Guild Wars 2

Hello everyone, this post was made to bring to light an issue that has been hampering my enjoyment of this game for some time now. The bottom tier servers, specifically Eredon Terrace which is unfortunately the worst of them all. This post is located in the WvW section which is ironic considering the lack of WvW activity on this server. I have had a GW 2 account for over 2.5 years now and have been playing it off and on throughout that time. I remember the days when Eredon Terrace actually participated in WvW, sure it was after it’s tier one days when I began playing WvW but I could still at least hop in and have some fun during prime time. These days the server is completely dead. I don’t know how we have any points at all to be honest, every single time I get on and check WvW there isn’t a single map with a commander in it and if I had to guess the total population of the world is probably in the single digits, and mind you most of the time this is on weekend days in the early / mid afternoon.

My point is that I love playing WvW and participating in the battles that occur. But I don’t even have the option to anymore, I have been completely gated from enjoying WvW, a feature of the game that I have more than paid for not only with my initial purchase of the game but also with occasional gem purchases over the years. Now I’m willing to bet I’m not the only one, in fact a similar thread had popped up just a few days ago expressing the same exact concerns. This just does not seem fair, money is tight these days and hours at work are long. Guild Wars 2 is one of the few things I still have to help me relax and enjoy myself. I know, I can just spend $20 and transfer servers, but it’s not that simple. Not everybody has $20 they can just throw away to a video game, I have bills to pay and food to put on the table. That aside, it simply isn’t fair to force players to either pay to transfer worlds or simply miss out on arguably, 1/3 of the entire games content.

EOTM isn’t the same, it’s a karma train run by commanders that want to run in circles and uplevels trying to hit 80. I contacted support and wrote off how I felt which can be seen here.

This was met with a simple and somewhat cold response.

It goes on in a similar fashion of me bringing up rather valid points and receiving responses that have no regard for the real issue at hand. I’m not trying to belittle Anet in any way but I feel that this interaction with support is important to the underlying issue. There is a clear lack of empathy here and what’s even worse is that I have very good reason to believe that there have recently been free world transfers from support for reasons as minuscule as a desire to switch worlds.

As quoted by psizone.8437 5 days ago
" Hey, my guild of 4 was in FoW and transferred to Piken a few months back to get some variety in our fights!
We had one of our guild members ask support if they could transfer us all since our matchup was broken and we had been being farmed for months with no change to the matchup and they transferred us all for free.
If you feel strongly about your server not being the place for you, OP, ask support nicely, they may transfer you. "

This is all fine and dandy, but how is it fair that support will transfer some and not others? Bottom tier server players that request it should be given one free transfer, we are stuck here in Eredon Terrace with no way to enjoy WvW and who knows if It will ever get better, I can’t see any logical reason why it would. I’ll end this by requesting any other Eredon Terrace players to speak out, hell even the other two tier 8 servers probably have similar issues. Anet needs to address this and do something, we have been gated by real world money to experience part of the game that we already paid for. It simply isn’t fair to us, and trapping the people that either refuse to pay or who can’t even afford a world transfer is not going to help your bottom line at all. I can’t even imagine how many people have quit over the past few months due to this alone.

Bottom line is that something needs to be done, be it server merging or whatever. It does not matter. I don’t care if my server is called Flappy Wars as long as I can finally enjoy WvW again.

Unfortunately, I highly doubt they will allow already dead servers to be more so by allowing people to transfer off. Perhaps server merging for the WvW zones is an option at some point.

They screwed their own system by allowing paid transfers in the first place.

They ignored this problem for far too long, do not expect any fixes whatsoever. Really, don’t.

You and your friends need to transfer up or stay. Simple as that.

Wickedesigns.1287:

Unfortunately, I highly doubt they will allow already dead servers to be more so by allowing people to transfer off. Perhaps server merging for the WvW zones is an option at some point.

They screwed their own system by allowing paid transfers in the first place.

True, WvW is non existent though. If you get on Eredon Terrace right now and try to find a single commander you won’t be able to. I mean, there is really nobody in WvW anyways so as far as a temporary solution goes, I don’t think transfers would be that bad. However at the end of the day the issue goes much deeper than that, and I agree there needs to be some kind of alternative to prevent this in the future.

It is an unfortunate state, people have been throwing ideas out at Anet for as long as I can remember with regards to WvW populations balancing. WvW is not suppose to be balanced, that’s fine, most will agree that a perfect balance is impossible. That doesn’t mean they should neglect the issue either.

When Mega Servers were rolled out it hurt WvW a lot, sure it was great for all the PvE people but it basically executed some servers. You can’t go into PvE and call for help anymore, you can’t spark interest for people to try WvW. They effectively cut WvW players off from the rest of the population and left servers to die. Intentional or not, that is what has happened.

I think it’s safe to say Anet simply does not care, if they did they would open free transfers to the Bottom Server say once a month for 1-2 days and put stipulations like you have to be coming from Server Rank 12 or higher so it doesn’t hurt the middle servers. There is plenty of other ways to fix it but that is a simple quick fix that would at least show they are trying.

Is there anyone even on ET at this point ? That’s a problem in itself, no one wants to roll the dice on a transfer to help command only to find out you have no one to command.

Random.4691:

Is there anyone even on ET at this point ? That’s a problem in itself, no one wants to roll the dice on a transfer to help command only to find out you have no one to command.

I don’t even know, PvE just is not for me. It is just so boring to me, the only thing I have even been doing is playing in EOTM overflows for just that tiny semblance of WvW. It just sucks being stuck, unable to participate in WvW and experience arguably one of the best parts of the whole game.

So, according to Anet free transfers would be unfair because there are currently people paying for transfers.

So, you’re telling me that because somebody else has paid $20 to simply be able to experience the full game, I should have to pay that too?

Maybe start a petition, free the ET’s ! I’d say start a donation but ya, they really screwed up mailing gold in game as well.

Hey ET guy, I can for sure understand your frustration. A bunch of us in DR are also fed up with T8 and are casually grinding SW for gold to pay for transfers to a more populated server. Yeah its PVE and kinda a bore but when you get a group together thats dedicated in doing something proactive in order to find better fights it’s kinda fun. Just do like us and have a beer and pretend the mordrem are SF Whisper me in game if you are ever down to join us That goes for any ET (or heck any SF we love you to) tired of T8. Best of luck!

Haptic Repulse.9437:

Hello everyone, this post was made to bring to light an issue that has been hampering my enjoyment of this game for some time now. The bottom tier servers, specifically Eredon Terrace which is unfortunately the worst of them all. This post is located in the WvW section which is ironic considering the lack of WvW activity on this server. I have had a GW 2 account for over 2.5 years now and have been playing it off and on throughout that time. I remember the days when Eredon Terrace actually participated in WvW, sure it was after it’s tier one days when I began playing WvW but I could still at least hop in and have some fun during prime time. These days the server is completely dead. I don’t know how we have any points at all to be honest, every single time I get on and check WvW there isn’t a single map with a commander in it and if I had to guess the total population of the world is probably in the single digits, and mind you most of the time this is on weekend days in the early / mid afternoon.

My point is that I love playing WvW and participating in the battles that occur. But I don’t even have the option to anymore, I have been completely gated from enjoying WvW, a feature of the game that I have more than paid for not only with my initial purchase of the game but also with occasional gem purchases over the years. Now I’m willing to bet I’m not the only one, in fact a similar thread had popped up just a few days ago expressing the same exact concerns. This just does not seem fair, money is tight these days and hours at work are long. Guild Wars 2 is one of the few things I still have to help me relax and enjoy myself. I know, I can just spend $20 and transfer servers, but it’s not that simple. Not everybody has $20 they can just throw away to a video game, I have bills to pay and food to put on the table. That aside, it simply isn’t fair to force players to either pay to transfer worlds or simply miss out on arguably, 1/3 of the entire games content.

EOTM isn’t the same, it’s a karma train run by commanders that want to run in circles and uplevels trying to hit 80. I contacted support and wrote off how I felt which can be seen here.

Sorry man, I feel you, I gave up and transferred a year and a half into T8-T6 range, been there and done it all. It sucks that A-Net dropped the ball on this one, in a big way.

Unfortunately A-Net will not do anything about it, I have an uncofirmed feeling its for 2 reasons:

1. Transfers = profits
2. They lack the capability to make appropriate changes in a timely and functional manner.

Tongku.5326:

Haptic Repulse.9437:

Hello everyone, this post was made to bring to light an issue that has been hampering my enjoyment of this game for some time now. The bottom tier servers, specifically Eredon Terrace which is unfortunately the worst of them all. This post is located in the WvW section which is ironic considering the lack of WvW activity on this server. I have had a GW 2 account for over 2.5 years now and have been playing it off and on throughout that time. I remember the days when Eredon Terrace actually participated in WvW, sure it was after it’s tier one days when I began playing WvW but I could still at least hop in and have some fun during prime time. These days the server is completely dead. I don’t know how we have any points at all to be honest, every single time I get on and check WvW there isn’t a single map with a commander in it and if I had to guess the total population of the world is probably in the single digits, and mind you most of the time this is on weekend days in the early / mid afternoon.

My point is that I love playing WvW and participating in the battles that occur. But I don’t even have the option to anymore, I have been completely gated from enjoying WvW, a feature of the game that I have more than paid for not only with my initial purchase of the game but also with occasional gem purchases over the years. Now I’m willing to bet I’m not the only one, in fact a similar thread had popped up just a few days ago expressing the same exact concerns. This just does not seem fair, money is tight these days and hours at work are long. Guild Wars 2 is one of the few things I still have to help me relax and enjoy myself. I know, I can just spend $20 and transfer servers, but it’s not that simple. Not everybody has $20 they can just throw away to a video game, I have bills to pay and food to put on the table. That aside, it simply isn’t fair to force players to either pay to transfer worlds or simply miss out on arguably, 1/3 of the entire games content.

EOTM isn’t the same, it’s a karma train run by commanders that want to run in circles and uplevels trying to hit 80. I contacted support and wrote off how I felt which can be seen here.

1. Transfers = profits

Sadly I feel you are probably right because of this reason mainly. Anet needs to realize that running a company while driving profits doesn’t have to be independent of respecting and catering to your player-base. All things in moderation. The sad part is they’ve probably lost more money from players quitting of sheer boredom that would be buying gems and such, than they have gained from people transferring out of these lower tiers.

Dana.8721:

Hey ET guy, I can for sure understand your frustration. A bunch of us in DR are also fed up with T8 and are casually grinding SW for gold to pay for transfers to a more populated server. Yeah its PVE and kinda a bore but when you get a group together thats dedicated in doing something proactive in order to find better fights it’s kinda fun. Just do like us and have a beer and pretend the mordrem are SF Whisper me in game if you are ever down to join us That goes for any ET (or heck any SF we love you to) tired of T8. Best of luck!

I knew I couldn’t be the only one, clearly there are a few of us out there in this situation. Anet needs to realize this and get it together. Thanks for the offer though, I may take you up on it someday although my time is limited and I don’t know if I could manage the grind but I wish you the best of luck and hope you guys enjoy your time in a real WvW environment.

In all honest they should just merge the bottom tier servers into more mid tier/mid pop servers. Especially if the experience is as dead and devoid of life as you say it is (I’m not doubting you btw). This way you would get more WvW participation out of the mid tier servers, and you can simply take those old bottom tier servers offline, or Reallocate them to some other task.

my whole guild left FC over a year ago because of how dead the server was. i play Pacific time and there would be hours with less than five FC players on the map. I’m not joking or exaggerating, it was just miserable.

anet needs to merge or delete the bottom servers. the conditions are just too poor, and everyone in their right mind is transferring off making them even more dead.

The problem is all those ppl in denial. No don’t take our servers away, we like being the only one on the map. I say merge them and if all 5 of those players quit so be it.

Dr Acula.3496:

In all honest they should just merge the bottom tier servers into more mid tier/mid pop servers. Especially if the experience is as dead and devoid of life as you say it is (I’m not doubting you btw). This way you would get more WvW participation out of the mid tier servers, and you can simply take those old bottom tier servers offline, or Reallocate them to some other task.

This would be a really good solution in my opinion, I would be more than happy with it. And the majority of the PvE’rs probably wouldn’t even notice the merge. I don’t get why it hasn’t been done yet. I doubt any Anet players have to live with not being able to ever play WvW. They need to empathize with their customers and put themselves in their shoes. Every day I go without being able to play WvW, my desire to continue playing diminishes…

They haven’t done it because doing so means their population has dropped and they can’t deny it. Merges aren’t a bad thing, 24 servers if you have to merge 3 after 3 years that’s nothing to be ashamed of.

Random.4691:

The problem is all those ppl in denial. No don’t take our servers away, we like being the only one on the map. I say merge them and if all 5 of those players quit so be it.

I agree completely.

Random.4691:

They haven’t done it because doing so means their population has dropped and they can’t deny it. Merges aren’t a bad thing, 24 servers if you have to merge 3 after 3 years that’s nothing to be ashamed of.

I feel like this plays a part, they want to have enough players to keep these servers but the way they are going about it is killing off their player base even more quickly.

Random.4691:

They haven’t done it because doing so means their population has dropped and they can’t deny it. Merges aren’t a bad thing, 24 servers if you have to merge 3 after 3 years that’s nothing to be ashamed of.

lol and I just love how every server that isn’t T1/T2 claims it’s at Very High pop… I HIGHLY doubt that. I’d give a bulk majority High/Medium at best.

T3 is up there, T2 is arguably higher NA pop than T1. Even T4 is still alright but anything beyond that is pretty bland even during NA prime

They can’t merge servers because the servers can’t handle the influx. Sure WvW pop is small on certain servers, but the other PvE population is not. Their hardware systems just won’t allow for it as the systems used, from the start, couldn’t handle huge populations all at once without performance issues.

Server transfers non paid just don’t exist, yes someone might claim it to be, but unless they had someone on the inside who knew them, it is doubtful. So just don’t expect that.

Normally, I throw my tag up in WvW for ET and for about the first 2 hours I command myself only and that is being literal. Generally, if I stay on about 4-5 hours I can manage about 4 of us (myself included), and never see another soul come out or even send a message in any chat. Anyone who knows me from the old days knows I am no slouch at commanding; fact is there just isn’t anyone.

Anyway, you are just screwed unless you pay the gems, plain and simple. You can look for me when I am out there <gilkin> or any one of my 7 other similarly named characters and you are more than welcome to run with me. Then we can get steamrolled together

Also, at least SF isn’t borlis pass; BP would camp every single exit from every single rez area on every single map the majority of the day with lots of people. That was the final nail in our coffin.

It would take a bit of work but they actually could keep those 3 servers for character storage but when u que you go to X server for wvw. It’s really no different than guesting or mega servers. Just shut down wvw on the bottom 3 servers and direct that traffic to whichever server they “merge” with

Life on ET stinks sadly. Our WvW population is terrible. I’m in the same boat as you. I try to WvW I steal a few camps by myself every now and then. Its pathetic though. Even the lower tower servers we vs now are like 5x the size of ET.

Come over to ehmry bay, we would love to have you. Some serversout there are not t1 servers but are having a blast because the user base is static, we have gone through all the megaserver and exodus phases and who is there always will be,us being one. Id say hold out for that on your server or message me in game. if you are willing to join ehmry and onyxguard we assist folks in transfers to ehmry as long as you show you are serious about it.

I am also on ET, and I am just waiting for HoT and this new map they’re implementing, hopefully they do something about the population imbalance, like server mergers, free/cheaper transfering costs, different matchup system.

wyther.8372:

They can’t merge servers because the servers can’t handle the influx. Sure WvW pop is small on certain servers, but the other PvE population is not.

What influx? There are no PvE servers. We’re all playing on the same megaserver. You could join entire T1 together and it would change absolutely nothing in PvE. It would cause 300 man WvW queues, but thats another problem.

Of course, if they can’t ensure that all servers are active, they should transfer you to an active WvW server, free of charge.

WvW is part of the game and you have a right to be able to take part in it, without being almost totally on your own, or paying to transfer.

Paid transfers should be for people already on an active server, who just fancy playing on another one, instead; not for people who are on a dead server and have no reasonable choice but to transfer.

This is one of the reasons why I hate the no-sub thing, as I feel companies can just hide behind it, as an excuse for poor service.

Someone could have, potentially, poured $1000s into the game, via buying virtual items etc. and still, somehow, be made to feel they have very little right to expect anything very much, in terms of the maintenance, upkeep and balancing of the game.

We’ve had free transfers in the past, that was why HoD steamrolled Bronze Tier NA during spring tournament last year as they have been the highest ranked server with free transfers. That was a really bad idea actually as everybody and their mother went to HoD. I guess it’s a bit more complicated than just handing out free transfers as your server really would have no chance afterwards. I get your point though but to me having fun in game was more important than gold, so I transfered 3 times – and would do it again if wvw wasn’t broken right now anyway.

Haptic Repulse.9437:

So, you’re telling me that because somebody else has paid $20 to simply be able to experience the full game, I should have to pay that too?

That’s what anet wants, afterall server transfers are now exclusively for WvW players as no other player now needs to transfer to a different server.

Though you do not have to pay $20, you can spend hours grinding for gold to buy the gems to transfer. You only need about 330 gold.

Tigaseye.2047:

Of course, if they can’t ensure that all servers are active, they should transfer you to an active WvW server, free of charge.

WvW is part of the game and you have a right to be able to take part in it, without being almost totally on your own, or paying to transfer.

Paid transfers should be for people already on an active server, who just fancy playing on another one, instead; not for people who are on a dead server and have no reasonable choice but to transfer.

This is one of the reasons why I hate the no-sub thing, as I feel companies can just hide behind it, as an excuse for poor service.

Someone could have, potentially, poured $1000s into the game, via buying virtual items etc. and still, somehow, be made to feel they have very little right to expect anything very much, in terms of the maintenance, upkeep and balancing of the game.

This is what it comes down to. It’s appalling that their not doing anything for the bottom tiers. This problem has been created by the lack of attention to WvW, it’s part of the game and it should be Anet responsibility that it is running effectively. You have players literally unable to play a game mode because you refuse to do anything about the issues we have been pointing out since day one. Move them already, they paid for your game and deserve to enjoy all aspects of it. The problem isn’t going to get better, what happens when new players join and pick ET ? They go into WvW and t’s dead, they tell their friends not to buy the game because it’s dead. Sure other servers are alive and well but the new players don’t know this, their first impression is dead game, I wonder how many sales you have lost because the perception is the game is dead all because they picked the wrong server.

When are you going to start respecting your player base ? Just bring back all the GW1 devs to run GW2 and get rid of the money hungry GW2 team already.

So you map hop looking for a commander tag and what….. go to eotm when you don’t find one? Gee I wonder why it’s a ”dead” server.

Why don’t you buy some siege and start tagging up yourself? Give the other pugs that can’t think for themselves something to rally to.

This is what made me stop playing a while back. I don’t/can’t play during the hours most people do, so I’m stuck with no WvW, and therefore nothing interesting to do (in my own opinion). So I log out.

Sad, the recent changes and upcoming expansion rekindled my interest a bit, but I literally just logged in and out within 20 minutes due to zero activity. Haven’t bought the expansion yet, and at this rate I can’t justify it.

Puck.9612:

So you map hop looking for a commander tag and what….. go to eotm when you don’t find one? Gee I wonder why it’s a ”dead” server.

Why don’t you buy some siege and start tagging up yourself? Give the other pugs that can’t think for themselves something to rally to.

Maybe next time you should read ALL the replies instead of posting and looking like a fool. There is a Commander from ET in this thread, but you would know that if you had taken the time to read.

Random.4691:

Puck.9612:

So you map hop looking for a commander tag and what….. go to eotm when you don’t find one? Gee I wonder why it’s a ”dead” server.

Why don’t you buy some siege and start tagging up yourself? Give the other pugs that can’t think for themselves something to rally to.

Maybe next time you should read ALL the replies instead of posting and looking like a fool. There is a Commander from ET in this thread, but you would know that if you had taken the time to read.

Oh I saw that, I also saw all the fairweathers including the op who leave WvW when they don’t see a tag.
If you had more people tagging up on a regular basis you would have more people coming into WvW on a regular basis.
I play on AR, we spent our fair share of time in T8 and we dragged ourselves out of it by getting organized. If the op doesn’t like his situation he can grind some gold to pay for a transfer, delete his characters and move, or get off his butt and help his server out. Leaving WvW because no one is tagged and qq’ing on the forums isn’t helping anything.

Do not compare AR with ET, two completely different beasts. I was on AR for the trip down to T8 and back up, it is not even remotely close to the same thing. AR still had people playing in WvW, it wasn’t huge numbers but there was activity, ET has literally no activity. You can’t pull water from a well that is dry.

Random.4691:

Do not compare AR with ET, two completely different beasts. I was on AR for the trip down to T8 and back up, it is not even remotely close to the same thing. AR still had people playing in WvW, it wasn’t huge numbers but there was activity, ET has literally no activity. You can’t pull water from a well that is dry.

That’s bullkitten, AR was dead during the last tournament, then the few guilds started running events, making sure to tag regularly and getting there pve players into WvW. Once the ball started rolling more and more pve players started hopping in.

We still loose a kitten ton of fairweather players on bad weeks but on good weeks we open recruit and train our new players, and those players stick around.

It’s really not BS at all. If you have an alternate a count available with low levels delete them and visit ET, it’s a world of difference than what AR and all the other stuck in T8 went through.

You can’t expect a new person never commanding before to try anything against a server with dual boxers and generally 10-1 odds. That just doesn’t work unless you have some numbers. Trailing 3-5 guys behind a commander, you just can’t build enough numbers. You are hit too much and too often. The dual boxing accounts on both other servers calling out ET commander positions make sure of that. Yes, your own guys whisper me when you are doing this and it is quite often.

The only way for ET and Devona to get numbers is to take camps and stuff like hylek only and NEVER take a tower for probably a week. Then SF will get completely bored and their fair weather horde will leave out of boredom. Since that will never happen there is little chance of gaining any WvW population.

ET won’t gain PvE guilds for WvW, we don’t get an influx of new people; most of those PvE guilds have been around long enough to not bother with WvW. That leaves only WvW guilds transferring in from other servers; which is the EXACT reason ET is such a wasteland right now. Those WvW guilds come in, stripped all of its WvW base, then left.

Sorry guys, but if you want WvW like it is meant to be you will have to leave ET for the foreseeable future.

Well ET is currently 4k ahead of the PVF’ers on DR, lolololol…sad.

Puck.9612:

Random.4691:

Do not compare AR with ET, two completely different beasts. I was on AR for the trip down to T8 and back up, it is not even remotely close to the same thing. AR still had people playing in WvW, it wasn’t huge numbers but there was activity, ET has literally no activity. You can’t pull water from a well that is dry.

That’s bullkitten, AR was dead during the last tournament, then the few guilds started running events, making sure to tag regularly and getting there pve players into WvW. Once the ball started rolling more and more pve players started hopping in.

We still loose a kitten ton of fairweather players on bad weeks but on good weeks we open recruit and train our new players, and those players stick around.

If you haven’t played on ET, you clearly don’t understand the severity. The fact that you probably haven’t ever even been on ET makes it rather easy for me to discount your opinion. Thanks for adding to the discussion though.

Haptic Repulse.9437:

Puck.9612:

Random.4691:

Do not compare AR with ET, two completely different beasts. I was on AR for the trip down to T8 and back up, it is not even remotely close to the same thing. AR still had people playing in WvW, it wasn’t huge numbers but there was activity, ET has literally no activity. You can’t pull water from a well that is dry.

That’s bullkitten, AR was dead during the last tournament, then the few guilds started running events, making sure to tag regularly and getting there pve players into WvW. Once the ball started rolling more and more pve players started hopping in.

We still loose a kitten ton of fairweather players on bad weeks but on good weeks we open recruit and train our new players, and those players stick around.

If you haven’t played on ET, you clearly don’t understand the severity. The fact that you probably haven’t ever even been on ET makes it rather easy for me to discount your opinion. Thanks for adding to the discussion though.

I’ve had an account on AR since launch, we were in your shoes for a long time. There was a about a year straight that T8 was ET, AR, X server.
You say it is completely dead but there are at least 4 or 5 people in this thread alone that said they play on ET. Quit complaining and organize an event between you. Figure out a good time that you all can show up and get 4 or 5 guildies to join each of you. There you go, 20-25 people.
If you do something gimicky like a minion master night you will probably get a crap ton of PvE’ers to join you.

Puck.9612:

Haptic Repulse.9437:

Puck.9612:

Random.4691:

Do not compare AR with ET, two completely different beasts. I was on AR for the trip down to T8 and back up, it is not even remotely close to the same thing. AR still had people playing in WvW, it wasn’t huge numbers but there was activity, ET has literally no activity. You can’t pull water from a well that is dry.

That’s bullkitten, AR was dead during the last tournament, then the few guilds started running events, making sure to tag regularly and getting there pve players into WvW. Once the ball started rolling more and more pve players started hopping in.

We still loose a kitten ton of fairweather players on bad weeks but on good weeks we open recruit and train our new players, and those players stick around.

If you haven’t played on ET, you clearly don’t understand the severity. The fact that you probably haven’t ever even been on ET makes it rather easy for me to discount your opinion. Thanks for adding to the discussion though.

I’ve had an account on AR since launch, we were in your shoes for a long time. There was a about a year straight that T8 was ET, AR, X server.
You say it is completely dead but there are at least 4 or 5 people in this thread alone that said they play on ET. Quit complaining and organize an event between you. Figure out a good time that you all can show up and get 4 or 5 guildies to join each of you. There you go, 20-25 people.
If you do something gimicky like a minion master night you will probably get a crap ton of PvE’ers to join you.

Gimmicks aren’t the cure. its a bad attempt to swallow BS without having to taste poopy. Despite the actual numbers of players on ET that WvW, I foresee a lot of failed coordination of schedules or worse yet, the lack of willingness to kitten in the wind. When people that actually enjoy WvW get in there and find that no one else is there, its just not enjoyable. I completely understand what he was getting at. Sad thing is… regardless of what other servers did when they were tier 8, they aren’t there now and don’t actually know what its like in this instance. So the guidance of “there you go, 20-25 people” might have been offered in an attempt to bring a ray of sunshine into this rainy day… it just shows that not everyone fully understands their plight. Im on t7 and its about the same. Even with 6 major guilds… the matchups are broken. The only reason Isle of Janthir barely hold on is because of the prime time… yet its a ghost town just about any other time. I may be the only one reading between the lines here, but he said they have no commanders. There is probably a reason for that… Anyone that commands wants people to command. If no one shows up to fight, whats the point of tagging up?

I posted a thread earlier today on a recommendation I have to fix the server problem. Im not an advocate for making things “fair” just evening out the numbers. Skill is on the individual players and ability to lead is on the individual commanders; I just want to see more opportunity for players to get what they already pay for as well. Check it out and comment if you like…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/My-recomendation-on-WvW-server-revamp

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They can’t merge servers because the servers can’t handle the influx. Sure WvW pop is small on certain servers, but the other PvE population is not. Their hardware systems just won’t allow for it as the systems used, from the start, couldn’t handle huge populations all at once without performance issues.

Server transfers non paid just don’t exist, yes someone might claim it to be, but unless they had someone on the inside who knew them, it is doubtful. So just don’t expect that.

Normally, I throw my tag up in WvW for ET and for about the first 2 hours I command myself only and that is being literal. Generally, if I stay on about 4-5 hours I can manage about 4 of us (myself included), and never see another soul come out or even send a message in any chat. Anyone who knows me from the old days knows I am no slouch at commanding; fact is there just isn’t anyone.

Anyway, you are just screwed unless you pay the gems, plain and simple. You can look for me when I am out there <gilkin> or any one of my 7 other similarly named characters and you are more than welcome to run with me. Then we can get steamrolled together

Also, at least SF isn’t borlis pass; BP would camp every single exit from every single rez area on every single map the majority of the day with lots of people. That was the final nail in our coffin.

Oh I remember some good times following your lead. You may not remember, but not so long ago I was one of the 5ish people trying to defend our keep in Eternal Battlegrounds and I recognized you from way back when ET still had some players still actively participating in WvW.

This is why WvW is boring. Boring. Boring. Boring. Boring.

So many people want to do karma trains and go in circles and avoid any pvp at all. It’s a huge bore. Boring. Boredom. ZzZzzz

Like when you see the castles and there are all these siege weapons and whatnot… pretty kitten misleading.

I tried to get my brother to play some WvW and even after a week he said the exact same thing. It’s boring. Its god aweful boring. No pvp and sometimes its jsut the larger zerg eats the smaller zerg.

Idk why people bother with this game mode. I really dont. You never see any guilds putting up their banners at a keep or trying whatsoever to try and defend it. It’s a merry-go-round of karma grinding. Karma grind. grind. Farming. Farming.

Some people enjoy it. So whatever. lol. Dem farmers wanna farm.

They could do a sale where you get 2 transfers for the price of one. That way you could always move back or make a more educated decision based on the tier.

As per our observation being on DR, T8 wasn’t as dead as a year or two ago. There have been lots of action going on in in T8 during late 2013, early 2014 when DR was in T8 vs KN, ET, AR or whoever. What caused this? Guilds moving to stack high tiers after S3. DR’s old big guilds moved to stack T2 and T1 servers. And those two tiers are probably even more stacked than ever with the more recent movements.

A year ago or a year and a half ago I will dispute people from higher tiers calling T8, T7, T6 as dead servers as they’re not. But now, if people from higher tiers says it’s dead, I would agree that it’s definitely dead especially in the off hours of NA where I play.

This is probably due to these reasons:

1. GW2 losing wvw players.

2. Guilds moving to stack higher tiers for more competitive environments which is creating a huge imbalance of population in the NA servers. Think a bell curve swinging way too much on one side.

3. Megaservers. We could recruit PVE players before in home servers.

4. servers not having a high number of pve and new players alike.

From those, we can then map a chain of events leading to the hole we have in the Bronze tiers. Pug/fight Guild moves to another tier to find more competition or action, then the people in the other server doesn’t have decent competition and then they also move to a higher tier for competition creating this situation. We try to recover the losses but the inflow of new players becomes slower due to the server (or the game itself) probably not having as much new players as before. Recruiting PVE players also becomes harder due to Megaservers and guilds will not move to a server with no fights. We’ve had a guild move to DR for a week and then move out due to the lack of fights.

DR never had a big PVE population after certain PVx guilds of old either left/disbanded/quit. Of course there are servers with naturally high PVE population who will appear strong from time to time like AR, DH, GoM as per my experience and what my old pals from those servers told me, they might have a easier time rebuilding a community. Guilds used to move from here long ago because they were looking for less toxic communities to play in. Now, it’s different Bronze guilds move because we can’t find anymore reason to stay in a living dead tier. As of now, DR and ET are losing more players and will be even more dead. I will be on the move soon after 3 years of fun memories on DR.

How’s the T8, T7, T6 situation in EU compared to NA?

Yup, this is the way it works, half the servers are empty most of the time, some are just always empty. If you want to actually play the game you have to get an auto-clicker to manage to join Tier 1 or 2 and give Anet more money because they won’t fix their server system.