not looking to be temporary

Yep which is also why people are worried about when the orbs might be coming back.

Not everyone that WvWvW is level 80. There are some of us that would actually enjoy leveling in WvWvW, so taking away the ability to escort Dolyaks takes away a very viable way of earning experience and karma while participating. I keep seeing arguments that defend the removal because of bots. If you see a bot, report it and move on. ArenaNet needs to focus/remain diligent in their fight against the bots, but don’t remove important game components in doing so. Find another way to remove bots other than remove a fun portion of the game (and, yes, I find escorting Dolyaks to be a very fun and rewarding way of passing the time).

Dolyaks are worth a lot of points for your server. Potentially more than keeps, towers and camps. Dolyak escorting/killing seems to be often overlooked when commanders choose a strategy.

Just give us a badge. Bots don’t care about badges.

dcwow.1672:

Not everyone that WvWvW is level 80
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Find another way to remove bots other than remove a fun portion of the game (and, yes, I find escorting Dolyaks to be a very fun and rewarding way of passing the time).

FYSA – you bumped a 2 month-old thread.

In response to your post: no thanks. I don’t feel like sitting in a 3 hour queue on reset night because every bot and/or PVE’er decides they want to escort Yaks for hours on end.

kuora.5402:

Just give us a badge. Bots don’t care about badges.

Excellent suggestion. It would also give the PVE-only legendary farmers a better source of badges (potentially) than the JPs. And they would actually be contributing to their WvW server bonuses, for once.

Korgov.7645:

Dolyak escorting/killing seems to be often overlooked when commanders choose a strategy.

Depends what the strategy is. Dolyaks / Sentries also can be used to estimate enemy movement and if going for a fast surprise strike it may situationally be wise to not touch them and rather leave them for the next squad passing through to kill them.

Is this the day of necroing threads? Seen at least 3 old threads replied to today. But at least for a change folks used the search function I guess (there’s always a silver lining)

Seeing the older replies in this topic that folks think that it’s better to have bots/farmers doing dolyak farming than real players killing the grub because they at least contribute to the fight; don’t forget that there’s also real players now contributing in bigger real objectives that might just switch back to only doing dolyaks because it’s easier and better reward/time ratio.
Also the grub only takes what 10 mins, so you prefer to have a train of bots on dolyaks over players taking 10 mins. break while they’re in WvW and then return to the objectives stuff?

holska.4127:

Korgov.7645:

Dolyak escorting/killing seems to be often overlooked when commanders choose a strategy.

Depends what the strategy is. Dolyaks / Sentries also can be used to estimate enemy movement and if going for a fast surprise strike it may situationally be wise to not touch them and rather leave them for the next squad passing through to kill them.

Estimating enemy movements from dolyaks and sentrys disappearing from map is one thing. Disrupting enemy supply lines is also essential in long sieges.

But what I was trying say is the points gained from killing/escorting dolyaks. For example last week EU Tier 1 servers got 25% of their total points from dolyaks and sentries.

I think this is the perfect example of the “right” sort of thread to necro. It was discussed before and the issue has not changed or been resolved so there is no harm in continuing the discussion and we know that WvW changes are in the works so even if some improvements in this area where not originally considered, now would be a good time to brainstorm some solutions.

Not a lot has changed in the last 2 months since this was originally brought up but there are a lot fewer players out in WvW lately and I am sure there are some commanders who would just rather have bodies on the map with the potential to get things moving than nothing at all. If bots went back to their farming ways so quickly I think they would actually find themselves getting farmed by bored enemies as bot killing is almost as good of a sport as yak hunting. Anything that rewards more defense play would be a boost for WvW and commanders who are begging for supply to get where it is needed. The karma flip trains running rampant can be almost as damaging to morale and the score as a herd of yak protectors.

ANET could also use turning back on yak escorts rewards as a way to test out their bot detection sniffers packets or as a trap to ban some more bots. It would give them an obvious place to police. To be honest, I don’t think there are really that much bot driven activity still going on out there but I am usually rather naive about that sort of thing as it has never been something I could get my head around.

I love the idea of making Dolyak escorts reward badges but I am not sure how feasible that would be considering they can’t even figure out a way to get badges directly into our inventory instead of dropping with the loot. >< I am very hopeful that the Feb WvW make-over includes a new WvW only currency like PvP Glory (Honor anyone?) that a new line of better looking WvW skins and rewards (including fractal like sets) can be purchased with. If that were the case then it would seem very logical to turn yak escorts back on with honor rewards and maybe 1/2 the exp/karma as before to limit the serious over kill reward for effort farming incentive.

I also think it would help add more activities into WvW that casual PvE oriented players could feel useful participating in while their are learning the ropes and earn themselves some rewards. WvW doesn’t need to treat itself so seriously all the time and it would be a lot more fun with a lower barrier entry so more kinds of players give it a try finding elements they enjoy. As a yak hunter myself, I would love to see it be more difficult and challenging to take down those supply routes.

lol………. What?!?!?

This thread can’t be serious.