Guild Wars 2

My by far biggest frustration in regards to WvW is how claiming currently works, not only is it conducive to trolling, it is also hindering playing WvW in an enjoyable fashion. And not much has to change to solve this, and still keep the ‘spy to take a tower’ strategy some of us have to endure at times (i think my personal opinion on this matter shouldn’t interfere with other peoples moral standards in a case of war (all is fair in love and war, or say ‘they’ say)).

So first what is frustrating:
1. The inability to claim a supply camp with a small group (say 3 people) with all different guilds. Not being able to claim this camp for a +5 buff severely hinders doing an impromptu havocgroup (for some reason people do not like to just stand around for 2.5min twiddling their thumbs). The same thing applies in regards to doing a guerrilla action during outnumbered periods…

2. The fact that once claimed, one can not ‘un claim’ a structure, and with buffs running out after a certain amount of time, I found that more then often a structure is claimed by a guild, buffs have run out, and there is nobody of said guild around to claim something else. This severely hinders a good defence especially during off hours.

3. Having Spy’s or Noobs claiming structures without putting any buffs on. The noobs obviously don’t know better. But for spies it’s a valid tactic to prevent the defending side from putting any buffs up. Seeing my previous mention of ‘all is fair in love and war’ my suggestion will take the spy action into account as a valid action under circumstances.

Solutions:
A. Remove the claim rights on all supply camps! If a guild is leading the assault they are usually the ones to claim for the +5. Other people will likely not claim, and if they do, and they have a +5 buff running nobody cares that it’s not the leading guild that puts it there, the +5 matters here not the flag.

In regards to towers and keeps, if they are all governed by the same ‘system’ then I obviously do not mind if it changes for these structures as well. But seeing I mostly run into the camp system my priority is there, and i could imagine that guilds may prefer claim rights on the bigger things (though in general i do not think they even care, they care about which buffs are running, not who put them there).

B. It should be possible to claim a structure that is already claimed by another guild. BUT! only if there are no buffs running. I wondered if more buffs should take president over less buffs, but I find it more important that a currently active guild on the server can take over the structure from a guild that isn’t on the server anymore, than who can put up the most buffs.

C. The solution in B. gives an option for spies too. Currently they will have to claim a structure when there is no buff on it. What I encountered was the server taking a structure without any buffs on it, claimed though (and unable to un claim obviously), flipping it, to then have a spy on stand-by just after we ‘re-took’ it. Obviously there wasn’t a buff running and we couldn’t claim it, as soon as the timer on the claimer ran out they were all back and took it again.

While I obviously didn’t like it (nor some other (or same) spy depleting our supply with some upgrades prior to taking it the first time). I think this is just part of war in WvW. Now if a spy overtakes a claim on a structure without any buffs, that is a viable strategy. But if they have no claim running, one could obviously overwrite that claim (if they have a claim it would at least help the disadvantaged server). That is why I would like to suggest C to being Righteous Claim a 5min timer put on a structure after one claims it.

This gives said person 5min to put up a buff, or gives a spy a 5min window to have their server attack. And any troll or noob only disadvantages the entire server for these 5min.

adD. It would be very nice if the claimer could actually display the guild that currently owns the structure. While I’m trying hard to recognize the guilds based upon their ‘colors’, having a name displayed when one talks to the claimer could help with this, as well as the guild making a name for themselves. It would also help a lot as one could ask ‘is there anyone from ’this’ guild around’, instead of asking ‘is there anyone around with ’these colours’ around’.

100% agree. I posted about this a few weeks back.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Feature-Request-Automatic-Claim-Removal/

I really like this proposal. It would be great if anet could implement these changes.

+100

The simplest solution is if your guild had more buffs available than the claimed guild, then you can claim it from them without them claiming something else.

Claiming from no buffs isnt a good idea, what if the claimed guild doesnt have the buff you are looking for, or has less buff than you? You dont want to be waiting hours for all their buff to run out.

Arghore.8340:

1. The inability to claim a supply camp with a small group (say 3 people) with all different guilds. Not being able to claim this camp for a +5 buff severely hinders doing an impromptu havocgroup (for some reason people do not like to just stand around for 2.5min twiddling their thumbs). The same thing applies in regards to doing a guerrilla action during outnumbered periods…

Yes. Sometimes this even happens when it’s just a friend and me and he forgot to change his guild representation to our common guild. While I’d be fine with it being removed entirely for camps, I think they could simply reduce the delay to 1 minute instead of 3 and it wouldn’t be so bad.

Arghore.8340:

2. The fact that once claimed, one can not ‘un claim’ a structure, and with buffs running out after a certain amount of time, I found that more then often a structure is claimed by a guild, buffs have run out, and there is nobody of said guild around to claim something else. This severely hinders a good defence especially during off hours.

This, too. Put messages into guild chat that the buff is running out in WvW 15 minutes before it does and then when it does. Once it runs out, another guild should be able to take over the claim.

I also think there should be a way to simply unclaim something you’ve claimed without having to go claim a camp or something to move it. That would be less of an issue if you could over-claim when no buffs are running, but it would still be nice to reliquish a claim on purpose.

Finally, I’d like an “OK/Cancel” dialog to pop up when you make a claim if that claim is going to move the claim from some other objective. Something like, “Claiming Greenbriar will remove the guild claim on Cliffside. OK/Cancel”. One of the reasons why I use small personal guilds in WvW is so that I can move claims around without having to worry about accientally moving a claim that someone else in a larger guild made that I wasn’t aware of. I don’t want to accidentally pull a claim off of a keep to get a +5 supply buff on a camp, for example, or to take a +5 claim away from someone else who is using it to build siege weapons in a tower or keep.

You can see the claiming guild’s name using a live map web site such as this but I agree it should also be available in the game itself. Having the guild claimer dialog tell you is one good way to do it. Another way to do it would be to make the banner clickable and show the name and abbreviation for the claiming guild.

This does need to be a further discussion and review. In the least never understood why there isn’t a way for a guild to unclaim and objective in case their buffs have run out or if they want to unclaim it for someone that is running more buffs.

Remove the idea of “claiming” and turn it into “buffing”. Your banners can still fly and all that when your guild has it buffed, but if another guild comes along with more (not equal) buffs active than yours. They can override your buff and buff it themselves.