Guild Wars 2

Rangers that is…. Current strenght of spirit is measured against a Clerics/PVT tanker spec.
So now you can enjoy roughly 800/kill from omnom compote, 800/hp PR ATTACK every 10 seconds (sure doesnt sound like a lot, but if you add in 4-5 spirits you can get that down to every 3-4 seconds) in addition to this, we can now run with water spirits AND Natures Voice. Which means:

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Now, ima go into WvW, and roam around with near immortality.

Go jump in a lake…..

Oh wait… no that would be bad. Very, very bad. Immortal on land would make you over the top OP under water.

Furiousbeard.7602:

Go jump in a lake…..

Oh wait… no that would be bad. Very, very bad. Immortal on land would make you over the top OP under water.

too bad Tyria seems to be facing a major drought. Or else, rangers woulda been in a sweet spot.

I have always wanted you… the loot bags.

Geez. As if the healway rangers weren’t OP enough already.

Nope. Spirits are useless in WvW as they die in 1 second, unless you’re just roaming and plan on getting into 1v1 or 1v2 fights. Anything more, and you’re toast.

Doesn’t work the way you imply I don’t think. Up to 5 people will get the buff, once you have the buff that’s your 1 heal. The same person will never get a second heal every 10 seconds. I’ve played around with the 2 different ranks and it’s also looking like only one heals despite there being 2 buffs on the target.

This heal is garbage, but it’s been out for an hour, and this is wvw where spirits are useless so…

Rangers….rofl…

Atherakhia.4086:

Doesn’t work the way you imply I don’t think. Up to 5 people will get the buff, once you have the buff that’s your 1 heal. The same person will never get a second heal every 10 seconds. I’ve played around with the 2 different ranks and it’s also looking like only one heals despite there being 2 buffs on the target.

This heal is garbage, but it’s been out for an hour, and this is wvw where spirits are useless so…

yes you cant have 2 heal procs at the same time, but the ICD is on the spirit itself. So if you get in range of a different spirit, you enter that specific spirits proc and ICD. Me and two other guys tested with with sun spirit. we had one guy run in and out of our spirits AE, result was he set people on fire much more often.

Also Ather, you obviously have no clue as to were the ranger is atm in terms of power. So just stop your silly whining about them being wastly underpowered. They have been ok for a while now. There is much room for improvement, but atleast they can hold their own in any and all situations.

Unless you want to be a zerker bearbow PVE hero. Then you are useless no matter what.

Rangers – Yea, they are still a class.

Spurnshadow.3678:

Nope. Spirits are useless in WvW as they die in 1 second, unless you’re just roaming and plan on getting into 1v1 or 1v2 fights. Anything more, and you’re toast.

they work fine if you dont stay on the frontlines. OR well, they nerfed the storm spirit, but before you could use storm spirit on the frontlines, let it die and have its active effect (Lighting strike AOE) crit everything around it for up to 8k damage. Really nasty bomb to be carrying.

Nope, we still don’t want you :p Not in guild group play anyways. In small scale yeah they are fine.

Prysin.8542:

Atherakhia.4086:

Doesn’t work the way you imply I don’t think. Up to 5 people will get the buff, once you have the buff that’s your 1 heal. The same person will never get a second heal every 10 seconds. I’ve played around with the 2 different ranks and it’s also looking like only one heals despite there being 2 buffs on the target.

This heal is garbage, but it’s been out for an hour, and this is wvw where spirits are useless so…

yes you cant have 2 heal procs at the same time, but the ICD is on the spirit itself. So if you get in range of a different spirit, you enter that specific spirits proc and ICD. Me and two other guys tested with with sun spirit. we had one guy run in and out of our spirits AE, result was he set people on fire much more often.

Also Ather, you obviously have no clue as to were the ranger is atm in terms of power. So just stop your silly whining about them being wastly underpowered. They have been ok for a while now. There is much room for improvement, but atleast they can hold their own in any and all situations.

Unless you want to be a zerker bearbow PVE hero. Then you are useless no matter what.

Yea, clearly I’m way off base considering the majority of people concur that they’re the least useful class in WvW. As I’ve said countless times with you… you’re letting your bias and your opinion that ANet can do no wrong cloud your judgement. I mean spirits are useful in WvW as anything but roaming? Come on dude… you’re calling me clueless?

I’ll test your theory as to how the above scenario works, but I will say right now that it is impossible to design a working strat around it. It’s more like you’re hoping random Ranger’s spirits die in hopes you get the buff from another.

And hold their own in any/all situations? What game are you playing dude… no one on this forum is buying what you’re selling. Go to the Ranger forums with this nonsense. Every class in the game will tell you they’ll almost always target the Ranger first… even Rangers will. Outside of roaming, the class is outshined by 7 other classes. It’s not worthless, as I’ve sound numerous times… but what it brings is below par compared to every other class.

nirvana.8245:

Nope, we still don’t want you :p Not in guild group play anyways. In small scale yeah they are fine.

wouldnt wanna be in a guild group either. Too much elitism and screaming, way less fun then running with randoms.

@Ather
follwing Anets statistics on the balance between the professions, some 80% of us has made a ranger at some point. I dare say 80% of those 80% gave up before reaching level 50, because they saw warriors, guards and eles do much more awesome stuff in WvW and PvE. Some 15% of those remaining 20% stuck with the profession till they reached 80, yet they most likely relied on tried and tested builds such as RRR, BM Bunker, Glass Cannon Bearbow, Trapper and Spirit Ranger, without considering or taking into account the way you must play those builds to get the most out of them. The remaining 5% can be split into 4 sections.
1% decided to follow the FOTM and rerolled
1% fell in love with another profession
2% use their ranger for casual play only
1% actually spent time perfecting, developing and creating new builds and playstyles.

That last, final percentage, are the ones which you meet ingame that are really really awesome foes. Their the guys and gals you really wish you wouldn’t have to fight. Sadly, from your understanding and insight, i believe you belong to the 2% that played the ranger casually. Not because you seem to be stupid, but because you seem to not understand the underlying implications of what different skills and combinations there-of may provide you.

Prysin.8542:

nirvana.8245:

Nope, we still don’t want you :p Not in guild group play anyways. In small scale yeah they are fine.

wouldnt wanna be in a guild group either. Too much elitism and screaming, way less fun then running with randoms.

@Ather
follwing Anets statistics on the balance between the professions, some 80% of us has made a ranger at some point. I dare say 80% of those 80% gave up before reaching level 50, because they saw warriors, guards and eles do much more awesome stuff in WvW and PvE. Some 15% of those remaining 20% stuck with the profession till they reached 80, yet they most likely relied on tried and tested builds such as RRR, BM Bunker, Glass Cannon Bearbow, Trapper and Spirit Ranger, without considering or taking into account the way you must play those builds to get the most out of them. The remaining 5% can be split into 4 sections.
1% decided to follow the FOTM and rerolled
1% fell in love with another profession
2% use their ranger for casual play only
1% actually spent time perfecting, developing and creating new builds and playstyles.

That last, final percentage, are the ones which you meet ingame that are really really awesome foes. Their the guys and gals you really wish you wouldn’t have to fight. Sadly, from your understanding and insight, i believe you belong to the 2% that played the ranger casually. Not because you seem to be stupid, but because you seem to not understand the underlying implications of what different skills and combinations there-of may provide you.

This is what you want to believe, but it’s a fallacy. The WvW community is large enough at this point where they can distinguish the difference between player skill and class shortcomings. The WvW community by and large, and especially the large, well organized guilds that have been playing these types of games for decades can spot what does and does not work before you even factor in individual skill. None of these power guilds have any interest in Rangers. They have their 1 or 2 and wouldn’t go out of their way to recruit another.

No amount of player skill is going to compensate for the class’s shortcomings. You and I have never met, you haven’t a clue how well I play this class or what my interests with the class are. There’s no reason to keep trying to say I’m a terrible player. I’ve never doubted your abilities only your opinion of the class.

I’m glad you enjoy this class and you feel slight number tweaks and maybe some trait shaving will be all the class needs. Not everyone is going to agree with you and certainly no one on this forum is going to buy your story that this class isn’t worthy of the 8th place.

The major issue with the WvW community, or rather the entire GW2 community by and large and especially larger and more serious guilds, is that they all think a ranger MUST be some idiot rallybot that is running full zerker bearbow. Because there can not possibly be any other build out there that does not culminate or equate full zerker bearbow.
The main grief of this profession, before we even reach the shortcomings, is the prejudice it faces. While i agree that it needs improvement in more then one area, it’s usefulness and ability to excel in multiple things at once is second to that of the warrior. If you were to look into the whole matter even deeper, you’d realize that the reason people think the ranger suck is not because it is lacking in numbers, or because the pet is garbage. It is because that to achieve the full potential you have to apply some effort. While the most popular professions can reach their full potential purely by building them right and watching their CD’s. Why is this?
Because no other profession requires you to keep track of your evades, your health, your condition status, a pets health (no pet = seriously bad DPS), a pets condition status, AOE, CD’s and whatnot else.

Playing a ranger is like playing two characters at once, and one of your characters (pet) is a upleveld glass cannon with no condition cleansing of its own. THAT is what makes people shun this class. you have to put some effort to play it, and it is by no means untrue to claim that most gamers around are too lazy to bother with something like this, if there is an alternative, and truth be told, in GW2 we have some great alternatives.

That being said, to go back to topic. Aslong as you spec for the 35% proc chance increase the spirits get 2x health. Which do help a lot. They may not survive too long, but following proper “spirit math” they only need to last 30 seconds or less to be worth it. (either i get a heal that recharges every 20 seconds, or i have a heal-on-demand + heal-on-attack for 60 seconds)

???
If you put in so much effort to be just on par (at best) with other professions, something is wrong. The issue isn’t the willingness to put in the effort. People realize it is a foolish waste of time to put in X amount of effort, but not being rewarded appropriately.

Eloquence.5207:

???
If you put in so much effort to be just on par (at best) with other professions, something is wrong. The issue isn’t the willingness to put in the effort. People realize it is a foolish waste of time to put in X amount of effort, but not being rewarded appropriately.

it is a matter of preference. For me, ranger is the thing. While i can easily play the other professions, they dont come as naturally or easily to me as ranger does. Some prefer guards, other mesmers, some thieves. It’s just how it is. However if it isn’t your thing, you wouldn’t put so much effort into it.

Regarding being rewarded or not, isn’t rising to the challenge reward enough? Or do you refer to material rewards such as loot? In which case, rangers are far up there when it comes to tagging.

Prysin.8542:

Rangers that is…. Current strenght of spirit is measured against a Clerics/PVT tanker spec.
So now you can enjoy roughly 800/kill from omnom compote, 800/hp PR ATTACK every 10 seconds (sure doesnt sound like a lot, but if you add in 4-5 spirits you can get that down to every 3-4 seconds) in addition to this, we can now run with water spirits AND Natures Voice. Which means:

http://i42.tinypic.com/wb431f.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/5l46mb.jpg

Now, ima go into WvW, and roam around with near immortality.

I don’t think anyone ever doubted the value of rangers as roamers or as a decent 1v1 class, but any class that relies on pets/minions/spirits is going to have a hard time fighting in zergs as the AoE will more than likely insta kill your source of “immortality”.

The meta hasn’t really changed at all with regards to rangers except that they are now slightly better for roaming (they were already pretty good if you knew how to play them), but still terrible in zergs. Unless anet were to make it possible to build a ranger that doesn’t rely at all on pets, that will always be the case.

Actually… that “Guard” skill seems pretty decent, perma swift, protection and regen on a targetted area? It is only 12s CD and tbe buffs last 13s.

OH my.

no, we do not.

15chars

RANGER OP!!!!! New metA inc, prepare teh rally bots!