Katalii (40ish Asuran Mesmer), Katalyn Galadheon (15ish Human Warrior)
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Katalii (40ish Asuran Mesmer), Katalyn Galadheon (15ish Human Warrior)
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Current state is awesome. WvW would be so much more fun without keeps, towers and score.
Seafarer’s Rest EotM grinch
Current state is awesome. WvW would be so much more fun without keeps, towers and score.
Tough someone named Dooh says he/“them?” is gonna make it unplayable. And if its unplayable it’s not playable and not fun at all right?
Just how would he make it unplayable, anyway?
Katalii (40ish Asuran Mesmer), Katalyn Galadheon (15ish Human Warrior)
Dooh is a good commander of SFR. What he says is basicly true, but not the entire truth. SFR got kittened over by the free transfers. Many randoms joined the server who don’t listen, have bad builds and are bad players.
Many good guilds left because of the skill lag and monster blobbing from Vizu and Deso. It just ain’t fun in Tier 1 anymore. Add the bad pugs who don’t do much except rallying the enemy and you got yourself an unfun envirenment.
So yea, many guilds who are still left on SFR decided it is time to drop a tier and rebuild the community and get the pugs organized. We remember the fun we had in T2 and the fun in the weeks we wanted to drop down a tier before. Many run without commander now and don’t cap anything. And it is working, some people who joined with the free transfers, payed to get transfered back.
The state of SFR has been horrible the past 2 weeks, really really horrible. And we hope to get everything back on track soon.
ps.: Deso is #1 troll server in the world, the suddenly want to drop too and are better at losing than us…
pps.: we make it unplayable for the randoms, not the guilds. We still have fun.
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Great~! Hopefully all band wagoners will get frustrated and leave.
Basicly, if you are a bad player you aren’t welcome. Seems fair.
I’m curious, how droping a tier will fix the situation? I don’t get it? Maybe you will loose some noobs, but you risk loosing guilds that are serious about the game and want to enjoy it. It will take you 2-3 weeks to drop. I find it hard to imagine WvW-focused guilds will be ok after that. Sure, they might have said so on your server meeting, but this can change in an instant…
This is really hilarious way of aproaching your problem. SFR always complained it is low on manpower. Now you finally got the manpower and you can’t handle it. Hilarious.
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EDIT: 18:39 GMT+1
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I am sure you know what kinda server SFR is.
Well done
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btw , post what happend before that in chat
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Sfr hold 160 points at peak ?
They must get rid of pugs asap !!!
2 weeks ago there were 380 points at peak
Dooh got an point, and OP, i see you with an glas cannon thief, that might not help server at all, consider that are at least 20 ppls like you over there, wich prevent an entire dedicated guild to join wvwvw.
Sfr hold 160 points at peak ?
They must get rid of pugs asap !!!
2 weeks ago there were 380 points at peak
Dooh got an point, and OP, i see you with an glas cannon thief, that might not help server at all, consider that are at least 20 ppls like you over there, wich prevent an entire dedicated guild to join wvwvw.
Then maybe we gotta change how the queue system works?
I’m curious, how droping a tier will fix the situation? I don’t get it? Maybe you will loose some noobs, but you risk loosing guilds that are serious about the game and want to enjoy it. It will take you 2-3 weeks to drop. I find it hard to imagine WvW-focused guilds will be ok after that. Sure, they might have said so on your server meeting, but this can change in an instant…
This is really hilarious way of aproaching your problem. SFR always complained it is low on manpower. Now you finally got the manpower and you can’t handle it. Hilarious.
Almost every wvw focused guild have left SFR.
Anet’s questionable decision to allow free transfers to the #1 EU server made guilds that have been with us for a long time (some since launch) leave, or consider leaving. What Dooh said is harsh, but I agree with him. If you don’t wish to contribute, then leave.
Anet’s questionable decision to allow free transfers to the #1 EU server made guilds that have been with us for a long time (some since launch) leave, or consider leaving. What Dooh said is harsh, but I agree with him. If you don’t wish to contribute, then leave.
And people are doing just that. Not only Anet managed to break tier1 matchup with their free transfers , the escaping guilds are messing up the other tiers by hopping to winning servers. Nice job with the free transfers! :P
Basicly, if you are a bad player you aren’t welcome. Seems fair.
No. If you are a player who doesn’t care about the server future, doesn’t get in touch with the community, doesn’t listen to commander you are NOT welcome. If you are a bad player who tries to improve, you are welcome.
I totally agree with dooh. There are too many pugs who came in SFR expecting easy wins and instead they just get roflstomped because our zergs are now pug-only zergs, and that would be good if they were CLEVER pugs instead of being clueless pugs.
Any server that doesn’t realize that pugs/militia are the backbone of their servers force is doomed to plummet. If you treat your militia well, and train them, when a big guild decides to throw a fit and leave you won’t have serious issues … because you have your backbone.
Elitist logic: instead of doing the smart thing and leaving the server to go to a lower tiered one, let’s “purposely” lose to get rid of “bad” players and also bring the server down a tier or 2!
Sfr hold 160 points at peak ?
They must get rid of pugs asap !!!
2 weeks ago there were 380 points at peak
Dooh got an point, and OP, i see you with an glas cannon thief, that might not help server at all, consider that are at least 20 ppls like you over there, wich prevent an entire dedicated guild to join wvwvw.Then maybe we gotta change how the queue system works?
We’ve been saying that since the game launched…
Well PUGs still wiped bigger viz blob 4 times inside keep without commander, but it probably tell more about viz.
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Any server that doesn’t realize that pugs/militia are the backbone of their servers force is doomed to plummet. If you treat your militia well, and train them, when a big guild decides to throw a fit and leave you won’t have serious issues … because you have your backbone.
Realize that pugs/militia alone cant do much.
You need hardcore WvW guilds to actually pull the noses into the proper direction. But when pugs swamp the system, causing massive queue’s, and the dedicated WvW players cant get in, you got a serious problem.
The pugs arent paying for expensive keep upgrades, they arent sieging up defensively, they arent as coordinated or skilled, they arent getting superior siege, they dont go for gollems at the right time. And the list goes on. They are just bodies.
When all you have are pugs, randoms and what you call “militia”, who actually does the serious stuff? Who actually throws down and invests in the server for WvW? Not the hardcore WvW guilds, theyre stuck in the queue or have left for another server.
The pugs arent paying for expensive keep upgrades, they arent sieging up defensively, they arent as coordinated or skilled, they arent getting superior siege, they dont go for gollems at the right time.
Ours do. We’ve got the best darn militia out there … They do all this stuff and more innately. Why? Because we treat them with respect, and we invest in them and train them. We value our militia.
Our militia has for months been the reason why we kept any ppt during our weak times. They often made it easier handoff to our primetime guys. And now we are sitting at the top of tier 2, likely heading into tier 1 in the future.
You get out what you put in.
problem are not the pugs the only problem is ur all QQers, all forum warriors always looking for reasons why server x is loosing vs server y and especially all this so called pvp guilds doing this server jumping, they have much more influence in the balance and structre of the server they leave or join, they act without any responsibility and now they flame the people whos server they changed, this is the biggest pile of written rubbbischhh i ve ever seen ever! get ur stuff together stop the wine and fight! in my opinion (as a sfr veteran only doing organised wvw) the only reason all this so called pvp guilds leaving sfr is coz they started to realise that they cant win against vs zergs on a long time perspective… thumbs up to all sfr players not runnin with this QQtrain still fighting and doing very good if you look at the fact that we lost big numbers and 50%-70% of all commanders are gone so this so called nonskilled pugs are doing quite well against deso and vs! stop QQ get your stuff together and dont let those “server jumping pvp guids” ruin ur motivation! see you out there mates!
Stay and fight ? Stop QQ and fight? Ok.Wait my guild and allied guilds are all stuck in 3 hour queve.
…..After 2 weeks…
Mkay maybe i need to quit the game im still in queve ,didn’t make a proper wvw sesion in ages.Or….maybe change server and get to actually PLAY with my friends ?
Part where we couldn’t handle VS made my day.
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lol more QQ 2day longest que at primetime was 5mins. longest que i had last week was 20mins… maybe you pros should learn not 2 que as a grp… helps a lot!
lol more QQ 2day longest que at primetime was 5mins
YOU NO SAY!
Guilds left => Pug gets farmed =>Pug logs out of WvW =>Pug xferr to easy farm server=>No more queves
If you want me to draw you a picture too please send me a pm.I always like to help people like that.
maybe you pros should learn not 2 que as a grp… helps a lot!
HEAR YE!
Guilds from all over the world.STOP TO QUE AS A GROUP.Actually let’s have all our members move to different servers and join the que there singularily.Guaranteed 90% less que time.Man where is the donate button xd.
Ps: is that a little hate inside “you pros” remark ?Too much gelou
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The pugs arent paying for expensive keep upgrades, they arent sieging up defensively, they arent as coordinated or skilled, they arent getting superior siege, they dont go for gollems at the right time.
Ours do. We’ve got the best darn militia out there … They do all this stuff and more innately. Why? Because we treat them with respect, and we invest in them and train them. We value our militia.
Our militia has for months been the reason why we kept any ppt during our weak times. They often made it easier handoff to our primetime guys. And now we are sitting at the top of tier 2, likely heading into tier 1 in the future.
You get out what you put in.
I made a destinction between pugs and dedicated WvW players. If you have people putting in the effort of upgrading and sieging, you arent dealing with pugs anymore. Those are dedicated WvW players.
When talking about pugs, we mean the weekend warriors, the types who just want to be on the winning server and ride that coattail of succes, but have no interest of actually putting in the effort.
Big difference, and far as i can tell those are the kind of people that flooded unto SFR. Drowning the dedicated players and guilds in long queue’s.
@gravarr
sry m8 you dont talk the truth… it s always easy to blame anet or pugs coz they r anonymus… but u guys r the problem you so called glorious pvpers messing with server structurs and pug motivation, your the reason that sfr became exactly what you dont like anymore… its ironc, but it the truth. this story will repeat itself on the next server you will move to… you will see and probably blame again… someone else…. but m8 i say it again YOU are the only thing you can complain about! c u out there…
Ours do. We’ve got the best darn militia out there … They do all this stuff and more innately. Why? Because we treat them with respect, and we invest in them and train them. We value our militia.
Our militia has for months been the reason why we kept any ppt during our weak times. They often made it easier handoff to our primetime guys. And now we are sitting at the top of tier 2, likely heading into tier 1 in the future.
You get out what you put in.
Which server are you from?
@gravarr
sry m8 you dont talk the truth… it s always easy to blame anet or pugs coz they r anonymus… but u guys r the problem you so called glorious pvpers messing with server structurs and pug motivation, your the reason that sfr became exactly what you dont like anymore… its ironc, but it the truth. this story will repeat itself on the next server you will move to… you will see and probably blame again… someone else…. but m8 i say it again YOU are the only thing you can complain about! c u out there…
I am sorry but this post makes no sense whatsoever.
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The pugs arent paying for expensive keep upgrades, they arent sieging up defensively, they arent as coordinated or skilled, they arent getting superior siege, they dont go for gollems at the right time.
Ours do. We’ve got the best darn militia out there … They do all this stuff and more innately. Why? Because we treat them with respect, and we invest in them and train them. We value our militia.
Our militia has for months been the reason why we kept any ppt during our weak times. They often made it easier handoff to our primetime guys. And now we are sitting at the top of tier 2, likely heading into tier 1 in the future.
You get out what you put in.
I made a destinction between pugs and dedicated WvW players. If you have people putting in the effort of upgrading and sieging, you arent dealing with pugs anymore. Those are dedicated WvW players.
When talking about pugs, we mean the weekend warriors, the types who just want to be on the winning server and ride that coattail of succes, but have no interest of actually putting in the effort.Big difference, and far as i can tell those are the kind of people that flooded unto SFR. Drowning the dedicated players and guilds in long queue’s.
No you said that only the hardcore guilds do this, I believe, but it doesn’t matter.
TC’s fighting force is collectively made up of so many small guilds and solo players. If you look at any video showing our battles, you’ll easily see a half dozen tags all mixed in together. Our big hardcore guilds on the server work tirelessly and cooperatively with everyone, whether solo, small guild, or another big guild. I guess I should count my blessings as it sounds like that is pretty unique.
I understand about the server hopping crowd. I understand the frustration. But out of our pugs (we call them militia), our guilds big and small have encouraged an environment of cooperation, rather than an us vs them attitude. We have our arguments, sure, but the overall desire to work together surpasses all that.
I guess what I’m saying is work WITH these people rather than flame them. If you’re on a map and you can’t work with your guild mates directly … round up some of these pugs, give them some basic instruction, and encourage them when they show improvement. Who knows? These server hopping weekend warriors could be your guildies next week.
Work with what you have, not against it.
Ours do. We’ve got the best darn militia out there … They do all this stuff and more innately. Why? Because we treat them with respect, and we invest in them and train them. We value our militia.
Our militia has for months been the reason why we kept any ppt during our weak times. They often made it easier handoff to our primetime guys. And now we are sitting at the top of tier 2, likely heading into tier 1 in the future.
You get out what you put in.
Which server are you from?
It’s in my sig.
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not suprising that you dont understand ^^
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not suprising that you dont understand ^^
I gotta admit that is some really good trolling . xd silly me
The pugs arent paying for expensive keep upgrades, they arent sieging up defensively, they arent as coordinated or skilled, they arent getting superior siege, they dont go for gollems at the right time.
Ours do. We’ve got the best darn militia out there … They do all this stuff and more innately. Why? Because we treat them with respect, and we invest in them and train them. We value our militia.
Our militia has for months been the reason why we kept any ppt during our weak times. They often made it easier handoff to our primetime guys. And now we are sitting at the top of tier 2, likely heading into tier 1 in the future.
You get out what you put in.
I made a destinction between pugs and dedicated WvW players. If you have people putting in the effort of upgrading and sieging, you arent dealing with pugs anymore. Those are dedicated WvW players.
When talking about pugs, we mean the weekend warriors, the types who just want to be on the winning server and ride that coattail of succes, but have no interest of actually putting in the effort.Big difference, and far as i can tell those are the kind of people that flooded unto SFR. Drowning the dedicated players and guilds in long queue’s.
No you said that only the hardcore guilds do this, I believe, but it doesn’t matter.
TC’s fighting force is collectively made up of so many small guilds and solo players. If you look at any video showing our battles, you’ll easily see a half dozen tags all mixed in together. Our big hardcore guilds on the server work tirelessly and cooperatively with everyone, whether solo, small guild, or another big guild. I guess I should count my blessings as it sounds like that is pretty unique.
I understand about the server hopping crowd. I understand the frustration. But out of our pugs (we call them militia), our guilds big and small have encouraged an environment of cooperation, rather than an us vs them attitude. We have our arguments, sure, but the overall desire to work together surpasses all that.
I guess what I’m saying is work WITH these people rather than flame them. If you’re on a map and you can’t work with your guild mates directly … round up some of these pugs, give them some basic instruction, and encourage them when they show improvement. Who knows? These server hopping weekend warriors could be your guildies next week.
Work with what you have, not against it.
Sounds like you actually care about score. In 7 months any overall win haven’t really mean anything for me. Sure it’s fun win battles with guild, but i couldn’t care kitten if we win or lose.
SFR have always been about guilds. Usually one or two guilds did handle one map almost alone and when they logged out sfr did lose everything in that map. Sure it could be good idea change, but i don’t have motivation teach anybody. PUGs could just make guild, think about builds, make some battle plan and go farm frenchies.
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did you make that screenshot up?
I’ve not been in wvwvw all evening, but when I was we had bases.
Right now its:
VS: +380, 86669
SFR: + 195, 46494
Des: +120 , 37937
Drama queens is the current state of SFR. I’m not sure there is any people even left on that server from back when they used to be very good with very low pop** in mid tiers.
**inc a low wvw pop, not that stupid we are med server therefore even though we fill every wvw map all time we are underdogs current gloat that they have. utter nonsense
Drama queens is the current state of SFR. I’m not sure there is any people even left on that server from back when they used to be very good with very low pop** in mid tiers.
**inc a low wvw pop, not that stupid we are med server therefore even though we fill every wvw map all time we are underdogs current gloat that they have. utter nonsense
utter nonsense
Pretty much sums up what you just said
It is quite hilarious how some people who don’t even play on SFR think they understand the situation. Lucky for you I am a patient man and I’ll break it down to you.
Let’s start with talking about the time before the free server transfers. I got 1 thing to say, our pugs were a dream. They worked together, they took initiative, many were using teamspeak and they listened to commanders. We had good guilds that ran around alone or reinforced with some randoms. We often had 1 guild on an entire borderland, they just appointed a pug commander and the guildies ran with the other commander. So both sides were covered. Queue times were short and raids were fun. Good times.
Now let’s see what happened after we reached #1 status and the free transfers. Many new randoms joined the server, some new guilds too who refused to use our community site or teamspeak. Or who don’t even communicate with other commanders on the map. Queue times exploded to 2-3 hours. We had to call off multiple raids because we couldn’t get enough people from our guild in. And this was with queing 1-2 hours in advance. Our prime time went down from being first to being last. We gained our points during the nights now, when the guilds could get people in. The new randoms (and I am sure not all, just the majority), were bad. They died in a breeze and didn’t listen to commanders. The /m was just disgusting to read. Full with people thinking they were the best and knew it all. Asking them to join teamspeak or join the commander resulted in remarks and laughter. We went down from having 30+ people in teamspeak for the EB map to 3. We just passed the fase of teaching the randoms and getting them to teamspeak and now we see all our efforts dissapear. We had to start all over again with a crowd that seemed impossible to ever be teached.
So yea, you tell me. Do we have to be friendly to people who just joined for the easy bags, the leechers who just wanted to say they play in T1? Who don’t want do put ANY effort at all into the community. No, the guilds are tired and we show it like this. We tell the pugs to sue it themselves. They know it best, than do it your own way. Many guilds already left, many stayed. Some will come back when we dropped or when the situation gets better. And the only reason we still are getting points is because Deso ain’t doing anything. If they pushed we wouldn’t tick higher than 50 points.
SFR has been a very good organized server with tons of WvW orientated guilds. Our backbone always has been the community. We never had many randoms, only in EB. Now it is 90% random. Will a drop to T2 help? I actually do think so yes. I know many server hoppers already left. I think we will get rid of the ‘rotten’ part of the apple like this. And can move forward with the remaining part that actually wants to put an effort in. We have to rebuild our community and that is easier and more fun to do in T2.
I think dropping down a Tier is a good example of how broken SFR is right now. The main community decided to drop and still many randoms are capping things. And don’t listen when we tell them to stop. Look at Deso and how good their guilds/randoms listen. I remember the last time we wanted to drop, Elona wanted too. We won that time in losing because the entire server didn’t even kill sentries or dolyaks. Everyone listened and went for it and we often didn’t even tick for 50 points.
If you compare that with the situation now, than you realize guilds who put 1000s of hours into SFR are mad.
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Many new randoms joined the server, some new guilds too who refused to use our community site or teamspeak. Or who don’t even communicate with other commanders on the map. [ the bit about queues ] The new randoms (and I am sure not all, just the majority), were bad. They died in a breeze and didn’t listen to commanders. The /m was just disgusting to read. Full with people thinking they were the best and knew it all. Asking them to join teamspeak or join the commander resulted in remarks and laughter. We went down from having 30+ people in teamspeak for the EB map to 3.
Except for very long queues, other servers, including mid-low tier, have had the same issues. True truth.
It’s not so much the transfers that ‘did’ anything bad to you guys, it’s the queue system getting into your old order of how things ran. An abrupt change, and keeping your old SFR players out from the field simply because of queues.
What i have quoted above, aka without the queues part, is what’s happened to many servers out there, to some degree (relative to the server’s actual WvW focus and tier), but those problems are temporary. It’s the queues that rightfully outrage you, but i’m not sure if the system isn’t to be blamed rather than the transferers.
“Right now, WvWvW is a mode stuck between its casual nature in design and its hardcore treatment by players. It breaks up and recreates server communities, then proceeds to do it again.”
Really goes to show the difference between the militia in EU and NA. They are great in NA. They do most of the scouting, supply camp capping, escorting/killing yaks and watching over our stuff. Didn’t realize this was such a problem in Europe. Pretty sure every top NA server has gone out of their way to train their militia and it’s probably why we haven’t been experiencing such problems. Perhaps investing some time in teaching the militia will make things a lot better.
Also, losing will help weed out all the fairweathers which is also a good thing. Then you’ll know who are the real militia that you should focus your attention on to train them up. Like someone mentioned earlier, don’t neglect them. They are there to do all the little things and we all know how important the little things are.