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Posted by: Sani.9604

Sani.9604

So, I recently got my commander tag and I think it’s fun to lead and I feel myself that I have control on everything, except for when “my zerg” gets into a fight. I seem to stop talking completely. How can I keep talking/practice on keeping on talking while fighting?

Feel free to send me a mail/message in-game as well if you have any tips

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Posted by: MarzAttakz.9608

MarzAttakz.9608

Like Gro said Peanuuts, practise it in day to day life.

Take a simple example like making a cup of coffee and do this speaking out loud.

“making some coffee because caffeine is so good”.
“walking to the kitchen on the east side of the house, turning right into the kitchen”.
“stack on coffee maker”.
“buffing with beans”.
“hold until I press the button”.
“flanking right (west) to grab the sugar”.
“dropping sugar into the cup”.
“four turns clockwise to stir the sugar”.
“hold, hold, hold”.
“stability up, take a mouthful”.
“loot”.

Pretty bad example but you get the idea, it’s about vocalising your internal dialogue so that others know and understand what you’re doing.

Personally I often forget to breath.

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Posted by: Sani.9604

Sani.9604

Like Gro said Peanuuts, practise it in day to day life.

Take a simple example like making a cup of coffee and do this speaking out loud.

“making some coffee because caffeine is so good”.
“walking to the kitchen on the east side of the house, turning right into the kitchen”.
“stack on coffee maker”.
“buffing with beans”.
“hold until I press the button”.
“flanking right (west) to grab the sugar”.
“dropping sugar into the cup”.
“four turns clockwise to stir the sugar”.
“hold, hold, hold”.
“stability up, take a mouthful”.
“loot”.

Pretty bad example but you get the idea, it’s about vocalising your internal dialogue so that others know and understand what you’re doing.

Personally I often forget to breath.

HAHAHA, that example made me cry! But thanks, I’ll try to do it and see if it helps

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Posted by: KarlusDavius.1024

KarlusDavius.1024

I had the same problem. You have to really focus on saying things out loud. So when you click left you need to keep saying left until you stop pressing that key.

It’s all practice. Took me about a week to get into the habit but once it’s there it never really goes away.

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Posted by: Sani.9604

Sani.9604

I had the same problem. You have to really focus on saying things out loud. So when you click left you need to keep saying left until you stop pressing that key.

It’s all practice. Took me about a week to get into the habit but once it’s there it never really goes away.

Thanks, I’ll try to mute my mic while playing and say what the commander does etc. Thanks for the tips

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Posted by: Bloodwort MacFangho.4638

Bloodwort MacFangho.4638

Pretty bad example but you get the idea, it’s about vocalising your internal dialogue so that others know and understand what you’re doing.

Ah .. but do this while you do your shopping in the supermarket (pushing a trolley around the aisles), and spot all the WvWers you didn’t know lived close to you as they actually do stack up with you.

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Posted by: Kordash.2197

Kordash.2197

As i’m a beginner commander too, i would say the best way to keep you talking, is thinking of something funny about your opponents and what you would do to them.

I like to see my opponents as a bunch of cookies, so when i have to give a move i say something like “turn left, turn left, kittenING big chocolate chip here !”,“Eat them all !”,“hold on, care for overdose !”

I don’t know if you get my point since english is not my main language (and god, i’m bad at it, sorry) but this simple thing help me keep the talk flow, plus it got some funny answer sometimes :p

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Posted by: Jaxs.5830

Jaxs.5830

Just make an audio loop that says ‘press 1’ repeatedly with the odd ‘stack’ tossed in for good measure. You wont have to talk at all, even out of combat.

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Posted by: KarlusDavius.1024

KarlusDavius.1024

Another tip I’ve given a few new people for stacking is to find corners of walls. Anything that looks remotely like a right angle. Asking people to stack in there usually makes everyone see where you are and be on top of you.

Makes for a more accurate supply check.

Use things like big fields and small fields for your water fields. Bomb is usually used when you have heavy damage in your location. Lines up for lines of warding, static for obvious. Hammers forward means hammer stuns. build your own system.

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Posted by: Winespring Brother.2970

Winespring Brother.2970

Like Gro said Peanuuts, practise it in day to day life.

Take a simple example like making a cup of coffee and do this speaking out loud.

“making some coffee because caffeine is so good”.
“walking to the kitchen on the east side of the house, turning right into the kitchen”.
“stack on coffee maker”.
“buffing with beans”.
“hold until I press the button”.
“flanking right (west) to grab the sugar”.
“dropping sugar into the cup”.
“four turns clockwise to stir the sugar”.
“hold, hold, hold”.
“stability up, take a mouthful”.
“loot”.

Pretty bad example but you get the idea, it’s about vocalising your internal dialogue so that others know and understand what you’re doing.

Personally I often forget to breath.

Now, whenever I make coffee, I’ll think “fire field” (microwave) and “blast finisher” (stirrer)

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Posted by: urzen.7096

urzen.7096

Command from the rear. A dead commander is no help to anyone.

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Posted by: Phlogus.2371

Phlogus.2371

I have organized our parties by class and skill mixes. I have also asked them to establish specific wxp skill sets and I know my ac, ram, cata, cannon and treb people so on flips or defense I can give clear direction to specific people or groups. I call out which group I want to clear NPC’s and which I want to build. I call out which group I want to scout in which direction as pickets and which group I want to work as intercept on reinforcements. Once I am past the individual or small group tasks I start to use land marks and triggers. As stated above corners are good landmarks. So are stairways, small cliff jumps, ramps. Some of the best land marks are a matter of habit for a particular objective. If you rehearse a assault your team will know where portal one two and three are dropped. In the open field use land marks like a tree, a choke point or high ground. When you say push say how far. When you say fall back say fall back to" " somewhere. So push to the small hut on left and stack for small water field. Fall back to choke point and form up on left drop water field, heavies get in front. All of this helps the fight but your people have to be in the habit of following as well.

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Posted by: Jocksy.3415

Jocksy.3415

“Thanks, I’ll try to mute my mic while playing and say what the commander does etc. "

Say what you do instead… In some situations, you are not necessarily doing exactly like the commander…
When I started commanding, in fights, I would only announce my water zones :/, but it comes with time, and practice… So keep on!

And do remember, if you lead pugs, that they don’t necessarily know that casters won’t tank the zones as war and guards can. Try to give them some indications also (eg: Heavy, we go right through, casters, pass right – instead of “all with me, we go slightly to the right” – and ask zones before they are needed – want water field at the top of the hill – get the fufu wall ready – CC ready for the cell by the tree — helps players get ready for what you’ll ask of them; helps ensure you get what you ask )

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Posted by: Valheru Baal.9456

Valheru Baal.9456

Command from the rear. A dead commander is no help to anyone.

I ve never ever seen anyone commanding from the rear. You must be playing on a lower tier server. How do they do it exactly? " Okay, now move to that spot of grass next to that riverdrake, and moving back to that huge rock that looks like Barbra Streisand."

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Posted by: lioka qiao.8734

lioka qiao.8734

Practice driving the fight. You’ll start talking more. Lots of raid leaders sound like auctioneers. It is because we have to micro manage the fight.

Once you start calling like that you’ll see people more on your tag and less doin their own thing.

Also when you’re in transit to a location it’s okay not to talk much. There isn’t much to say when you’re going to a supply camp across the map.

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Posted by: Phlogus.2371

Phlogus.2371

“Also when you’re in transit to a location it’s okay not to talk much. There isn’t much to say when you’re going to a supply camp across the map”

I make sure that we discuss next tgt and positioning in transit then I clear the channel for scouts to report. No one wants to get on TS and hear me talk in a continuous river of commands all night. It is fatiguing to the speaker and listener. You get 20 or more in voice comms you have to have a clean channel, especially in larger skirmishes. Comments like “oww” " OMG" " sooo many of them " are all useless chatter that distracts and fatigues. If you are leading the fight in voice comms set the standard up front in a very clear statement and make sure you keep that standard. It will give you time to think and people will hear your directions.

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Posted by: Wemil.7052

Wemil.7052

Command from the rear. A dead commander is no help to anyone.

I ve never ever seen someone commanding from the rear. You must be playing on a lower tier server. How do they do it exactly? " Okay, now move to that spot of grass next to that riverdrake, and moving back to that huge rock that looks like Barbra Streisand."

there was a commander i remember played in blacktide ran to a enemy tower with 35-38 guys totally farmed the enemy we thought who the f is the noob commander he isn’t co ordinating anything well i checked the guy top of the wall they had a ranger commander xD

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Posted by: LordMadman.5812

LordMadman.5812

In my opinion, commanders typically talk too much in WVW and are very condescending / controling which drives the majority of ppl to not jump on TS. I like doing WVW but I’m starting to not use TS because you can follow the blue dorito quite easily and not hear them complain about someone calling “incoming” and not specifing a direction. Seriously, be thankful someone gave you a heads up.

It’s most important to talk when you’re battling and moving in a zerg so everyone is benefiting from the buffs, heals, etc… Think of a zerg as a school of fish. Any fish outside the school are easily picked off by the approaching sharks.

The best commander I’ve seen on BG was someone named Pigvomit because he made it fun and didn’t freak out and blame everyone else if we did lose a battle. He even said countless times… let’s just have fun, and that’s the way it should be. Like I said I think the majority of commanders are too controlling and condescending which is driving a wedge into the WVW community. The TS ppl vs. Non-TS ppl and the commanders show their dislike of non-TS users constantly, but the ironic part is that you don’t need TS for ppl to stay on a tag. There’s a blue tag on your mini map so just move as he does.

Also, don’t call non-TS users PUGS… WE’RE ALL PUGS IN WVW! PUG stands for Pickup Group and WVW is a mass pickup group. Well, I ranted more than I wanted but there is some very good things that you should think about if you plan on commanding. Just have fun and be respectful Good luck!

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Posted by: Phlogus.2371

Phlogus.2371

Lord Madman is absolutely right about being condescending, blaming, or being disrespectful. I have guested in channels where people will isolate participants for ridicule or harp on other leaders habits and methods. Maintaining a positive and effective environment is part of the leaders responsibility. As to the use / non use of TS that falls back to what can you influence as a leader. Your guild and perhaps those in alliance with you then maybe your server mates. I mostly see map channels or guild channels used for organizing in TS but I have heard of one big server channel being used. The cross chatter in there would be horrific without some serious admin work and comms discipline. LMM- yes anyone can follow a sigil but there are limits to the effectiveness of following someone around. Clear command and control through voice communications with a responsive, familiar and well coordinated team is a combat multiplier.

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Posted by: geist.3980

geist.3980

The TS ppl vs. Non-TS ppl and the commanders show their dislike of non-TS users constantly, but the ironic part is that you don’t need TS for ppl to stay on a tag. There’s a blue tag on your mini map so just move as he does.

Also, don’t call non-TS users PUGS… WE’RE ALL PUGS IN WVW! PUG stands for Pickup Group and WVW is a mass pickup group. Well, I ranted more than I wanted but there is some very good things that you should think about if you plan on commanding. Just have fun and be respectful Good luck!

no, were not all pugs in wvw, if your not in a guild (or at least on the server TS) that’s organizing itself thru teamspeak you will get farmed and your towers taken with ease. a well organized guild on teamspeak will easily bring down three times their number if all that group is doing is following the blue Dorito. its far more than just calling the location of the enemy, skills need to be called in the proper order, lines and wells put down, retreats, rushes forward, kiting to the sides, veils, you really need to get with a good guild and learn how to do things before you ever run a tag in wvw. otherwise your just leading that group of fish to the canning factory.

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Posted by: Jocksy.3415

Jocksy.3415

The TS ppl vs. Non-TS ppl and the commanders show their dislike of non-TS users constantly, but the ironic part is that you don’t need TS for ppl to stay on a tag. There’s a blue tag on your mini map so just move as he does.

Also, don’t call non-TS users PUGS… WE’RE ALL PUGS IN WVW! PUG stands for Pickup Group and WVW is a mass pickup group. Well, I ranted more than I wanted but there is some very good things that you should think about if you plan on commanding. Just have fun and be respectful Good luck!

no, were not all pugs in wvw, if your not in a guild (or at least on the server TS) that’s organizing itself thru teamspeak you will get farmed and your towers taken with ease. a well organized guild on teamspeak will easily bring down three times their number if all that group is doing is following the blue Dorito. its far more than just calling the location of the enemy, skills need to be called in the proper order, lines and wells put down, retreats, rushes forward, kiting to the sides, veils, you really need to get with a good guild and learn how to do things before you ever run a tag in wvw. otherwise your just leading that group of fish to the canning factory.

I think you’re getting somewhat out of the original context… Guild raids are not at all like pugs leads… Commanders who try to lead pugs like guild raids are up to disillusions and discomfiture.
And on most servers I know of, Guild raids run tagless…
In guild, I’d often call up a member who go astray – it is expected. Try to call up a pug that goes astray, even if he’s on TS… Not at all the same dynamic…

I won some good fights with pugs not on TS (sent the ones that were on vocal on another mission), and I lost some that looked easy with most pugs on TS…
On vocal or not, some days players follow, some days they don’t…

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Posted by: Zosk.5609

Zosk.5609

Commanders barely need to talk at all, really. Most should just shut up.

You could never say a single word and be a pretty good commander. Good driving, responding to intel provided in map chat, choosing targets well, playing aggressively….all require few words.

You could probably be a pretty good commander with a handful of macros like “stack on me”, “push”, “pull”, “remember to supply”….honestly.

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Posted by: Phlogus.2371

Phlogus.2371

Zosk concise and efficient comms are effective if people are familiar with you as a leader. Jocksys is right though in as much as a non guild member will do as they please and your directions can be short and clear but if they are not followed they mean little.

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Posted by: brandon.6735

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Our commander in my guild. Talks a lot like RG if you seen there videos. He not afraid to speak his mind which is good. .

Commanding pugs will be hard but if you are just doing the guild. Then teach the guild what one or two word means will help.

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Static 2=Second ele drops static

Bomb here=drop all the skills here.

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Veil 2=Second mesmer viel

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Posted by: Straegen.2938

Straegen.2938

Commanders should give fairly constant but brief movement and action commands (break left, stack here, going to that flag, veil, etc). Repeating is also good (stack, stack, stack). They should avoid shouting when excited and should hat off when they are irritable. Chit chat is OK out of combat on the way to some place.

If a commander isn’t talking, the rabble who feel self important fill the quiet with inane thoughts and sound effects. We have guys who meow and cluck (and I mean they actually meow and cluck) constantly in our channels. When that isn’t happening I am listening to a group of people tell me they just achieved some unimportant objective such as “Awesome, I just hit rank 50”. I think I have about 50+ people muted in the TS now.

Annoying chat is the single thing that keeps most people I know from joining a main channel.

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Posted by: LordMadman.5812

LordMadman.5812

Annoying chat is the single thing that keeps most people I know from joining a main channel.

Actually, it’s commanders yelling at people. The majority of people I’ve talked to in many guilds say they don’t join WVW TS because there’s too much negativity from the commanders. I rarely find a cool, calm, and collected commander, which is what you want. Not someone that blasts everyone for 15 minutes because they weren’t on his tag, when the reality is we were greatly outnumbered and it’s effecting their ego as to why we lost. You want someone that can think, respond, and react without getting emotional and angry. You should relay to people what you need but don’t be negative, criticize, or yell. Negativity is highly destructive for group morale. If you lose a battle then shrug it off, waypoint, and try again. That speaks volumes of your commanding ability interms of resiliency. I use to be in many top ranked GVG guilds in GW1 and you would never hear anyone yell. No one would ridicule anyone. We would reflect and TALK about what we could’ve done differently. So, that’s why I’m shocked when I go in TS and hear constant negativity. No one wants to play and hear that, and it’s funny because they then complain about why no one is on TS and how there’s ppl doing lots of random things in WVW. Well, if ppl want to WVW but you’re being negative: 1) they won’t follow you 2) and they’ll do what they want. Be clear and direct that’s all you need. Positivity is a bonus to developing a nice returning group but it’s not required. By being positive I don’t mean you blow sunshine up their butt but you just keep it fun when you can. I think the majority of the regular commanders are getting burned out from pulling long hours and it’s getting to them, and if they keep it up they’ll quit in a few months.

The guild I’m with moved to BG for WVW and many of the members refuse to go on TS for these reasons. No one wants to hear people being talked to like their a 6 year old. Tell us what you’re doing and where you’re going. The comments should stay in your head. If things don’t work out try again and if it’s too much stress for you tag down. I’d rather have a new person giving it a shot because then people communicate more in TS and it’s actually enjoyable.

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Posted by: Zosk.5609

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Zosk concise and efficient comms are effective if people are familiar with you as a leader. Jocksys is right though in as much as a non guild member will do as they please and your directions can be short and clear but if they are not followed they mean little.

Nobody has to listen to anybody else in WvW, which is why commanders should not spend a lot of time talking. If your fancy moves require tons of instruction, they’re probably horrible anyway. I’m personally impressed by commanders who pick good targets, know how to drive (looping and porting back to keep people together), and keep things simple and fun…. none of which requires much jibber jabber.

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Posted by: Omnitek.3876

Omnitek.3876

Only command and move. Forget your skills exist. Once you get talking down during the battle, add your skills back in. Your job as the commander is to command and survive.

Tip 2:
Do not tell people your plan 10steps in advance.
“Well…. We gonna take golanta, then loop over to tap klovan, then WC then rogues then Anz then hit pang…”
You open yourself to idle chatter, backseat commanding and people get lazy, auto run and dont react to the surprise enemy group around the corner.

Example:
“We are hitting golanta and moving ASAP”
Run past klovan, tap please, keep moving.
Get Into rogues, as flipping call out “into dredge, flip it”
Keep your commands/plans on a need to know basis, this is a morale thing as well.

Learn to read a map and enemy movements.

Also, great advice above.

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