Guild Wars 2

Uhm, we don’t like to PvDoor so much. Can you take the generalizations out of this thread TheFugs? The general tone of this thread before these complaints has been genial and full of conversation about the competition. It is possible that your perception of how things are do not match reality?

I mean, saying TC is coordinated enough to find every weak spot where the CD crew is not able to defend is a compliment. If my server is doing that well at scouting easy locations to take, then it’s not about PvDoor, it’s about them finding the best strategy to accumulate uncontested points. This isn’t a 24/7 battle, it’s a 24/7 war.. and wars aren’t fought by running into the enemy constantly, sometimes it’s about flanking the enemy and taking the ground they cannot defend.

Sun Tzu short version: Attack where the enemy retreats, retreat where the enemy attacks and attack where the enemy least expects it.

You can’t be complaining from CD though, because I know your prime time is a lot stronger than TC… I can understand if you’re HOD, but we can’t really control our server’s population…

TheFug.5278:

It kind of stinks that all TC is doing is forming a 60 man zerg and going from battleground to battleground. It forces us all to zerg up and take undefended keeps after they leave, only to wait for their mobile zerg to come back and roll over everything again. The “free karma” trains are not as fun as actually fighting it out. That kind of mindless fighting won’t fly in the higher tiers when you need to defend multiple aspects at the same time.

TheFug,

I’m not sure where this impression comes from. TC doesn’t seem to zerg any more or less than other servers do, having now fought on/against several. Case in point, for the past week our guild has stuck exclusively to 5-10 man roaming squads, ignoring zergs the vast majority of the time.

Last night was a great example. We log on after the new build, and immediately queue into EB. We have a group of five, and proceed to ninja around the map constantly. We focused primarily on the Speldan/Mendon/Pang/Ogre/Umber area…your side of the map. As more guild members logged on, we peaked at 10 people, enough to start attempting the towers themselves instead of just the supply camps, sentries, and hapless CD people that we stalked across that northern part of the map.

The most exciting moment came as a CD zerg of 20+ caught us as we were flipping ogres. Our group of Mesmer, Mesmer, Thief, Thief, Warrior, Warrior, Guardian, Elementalist immediately turned to run, only to find another 10+ CD on the OTHER side of the ogres. We hid in the Chieftain house and stacked our stealths as long as we possibly could, hoping that the zerg could pass us by. It’s quite amazing how long Mass Invisibility x2, Shadow Refuge x2, Veil x2 can keep the entire group stealthed. The 20+ passed us by, the other 10 ran into the Chieftain’s Hut, and boy were they surprised to find us there. Yay loot!

Two hours, 24 Badges of Honor (each, roughly), and 3+ gold later, we called it a night. We were part of the friendly zerg for less than 5 minutes total, and that was just because our roaming took us by a tower assault just as they broke into Mendon. Are there zergs on the server? Surely. I haven’t seen a server that doesn’t zerg it up during their primetime. But there were 4-7 other groups just like ours that were running around with 5-10 (I know, we ran into them) looking for good fights and fun.

Usagi.4835:

Oh, and btw, if what I’ve been told is correct, isn’t that what CD is also doing when we’re sleeping? I’m enjoying the matchup but I’ve accepted it’s going to be push and pull. We cap, we sleep, you cap, you sleep and the cycle continues.

No, CD is playing defensive. It is not about coverage, it is about you guys being to scared to actually fight and refusing to actually fight us at all. You take all of EB with a 60 man zerg and then instead of defending, you move to CD borderland and let all of EB fall. After you zerg an empty CD borderland with 60 people, you lose EB and then go to zerg it back. If we all stay and defend or cut you off, you just take your entire zerg and head to the empty BG because you refuse to fight. You have already won the match, you have the coverage and the numbers – but you don’t have to take all of the fun out of it just to secure the win. I don’t care about losing , but we are sick of PvDOORING and are about done even taking back our own borderlands because we can’t even get you guys to stay and fight. Every 3 hours either EB or CD borderlands turns over to the enemy zerg, and we are left to take it back while all the keeps are 100% undefended.

Right… Is that your opinion or is that fact?

I want to see screen shots of these 60 people refusing to fight.

It could be a guild of 20 guys that goes and caps, refusing to fight the 30 CD guys. With rendering, I don’t believe player counts half the time from my own team.

Don’t put ‘we’ in your post as if you speak for your server. Undefended because we are sleeping~ Also undefended because people like herd mentality and would rather follow the zerg than be smart and fortify towers. It’s not a tactic. It’s complacency.

Why are you guys feeding a troll? You do realize TheFug represents like NO ONE on CD.

yeah we lost some NA guilds, yes we have a strong Aussie/Asian side.

But look at that NA prime time, the players that are there rock. We are outnumbered on 2 and sometimes 3 maps but we don’t lay down.
Fighting till the last hour here. Hope next week we have a 3rd server that can push TC in prime time.

I am loving fighting against TC. They aren’t really outnumbering us at all – we just match up at odd times. There is always something to try to take over or defend, so its all good to me.

Ignore the trolls, because they don’t speak for us. TC is an awesome server to play against.

I haven’t seen our resident TC troll show up recently, his last post on this thread actually seemed somewhat decent. I really need to learn to ignore the trolls, thanks for that call out Altie.

In other news, I’m definitely pumped for another server to fight as well. A good three way with Tarnished Coast hasn’t happened for almost a month. With weird retail peak season hours, Commander Floxxx hasn’t gotten that much play time, I’m relegated to stalking the forums for news on my beloved Toasters…

Thanks Mystic for those write ups! They help me live vicariously. xD

All newbies in TC interested; In Lions Arch at 7:00 PM Eastern, Thursday, I will be holding my training academy for newer WvWvW cadets and choosing a battlefield to go to that will be least disruptive to the armies present.

We will have a short question/answer and try to move on from some advanced stuff this week after the supply camp training last week, however will adjust the skill level of the academy based on those who attend.

I have heard that some TC squad has a habit of leading people around the map though, which is somewhat amusing imo….I remember one server getting spooked out because of it( I’m thinking Blackgate?)…

http://i.imgur.com/fDpUQ.jpg

Now this ofcourse doesn’t look like 50 guys because the screenshot doesn’t show the rest of the group behind me (due to me already being dead), but this is the mid day zerg around 3pm rolling through the CD borderlands where maybe 10 or so people are there to defend.

The zerg then dissapears once they have capped everything and heads to EB, where they roll everything there.

And when we group everyone together and go to seige the keeps back, the zerg is no where to be found – they just let everything fall and we get to go through empty keeps full of used seige golems.

I will be sure to get a better screenshot of the zerg as they roll in every 1.5 hours into our borderlands anytime after 4 am until about 4 PM. Everytime we seige up to defend the zerg will magically dissapear after they get pushed back and head back to EB. We can’t even get them to fight or stay long enough for us to fight them.

It’s nice to call this strategy and “coordination in order to win”, but it is not fun and it’s not PVP, its PVDOOR.

TheFug.5278:

http://i.imgur.com/fDpUQ.jpg

Now this ofcourse doesn’t look like 50 guys because the screenshot doesn’t show the rest of the group behind me (due to me already being dead), but this is the mid day zerg around 3pm rolling through the CD borderlands where maybe 10 or so people are there to defend.

The zerg then dissapears once they have capped everything and heads to EB, where they roll everything there.

And when we group everyone together and go to seige the keeps back, the zerg is no where to be found – they just let everything fall and we get to go through empty keeps full of used seige golems.

I will be sure to get a better screenshot of the zerg as they roll in every 1.5 hours into our borderlands anytime after 4 am until about 4 PM. Everytime we seige up to defend the zerg will magically dissapear after they get pushed back and head back to EB. We can’t even get them to fight or stay long enough for us to fight them.

It’s nice to call this strategy and “coordination in order to win”, but it is not fun and it’s not PVP, its PVDOOR.

So you’re saying you got killed by a …door? that’s what I am gathering here, because it obviously was not a group of players that killed you…

Just stop, please.

Osskil.1029:

TheFug.5278:

http://i.imgur.com/fDpUQ.jpg

Now this ofcourse doesn’t look like 50 guys because the screenshot doesn’t show the rest of the group behind me (due to me already being dead), but this is the mid day zerg around 3pm rolling through the CD borderlands where maybe 10 or so people are there to defend.

The zerg then dissapears once they have capped everything and heads to EB, where they roll everything there.

And when we group everyone together and go to seige the keeps back, the zerg is no where to be found – they just let everything fall and we get to go through empty keeps full of used seige golems.

I will be sure to get a better screenshot of the zerg as they roll in every 1.5 hours into our borderlands anytime after 4 am until about 4 PM. Everytime we seige up to defend the zerg will magically dissapear after they get pushed back and head back to EB. We can’t even get them to fight or stay long enough for us to fight them.

It’s nice to call this strategy and “coordination in order to win”, but it is not fun and it’s not PVP, its PVDOOR.

So you’re saying you got killed by a …door? that’s what I am gathering here, because it obviously was not a group of players that killed you…

Just stop, please.

From what I gather, this means he wants the 20… maybe 30 to wait around in the borderlands where they have capped everything, hoping the enemy shows up, instead of moving to another field where there appears to be a fight going on because CD has territories controlled?

That makes absolutely no sense. Are you actually reading my posts? Also, have you ever played at a time outside of prime time. It sounds like none of you have actually seen what goes on outside of primetime, yet are willing to call trolls to those of us who are actually defending our borderlands for more than 2 hours at a time.

Shrouded.6450:

I have heard that some TC squad has a habit of leading people around the map though, which is somewhat amusing imo….I remember one server getting spooked out because of it( I’m thinking Blackgate?)…

Well I always see a lot of small guild groups do their own thing and disregard our zerg in general. For a larger roaming party, in EB at night Team Pam is running around the map for “ethnic slaughter” and making money. Although I believe Team Pam only formed last week v.s. SoR (Pam was trying hard to let us have fun despite everything), so I’m not sure that’s the group you’re referring to.

The fact is that we would love for you to keep 30 people in each BG and defend what you own, instead of running away at the first sign of invaders and going to roll empty battlegrounds. We have to go to EB to call people to come and defend, and when they do port over to our borderlands and you guys actually hit a defended keep your ENTIRE zerg of 40-50 people will port back to EB to PvDOOR, while the 25 or so of us are left having to recapture an empty borderlands. This happens every 2 hours during non-prime time. Most of the morning / non-prime guilds are getting pretty annoyed as it just ends up being 2 borderlands full of non-upgraded keeps getting flipped by huge zergs and no defenders. The fights against TC are really fun until the morning zerg crew rolls in and all of the real PVP stops.

TheFug.5278:

That makes absolutely no sense. Are you actually reading my posts? Also, have you ever played at a time outside of prime time. It sounds like none of you have actually seen what goes on outside of primetime, yet are willing to call trolls to those of us who are actually defending our borderlands for more than 2 hours at a time.

What about a few weeks ago when your server crushed us? It was superior tactics? Your server had more people? A combination of both? No server can deny having zerg troops. Most of us frown against it. Unfortunately for you, we have a lot of people playing here now. Still, we have earned every bloody step into the tier we are in right now. There are times when our armies are zergish (so are yours for that matter), and there are times with a high amount of organization. We wouldn’t be in this tier if we just zerged around in one group all the time expecting a win.

I’m really sorry that you folks are being outnumbered. All of us on TC have a very fair sense of play. We want a good game and a challenge. We only learn to get better when we are being driven into the dirt. Trust me, we ate a LOT of dirt last week.

I think you should withhold your opinions on this matter further as you are not looking good to us or your own server mates.

I got the funny feelin TC is just being playful with you right now , I just find it funny though. I still doubt that it’s a 60 man zerg, but it’s interesting how you keep following them around…

I don’t care about being outnumbered. Yes we zerged you last time, but we certainly didn’t actively avoid fights and let you take back entire borderlands just to flip them when you leave. We want to PVP. We don’t care if we lose, but we would like to actually fight. Most of us think it would be awesome if you stayed in our borderland and upgraded DB or EH and actually gave us a fight there, as we tire of taking it out while its empty and full of un-manned golems.

And I am not here to look good, I am here to speak the truth. My “server mates” who say I don’t speak for the server aren’t out here trying to defend it at night or during they day – they log on during the prime time and get to actually PVP. I am speaking for those of us who are getting discouraged because we can’t get more than 1 fight in either battlegrounds before the enemy dissapears and we are left fighting doors. It is really disheartening, and we would rather lose in a real fight than run boring karma trains on undefended keeps.

Well, we could just do what SoR did to us last week and park sieges outside your gates and kill anything that moves. Most of us (not all obviously) don’t go for that at all.

This is all kind of silly. We will attack when we attack. You will defend when we attack. Territory will flip. We have more people and therefor can do it in more places. Do you think you are the only players this week who can’t find any combat? Perhaps you should go into your server maps and start asking all those folks who gave up to show up. It isn’t our fault they aren’t playing.

sceptus.9415:

Well, we could just do what SoR did to us last week and park sieges outside your gates and kill anything that moves. Most of us (not all obviously) don’t go for that at all.

This is all kind of silly. We will attack when we attack. You will defend when we attack. Territory will flip. We have more people and therefor can do it in more places. Do you think you are the only players this week who can’t find any combat? Perhaps you should go into your server maps and start asking all those folks who gave up to show up. It isn’t our fault they aren’t playing.

We have people who are defending, but you are actively avoiding them. You have more people and can do it in more places – yet you do not do that. You do it in 1 place until you hit resistance and then go to the other place. It is the reason why you lose everything all at once while gaining everything in another BG – its just keepswap.

And you could try setting up a spawncamp but you would fail, and then when you get pushed back you would just waypoint to the next BG to attack undefended keeps.

Well Ill give you props for wanting to fight TC’s primetime. But enough with the smack talking, you know kitten well that TC’s primetime force can go toe to toe with the likes of Blackgate and SOR.

Again you’re being led around from one undefended keep to another. Think about that for sec….

Shrouded.6450:

Well Ill give you props for wanting to fight TC’s primetime. But enough with the smack talking, you know kitten well that TC’s primetime force can go toe to toe with the likes of Blackgate and SOR.

Again you’re being led around from one undefended keep to another. Think about that for sec….

I have thought about it, that is the point of these whole posts. You hop back and forth between bg’s so that you don’t ever fight a decent defending force, you split them among BG’s so that you can 60vs10 every fight. Strategically effective but very dull for everyone involved. When we do muster a defensive squad in CD borderlands using people from other borderlands you get pushed back and port your entire zerg to EB to hit undefended doors there. Non-primetime is some of the dullest WvW we have experienced in a long time, and you continue to use the same tactic every day.

@TheFug – unless you can be in all places at once you have no idea what the rest of our forces are doing. Many of our commanders are preparing for next week already. Many of our players are leveling alts. Ask yourself where all your players from Friday went. To suggest we actively avoid you just sounds like you are a sore loser.

If we did push you back into your spawn, my guess is that you would be the first person complaining about that too. Don’t worry though, like I said before, most of us are completely against that type of domination. Who knows, maybe you are right and you folks wouldn’t let us do it. There is no sense debating it with you. If you folks do get better and go up a tier, you better expect a lot worse. SoR will backhand you like no tomorrow if you even suggest anything like this silliness. Oh and they will camp your spawn like you have never been camped and expect you to come out with a smile on your face for another dirtnap the next day.

>Ask yourself where all your players from Friday went. To suggest we actively avoid you just sounds like you are a sore loser.

No, not a sore loser. I don’t care about loser, I just want to fight people. We just had 15 TC attacking our keep in the borderland, and everyone in the chat was rejoicing over the fact that there was an actual epic fight for a keep instead of getting rolled by a 60 man dissapearing zerg.

>If we did push you back into your spawn, my guess is that you would be the first person complaining about that too. Don’t worry though, like I said before, most of us are completely against that type of domination

No, I would be the first person taking supply and keeps from behind you with my guild, because that is what we do and we we have always done even when we are getting stomped. But unfortunately we can’t even do that, as everything remains undefended until you lose it all and show up with a giant zerg to take it back. Boring when you can’t even squad combat because nobody cares about defending their BG until it is already all gone and the zerg is done dominating another BG.

And you are forgetting that we have been in higher tiers than you for a lot longer than you. We have fought all of the other servers, and none of them operated the way you do. They were not scared to fight. We did not need to suggest this silliness to SoR because when we fought SoR they took our BG’s and held their points, and it led to some of the most epic two way and three way battles we have ever had in our BG. We would like to see some epic battles again.

I’m glad that the mods are infracting my post. By extension, they are cleaning up the mess I make! :P Hai, mods! I must be on your blacklist now lol. Soon I’ll be a wanted forum terrorist.

Fug, everything you’ve said is your opinion but it’s like you’re trying to pass it off as fact. Don’t make assumptions. Don’t randomly say stuff like it’s true. You’re not omnipresent and you can’t read my mind. I sit in TCBL for hours because it’s relaxing lol.

IT IS NOT A TACTIC. IT IS COMPLACENCY. Stop searching for answers that aren’t there. You’re clutching at straws.

Usagi.4835:

I’m glad that the mods are infracting my post. By extension, they are cleaning up the mess I make! :P Hai, mods! I must be on your blacklist now lol. Soon I’ll be a wanted forum terrorist.

Fug, everything you’ve said is your opinion but it’s like you’re trying to pass it off as fact. Don’t make assumptions. Don’t randomly say stuff like it’s true. You’re not omnipresent and you can’t read my mind. I sit in TCBL for hours because it’s relaxing lol.

IT IS NOT A TACTIC. IT IS COMPLACENCY. Stop searching for answers that aren’t there. You’re clutching at straws.

Ok then we will agree that you guys are lazy. It’s better than denying what is going on

complacency is boring.

Also the mods are crazy.

Okay, whatever ^^.

@TheFug – We have fought nearly the same opponents as you, and actually had to face the might of servers getting transfers from tier 1 (who will be in tier 1 next week or already in tier 1 now – Blackgate anyone?).

You aren’t making any point except coming here to talk smack. I read through this thread and I see some great chats between servers. I see people having fun. Its too bad you get one poor sport who decides to come on here and disturb a good thing.

I’ll tell you what. When your server rallies and defeats us, maybe even next week, then I’ll be the first person to congratulate you folks on a good win. Until you do, I have nothing else to say. You can take as many digs on TC as you like. It won’t change anything. This is our week, that’s all.

Fug, the arguments you’re presenting are ridiculous. Simple fact of the matter is TC is weak when CD is strong, and vice-versa. When our servers overlap, there’s a lot of potential fun to be had … but the little guys have never, ever won in a mobile war sitting around with their thumb up their kitten

You’re complaining about not having fun because of tactics when your real issue is you’re not having fun because we’re primarily NA, and you’re primarily oceanic.

TheFug.5278:

Shrouded.6450:

Well Ill give you props for wanting to fight TC’s primetime. But enough with the smack talking, you know kitten well that TC’s primetime force can go toe to toe with the likes of Blackgate and SOR.

Again you’re being led around from one undefended keep to another. Think about that for sec….

I have thought about it, that is the point of these whole posts. You hop back and forth between bg’s so that you don’t ever fight a decent defending force, you split them among BG’s so that you can 60vs10 every fight. Strategically effective but very dull for everyone involved. When we do muster a defensive squad in CD borderlands using people from other borderlands you get pushed back and port your entire zerg to EB to hit undefended doors there. Non-primetime is some of the dullest WvW we have experienced in a long time, and you continue to use the same tactic every day.

This isn’t even about strategy anymore, everyone is already aware that TC at primetime outnumbers you. I really don’t know why they’re leading you guys back and forth, (I still don’t know why you guys keep following them around like that) but trying to make it look like TC is scared to fight you is a bit skecthy. Again, we’ve faced servers with a lot stronger force than you guys have right now….

First of all nobody is talking about primetime.

Why are you all talking about primetime.

And sceptus, we have been fighting tier 1 transfers a lot longer than you have.

And do you not know why they are leading us back and forth? Because we are actively pursuing a fight. When you guys all head to EB we all port over there to try and fight you, only to have you port back to CD borderlands. If we all sit in CD borderlands then you port to EB.

This isn’t about population, this is about actively avoiding the fight for the sake of “tactics” when you own 90% of the borderlands and are afraid to actually fight for the 10% you don’t own.

How are you so certain that it’s fear and not simply… wanting to gain 90% of several maps instead of one? Maybe you are the ones making it not fun by preventing the 90% captures in other maps?

TheFug.5278:

First of all nobody is talking about primetime.

Why are you all talking about primetime.

And sceptus, we have been fighting tier 1 transfers a lot longer than you have.

And do you not know why they are leading us back and forth? Because we are actively pursuing a fight. When you guys all head to EB we all port over there to try and fight you, only to have you port back to CD borderlands. If we all sit in CD borderlands then you port to EB.

This isn’t about population, this is about actively avoiding the fight for the sake of “tactics” when you own 90% of the borderlands and are afraid to actually fight for the 10% you don’t own.

So you’re saying you’re dealing with TC when you’re at your strongest then? You want to fight TC when you have the advantage? I’d assume you’re talking about TC’s primetime cus you keep seeing this “slippery 60 man zerg”….

@TheFug – Please show us this proof about which servers you have faced that make yours better than ours. If I look at the ranking, you know the numbers, they show us at 7th over time, and your server at 9th, with your server a good deal behind. Overall. I think our servers are a lot closer than some of the other brackets right now but clearly you underestimate us.

I think the whole world lives in a state of denial these days, but some people worse than others.

Just stop feeding the troll. Every server has their sore losers.

rhyein.6172:

Just stop feeding the troll. Every server has their sore losers.

True dat.

So anyway, I’ll be on TC or CD BL tonight. Looking forward to the fun. Nothing more fun than playing a game on election night and missing out on all the wonderful politics.

TheFug, you’re making your server look bad. CD is a respectable opponent. I don’t like what you’re doing to them.

Come to the BLs during NA prime and you will get your fight.

PiNK’s been there everynight…. I’m the engy killin your guys on the walls along with dropping your siege and helping to keep you guys short on supplies.

Everynight…

You all realise that by continually responding to the one person complaining, you perpetuate his ability to saturate this thread with nonsense, yes? Stop replying

99% of CD/TC realise that TC has stronger coverage during the overnight/afternoon period, and post Friday larger numbers in primetime due to the inevitable decline which comes about as soon as one server gains a significant lead. Similarly, CD has outnumbered TC every night during the US morning period for around 4-5 hours. ‘Both’ servers have periods where large numbers of their people crush small numbers of resistance. Complaining about it, defending it, it’s all silly.

Let’s move on :p

~Nyari Cil, Queen

I would love to get a bird’s eye replay of the entire week long campaign – would be interesting.

I glad people enjoy the write ups – I always thought it’s more fun to read through a thread and see what went on in other maps, or sometimes on the same map, but from a different perspective.

I took a day off work for the polls today, so I was able to log on early – around 3PM EST or so. By that time TC had 450+ points per turn, and CD owned 9 towers/camps across all 3 maps – HoD owned just as much. Over the course of the next couple of hours TC’s PPT went up to 550 – it is now at 650. EB also had a queue at 3PM or so. There’s literally no evidence of a map hopping zerg by the time I logged on. Not saying it couldn’t exist…but I certainly didn’t see it.

Btw, props to the CD group who put up a treb on the southern tower in the ruins by Valley Keep. Took me a few tries to take it down, and with all of the walls it knocked down (QL, several places at Valley Keep, Langor) I’m tempted to just let either CoD or HoD capture them and take them back, instead of spending thousands of supply and probably half an hour trying to repair it all.

I’m going to be focus on the election tonight, but will log on eventually to knock more heads together~

I’m amazed no one that knew what was going on around the time that Fug is talking about is even speaking up.
WITNESS-kind perspective. :P
In his screenshot, it shows PiNK and some TSL attacking CD bl. This was also around the time that CD’s zerg started showing up in TC bl instead.
Basically, in TC bl, we had pretty much no defenders, and we were starting to lose a lot. Eventually those from CD bl came to back up TC bl. It was starting to be a really cool battle. CD’s zerg was huge there, but after we started pushing back, they abandoned ship. I’m really not a fan of this “jumping borderlands” thing, but for awhile the defending in TC bl was crazy and hard. PiNK doesn’t go to EB, so they aren’t going from CD bl back to EB for lols or anything. We just needed back up in TC bl. (I personally had no idea we were zerging in CD bl at the same time we were LOSING TC bl lol…that kinda got my nerve)

I actually played today!

First time in forever (okay, almost two weeks) and I must say that CD is a cool enemy once again.

If only we could all timeshift so we’d be on at the same times. I suspect that CD and TC have very similar participation rates when it comes to WvW.

As an aside, this morning when I peeked at WvW I saw CD happily going from map to map to map, one after another, and capping objectives. What of it? It makes sense. You ‘complete’ one map and move on to the next. TC lost almost all (maybe all of it?) map control after that.

Anyway, CD, it’s good seeing ya’ll back against us. Think we could petition the powers that be to create a time distortion field and align the server play times?

Kyoshi warriors

Usagi.4835:

Kyoshi warriors

I wanna make team avatar now

I think a second frame of reference can make a lot of sense of what the fug is talking about. My guild has had a fairly constant presence in the CD borderland for several days and the non-prime time TC zerg does come knocking on the doors every so often. We wipe them several times on entrenched positions with enough players to actually use the siege equipment (or do things like lock them into the courtyard of the Garrison for a full wipe n_n ) and after several failed attempts at setting up catapults or w/e* they make the very smart decision to go attack something else.

*I see two potential problems that make the TC zerg very bad at this step. You lot are really bad about picking up supplies when you take a camp. I’m not 100% certain about that but if you actually get a supply count in chat before you place those things you can get them up WAY faster than what I was seeing. You should rightly be mad at someone on your own team if you know there are enemies watching you, you place a trebuchet, and they have siege hitting it before it is complete.

The other problem would be placement and defense of open field siege. Zergs are generally bad at this in general- you want to not just have a bunch of DPS to throw on enemies that try to get near your siege but actually lay a lot of interrupts and movement impairing effects on them so that they can’t get right up to the siege in the first place, or at least not without invisibility.

Now, as much as losing as an offensive 60 vs 30 leads to this notion that you won’t fight us there is definitely another factor behind it: Crystal Desert has lost way too many players in past weeks. It’s specifically because ALL OF US are defending one spot that any time the TC ball decides to hit something else it’s unopposed. Obviously not applicable at prime time when the bulk of us show up but the early morning and afternoon (NA times) are just so lacking in people that TC has only the option of doing what they’re doing or staying on the same unyielding defenses endlessly.

There’s nothing dishonorable about knowing when to stop hitting something, but at the same time CD has no way to delay you so that we can get any defenders over to what you’re attacking- or at least that would require a level of organization that I’m not sure could possibly be maintained around the clock until we again slide into prime time.

With a few more scouts and good communication we might be able to run into each other more, but I don’t know if that would be enough. I could very easily see the commanders at these times being so dense that it couldn’t be done, or maybe they would be extremely receptive to a proper scout network. Quite unpredictable really.

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Oh, and btw, if what I’ve been told is correct, isn’t that what CD is also doing when we’re sleeping? I’m enjoying the matchup but I’ve accepted it’s going to be push and pull. We cap, we sleep, you cap, you sleep and the cycle continues.

No, CD is playing defensive. It is not about coverage, it is about you guys being to scared to actually fight and refusing to actually fight us at all. You take all of EB with a 60 man zerg and then instead of defending, you move to CD borderland and let all of EB fall. After you zerg an empty CD borderland with 60 people, you lose EB and then go to zerg it back. If we all stay and defend or cut you off, you just take your entire zerg and head to the empty BG because you refuse to fight. You have already won the match, you have the coverage and the numbers – but you don’t have to take all of the fun out of it just to secure the win. I don’t care about losing , but we are sick of PvDOORING and are about done even taking back our own borderlands because we can’t even get you guys to stay and fight. Every 3 hours either EB or CD borderlands turns over to the enemy zerg, and we are left to take it back while all the keeps are 100% undefended.

I’ll just leave this here.

After Malum Factum took garrison we held it for several hours and with the help of TC defended it on two different fronts. I’m quite sure you guys remember it because you banged your head against our siege placement all night.

I think both sides need to take a step back and get some perspective.

Players on both sides come in many flavours. Some a small guild groups looking to pick stuff off as opportunists, some are just wandering in a confused mess. Others are chilling out defending keeps because it doesn’t seem like much effort, while others form into a big blob of loosely herded zerglings that kick down doors for the sake of flipping defences and easy karma.

At the same time some are well trained strike teams, others are highly co-ordinated armies. Some may be highly trained war machines, but shrouded under a fog of sheep that actually get in the way.

The thing to take home is you can’t judge an entire faction on one units behaviour.

For example my typical experience of the CD, is a mindless swarm typically 2/3 times our number who is easily broken and repelled even in open field combat and frequently forget to even bring siege to break the door down with. But, that’s exactly how some in this thread describe TC, which just lends me to conclude the “easily broken mindless swarm” is just the lowest common denominator of any server. Both sides must have their good commanders and decent players because if they didn’t neither side would ever get beyond huddling outside the stonemist outer walls like an army of crack dealers xD

So, try not to accuse either side of things on the basis of the actions of a few. There’s plenty of us on TC who look for a good fight, just as I’m absolutely certain there are players on CD who’d kick my kitten even if we had them outnumbered (I’m not exactly a god of PvP).