Guild Wars 2

FINALLY
This change is a medium between both NA and Euro, and is pretty equal.

Before NA were getting the best time. Like legit awesome reset time.
While for months euro’s reset has been at a really really stupid time.
So now its like Okies either side.
Especially for me, because I play on an NA server but am from Europe.

This is not a fix, period. This is just reversing the roles of NA and EU. It fixes nothing. Either find a way to implement a secondary reset time for EU or put the game back in beta and rework WvW where you have EU on a different server than NA. If that is not possible then upgrade the server so that it can remove the notion of queue system. If that still doesn’t work then it’ll be just down hill from then on. The problem in WvW right now is imbalance players causing uneven odds for the outmanned side. Address that issue and it will cure everything else. It is just as plain and simple as that so please stop focusing on band-aids and look for a cure.

Thankyouthankyouthankyou!

The weekends were messing up my sleeping patterns into the middle of the week, really appreciated.

What I’m hearing from all you US players is that if you’re not there to get in in time you all have to queue up and can’t play reset.
And if you were working or at school or something similar you couldn’t get on in time.
So basically the maps will still be full, same amount of people who weren’t able to play before because of queues won’t be able to play now, it’s just some other players.
IN FACT since the reset is earlier, the blitz will happen earlier the big influx always dies down and certain people will leave and some people will actually be able to log in. Instead of it putting you in a disadvantage it might give you a positive effect instead.

Meanwhile this change is just GREAT for Europe. Thank you!

And thank you NA players on proving on how much more NA whines than EU.

Ilesyt.7084:

What I’m hearing from all you US players is that if you’re not there to get in in time you all have to queue up and can’t play reset.
And if you were working or at school or something similar you couldn’t get on in time.
So basically the maps will still be full, same amount of people who weren’t able to play before because of queues won’t be able to play now, it’s just some other players.
IN FACT since the reset is earlier, the blitz will happen earlier the big influx always dies down and certain people will leave and some people will actually be able to log in. Instead of it putting you in a disadvantage it might give you a positive effect instead.

Meanwhile this change is just GREAT for Europe. Thank you!

And thank you NA players on proving on how much more NA whines than EU.

you do realize that you are whining….. just saying.

Cicero.3492:

Another example of ANet trying to place a bandaid on something rather than actually fix the problem. The reset is now at 3pm PST or 6pm EST, which means EST is just getting home from work and eating dinner and PST is still working for a few more hours. Add in Q times and the PST players will be lucky to get on at all, a lot probably wont even bother trying on reset night.

You are aware there is the rest of the globe too right? including Europe which traditionally has had a larger GW player base than the US?

Sorry, you are probably American, um, go find a map that includes other places than north america, yes I know, its pretty mindblowing isnt it…..

To all the US players QQing, would you be happy with a 2am reset time? no thought not.

Kry.1697:

Could have just swapped the times around. Give US middle of the night and early evening to EU.

not without finding some way of reversing the earths rotation…

3pm for the West coast US, 4pm for Mountain Standard, and 5pm for Central…. wow. I guess they don’t want people playing if they have jobs since the East coast is the only part of the US that will be around for reset now.

At least before it was possible for most people to get home, even though it was a little tough for everyone on pacific time.

Why can’t we reset NA servers at 6pm PST/9pm EST, and reset the EU servers at 6pm UTC? Unless I’m mistaken, that gives the vast majority of people in the US and in Europe the ability to make it to reset… it’s not like the NA servers are matched up against the EU servers, so why do they have to reset at the same time?

GrandmaFunk.3052:

lordkrall.7241:

So screwing over EU since release is completely okay, but as soon as the US is effected it is a no go?

It wasn’t “completely okay”… but if the fix for that problem creates the same problem for the same amount of people.. nothing’s been solved, the problem just got shifted, so why bother changing anything.

I dont know the current figures for GW2, but GW had a larger EU playerbase than a NA one.
So assuming thats continued, or at least that the entire EU playerbase (and to some extent Russian) is larger than the west coast NA playerbase, you must surely agree this is a postitive move.

I’m pretty certain is benefits more people than it harms.

Awesome change, thank you very much Devon. I hope that soon can find a way to compromise with two awesome reset times, but for now, I’m glad that you decided to give us EU folks a good reset time for a bit

No!
well can forget wvw in fridays

Thrumdi.9216:

DevonCarver.5370:

We are looking into what it will take to split the times out on a per region basis and we’ll do everything we can to make that the case as soon as possible. In the meantime, this change will make things better for European players, who have been dealing with a very inconvenient time since launch.

But Devon, once this is done, you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.

Once people get in the habit of not showing up for reset night, it is going to be hard for guilds to draw them back in. By the time you split EU/NA restarts, they will become set in new habits. The old momentum will be hard to recapture.

The reset night push is one of the very unique things about GW2 WvW. And let’s be honest, zerg vs zerg fighting in WvW sucks. It takes no skill, apart from some flanking awareness on the part of a commander. The virtue of reset night is that it added a very high level of strategic, intra-guild planning on top of the lame zerg vs zerg mechanics.

If the special reset night push is killed, GW2 is going to loose something that differentiates WvW from its competitors.

Totally agree with this. As it stands now, probably half of those that we normally play with on Friday nights won’t even be there. It’s the one night of the week we get to play together and the best night of the week for many in GW2.

The time is bad for me, but I could sort that out, but how do I sort out not getting to WvW with my guild and our mates? I can’t. This isn’t just how it is for me, it’s like that for many on the NA servers.

I understand EU needing to have their time sorted out, I honestly didn’t realize that Anet had set it up this way for you guys, that’s horrible! Why in the world would they even do that to an entire population of gamers in the first place?

But your answer is to fix that issue is to destroy the cohesiveness of WvW on the NA servers? It may help to alleviate somewhat one problem, but it creates a totally new one. How in the world is this even sensible:?

Can we call this change out for what it actually is? Yeah, it’s a lazy “fix” and nothing more.

On a macro level the reset time now sucks for both EU and NA.

On a micro level myself and a large majority of my guildies can’t play any Friday now thanks to queues.

If you look at my post history I am not known for complaining or even posting very often but this change is seriously an unwelcome one for people with jobs. As many people have mentioned already a real solution would be to solve the EU issue without passing the problem over to NA. NA reset was already an hour too early for most West Coasters as NA prime time is 9pm EST – 2am EST by most all other game metrics.

I won’t post again but this is as disappointing as it gets as a WvW focused gamer since I can’t look forward to Fridays and Friday is usually the best WvW day.

DevonCarver.5370:

We are looking into what it will take to split the times out on a per region basis and we’ll do everything we can to make that the case as soon as possible. In the meantime, this change will make things better for European players, who have been dealing with a very inconvenient time since launch.

Yay! I think it would be best to split the regions reset times. I live on the west coast and am bummed now the reset will be during work hours.

8 months. 8 months of staying awake on pure caffeine-induced energy…

Thank the Six that we’ve finally got something to alleviate this a bit, NA dudes can quit whining for a bit plz, I respect where you’re coming from, but you can’t just start crying your eyes out when we’ve been going through worse for the entirety that that game existed ty, tell me you’d sit through 8 months of 1-2am resets and then watch some dudes with a nice peachy 7pm play time cry the first time they get something resembling a problem that you’ve had for the entire game :/ we’re more likely to be happy we’ve finally got something, you guys sitting pretty at an actual feasible time and then whining is more likely to receive skepticism and rolling of eyes than sympathy, where the hell is our sympathy?

Thank you Devon, for caring about those who have been consistently screwed over since release

I dont know the current figures for GW2, but GW had a larger EU playerbase than a NA one.
So assuming thats continued, or at least that the entire EU playerbase (and to some extent Russian) is larger than the west coast NA playerbase, you must surely agree this is a postitive move.

I’m pretty certain is benefits more people than it harms.

Your logic is quite correct. I would also guess that whether it impacts them personally or not, most players – NA or otherwise – will just shrug off the change as a non-event. There is sadly a small minority of players who will complain vociferously about it being the worst thing ever as if the minor inconvenience they will face for perhaps a few weeks really outweighs the massive inconvenience that many more have faced over the course of months – I mean, really, going into WvW an hour or two after reset (which most of the Aussies and Kiwis have been doing all along) compared to reset being the middle of the night. I don’t know if it’s entirely fair to draw parallels between this and the complaints about non-NA being on NA worlds and the evils of night-capping, but how the arguments are being put forward seems strangely familiar.

Sadly though, it seems like a lot of the time, who shouts loudest wins. After thread after thread about the situation in NA T8, a temporary fix gets pushed through for that. Meanwhile, the less complained-about EU T9 – a more unbalanced match than NA T8 could’ve ever hoped to be – is still languishing Now, to sate all of those screaming and shouting about the terrible injustice of moving the reset time, ANet will probably end up pulling people off of the ratings problem. A problem, which if fixed would likely result in alleviating the more significant discomfort of more players (when factoring in both those too strong and too weak) than those who would truly find inconvenience in the time change. Honestly, I would love to see ANet refuse to bow to flavour of the week pressure and just set a clear order of projects, that they would not deviate from unless something genuinely serious came up.

Immolator.5640:

8 months. 8 months of staying awake on pure caffeine-induced energy…

Thank the Six that we’ve finally got something to alleviate this a bit, NA dudes can quit whining for a bit plz, I respect where you’re coming from, but you can’t just start crying your eyes out when we’ve been going through worse for the entirety that that game existed ty, tell me you’d sit through 8 months of 1-2am resets and then watch some dudes with a nice peachy 7pm play time cry the first time they get something resembling a problem that you’ve had for the entire game :/ we’re more likely to be happy we’ve finally got something, you guys sitting pretty at an actual feasible time and then whining is more likely to receive skepticism and rolling of eyes than sympathy, where the hell is our sympathy?

Thank you Devon, for caring about those who have been consistently screwed over since release

I for one understand that you didn’t like the reset time and that it sucked for you. I get that, I just don’t want it to suck for me, and well it does. I will voice my opinion about it.

Immolator.5640:

8 months. 8 months of staying awake on pure caffeine-induced energy…

Thank the Six that we’ve finally got something to alleviate this a bit, NA dudes can quit whining for a bit plz, I respect where you’re coming from, but you can’t just start crying your eyes out when we’ve been going through worse for the entirety that that game existed ty, tell me you’d sit through 8 months of 1-2am resets and then watch some dudes with a nice peachy 7pm play time cry the first time they get something resembling a problem that you’ve had for the entire game :/ we’re more likely to be happy we’ve finally got something, you guys sitting pretty at an actual feasible time and then whining is more likely to receive skepticism and rolling of eyes than sympathy, where the hell is our sympathy?

Thank you Devon, for caring about those who have been consistently screwed over since release

Read Bella’s post if you want some understanding of why NA is raging. WvW is one of the few “large group/Guild” activities in the game and “Reset Night” by far the most popular event for many guilds.

This change kills that.

Did ANet need to fix Reset times for EU? Absolutely!

Is destroying the most popular/well-attended event for many Guilds in NA a good way to do it? Absolutely not!

Once Agine we jump to what the " EU Player’s" Need and Heck with the US Players

Bad idea, please leave the reset time the way it was.

And hence split reset times will be a well-anticipated change and a long time coming… I am not happy that you guys got screwed over, but I’m happy that all of EU are now getting less screwed over, and that now you guys feel our pain, so we can complain about it together and feel a certain level of empathy towards one another etc. etc. blah blah blah.

I’ll still love that I might get more than 10 players to reset! Out of 250 with Ops running ~30 per day, I think you can see the problem this reset time has – a few nights I’ve just skipped it because I can’t be bothered to command until 5:00 in the morning and then wake up later to see it’s been capped over by DE/FR/SP nightcap crews, all of which are insanely large btw :P it gets both depressing and wearying after a while, putting yourself out to achieve this only to see all your effort wasted when you wake up 4 hours later feeling like crap…

I like how so many of the people here, thanking the devs, from Europe, thikn that this is the same for the US as it was for Europe before… it isn’t.

In Europe, you had to stay up late if you wanted to play at reset, and, if you had to work on Saturday, you could go, but you’d be really tired. Did this suck? Yeah.

In the US, you might be able to make it if you live on the East coast, and you get off work right at 5pm, and have a commute that takes less than an hour to get home. If you live in Central time, you might be able to make it if you take off work a little early and have a very short commute home. In Mountain Time, you cannot make it unless you leave more than an hour before work ends… it’s not gonna happen, and for Pacific Time, you have to leave nearly 2 and a half hours before the end of you day… and this is all assuming that you can actually get off work at 5pm, which generally isn’t true – most people are at work until at least 5:30 or 6pm.

ANet hasn’t made it difficult for NA players to make reset (like EU had before), they’ve made it impossible for a large number of their players.

Ilesyt.7084:

All I hear is you US complaining. Right now the playing time for central europe is 2 AM! TWO AM! Do you realize how ridiculous that is ? Even if some players WANTED to join in (i.e. the pug) they will maybe play half an hour then be off. You US players can still pitch out more people than you would have if the reset was at 2 AM for you. In fact now you can have an even better coverage and be less susceptible to night capping because all your people went to sleep and your keeps weren’t upgraded enough and suddenly you lost it because that one server has a bigger night presence.

The complaining started in EU. Hence the change. Best of luck reset night all

WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

Is all I see in this thread. I’m sure those two hours are going to make a WORLD of difference.

Awsome change. Would be great if it would start another 2 hours earlier thought.

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