Bring back the Borderlands feel

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Posted by: felixdacat.3804

felixdacat.3804

I know I’m not alone in saying this but with the latest patch the borderlands just don’t feel organic anymore. I remember first stepping into WvW many months ago, making my way around the borderlands and the eternal battlegrounds and feeling like they were natural extensions of the PvE environment. I grew fond of the borderlands – the fort on the bay, the rising hills across the large lake, the sort of marsh land to the south, the snow-covered rocky hills to the north. It all felt natural – like it was a real environment.

With the Bloodlust in the Borderlands patch the middle of the map now seems forced, out of place, almost like someone just slapped it in there. The bay now opens up to… ruins with a little stream? Instead of towering over a majestic lake, the garrison now looks down into the same ruins. The hills used to gently descend into a lake, as one could naturally expect, but not any more. It doesn’t feel right. It doesn’t flow well. It doesn’t feel natural at all.

Here’s what I am suggesting: bring back the lake, with or without quaggans and krait. It doesn’t have to be as big as it was but it needs to be there. Spread out the control points across the map instead of cramming them all into the center of the map. I believe two of the points should be in the northern half of the map, between the Citadel and the skritt/centaurs somewhere – or even integrate them in with those NPCs somehow. One of the points should still be in the middle of the map around where the Temple of Storms used to be. The last two would be on the southern half of the map so invaders would be able to control easily. Ideally, the two southern points would be between the keeps and southern towers on the edge of the lake.

Placing the points in areas like these works out for all three servers. The home server has easier access to its northern two points from the Citadel and invaders have to work to get them. If invaders have a waypointed keep on the map they will have an easier time getting to those points, which in turn will make the home server want to get rid of that waypoint that much more. There will still be effort given to the center of the map by all three servers, as all three servers will have roughly equal access to it.

Instead of forcing the PvP feel onto the WvW (and by extension, PvE) environment, let’s integrate it into the environment and make things flow in a more natural manner. The tactics and strategies will evolve without the cluster in the middle of the map. This isn’t a conversation about the Bloodlust buffs – as that is an entirely different topic I don’t want to address here. This is a conversation about the flow and feel of the map, which has definitely suffered with this patch but it can be salvaged. The question is: how?

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Posted by: alcopaul.2156

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Bloodlust area is like the hypnotizing eye that conditions you to sPvP. 3 capping points? Hello?

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Posted by: Dsybok.1405

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I haven’t been able to log in yet, but can you no longer jump off the vista at Garrison that overlooks the lake?

If so, that stinks, this was a very convenient way to get around to southern areas of the map especially when the southern keeps had no waypoint. It takes long enough to run around the map as it is, sometimes I feel like I spend more time running places than actually enjoying the content.

If they got rid of this jumping point altogether, then this new content I definitely will not like.

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Posted by: Hoots.9564

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The center feels like they merged an spvp arena into the middle of WvW. I’m all for removing the lake in the middle, but the way it is now seems way to cluttered. Guess we will find out if any battles will actually occur there, but I have doubts as it feels way to spvp for my taste.

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Posted by: felixdacat.3804

felixdacat.3804

I haven’t been able to log in yet, but can you no longer jump off the vista at Garrison that overlooks the lake?

Didn’t have a chance to try that today before going to work. Can someone chime in on this please?

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Posted by: fileark.4709

fileark.4709

I haven’t been able to log in yet, but can you no longer jump off the vista at Garrison that overlooks the lake?

Didn’t have a chance to try that today before going to work. Can someone chime in on this please?

There is still a small lake there, don’t worry, you can dive off lol :P

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Posted by: Zenguy.6421

Zenguy.6421

ANet have a history of balancing things a bit, but not of backing out changes they’ve introduced. Their track record is one of persisting with changes until they either make them work or people give up complaining about them. Which means, for better or worse, the BL map changes are here to stay.

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Posted by: felixdacat.3804

felixdacat.3804

ANet have a history of balancing things a bit, but not of backing out changes they’ve introduced. Their track record is one of persisting with changes until they either make them work or people give up complaining about them.

I know, I know – which is an entirely different discussion in itself. If they want to keep these control points in WvW, then fine, whatever. They should make them balanced and feel like they belong instead of just throwing them in the middle of the map because there was a big ol’ lake there before. There’s a way to achieve both form and function, and this wasn’kitten

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Posted by: Inverted.7439

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I’ve just quit after this last patch, the one thing i loved in this game was the roaming. Now everyone seems to want to roam with 10-15 people in the ruins so I either spend an hour running around looking for a fight or get zerged trying to fight in the ruins.

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Posted by: Dajas.4715

Dajas.4715

I’m loving the new map design, of course it isn’t going to please every one, but as a roamer this is a wet dream come true!

with the original layout i could go half an hour without having a fight (i try not to play prime time, it’s to zergy) but tonight it was non stop 1v1, 2v1, 3v1, 5v5 and so on, it looks like a haven for all us roamers, this is the most fun ive had in a long time in wvw, just a shame about the buff really!

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Posted by: saratoga.4872

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I agree…. if anet really wants these points in the BLs then spread them out to the remote corners (each point in entirely different corner)…and give us back the lake.

I wonder why they did not consider making some island keep with no land access out in the middle of the lake? A Mini SMC I suppose

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Posted by: ukuni.8745

ukuni.8745

I agree with the op, while the new area does look pritty cool for bloodlust (which im loving so far), it really does need a better transition from the usual bl landsacpe, one thing anet should have looked at i think with this is there’s more then just the lake they could have integrated into it like between the garrison and keeps, the keeps and southern towers, just to give it that feel that you are running into a battle field to eventually reach an area devastated by war, but then again if we had this from the start and they threw a lake in instead would we really think its that much diffrent?

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Posted by: Paxus.6543

Paxus.6543

I’ve just quit after this last patch, the one thing i loved in this game was the roaming. Now everyone seems to want to roam with 10-15 people in the ruins so I either spend an hour running around looking for a fight or get zerged trying to fight in the ruins.

well you really must have some bad luck because I have been having tons of great 1v1 fights so far. And to quit for these reasons on the day it was released is just silly. Seems you just wanted a reason to quit