Guild Wars 2

Remember the old system when the 3rd spot for tier 1 was traded out every week, yea we need that system brought back. That or Tier 1 needs to be made into a 2 man system because TC really doesn’t belong there. This isn’t a dig at my server, I think we have some of the best players in all the realms, but simply put we don’t have the numbers to be in tier 1.

As it is we are just there to determine who comes in 1st place and not competing for 1st place ourselves. I can’t speak for the other players, but I have no intention of playing for 2nd place. As “terrible” as this might sound I’ve stopped playing WvW all together in the hopes that the less people we have playing the worse our score will be and the better our chances of dropping to tier 2.

I get it, all the tier 2 servers would fear TC coming to play with them, and the unlucky souls that rise to tier 1 would probably take the week off and let JQ/BG fight it out. But thats probably going to happen anyway. There is always going to be some TC players who will be in WvW every week no matter what, but I and others have noticed a very steady decline in players week after week.

To all the TC players who would get angry at the fact that some people don’t like beating their face into a brick wall, not all of us share your love of masochism. I don’t mind losing a fair share of games, I DO mind losing every week.

And to all the other players who will undoubtedly point out that I just want to “beat on” less coverage realms. Back when TC was in tier 2 we had some pretty good fights with FA and SoS, not sure if these realms have gone by the wayside but if they haven’t the week wouldn’t be a total blowout. “But you just want to win.” You are kitten right. I don’t need to win every week, but losing every week is not what I will play WvW for.

The only time that sort of system existed at all was during season 2. And it made the matchups for every tier awful.

So.. no thanks. If TC needs to drop out of tier 1 it will eventually. We don’t need first tier problems to influence a change that wrecks WvW even more for everyone else.

You simply need to lose rating points or pray the RNG gods are kind to you,
on the EU side Desolation just spent 4 weeks against Seafarers after putting up with them for 7 weeks during the Tournament, yet even when we drop we beat most servers in terms of Coverage.

Last year we spent months stuck in Tier 1 against Vizunah Square as much as we wanted to drop a Tier!

The last 4 weeks:

First Places: JQ three times, BG one time
Second Places: TC three times, JQ one time
Third Places: BG three times, TC one time

If we apply the S2 score system (1st gets 5 points, 2nd gets 3 points and 3rd gets 1 point):

JQ: 16 points
TC: 10 points
BG: 8 points

Why would TC not belong in T1, when it is doing even better than BG overall? We all know that both servers would just kitten kitten up in T2, they don’t belong there. If there’s something “wrong” in T1, it would be JQ, but I really don’t mind their chinalike population, it provides a lot of fun fights.

The secret is to stop worring about PPT. It’s a stupid system that just measures one server’s population.

yanniell.1236:

The last 4 weeks:

First Places: JQ three times, BG one time
Second Places: TC three times, JQ one time
Third Places: BG three times, TC one time

If we apply the S2 score system (1st gets 5 points, 2nd gets 3 points and 3rd gets 1 point):

JQ: 16 points
TC: 10 points
BG: 8 points

Why would TC not belong in T1, when it is doing even better than BG overall? We all know that both servers would just kitten kitten up in T2, they don’t belong there. If there’s something “wrong” in T1, it would be JQ, but I really don’t mind their chinalike population, it provides a lot of fun fights.

The secret is to stop worring about PPT. It’s a stupid system that just measures one server’s population.

Your analysis just proves my point that TC isn’t a Tier 1 server. We get 2nd place because either BG or JQ give up once -we- have decided who comes in 1st that week. It doesn’t mean we managed to take 2nd place, we are just given it because the realm that gets tag teamed stops playing.

And it’s not just about PPT, its about being able to hold keeps and towers, stuff that you upgrade. I will agree that JQ is the main cause of all Tier 1 problems, who wants to take stuff only to have it retaken when you sleep? Atleast with BG they have to EARN their points, with JQ they gotta worry about a group of 10 trying to stop them. And no, JQ does not have “slow times”, even on their not stacked times they have a 60+ zerg that can respond to stuff.

TC is readjusting to post-season stress, you guys are fine. If anything, you need to stay in Tier 1 to not implode. Historically, as soon as a T1 server falls into T2, it implodes. I’m not talking about rotating in and out of T2, but actually falling.

By the way, I attribute the cause of TC’s problems is the 2v1 on BG during S2. The split in opinion in the TC community over the 2v1 basically crippled it post-season. It will take time to heal the wounds and bring up new leadership within the server.

Reverence.6915:

TC is readjusting to post-season stress, you guys are fine. If anything, you need to stay in Tier 1 to not implode. Historically, as soon as a T1 server falls into T2, it implodes. I’m not talking about rotating in and out of T2, but actually falling.

By the way, I attribute the cause of TC’s problems is the 2v1 on BG during S2. The split in opinion in the TC community over the 2v1 basically crippled it post-season. It will take time to heal the wounds and bring up new leadership within the server.

I know you’re still salty over the 2v1 but I don’t think that’s the problem. Facing the same servers over and over again is making us lose population. We had a drop in numbers after season 1 too because people were bored of facing SoS and FA over and over again. Your server might be used to it because you’ve been stuck with JQ forever but most of us on TC are used to a mixture of T1 and T2 matches. Although I agree, falling down into T2 permanently would be bad for TC. Would rather a one up, one down system.

Reverence.6915:

TC is readjusting to post-season stress, you guys are fine. If anything, you need to stay in Tier 1 to not implode. Historically, as soon as a T1 server falls into T2, it implodes. I’m not talking about rotating in and out of T2, but actually falling.

By the way, I attribute the cause of TC’s problems is the 2v1 on BG during S2. The split in opinion in the TC community over the 2v1 basically crippled it post-season. It will take time to heal the wounds and bring up new leadership within the server.

I don’t think there are “many wounds” that need healing, most of the people that were upset about the team up left and good riddance. To get so upset about a team up is just kittened. I for one didn’t like it, I hate JQ with a burning passion, and have respect for BG, if anything I would have loved to team up with BG against JQ.

But for those who’s panties got all twisted because of the team up…leave TC please, we don’t need or want your “sensitivity”. They are just people who are looking for something to kitten about, and you can go be miserable somewhere else.

Kigera.9584:

Reverence.6915:

TC is readjusting to post-season stress, you guys are fine. If anything, you need to stay in Tier 1 to not implode. Historically, as soon as a T1 server falls into T2, it implodes. I’m not talking about rotating in and out of T2, but actually falling.

By the way, I attribute the cause of TC’s problems is the 2v1 on BG during S2. The split in opinion in the TC community over the 2v1 basically crippled it post-season. It will take time to heal the wounds and bring up new leadership within the server.

I know you’re still salty over the 2v1 but I don’t think that’s the problem. Facing the same servers over and over again is making us lose population. We had a drop in numbers after season 1 too because people were bored of facing SoS and FA over and over again. Your server might be used to it because you’ve been stuck with JQ forever but most of us on TC are used to a mixture of T1 and T2 matches. Although I agree, falling down into T2 permanently would be bad for TC. Would rather a one up, one down system.

That’s the system I was talking about in my OP.

If you hate TC your own server so much just join the FA bandwagon.

Kigera.9584:

Reverence.6915:

TC is readjusting to post-season stress, you guys are fine. If anything, you need to stay in Tier 1 to not implode. Historically, as soon as a T1 server falls into T2, it implodes. I’m not talking about rotating in and out of T2, but actually falling.

By the way, I attribute the cause of TC’s problems is the 2v1 on BG during S2. The split in opinion in the TC community over the 2v1 basically crippled it post-season. It will take time to heal the wounds and bring up new leadership within the server.

I know you’re still salty over the 2v1 but I don’t think that’s the problem. Facing the same servers over and over again is making us lose population. We had a drop in numbers after season 1 too because people were bored of facing SoS and FA over and over again. Your server might be used to it because you’ve been stuck with JQ forever but most of us on TC are used to a mixture of T1 and T2 matches. Although I agree, falling down into T2 permanently would be bad for TC. Would rather a one up, one down system.

A 1 up 1 down system would see BG rotate out more often than TC, just by last month’s results and as such, would affect(positively or negatively) us more than you. It would also make population adjustments rather painful.

I’m not really that upset about the 2v1, made over 300g during the last 2 T1 matchups in s2 and made BG stronger as a community because of it, which is part of the reason we’re still getting tons of transfers(individuals as well as guilds) even though we have mostly come 3rd in the matchup.

Also, the 1u/1d system would royally screw T2 and T3 over since the gulf between T2 and T3 is huge, resulting in one sided matchups every week.

Even if we don’t have the manpower to be in T1 (which we do you can tell it in our ppt when every one gets on) we have wayyy more than enough to crush T2 servers which would just end up making boring weeks for everyone involved.

Reverence.6915:

A 1 up 1 down system would see BG rotate out more often than TC, just by last month’s results and as such, would affect(positively or negatively) us more than you. It would also make population adjustments rather painful.

I’m not really that upset about the 2v1, made over 300g during the last 2 T1 matchups in s2 and made BG stronger as a community because of it, which is part of the reason we’re still getting tons of transfers(individuals as well as guilds) even though we have mostly come 3rd in the matchup.

I wouldn’t have a problem with BG rotating more than TC. I would just like to face different servers every once in awhile.

I said you were salty about the 2v1 because every time TC is mentioned, either on this forum or the other (maybe both), you bring up the 2v1. And I figured you guys were coming in 3rd because you simply weren’t trying? TC has never had a larger population than BG.

Kigera.9584:

Reverence.6915:

A 1 up 1 down system would see BG rotate out more often than TC, just by last month’s results and as such, would affect(positively or negatively) us more than you. It would also make population adjustments rather painful.

I’m not really that upset about the 2v1, made over 300g during the last 2 T1 matchups in s2 and made BG stronger as a community because of it, which is part of the reason we’re still getting tons of transfers(individuals as well as guilds) even though we have mostly come 3rd in the matchup.

I wouldn’t have a problem with BG rotating more than TC. I would just like to face different servers every once in awhile.

I said you were salty about the 2v1 because every time TC is mentioned, either on this forum or the other (maybe both), you bring up the 2v1. And I figured you guys were coming in 3rd because you simply weren’t trying? TC has never had a larger population than BG.

The 2v1 changed T1 dynamics and directly resulted in what’s going on now and is relevant to this discussion from the point of view of TC. A lot of players on TC left specifically due to the 2v1, many of whom landed on BG, resulting in the current climate in T1 of TC and BG dodging (or farming if the numbers are there) JQ map blobs and fighting each other, resulting in a continuing(soft) 2v1 on BG and the perception that TC is still stronger than BG

Reverence.6915:

The 2v1 changed T1 dynamics and directly resulted in what’s going on now and is relevant to this discussion from the point of view of TC. A lot of players on TC left specifically due to the 2v1, many of whom landed on BG, resulting in the current climate in T1 of TC and BG dodging (or farming if the numbers are there) JQ map blobs and fighting each other, resulting in a continuing(soft) 2v1 on BG and the perception that TC is still stronger than BG

I’m sure some left because of the 2v1. But even more left or stopped playing because T1 matches are stale and boring at this point. Like I’ve said previously, we also went through a major drop in activity right after season 1 because people found T2 boring and repetitive.

Lurock Turoth.9085:

Even if we don’t have the manpower to be in T1 (which we do you can tell it in our ppt when every one gets on) we have wayyy more than enough to crush T2 servers which would just end up making boring weeks for everyone involved.

Not from what I hear in mumble, I think I’ve only heard 1 person say they would NOT like for TC to go down to tier 2 for a weeks break. Keep in mind NO ONE here is talking about TC becoming a perma T2 realm, just sayng a break from JQ every once in awhile would be great for some of us. And I don’t think you are grasping that some of us don’t care if we crush T2, that’s the whole point of us wanting to go down a notch, so we aren’t always coming in 3rd or 2nd…DUH.

Kigera.9584:

Reverence.6915:

A 1 up 1 down system would see BG rotate out more often than TC, just by last month’s results and as such, would affect(positively or negatively) us more than you. It would also make population adjustments rather painful.

I’m not really that upset about the 2v1, made over 300g during the last 2 T1 matchups in s2 and made BG stronger as a community because of it, which is part of the reason we’re still getting tons of transfers(individuals as well as guilds) even though we have mostly come 3rd in the matchup.

I wouldn’t have a problem with BG rotating more than TC. I would just like to face different servers every once in awhile.

I said you were salty about the 2v1 because every time TC is mentioned, either on this forum or the other (maybe both), you bring up the 2v1. And I figured you guys were coming in 3rd because you simply weren’t trying? TC has never had a larger population than BG.

You wouldn’d be facing a different server, you would be spawn camping them. Any T2 server would be steamrolled in T1.

I for one would sure have a problem with BG going to T2. I don’t want to roflstomp the two others servers (because of coverage disparity) and have nothing to do the rest of the week.

yanniell.1236:

You wouldn’d be facing a different server, you would be spawn camping them. Any T2 server would be steamrolled in T1.

I for one would sure have a problem with BG going to T2. I don’t want to roflstomp the two others servers (because of coverage disparity) and have nothing to do the rest of the week.

IDK, even when my server was in T2 and we would get rolled by T1, I still wanted T1 matches for the sake of variety and the chance to face different guilds. Even if the scores are close every week, I would be bored out of mind if I had to face the same people every single week for months on end. Eventually it just becomes “what’s the point of trying hard this week, we’ll just see them again at reset.”

Tbh Blackgate during season 2 wasn’t overly that bad, in comparison. I mean of course they knew coverage would allow them to win in match ups a T2 servers, so they got into it more so for the fights, at least a good portion of them.

As for the op, I hate to say it but it sounds like ‘were not wining at all so we don’t belong here’. You seriously think any T2 server would fair any better or want to be there? Or even down in T3?

1u: 1d just would be a horrible system to put back into the game.

Reaper.1748:

Tbh Blackgate during season 2 wasn’t overly that bad, in comparison. I mean of course they knew coverage would allow them to win in match ups a T2 servers, so they got into it more so for the fights, at least a good portion of them.

As for the op, I hate to say it but it sounds like ‘were not wining at all so we don’t belong here’. You seriously think any T2 server would fair any better or want to be there? Or even down in T3?

1u: 1d just would be a horrible system to put back into the game.

Of course I don’t think anyone from T2 would be able to win vs JQ/BG, and I don’t care either. It’s the variety that I’m after. And I doubt the T2 servers will have much of a choice soon, TC WvW showup is steadily in decline and will continue to do so till only the die hards are left. And that won’t be enough to keep us in T1. Not to mention some people are transferring down to T2 to get away from JQ. It’s only a matter of time.

The state if T1 is just a coverage problem. JQ SEA has no competation, it is not that JQ SEA is good just numerous. Havoc during that time is like 2v7 alway downing 4 before you die. Before season BG would be able to limit how many t3 keep JQ would have by EU/NA but that does not happen now.

If BG/TC recruit for that timezone the new guild would be one of the handful of guilds active at that time. Focusing mostly on defense which is not that fun. Also, they would have to be willing to lead the militia which is difficult.

Reaper.1748:

Tbh Blackgate during season 2 wasn’t overly that bad, in comparison. I mean of course they knew coverage would allow them to win in match ups a T2 servers, so they got into it more so for the fights, at least a good portion of them.

As for the op, I hate to say it but it sounds like ‘were not wining at all so we don’t belong here’. You seriously think any T2 server would fair any better or want to be there? Or even down in T3?

1u: 1d just would be a horrible system to put back into the game.

This ^^. I’m glad the OP doesn’t speak for TC. I miss the days when they were the zombie coast. Seems those people have all transferred.

Reverence.6915:

Kigera.9584:

Reverence.6915:

A 1 up 1 down system would see BG rotate out more often than TC, just by last month’s results and as such, would affect(positively or negatively) us more than you. It would also make population adjustments rather painful.

I’m not really that upset about the 2v1, made over 300g during the last 2 T1 matchups in s2 and made BG stronger as a community because of it, which is part of the reason we’re still getting tons of transfers(individuals as well as guilds) even though we have mostly come 3rd in the matchup.

I wouldn’t have a problem with BG rotating more than TC. I would just like to face different servers every once in awhile.

I said you were salty about the 2v1 because every time TC is mentioned, either on this forum or the other (maybe both), you bring up the 2v1. And I figured you guys were coming in 3rd because you simply weren’t trying? TC has never had a larger population than BG.

The 2v1 changed T1 dynamics and directly resulted in what’s going on now and is relevant to this discussion from the point of view of TC. A lot of players on TC left specifically due to the 2v1, many of whom landed on BG, resulting in the current climate in T1 of TC and BG dodging (or farming if the numbers are there) JQ map blobs and fighting each other, resulting in a continuing(soft) 2v1 on BG and the perception that TC is still stronger than BG

If you think there is any type of 2v1 going on right now, you haven’t played since the season.

The change in T1 is that a lot of people left. WvW hasn’t changed much at all in a year and people are just bored. The population of T1 right now is equal to T3 a year ago.

yanniell.1236:

The last 4 weeks:

First Places: JQ three times, BG one time
Second Places: TC three times, JQ one time
Third Places: BG three times, TC one time

If we apply the S2 score system (1st gets 5 points, 2nd gets 3 points and 3rd gets 1 point):

JQ: 16 points
TC: 10 points
BG: 8 points

Why would TC not belong in T1, when it is doing even better than BG overall? We all know that both servers would just kitten kitten up in T2, they don’t belong there. If there’s something “wrong” in T1, it would be JQ, but I really don’t mind their chinalike population, it provides a lot of fun fights.

The secret is to stop worring about PPT. It’s a stupid system that just measures one server’s population.

Because a lot of things have changed since then. Running around with the outnumbered buff on 3 out of the 4 maps during prime time. Reset night having 4 outnumbered maps 2hrs after reset

I’ve literally only seen one commander on this past week. I know of at least 4 decent size guilds that have either quit all together or changed servers. Not that I really care now as I’m getting extremely bored with WvW.

Ultimately I think it’s just sheer boredom. You can only fight the same people on the same maps so many times before it’s time to call it quits. Season 2 had a bit of new life in it due to the competitive nature, but now that it’s over with no changes and nothing on the horizon, I truly believe most people at this point are just leaving the game for good.

Lurock Turoth.9085:

Even if we don’t have the manpower to be in T1 (which we do you can tell it in our ppt when every one gets on) we have wayyy more than enough to crush T2 servers which would just end up making boring weeks for everyone involved.

You’d be surprised. TC has lost people post season. T2 has seen an influx of lots of players lately, and frankly, would there be an answer for SoS’s SEA/OCX crew? FA the first 2 weeks back in t2 brought close to t1 NA numbers, and still lost. SoS saw a few guilds transfer in the last week or two for NA prime to provide better competition for the other t2 servers. Unless your euro crew is massive still, you’d be just like Maguuma, who’s euro crew is good, but not enough to carry. Remember TC was t2 for a while before season 2, and the SoR exodus is the reason you went t1, and even then SoS would always catch up later in the week. Frankly I’m worried about going t1 if TC loses anymore people.

PattyCakeChamp.5268:

Lurock Turoth.9085:

Even if we don’t have the manpower to be in T1 (which we do you can tell it in our ppt when every one gets on) we have wayyy more than enough to crush T2 servers which would just end up making boring weeks for everyone involved.

You’d be surprised. TC has lost people post season. T2 has seen an influx of lots of players lately, and frankly, would there be an answer for SoS’s SEA/OCX crew? FA the first 2 weeks back in t2 brought close to t1 NA numbers, and still lost. SoS saw a few guilds transfer in the last week or two for NA prime to provide better competition for the other t2 servers. Unless your euro crew is massive still, you’d be just like Maguuma, who’s euro crew is good, but not enough to carry. Remember TC was t2 for a while before season 2, and the SoR exodus is the reason you went t1, and even then SoS would always catch up later in the week. Frankly I’m worried about going t1 if TC loses anymore people.

Well each week WvW has seen less players fighting for the TC side, I think the only times we have map Q’s is at reset. Went on yesterday and not a single map had a Q, most people seem to be farming the new stuff or taking a break from WvW. It really is only a matter of time before we dip into T2, as it stands right now only the die hards are playing WvW.

Careful, that’s what happened to SoR. People were worn out in T1 with the same matches each week. People tried to let PPT slide which created friction and lead to people switching servers which lead to more WvW pop leech which lead to further decline. But at least now we have somewhere to build back up from which will be fun. It was also fun to see all the different servers during the decline though and will be interesting if we are able to move back up over time. Good hunting to you!

There a simple answer to fix this all. STOP ALL STACKING TO THE TIER 1 SERVERS!!! If some of these guilds transfer to around t2-t4 we could have a much better match-up between these tiers. The coverage’s would be a lot closer so that if a server went up or down it wouldn’t be a huge gap in coverage.

brandon.6735:

There a simple answer to fix this all. STOP ALL STACKING TO THE TIER 1 SERVERS!!! If some of these guilds transfer to around t2-t4 we could have a much better match-up between these tiers. The coverage’s would be a lot closer so that if a server went up or down it wouldn’t be a huge gap in coverage.

Coverage isn’t about NA population. Due to limited populations playing this game, people playing outside NA can only get the same WvW experience as NA players in the first two tiers. Really only in Tier1

TC had the biggest NA population in T1 but couldn’t win because of a lack of coverage, despite being a full server.

Reverence.6915:

brandon.6735:

There a simple answer to fix this all. STOP ALL STACKING TO THE TIER 1 SERVERS!!! If some of these guilds transfer to around t2-t4 we could have a much better match-up between these tiers. The coverage’s would be a lot closer so that if a server went up or down it wouldn’t be a huge gap in coverage.

Coverage isn’t about NA population. Due to limited populations playing this game, people playing outside NA can only get the same WvW experience as NA players in the first two tiers. Really only in Tier1

TC had the biggest NA population in T1 but couldn’t win because of a lack of coverage, despite being a full server.

This. JQ just takes everything at night with little to no resistance from BG and TC. Because they have full coverage in all time zones they don’t have to actually work for any of their wins. Why I say BG and TC should form a permanent alliance and attack only JQ until that server breaks apart and forces their sea people into other realms and not just stacked on the same realm. Unless TC drops to tier 2, I’d be all for that too.

Twinbros.5372:

Reverence.6915:

brandon.6735:

There a simple answer to fix this all. STOP ALL STACKING TO THE TIER 1 SERVERS!!! If some of these guilds transfer to around t2-t4 we could have a much better match-up between these tiers. The coverage’s would be a lot closer so that if a server went up or down it wouldn’t be a huge gap in coverage.

Coverage isn’t about NA population. Due to limited populations playing this game, people playing outside NA can only get the same WvW experience as NA players in the first two tiers. Really only in Tier1

TC had the biggest NA population in T1 but couldn’t win because of a lack of coverage, despite being a full server.

This. JQ just takes everything at night with little to no resistance from BG and TC. Because they have full coverage in all time zones they don’t have to actually work for any of their wins. Why I say BG and TC should form a permanent alliance and attack only JQ until that server breaks apart and forces their sea people into other realms and not just stacked on the same realm. Unless TC drops to tier 2, I’d be all for that too.

Blackgate doesn’t form alliances and if TC drops to T2, the exodus will start in earnest, as history shows.

If the old matchup system was brought back, more people would quit the game because it was terrible. One sided matchups week in and week out is not fun.

Reverence.6915:

Twinbros.5372:

Reverence.6915:

brandon.6735:

There a simple answer to fix this all. STOP ALL STACKING TO THE TIER 1 SERVERS!!! If some of these guilds transfer to around t2-t4 we could have a much better match-up between these tiers. The coverage’s would be a lot closer so that if a server went up or down it wouldn’t be a huge gap in coverage.

Coverage isn’t about NA population. Due to limited populations playing this game, people playing outside NA can only get the same WvW experience as NA players in the first two tiers. Really only in Tier1

TC had the biggest NA population in T1 but couldn’t win because of a lack of coverage, despite being a full server.

This. JQ just takes everything at night with little to no resistance from BG and TC. Because they have full coverage in all time zones they don’t have to actually work for any of their wins. Why I say BG and TC should form a permanent alliance and attack only JQ until that server breaks apart and forces their sea people into other realms and not just stacked on the same realm. Unless TC drops to tier 2, I’d be all for that too.

Blackgate doesn’t form alliances and if TC drops to T2, the exodus will start in earnest, as history shows.

If the old matchup system was brought back, more people would quit the game because it was terrible. One sided matchups week in and week out is not fun.

So let the exodus begin, either way a good chunk of TC is no longer interested in being the 3rd wheel in T1. You and JQ can have at it. Some of us don’t like fighting for 2nd place, were here to fight for 1st.

I think the exodus has already started in TC. As I said earlier, I’ve literally only seen one commander within the past 2 weeks (with the exception of K-train friday), and outnumbered every night.

I’m pretty much done with WvW, but not because of 2vs1 or being burned out, it’s because it’s become stale and boring. There is absolutely nothing new on the horizon or even a hint of things to come. I could care less if we ended up in T2 or T8, nothing would still change.

DeadlySynz.3471:

I think the exodus has already started in TC. As I said earlier, I’ve literally only seen one commander within the past 2 weeks (with the exception of K-train friday), and outnumbered every night.

I’m pretty much done with WvW, but not because of 2vs1 or being burned out, it’s because it’s become stale and boring. There is absolutely nothing new on the horizon or even a hint of things to come. I could care less if we ended up in T2 or T8, nothing would still change.

Yea we have had a few guilds either transfer or just dissolve in the past few weeks, but I’m not in the least worried. Going down tiers is better than staying in T1 and being the 3rd wheel, let another server take that unfortunate role for awhile. Or make Tier 1 a 2 server system where JQ and BG can play with each other for all eternity lol.