Guild Wars 2

So I was thinking that I would run some numbers about the WvW titles. With numbers as high as say “1,000,000 yak kills” for Ultimate Interceptor. So lets be generous and say that you can kill a yak every 5 minutes. By some grace of god you are allowed to hound a camp and no one bothers you. Now lets say you don’t require sleep, food, or water. Now you can play 24/7 all 52 weeks of the year. which breaks down to about 8736 hours a year and 524,160 minutes a year. Now we take the amount we can kill in that amount of time and we get 104,832 Yaks/Year, which ultimately breaks down to ~10 years give or take of absolutely non-stop playing. Now I know A-net has high hopes for its game, but a 10 year life span on a MMO is uncommon. There is no realistic way without cheating to attain this title. I understand that the WvW titles should be a achievement, but as the numbers say a non-stop amazing playing can get it in 10 years. Do they not want people to get the titles at all? Even some one who plays around 16 hours a day and is amazing would take about 14 years to get it. It’s almost like they put these titles in like a joke. Maybe it’s just to keep track of everything, but then why not make it so like T10 is something like 100,000 yak kills and gets you the title and there are T11 and T12 that reach up to 1,000,000?

TL;DR: WvW titles are Impossible for any human being.

I agree. Great read.

+1 Internets. Excellent argument. Well presented.

Are there any unrelated third-parties willing to confirm the math?

Now, where again is that silly little design manifesto?

This is very well stated and I agree.

But then everything in WvW is 10 times less rewarding than playing PvE.

Just wait for the patch in February.
Since they mentioned they are focusing in character progress through wvw its almost certain every achievement is going to be changed cause all of them are overtuned now.

I’m half way to the ultimate technician title for repairing walls. But it has come at the expense of people raging when I use fully upgraded SM supplies to repair walls.

Indigus.9528:

Just wait for the patch in February.
Since they mentioned they are focusing in character progress through wvw its almost certain every achievement is going to be changed cause all of them are overtuned now.

I think we should keep on discussing on what we would want to be changed rather then just wait and see.

On topic: i would love to see the achievements to become more like the titles in GW1, meaning: that once you get to tier# of an achievement you get to display a title and with every new tier achieved you get a similar one with a bit better name.
In case of the Dolyaks you should go from … Yakslapper to Ultimate Yakslapper.

Have Fun.

zortek.9607:

+1 Internets. Excellent argument. Well presented.

Are there any unrelated third-parties willing to confirm the math?

Now, where again is that silly little design manifesto?

I can confirms that his maths are correct.

1 Yakk every 5 minutes, = 12 yakks per 60 minutes

12 yakks per hour, = 288 yakks per day

288 yakks per day = 2016 yakks per week

2016 yakks per week = 104,823 per year

Which is approximately 10 years, and lets assume you don’t sleep, eat, work or have a life. Speaking of which, with such a lifestyle you would probably die of starvation after 1 month. That’s if the sleep deprivation doesn’t kill you first.

1,000,000? Honestly seeing the rate of Yak killing by most regular players, anything above 5000 is really unrealistic. I’m quiet an active player and I only have 500 over the couple of months I’ve been playing this…and the sad part is I am more progressed in that achievement than the other, more ridiculous, WvW achievements.

I’m not saying this is wrong or unrealistic, but you left out some variables.
2 yaks pop per camp, you can run roughly 3 camps in a 5 minute rotation. this is the optimum set up of course of you not owning anything in the area and running between the 3 camps.

that’s 6 yaks every 5 minutes
72 every hour
1,728 a day
12,096 a week
628,992 a year
it would take you roughly 83 weeks non stop farming to obtain this title

let’s put this in a realistic time frame

8 hours a weekday, and 12 a weekend that’s 64 hours. You hit roughly 4 yaks a rotation.

Nonestop in this time frame
3,072 a week
159,744 a year
That’s roughly 6 years and 3 months of farming dolyaks none stop for 64 hours a week!

While this is still an unrealistic goal, and honestly 10 years would be what it would take at that rate as well. It would be more logical at 100,000 total or 500,000 for a lifetime goal as 5 years I can possibly understand for a game

I think you are forgetting the fact that titles have zero relevance

Chiolas.1326:

I think you are forgetting the fact that titles have zero relevance

Then why were they put into the game?

Trick question; because they are relevant.

Cirus.5748:

zortek.9607:

+1 Internets. Excellent argument. Well presented.

Are there any unrelated third-parties willing to confirm the math?

Now, where again is that silly little design manifesto?

I can confirms that his maths are correct.

1 Yakk every 5 minutes, = 12 yakks per 60 minutes

12 yakks per hour, = 288 yakks per day

288 yakks per day = 2016 yakks per week

2016 yakks per week = 104,823 per year

Which is approximately 10 years, and lets assume you don’t sleep, eat, work or have a life. Speaking of which, with such a lifestyle you would probably die of starvation after 1 month. That’s if the sleep deprivation doesn’t kill you first.

I, too, did the math. You’re both correct. However (lol) there was news during the launch of Diablo 3 that a player died after playing the game 3 straight days—without food, rest, anything. So a month is way too generous! hahah

this thread is spot on, and I guarantee Habib, Chris, or the other rednames will ignore it. When they created wvw they just tossed out random numbers, slapped some glue on it and chucked it out there and hoped for the best. if something breaks, “oh well not that many people wvw anyway”. already we have lost a sizable portion of the wvw community and having silly unrealistic titles is just another sprinkle on the cake of failure.

I didn’t think the achievements were that insane. I seriously doubt anyone in the game will ever be able to display a single one of those titles. Was thinking I had made good progress by going for tier 4 for Realm Avenger.

Having those titles would help a lot in WvW because displaying “Ultimate Besieger” for example would indicate that the person knows his stuff about siege weapons and “Ultimate Raider” of course expertises in raiding supply camps.

What kills me is the relative ease that sPVP has with their titles, when compared to WvW.

TheGreatA.4192:

I didn’t think the achievements were that insane.

It’s allways one… I bet you write contra in all the posts

Chiolas.1326:

I think you are forgetting the fact that titles have zero relevance

Sometimes it’s just about the little things in a game. with a perspective like that, games have no relevance to life, life has no relevance, to existence, and existence has no relevance.

Don’t pick at something because you don’t care for it.

spiritus.7983:

TheGreatA.4192:

I didn’t think the achievements were that insane.

It’s allways one… I bet you write contra in all the posts

You misunderstood me. I should have rather said that I did not know that they were that insane and was actively going for them. Now I might as well drop those attempts since no human being can achieve those titles.

This math makes sense, except if you’re only getting one kill every 5 minutes then you’re not playing WvW properly. WvW is full of huge battles, and all you need do is hit everyone in the enemy group once to get kill credit for all of them. You can easily defend for 10 minutes and end up with hundreds of kills.

That said, even a kill every minute, every 10 seconds, is not enough to make it to a million in any fair amount of time. Spending 6 months of nonstop WvW isn’t any less insane than 10 years. There are entire armies that never killed a million people. How is one person supposed to?

Mysteries.3659:

This math makes sense, except if you’re only getting one kill every 5 minutes then you’re not playing WvW properly. WvW is full of huge battles, and all you need do is hit everyone in the enemy group once to get kill credit for all of them. You can easily defend for 10 minutes and end up with hundreds of kills.

That said, even a kill every minute, every 10 seconds, is not enough to make it to a million in any fair amount of time. Spending 6 months of nonstop WvW isn’t any less insane than 10 years. There are entire armies that never killed a million people. How is one person supposed to?

Reading comprehension failure. OP said yak kills, so unless you are fighting huge battles against armies of yaks, your post is completely irrelevant.

Mysteries.3659:

This math makes sense, except if you’re only getting one kill every 5 minutes then you’re not playing WvW properly. WvW is full of huge battles, and all you need do is hit everyone in the enemy group once to get kill credit for all of them. You can easily defend for 10 minutes and end up with hundreds of kills.

That said, even a kill every minute, every 10 seconds, is not enough to make it to a million in any fair amount of time. Spending 6 months of nonstop WvW isn’t any less insane than 10 years. There are entire armies that never killed a million people. How is one person supposed to?

The math was about killing dolyaks, and there isn’t a huge supply of them despite needing to kill 4 times the amount. The Ultimate Dominator title is actually achievable in comparison.

Sorry, my server was fighting Yak’s Bend for awhile, yak is basically synonymous with noob for me.
In that case, this title is impossible. Maybe 10,000 would be a little more realistic.

Also, the title should be changed from Ultimate Interceptor to Yak Slapper. Titles should be varied. Some should be serious, some funny, some just plain silly. Many should be somewhat easy to achieve, with some much more difficult to achieve.

See Rift – Many titles were pretty easy to get just by leveling. Some required specific effort of a week. Some took way longer. While largely irrelevant to game play, they are fun to earn.

Indigus.9528:

Just wait for the patch in February.
Since they mentioned they are focusing in character progress through wvw its almost certain every achievement is going to be changed cause all of them are overtuned now.

To be honest, I really have a lot of hopes for the patch in February. If ANet won’t deliver what they promised, I am afraid the WvW population is going to die within couple weeks after February patch released. crossing my fingers, thumbs, and toes

All of this is based on the assumption the max title requires 1,000,000 yak kills. While that’s what the wiki currently states is the total required, it’s worth noting that whoever filled in those figures somehow didn’t know how many achievement points any of the previous ranks were worth. That’s also the only edit that person has ever made, and it’s from an IP rather than an actual account.

Is there anyone who has access to at least tier 3 that can even verify that level’s requirement? I would expect it to follow the patterns set by other titles’ progression. According to the same page, escorting yaks requires 500,000 escorts (again, appears to be pure projection based on the lack of achievement point counts).

Wasabee.5031:

To be honest, I really have a lot of hopes for the patch in February.

Based on what? The great patches Anet has given us so far?

Waffler.1257:

Wasabee.5031:

To be honest, I really have a lot of hopes for the patch in February.

Based on what? The great patches Anet has given us so far?

OMG, deadpan realism… hopetimism denied!

Are you seriously trying to take away his hopium pipe?

Yeah some of those titles are insane, it makes you wonder if they even did the math themselves before they put them in the game.

And to kill all hopes for any changes/improvements to WvW…
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Fun-WvW-Interview-w-Anet-Devs/first#post1054404

it seems they are clueless about their own game

How such a thing can be a feature in the best of all the MMO ever ?
Cant believe it :/

Oh well… may be it’s just because they actually don’t give a **** about WvWvW and related players/customers.

Sorry, it was just some 3W player futile concerns… dont mind about it