Guild Wars 2

Why do people complain about a culling issue with thieves but never report one with mesmers when they also use a skill which makes them invisible in the same way?

Because Mesmers have a very limited quantity of stealth skills with fairly long cool downs. Mesmers also do not do nearly the damage of a theif.

Peoples main complaint with theif is instant kills by stealthed enemies, and perm stealth. Mesmer can do neither.

Also, I have played a Mesmer extensively in WvW and have not once noticed culling being in my favor. Maybe it is the circumstances but never seemed to work for me that well.

the only class capable of being stealthed 90% of the time (it’s not actually stealth but more not being rendered) is a thief, mesmers have 1 stealth(on a relativity low cd) whereas theives with cnd can keep it up without ever being rendered

Probably frequency related.
It’s a rare mesmer that slots everything they can to improve stealth.
There is only one real trait to improve their duration and it’s 30 points deep in the tree that gives boon duration and toughness so not something the glass cannon cares about.

You could have
decoy for 3s
an elite skill for 5s
the veil skill for 4s
then a weapon skill for 3s

Their cooldowns are
40s
90s
90s
24s(traited 20 pts/ 20% reduction)-30s

Would you want to give up 50 points+ of your build, be forced to use a torch, and dedicate 3/5 of your right side hotbar choices just to improve your stealth that will last at best 20 seconds. It’s just not popular to try to improve and probably less spammy than thief stealth for that reason.

I don’t have a thief, maybe the wiki knows their stealth CD. I have seen them stealth near constantly. There’s a video of it here in my archives. This person I saw doing it days before and this time they had a whole group of people they were pretty much ganking repeatedly that I ran up on.

BEWARE, I curse a lot in this video, don’t watch it if that isn’t for you plus the quality is cruddy because my upload speed is 400k. http://www.twitch.tv/plurb/b/334364816
It will give you a visual though of the frustration, look at all the people trying to defend against it unsuccessfully and even I got fed up because the day before they got me down a few times but I think when they got me there were two of them, I saw hazes of two red titles that time but after death 2 I just released and went another direction, ha.

Two reasons why no one yells about culled mesmer stealth.

1) Culling bug might not apply to mesmer invis.
2) Mesmer stealth doesnt have any real impact on damage, so people just dont notice it.

A well placed veil causes all kinds of hell.

Mesmer stealth has the exact same effect for rendering that thief stealth does, same as portaling. Perhaps they are not complained about as much because of all the clones and phantasms, folks just dont realize they havent loaded yet.

Recently I soloed a thief and mesmer at the sentry south of garrison. Now I am a guardian and I admit im definetly not the best of pvpers. But those 2 guys sucked, i tore through them with ease. It’s not about the class, its about skill. You can face 2 thieves if you want if they suck you gonna kill em. Plus thieves have very low hp just 1 burst skill already has em 1/4 health. Mesmers are more tricky because they can escape easy and it’s hard to focus them.

Nobody complains because mesmers don’t destealth with a two shot kill that you have .05 seconds to avoid and is conveniently hidden by the rendering bugs.

@iiMulch people just complain because they play super squishy builds and get oneshot by super squishy thieves.

They don’t complain about mesmers because people don’t play them as gankers much.

yertle.5837:

@iiMulch people just complain because they play super squishy builds and get oneshot by super squishy thieves.

They don’t complain about mesmers because people don’t play them as gankers much.

Yeah I noticed half the server is runnin glass cannon build but somehow lack damage and get slaughtered by arrow carts/random players/thieves. In wvw glass cannon is just something you must avoid doing.

Eh.. I play mesmer as a “ganker”; that is, pretty much full berserker glass cannon.

Eh.. I play mesmer as a “ganker”; that is, pretty much full berserker glass cannon.The reason why you don’t see complaints about culling with mesmers is already explained above but I’ll reiterate.

Eh.. I play mesmer as a “ganker”; that is, pretty much full berserker glass cannon.The reason why you don’t see complaints about culling with mesmers is already explained above but I’ll reiterate.Most mesmers have something like 1 stealth skill on a long cooldown. Perhaps elite with stealth on even longer cooldown. That’s it. It’s nothing like what thief can do.

Eh.. I play mesmer as a “ganker”; that is, pretty much full berserker glass cannon.The reason why you don’t see complaints about culling with mesmers is already explained above but I’ll reiterate.Most mesmers have something like 1 stealth skill on a long cooldown. Perhaps elite with stealth on even longer cooldown. That’s it. It’s nothing like what thief can do.Another thing is that Mesmers can’t really burst.. not like some other classes. They have to prepare offense. And while preparing (phantasms..) these are visible. Or at least more visible. So on one hand Mesmer can’t just invisible-gank people before entire zerg notices what’s going on. And on the other, phantasms and clones increase the chances you’re seen. What I mean by this is that if enemy zerg is attacking the tower, a thief can jump down and gank someone, then run away. All this without being seen (being rendered). Mesmer simply can’t do that.

Eh.. I play mesmer as a “ganker”; that is, pretty much full berserker glass cannon.The reason why you don’t see complaints about culling with mesmers is already explained above but I’ll reiterate.Most mesmers have something like 1 stealth skill on a long cooldown. Perhaps elite with stealth on even longer cooldown. That’s it. It’s nothing like what thief can do.Another thing is that Mesmers can’t really burst.. not like some other classes. They have to prepare offense. And while preparing (phantasms..) these are visible. Or at least more visible. So on one hand Mesmer can’t just invisible-gank people before entire zerg notices what’s going on. And on the other, phantasms and clones increase the chances you’re seen. What I mean by this is that if enemy zerg is attacking the tower, a thief can jump down and gank someone, then run away. All this without being seen (being rendered). Mesmer simply can’t do that.Basically speaking, Mesmer stealths (cloaks) for defense. Thief for both defense, offense, and then extra unused stealth goes on pure trolling

Mesmers dont kill you in less than 2 seconds while being in stealth.

If thieves are killing you in less than 2 seconds WHILE being stealth then you are doing something wrong.

Because a lot more Thieves abuse the clipping issue than Mesmers.

iiMulch.2138:

In wvw glass cannon is just something you must avoid doing.

Off-topic but.. you play a Guardian so this is understandable. As a mesmer, glass cannon is pretty much the best build. Yes, in some cases you’d wish you were built defensively to fight alone 1v2 1v3.. but for a typical WvW situation you should be in, I just don’t see an alternative to glass cannon mesmer. The problem here is that mesmer defense should primarily come from illusions, but in WvW that doesn’t work, so why fix what’s broken.. the only option is to go full offense and that’s it.