Guild Wars 2

Past few weeks i’ve started noticing a large increase in people denying kills somehow. They’re not logging out, obviously, but they’re still denying the kills.

I was wondering if Anet is aware of this exploit and if they know how. I think I know what they are doing, but I don’t want to…increase it’s popularity.

How would they deny kills without logging out?

If it is some kind of exploit I would suggest sending the details to ArenaNet.

lordkrall.7241:

How would they deny kills without logging out?

If it is some kind of exploit I would suggest sending the details to ArenaNet.

Last I knew, there was a third party program that made it impossible for you to even damage them while they were in downed state.

I use the wonderful downed state skill vengance, but it isn’t good for anything else.

If you have queue window pop, you can teleport with it even in combat. But i don’t see any exploit in that.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Last I knew, there was a third party program that made it impossible for you to even damage them while they were in downed state.

I use the wonderful downed state skill vengance, but it isn’t good for anything else.

Vengeance is not denying kills, unless you manage to defeat someone (and get lucky enough to rally from it).
In most cases you will still die if you use Vengance.

lordkrall.7241:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Last I knew, there was a third party program that made it impossible for you to even damage them while they were in downed state.

I use the wonderful downed state skill vengance, but it isn’t good for anything else.

Vengeance is not denying kills, unless you manage to defeat someone (and get lucky enough to rally from it).
In most cases you will still die if you use Vengance.

But they can’t stomp you and they loose the opportunity for point when they have bloodluse. That is the important part. Bloodlust kills add up. It may only be 1 point here, 1 point there, but they do add quite a bit to the score.

You would still kill them and get kill credit though.
If it was only to avoid the stomp-bonus they could simply press alt+F4 and deny the point.

More then likely it is just server lag where folks are appearing in a different position then they actually are.

lordkrall.7241:

You would still kill them and get kill credit though.
If it was only to avoid the stomp-bonus they could simply press alt+F4 and deny the point.

They have to deal with map queue then.

I would bet that if they are using such a program, they probably use the zoom unlocker also. I don’t think ANet has stuff in place to deal with these things yet, they may be working on them but I don’t believe they have everything functional to detect such programs. If they get caught and banned, that would be great.

Could be skill lag though. You have to be patient with skill lag and stomps though. It will go through, just have to be patient with that. Until I figured that out, I used to spam the stomp. I have had pretty bad lag, so much so that I was rubber banding the spot I was downed in and when the spike landed, I was well out of the range of the spiker. Lag spike prevention is noticible though.

but, they would have to requeue.

how do I deny kill? I think I want that.

do eles get this with vapor form automatically? Hope so.

NemesiS.6749:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

lordkrall.7241:

How would they deny kills without logging out?

If it is some kind of exploit I would suggest sending the details to ArenaNet.

Last I knew, there was a third party program that made it impossible for you to even damage them while they were in downed state.

I use the wonderful downed state skill vengeance, but it isn’t good for anything else.

this sound like BS but today me and other guy downed a ranger and we stomped on him like 5-6 times and nothing happen, we also damage him and nothing either, lol he just just revived and used GS #3 i was like wtf, let give it the benefit of the doubt and say it was lag but if things like this are happening that is not fair. The ranger was from blackgate which i heard have lot of hackers and cheaters so i think that explain a lot

All servers have a lot of hackers and cheaters. I’ve seen the same from the other servers we have gone up against. The guild I’m in doesn’t condone hacking and cheating. I do like to keep up with information on what is out there so I can recognize what they are doing and report if warranted.

Going into a water area to avoid being stomped seems like a perfectly legit tactic to me. Nothing in the rules says – you must be able to be stomped – . So i go into water where you cant stomp me. Tell me what im doing wrong…

I think the majority of what people are complaining about is just lag. Yes it can sometimes take multiple tries to stomp someone, but usually you can still at least damage them and kill them that way. Now if someone is sitting there not getting stomped, unable to be damaged…. and rallies while all of the above is happening, then you might be on to something. The one instance described above can be explained away easily enough, rangers are notorious self-ralliers even while being damaged. not saying he wasn’t using some kind of hack, it’s still possible, especially if there were multiple people hitting him, but do your research before you blatantly accuse all unstomp-ables to be hackers. When (if) they finally fix this unplayable lag problem, it will be much easier to spot those hackers.

NemesiS.6749:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

lordkrall.7241:

How would they deny kills without logging out?

If it is some kind of exploit I would suggest sending the details to ArenaNet.

Last I knew, there was a third party program that made it impossible for you to even damage them while they were in downed state.

I use the wonderful downed state skill vengeance, but it isn’t good for anything else.

this sound like BS but today me and other guy downed a ranger and we stomped on him like 5-6 times and nothing happen, we also damage him and nothing either, lol he just just revived and used GS #3 i was like wtf, let give it the benefit of the doubt and say it was lag but if things like this are happening that is not fair. The ranger was from blackgate which i heard have lot of hackers and cheaters so i think that explain a lot

Two words: Pet Rez

I’ve experienced this as well.

Players in downed state that you cannot damage or finish.

Sreoom.3690:

Two words: Pet Rez

They don’t make the owner invulnerable though. What I’ve seen is no damage numbers, no spiking, and this is during times when there is no lag because the other servers are not on the map in full force.

It call “LAG”

Have you ever try to rez your ally but you can’t?

Same story.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

lordkrall.7241:

How would they deny kills without logging out?

If it is some kind of exploit I would suggest sending the details to ArenaNet.

Last I knew, there was a third party program that made it impossible for you to even damage them while they were in downed state.

I use the wonderful downed state skill vengance, but it isn’t good for anything else.

Oh yeah. I killed a player today, but I could not finish him, tried 2-3 times, didn’t work, perhaps that’s a bug?

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

do eles get this with vapor form automatically? Hope so.

Do you mean downed skill #2 or the utility? The utility would allow you to heal yourself, but the downed skill just lets you escape. Neither of those is an exploit and they wouldn’t glitch a kill.

Gees c’mon many players have known since like launch that certain sites out there have been providing multihack downloads to players who lack any kind of game skill unless they are equipped with the abilityto cheat their way to their own perceived elite status.. god modes and chicken modes have been knocking around in GW2 for ages and now since the bloodlust and season 1 malarkey its become more noticeable.
Of course its lag, of course players will say that.. lag is responsible for so many things in MMO’s apparently.
Lag is not the cause for 4 or 5 players to continually beat on a downed player only for to see it res back up countless times and run/teleport away or in my case suddenly 1 hit me from downed state after being downed 3 times then reses up and does their “I am elite” dance on corpse thing… defend this kitten all you like and call it how you like or instead do some homework and see for yourself just what is being put out there for the cheaters to use, but some already know and instead hide behind the “its lag” veil.
I have personally sent details of many of these sites to ANET because in competitive game areas or esports etc the last thing players want is to have this kind of rubbish spoiling their own fun but ANET simply don’t give a flying kitten about it or have no way of combating it currently.. let’s be honest if there was any real emphasis on WvW they would of fixed many things in it a long time ago and done something about this kind of thing already but like skill lag, queue bugs, door hacks etc, etc it simply doesn’t have a significant enough effect to the TP economy or gem sales so they ignore it.
But until ANET wakes up and does something about it, it will only get worse so its up to the players to keep flooding their inboxes with botting reports or such… ask yourself why ANET still refuses to provide appropriate reporting tools/functions for us to use against the cheats!

Gees c’mon many players have known since like launch that certain sites out there have been providing multihack downloads to players who lack any kind of game skill unless they are equipped with the abilityto cheat their way to their own perceived elite status.. god modes and chicken modes have been knocking around in GW2 for ages and now since the bloodlust and season 1 malarkey its become more noticeable.
Of course its lag, of course players will say that.. lag is responsible for so many things in MMO’s apparently.
Lag is not the cause for 4 or 5 players to continually beat on a downed player only for to see it res back up countless times and run/teleport away or in my case suddenly 1 hit me from downed state after being downed 3 times then reses up and does their “I am elite” dance on corpse thing… defend this kitten all you like and call it how you like or instead do some homework and see for yourself just what is being put out there for the cheaters to use, but some already know and instead hide behind the “its lag” veil.
I have personally sent details of many of these sites to ANET because in competitive game areas or esports etc the last thing players want is to have this kind of rubbish spoiling their own fun but ANET simply don’t give a flying kitten about it or have no way of combating it currently.. let’s be honest if there was any real emphasis on WvW they would of fixed many things in it a long time ago and done something about this kind of thing already but like skill lag, queue bugs, door hacks etc, etc it simply doesn’t have a significant enough effect to the TP economy or gem sales so they ignore it.
But until ANET wakes up and does something about it, it will only get worse so its up to the players to keep flooding their inboxes with botting reports or such… ask yourself why ANET still refuses to provide appropriate reporting tools/functions for us to use against the cheats!

Pretty sure this is people using the exploit for point zerging.

Alternatively it’s people using one of the many available teleport hacks (wasn’t this supposed to be fixed ages ago?)

Yep, I try to go into water or jump off a cliff or just waste enough time so that they dps me instead of stomping me. No reason to give the other team a free point.

I don’t understand the purpose of people logging out. It’s so much faster to just die and wp rather than load wvw again.

Bloodstealer.5978:

…let’s be honest if there was any real emphasis on WvW they would of fixed many things in it a long time ago and done something about this kind of thing already but like skill lag, queue bugs, door hacks etc, etc it simply doesn’t have a significant enough effect to the TP economy or gem sales so they ignore it.
But until ANET wakes up and does something about it, it will only get worse so its up to the players to keep flooding their inboxes with botting reports or such… ask yourself why ANET still refuses to provide appropriate reporting tools/functions for us to use against the cheats!

Unfortunately, there is a little bit of truth in this. Whenever there is an exploit that affects the economy in anyway, it gets IMMEDIATELY shut down, and is usually followed by wave of mass bans and much crying on Reddit (the Snowflake debacle, the “Free Siege Glitch”, etc). But we had thieves holding points in WvW for as long as they wanted while in perma-stealth for… 4 months? It was complained about as early as the 1st week of September, 2012. We had people climbing over walls and soloing Towers & Keeps without a single piece of siege or even raising swords for… 7 months? No bans, all legal; just ask “Wild Bill”, who made, idk, 50 videos of himself climbing over walls into Towers using what 99% of players deemed an “exploit”. And there are plenty of other things that affect the WvW score and ruin that part of the game for everyone, but usually take many MONTHS to be fixed (if ever), and result in no bans whatsoever. There’s a clear bias towards punishing ANYONE who makes even a small amount of gold through an exploit or does anything that could threaten Gem sales and shutting those exploits down IMMEDIATELY, while ignoring the glaring and often-reported problems in WvW, many of which directly affect the score and can even determine the outcome of a match.

So all of this together does create an environment in which someone who really wants to “win” might say, “Sure it’s an exploit/cheat/hack, but by the time ArenaNet fixes it I’ll be gone from this game anyway, & since I’m not making any gold it’s like they would ban me even if I did get caught! What possible reason is there for me to NOT want to use this exploit/cheat/hack to win?”

So yeah, as the 1st Season moves forward and people become more competitive in WvW, expect to see even more exploits, cheats, hacks, and so on as more and more people start rediscovering them or even invent new ones.

Happen to me sometimes.
But i think is lag\bug. I cant finish downed player and after a bit he rally XD

Sreoom.3690:

NemesiS.6749:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

lordkrall.7241:

How would they deny kills without logging out?

If it is some kind of exploit I would suggest sending the details to ArenaNet.

Last I knew, there was a third party program that made it impossible for you to even damage them while they were in downed state. It is indeed a bug.

I use the wonderful downed state skill vengeance, but it isn’t good for anything else.

this sound like BS but today me and other guy downed a ranger and we stomped on him like 5-6 times and nothing happen, we also damage him and nothing either, lol he just just revived and used GS #3 i was like wtf, let give it the benefit of the doubt and say it was lag but if things like this are happening that is not fair. The ranger was from blackgate which i heard have lot of hackers and cheaters so i think that explain a lot

Two words: Pet Rez

Actually, no. That’s happened to me a few times playing my ranger. Having a bunch of enemies trying to stomp me several times and nothing happening, while my pet kept ressing me.
And I’ve been on the other side too, trying to stability/distortion stomp someone and not being able to get it.

Back on topic, I’ve had a lot of people (and not just thieves) dissappearing before going down or getting stomped and giving no exp/loot.