Guild Wars 2

What are you on about? I don’t understand the point of both these posts…

I hope the OP realizes that the kind of utilization of siege he is talking about constitutes griefing and is as such reportable behavior. If you were to read these posts in a negative way, what you are doing is essentially encourage users to engage in behavior that is not acceptable by the Rules of Conduct (22. PvP — This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching).

Also, what about the developers original idea of having legendaries express some mastery of the entire game. To me this new acquisition method for Gift of Battle fulfills that original goal way better than the previous one. The item is part of the construction of legendaries for the express purpose of tying part of it to WvW after all, if that was not a goal the item would not exist in the first place.

Bottom line, not necessarily the smartest way to get your point across.

boolah.1325:

What are you on about? I don’t understand the point of both these posts…

Basically, the OP is mad about how ANet decided to change how you can get the legendary material called Gift of Battle. It originally costed badges to get, but in the most recent update they changed it so you have to do a reward track to get one. So instead of doing the reasonable and intelligent thing and expressing his views in feedback threads on the forums or reddit, he decides to encourage people to grief and troll to force a reaction. (Sorta like a child holding their breath until mummy and daddy cave in.)

Ahh, the gw2 community. Reminds me of one of the reasons I stopped playing for 2 years. I come back to find the exact same toxic PVE players ruining wvw, spvp and even PVE for everyone else. Reminds me of the karma trainers in eotm.

I wish I could earn gold and craft all the exotics and ascendeds I need by doing spvp or wvw but I can’t. Should I now go sabotaging raids, dungeons and events to spite other people? Absolutely not

MilkCarton.4087:

Ahh, the gw2 community. Reminds me of one of the reasons I stopped playing for 2 years. I come back to find the exact same toxic PVE players ruining wvw, spvp and even PVE for everyone else. Reminds me of the karma trainers in eotm.

I wish I could earn gold and craft all the exotics and ascendeds I need by doing spvp or wvw but I can’t. Should I now go sabotaging raids, dungeons and events to spite other people? Absolutely not

PvE players didn’t ask to be forced to play WvW, you can thank Anet for that.

To be fair it was shortsighted to make the change that they did. Is anyone really surprised that PvE players who don’t care about or want to do WvW are doing this?

The only reason we don’t get this toxicity from WvW/PvP players in PvE is because NPCs don’t have feelings and generally hearts are so easy to do/few people are actively doing them it doesn’t make a difference. If the shoe was on the other foot where WvW players had to land the final blow on a certain mob or world boss to get something for legendary WvW items then you bet they would be every bit as toxic to the game mode its in as the OP is to WvW.

The problem comes from forcing people to do things they don’t want to do, so they will do the bare minimum and say screw everyone else.

So a bunch of PvE players are going to be standing around a ruin without walls to hide behind? Sounds like free bags to me, this should be fun.

Jim Hunter.6821:

So a bunch of PvE players are going to be standing around a ruin without walls to hide behind? Sounds like free bags to me, this should be fun.

lol if it’s a group on your server doing this!

Silas Eorth.7348:

Have fun sabotaging your server guys!

Yes, what you just suggested will result in a ban if Anet catches you doing it. I was told to report people fro siege trolling as bots so A dev will come watch them and ban them.

rwolf.9571:

Jim Hunter.6821:

So a bunch of PvE players are going to be standing around a ruin without walls to hide behind? Sounds like free bags to me, this should be fun.

lol if it’s a group on your server doing this!

Am I gonna be pming some friendly neighborhood enemy roamers then? Probably.

So…. basically, this dude’s trying to hold WvW hostage. Awesome. Someone has to have a very severe void in their life to sink to this level, especially over a shiny in a video game. There’s no words to properly articulate just how pathetic this is. I do hope this dude tries it, though, and ends up getting banned for it. Then he doesn’t get any legendary at all. That’s called cosmic justice.

And the real irony is that now it’s actually easier to get the GoB than it was before. Follow a tag and spam AoE, just like you’d do during a champ train, and you’ll get it in a few hours. Resort to threatening to sabotage your server, trying to hold WvW hostage until the devs cave, and hopefully you’ll be finding yourself unable to log in at all, and needing to find a new game to throw a tantrum in.

gennyt.3428:

rwolf.9571:

Jim Hunter.6821:

So a bunch of PvE players are going to be standing around a ruin without walls to hide behind? Sounds like free bags to me, this should be fun.

lol if it’s a group on your server doing this!

Am I gonna be pming some friendly neighborhood enemy roamers then? Probably.

^

Silas Eorth.7348:

Obviously my OP was laced with a lot of salty and toxic sarcasm. But that’s simply because I frustrated beyond the point of belief. And do I think that these methods actually need to be followed and implemented? Absolutely not. It’s not fair to the WvW Community. But a major change was forced on people who absolutely do not care about WvW. I could have jumped into EB, bought my gift (with badges that were earned before the server mergers) and left… but that option was taken away and I am forced to spend time in WvW.

And the real irony is that now it’s actually easier to get the GoB than it was before. Follow a tag and spam AoE, just like you’d do during a champ train, and you’ll get it in a few hours.

“A few hours” is a strong misconception. Even at maximum participation it would take approzomately 8.5 hours to finish the track. But it’s hard to get maximum participation when you’re getting the kitten stomped out of you by enemy zergs that are constantly camping outside the starting areas in each borderland.

And despite the cynical rage of my OP, I don’t intend of griefing. I’ll try to spend what very limited time I have each day to earn progress (even though I’d rather spend that time doing stuff I actually enjoy). And I wouldn’t encourage others who are in my position to take this “trollish approach” seriously. But this change has completely ruined my game. Especially since I’ll require two GoBs to finish what I started and I don’t want to be forced to do something I hate to get them.

TL;DR = Don’t take the OP serious. It’s cynical and angry for a reason. It’s to hopefully get people to understand that this recent change is unwanted and hurts the community. And maybe encourage enough of the WvW crowd to see things from our point of view and maybe help draw attention to it so ANet can work with us to make a change that’s fair to everyone.

Yup 10-20 hours in a game mode you don’t enjoy is pretty miserable and really doesn’t motivate you to play the game.
Now you are getting a glimpse of how wvw players have been treated since the beginning of this game. If you are expecting sympathy you are preaching to the wrong crowd because your 10-20 hours is a drop in the bucket against what we have to do.

I’m also disappointed you won’t be setting up the pve player bag farm for me

Silas Eorth.7348:

To the legitimate WvWers out there: I really don’t want to resort to these methods. But a very large part of the community has expressed their dislike of the recent changes. We were not given a fair warning about this and now lots of people who saved up their badges have to completely restart from scratch to achieve their goals.

We’ve asked for all sorts of alternatives: Reverting the system to the old ways / Having both the vendor and the reward track as options / A temporary reinstatement of the vendor with a clearly communicated deadline for its removal. And the only response is that our discussion thread was moved from “Game Discussion” to the “WvW” forums.

We feel betrayed, insulted, and neglected by the devs. We’d like to just stay out of your game-mode and leave it to those who clearly want to be there. But we’re not getting answers and we have to figure out something… some kind of way to be heard. And if having a negative impact is the only option left, then so be it.

If you care about WvW and your server, I’d ask you guys to please speak up and help out. Because telling us to “git gud” and “sucks to be you” is only going to inflame us even more and perhaps make more of us take these “sabotage suggestions” seriously.

That is attempting to rally ingame griefing, while the gob change was kitten, you deserve to be banned from the game for match up manipulation.

There is no excuse for behavior like this, or inciting it.
Your head has to roll mate.
You may demand deleting this threat, but your sad rage and assault \hostage situation is the most pathetic behavior i have seen here in a while.
This behavior is a problem since release, but to rally the pve playerbase to assault the wvw game mode is the most vile and disgusting “solution” to choose. People like you that want to further their agenda with hate posts against an entire playerbase need to be banned. You can not be trusted to communicate on the Forums or ingame any less disgusting. I hope the shut your kitten down by the first attempt of such behavior ingame.

MilkCarton.4087:

Ahh, the gw2 community. Reminds me of one of the reasons I stopped playing for 2 years. I come back to find the exact same toxic PVE players ruining wvw, spvp and even PVE for everyone else. Reminds me of the karma trainers in eotm.

I wish I could earn gold and craft all the exotics and ascendeds I need by doing spvp or wvw but I can’t. Should I now go sabotaging raids, dungeons and events to spite other people? Absolutely not

No but its wasnt like the game never forced you to do those in the beginning just to decide that, eh, NOW you will have to do them. Suddenly.. With a warning a month ago (WITHOUT DATE) in a 17.000 words document.

but still..
I think that, yes, you should be able to earn and craft all stuff you like by playing the gamemodus you like. So why not campaign for that? Why not campaign for more reward tracks that give you better options and gold to earn what you like?
Why not a reward track that gives 1/nths scrap of exploration +x /ressource from kitten +exo weapon fitting for the area

(like: Reward track:ascalon would give you special herbs n stuff you can get there and maybe exo that would drop from an enemy there and mats and the scrap of exploration..) So you would have to do all tracks and would need to give around the same time one would take to 100% the map.. and then you would have your 2 gifts of exploration and hopefully similar gold and loot..

like, why not?

You know, as salty as we WvW’ers can get, I have never seen any suggestion to go into PvE just because we need PvE to get legendaries even if we don’t like it to actively sabotage pve maps, like deliberately killing octovines or scaling the blighting tower bosses without doing damage.

Maybe it’s because threatening to grief people that have nothing to do with the situation and can’t change the situation just because one has an axe to grind with Anet over some pixels isn’t the mark of basic human decency.

Granted, to the PvE’rs out there that don’t think like this, and there’s a lot of you, I will continue to suggest ways to the development to keep you where you want, out of WvW. To OP though, I hope you get your legendary, may every step be as bitter as the last.

lol, yeah hate posts from people who are happy to just kill people who are worse than themselves (because we dont wanna do the kittening kitten pvp kittenit. pvp isnt less pvp if its a bunch of blobs on a bigger map, no matter the dressing. and especially with the technical problems atm it looked on a video like you were watching stop motion animation.. )
So, yeah, I am sorry that I dont wanna be the "lie-down-get-shanked-easily-victim for you when I am forced to slog through the bog of eternal stench

ArchonWing.9480:

You know, as salty as we WvW’ers can get, I have never seen any suggestion to go into PvE just because we need PvE to get legendaries even if we don’t like it to actively sabotage pve maps, like deliberately killing octovines or scaling the blighting tower bosses without doing damage.

Maybe it’s because threatening to grief people that have nothing to do with the situation and can’t change the situation just because one has an axe to grind with Anet over some pixels isn’t the mark of basic human decency.

Granted, to the PvE’rs out there that don’t think like this, and there’s a lot of you, I will continue to suggest ways to the development to keep you where you want, out of WvW. To OP though, I hope you get your legendary, may every step be as bitter as the last.

You say that but I’ve seen plenty of WvW guardians running around going 1111111 on staff, empowering for heals and before a fight, then 111111 and using the same utilities as in WvW. They make no effort at all in PvE and are in fact being carried in those events you mentioned. Same thing off all classes, back line necros, frontline warriors when they were a things (yes with hammer saw/wh), roaming builds all sorts.

Sure it’s not a deliberate act, however it doesn’t change the fact they are dragging the team down by putting in the minimum effort anyone possibly can.

Same thing goes to what the OP was saying, but applying to other players. People will do what he’s said, not because they deliberately want to ruin your experience but because it’s the quickest and easiest way to get what they want, a gift of battle.

Firmicute.3876:

because we dont wanna do the kittening kitten pvp kittenit. pvp isnt less pvp if its a bunch of blobs on a bigger map,

Wut?

apharma.3741:

ArchonWing.9480:

You know, as salty as we WvW’ers can get, I have never seen any suggestion to go into PvE just because we need PvE to get legendaries even if we don’t like it to actively sabotage pve maps, like deliberately killing octovines or scaling the blighting tower bosses without doing damage.

Maybe it’s because threatening to grief people that have nothing to do with the situation and can’t change the situation just because one has an axe to grind with Anet over some pixels isn’t the mark of basic human decency.

Granted, to the PvE’rs out there that don’t think like this, and there’s a lot of you, I will continue to suggest ways to the development to keep you where you want, out of WvW. To OP though, I hope you get your legendary, may every step be as bitter as the last.

You say that but I’ve seen plenty of WvW guardians running around going 1111111 on staff, empowering for heals and before a fight, then 111111 and using the same utilities as in WvW. They make no effort at all in PvE and are in fact being carried in those events you mentioned. Same thing off all classes, back line necros, frontline warriors when they were a things (yes with hammer saw/wh), roaming builds all sorts.

Sure it’s not a deliberate act, however it doesn’t change the fact they are dragging the team down by putting in the minimum effort anyone possibly can.

Same thing goes to what the OP was saying, but applying to other players. People will do what he’s said, not because they deliberately want to ruin your experience but because it’s the quickest and easiest way to get what they want, a gift of battle.

First off, Lootstick guardians are not native to WvW lol. Open World where you can farm with lootstick is generally too easy to bother with optimizing. Obviously in HoT and certain other bosses, lootstick shouldn’t be used due to the reward mechanics but it could just be people not getting the point. Like why would you bring lootstick to Teq? But I guess they’re not aware of the reward mechanics.

Secondly, I’m afraid I can’t subscribe to that school of thought at all because it’s a toxic mindset. If you’re viewing people that are of lesser skill or experience to you that aren’t playing properly as deadweight and are ruining the group effort, keep in mind there’s always a bigger fish out there that might just view you as the same. And maybe if we rid the maps of these casual leechers, they might all of a sudden be empty and then people cry about population loss and ded games because they chased off 80% of the people.

When someone says they’re a “healer”, I just smile and go “you go heal!” instead of LOLZ HEALING SUX GO ZERKER CUZ UR SLOWING US DOWN BY 14 SECONDS. It’s open world; people come of all diffrent skill levels and awareness of the game and as long as they’re here to not sabotage the event, I think it’s too much honestly to ask of them. Relax, it’s not a raid or something. Well, I mean if people call for CC, they should make some attempt at reading the chat, but I admit sometimes it’s easy to lose attention.

Same goes with people that have zero intent of WvW’ing and just want their daily. I just take them down to the boar or whatever and we all have a nice day instead of moaning about queue spots or Pee Pee Tee. I place people above abstract concepts and pixelated loot. It is an MMO after all…. If you want to put in the work to show off your fabulous skins and gadgets, don’t you want people around to actually see them?

ArchonWing.9480:

apharma.3741:

ArchonWing.9480:

You know, as salty as we WvW’ers can get, I have never seen any suggestion to go into PvE just because we need PvE to get legendaries even if we don’t like it to actively sabotage pve maps, like deliberately killing octovines or scaling the blighting tower bosses without doing damage.

Maybe it’s because threatening to grief people that have nothing to do with the situation and can’t change the situation just because one has an axe to grind with Anet over some pixels isn’t the mark of basic human decency.

Granted, to the PvE’rs out there that don’t think like this, and there’s a lot of you, I will continue to suggest ways to the development to keep you where you want, out of WvW. To OP though, I hope you get your legendary, may every step be as bitter as the last.

You say that but I’ve seen plenty of WvW guardians running around going 1111111 on staff, empowering for heals and before a fight, then 111111 and using the same utilities as in WvW. They make no effort at all in PvE and are in fact being carried in those events you mentioned. Same thing off all classes, back line necros, frontline warriors when they were a things (yes with hammer saw/wh), roaming builds all sorts.

Sure it’s not a deliberate act, however it doesn’t change the fact they are dragging the team down by putting in the minimum effort anyone possibly can.

Same thing goes to what the OP was saying, but applying to other players. People will do what he’s said, not because they deliberately want to ruin your experience but because it’s the quickest and easiest way to get what they want, a gift of battle.

First off, Lootstick guardians are not native to WvW lol. Open World where you can farm with lootstick is generally too easy to bother with optimizing. Obviously in HoT, lootstick shouldn’t be used due to the reward mechanics but it could just be people not getting the point.

Secondly, I’m afraid I can’t subscribe to that school of thought at all because it’s a toxic mindset. If you’re viewing people that are of lesser skill or experience to you that aren’t playing properly as deadweight and are ruining the group effort, keep in mind there’s always a bigger fish out there that might just view you as the same. And maybe if we rid the maps of these casual leechers, they might all of a sudden be empty and then people cry about population loss and ded games because they chased off 80% of the people.

When someone says they’re a “healer”, I just smile and go “you go heal!” instead of LOLZ HEALING SUX GO ZERKER CUZ UR SLOWING US DOWN BY 14 SECONDS. It’s open world; people come of all diffrent skill levels and awareness of the game and as long as they’re here to not sabotage the event, I think it’s too much honestly to ask of them. Relax, it’s not a raid or something. Well, I mean if people call for CC, they should make some attempt at reading the chat, but I admit sometimes it’s easy to lose attention.

Same goes with people that have zero intent of WvW’ing and just want their daily. I just take them down to the boar or whatever and we all have a nice day instead of moaning about queue spots or Pee Pee Tee. I place people above abstract concepts.

You may have been talking about open world however I was also meaning dungeons, fractals and sadly raids. I have seen people playing these WvW builds in non open world PvE and it isn’t a case of it takes 14s longer, it’s a case of 3 people making an effort and carrying 2 dead weights. In raids people just flat out leave the group if they see that WvW build. Some open world content is also not something you want WvW builds for, triple trouble, old Chak gerent, getting the timed achievement for the mordremoth fight, the new shatterer.

The people running WvW builds in PvE aren’t intentionally griefing even if they are being dead weights no more than the PvE players that want their gift of battle and doing what the OP suggests.

Firmicute.3876:

So, yeah, I am sorry that I dont wanna be the "lie-down-get-shanked-easily-victim for you when I am forced to slog through the bog of eternal stench

Then don’t be that guy.

Every single person who’s played WvW has easily done 1,000 faceplants (sometimes unintentionally, by falling off cliffs). Don’t sweat being stabbed or ganked. Get back up and go find the guy who did it and stake them into the ground

PVE is a different skillset than WvW. And WvW is a different skillset than PVE. It expands your game and challenges you to become good at both.

And it’s true what others have said in this thread. While PVE is used to an almost instant response to outrage on the forums, those of us here have never ever suggested disrupting PVE when frustrations arose. You’re punishing other players, not Anet, by doing that.

apharma.3741:

ArchonWing.9480:

apharma.3741:

ArchonWing.9480:

You know, as salty as we WvW’ers can get, I have never seen any suggestion to go into PvE just because we need PvE to get legendaries even if we don’t like it to actively sabotage pve maps, like deliberately killing octovines or scaling the blighting tower bosses without doing damage.

Maybe it’s because threatening to grief people that have nothing to do with the situation and can’t change the situation just because one has an axe to grind with Anet over some pixels isn’t the mark of basic human decency.

Granted, to the PvE’rs out there that don’t think like this, and there’s a lot of you, I will continue to suggest ways to the development to keep you where you want, out of WvW. To OP though, I hope you get your legendary, may every step be as bitter as the last.

You say that but I’ve seen plenty of WvW guardians running around going 1111111 on staff, empowering for heals and before a fight, then 111111 and using the same utilities as in WvW. They make no effort at all in PvE and are in fact being carried in those events you mentioned. Same thing off all classes, back line necros, frontline warriors when they were a things (yes with hammer saw/wh), roaming builds all sorts.

Sure it’s not a deliberate act, however it doesn’t change the fact they are dragging the team down by putting in the minimum effort anyone possibly can.

Same thing goes to what the OP was saying, but applying to other players. People will do what he’s said, not because they deliberately want to ruin your experience but because it’s the quickest and easiest way to get what they want, a gift of battle.

First off, Lootstick guardians are not native to WvW lol. Open World where you can farm with lootstick is generally too easy to bother with optimizing. Obviously in HoT, lootstick shouldn’t be used due to the reward mechanics but it could just be people not getting the point.

Secondly, I’m afraid I can’t subscribe to that school of thought at all because it’s a toxic mindset. If you’re viewing people that are of lesser skill or experience to you that aren’t playing properly as deadweight and are ruining the group effort, keep in mind there’s always a bigger fish out there that might just view you as the same. And maybe if we rid the maps of these casual leechers, they might all of a sudden be empty and then people cry about population loss and ded games because they chased off 80% of the people.

When someone says they’re a “healer”, I just smile and go “you go heal!” instead of LOLZ HEALING SUX GO ZERKER CUZ UR SLOWING US DOWN BY 14 SECONDS. It’s open world; people come of all diffrent skill levels and awareness of the game and as long as they’re here to not sabotage the event, I think it’s too much honestly to ask of them. Relax, it’s not a raid or something. Well, I mean if people call for CC, they should make some attempt at reading the chat, but I admit sometimes it’s easy to lose attention.

Same goes with people that have zero intent of WvW’ing and just want their daily. I just take them down to the boar or whatever and we all have a nice day instead of moaning about queue spots or Pee Pee Tee. I place people above abstract concepts.

You may have been talking about open world however I was also meaning dungeons, fractals and sadly raids. I have seen people playing these WvW builds in non open world PvE and it isn’t a case of it takes 14s longer, it’s a case of 3 people making an effort and carrying 2 dead weights. In raids people just flat out leave the group if they see that WvW build. Some open world content is also not something you want WvW builds for, triple trouble, old Chak gerent, getting the timed achievement for the mordremoth fight, the new shatterer.

The people running WvW builds in PvE aren’t intentionally griefing even if they are being dead weights no more than the PvE players that want their gift of battle and doing what the OP suggests.

Well, I think there’s a huge difference between a ranger that spams PBS and kittenes you off because they don’t know any better, and me coming in with a dire ranger deliberately PBS’ing when you got everything lined up. The later is deliberately griefing. Sure, the distinction isn’t easily provable here, but it is a bit more so in the initial example (kill trading, afk en masse).

As for the higher end content, it’s certainly up to the group to specify what they want (Zerker only, no X class, want X class) or that’s what you’ll end up with. It’s literally just the luck of the draw and if you get these “Deadweights”, that’s sort of on you. And who says WvW builds can’t turn up in pve? Since a lot of them work fine in open world since mobility is heavily favored there and people don’t know any better.

ArchonWing.9480:

Well, I think there’s a huge difference between a ranger that spams PBS and kittenes you off because they don’t know any better, and me coming in with a dire ranger deliberately PBS’ing when you got everything lined up. The later is deliberately griefing. Sure, the distinction isn’t easily provable here, but it is a bit more so in the initial example (kill trading, afk en masse).

Here is where we get to what I’m saying. What is to stop a PvE player going into WvW, seeing they get participation from capping a ruin, getting to max participation then going afk at garri home border? They then flip the nearest ruin every 5 mins then get back to watching netflix or whatever else they’re doing.

What happens when you get 20 of these players doing this when legendary armours are obtainable and need gifts of battle? That’s 20 spots that people who do want to actively play WvW can’t have and it spoils the experience of everyone else because spots in WvW are limited. Those 20 players aren’t intentionally griefing either, they’re doing the minimum needed to get that gift of battle. It’s similar to what the OP is saying but they aren’t deliberately doing it to kitten over everyone else.

ArchonWing.9480:

And who says WvW builds can’t turn up in pve? Since a lot of them work fine in open world since mobility is heavily favored there and people don’t know any better.

Sure you can turn up to instances in your PVT guard, condi Mesmer/thief but it doesn’t mean you’ll not be kicked for being as useful as a chocolate fire guard. Some don’t even work well in open world as they don’t do enough damage quick enough to get the tag.

apharma.3741:

ArchonWing.9480:

Well, I think there’s a huge difference between a ranger that spams PBS and kittenes you off because they don’t know any better, and me coming in with a dire ranger deliberately PBS’ing when you got everything lined up. The later is deliberately griefing. Sure, the distinction isn’t easily provable here, but it is a bit more so in the initial example (kill trading, afk en masse).

Here is where we get to what I’m saying. What is to stop a PvE player going into WvW, seeing they get participation from capping a ruin, getting to max participation then going afk at garri home border? They then flip the nearest ruin every 5 mins then get back to watching netflix or whatever else they’re doing.

What happens when you get 20 of these players doing this when legendary armours are obtainable and need gifts of battle? That’s 20 spots that people who do want to actively play WvW can’t have and it spoils the experience of everyone else because spots in WvW are limited. Those 20 players aren’t intentionally griefing either, they’re doing the minimum needed to get that gift of battle. It’s similar to what the OP is saying but they aren’t deliberately doing it to kitten over everyone else.

The same as people that come in to craft, gather synthesizers, or skimp on WP costs. But without the vindication or threats.

Heck, sometimes, when I’m done, I wait until the participation decays. That’s my right to get what I am entitled to. (BTW all Anet will do is not give partcipation for ruins, most likely)

And if they’re willing to constantly camp the ruins, I think some people will be happy about that too.

ArchonWing.9480:

And who says WvW builds can’t turn up in pve? Since a lot of them work fine in open world since mobility is heavily favored there and people don’t know any better.

Sure you can turn up to instances in your PVT guard, condi Mesmer/thief but it doesn’t mean you’ll not be kicked for being as useful as a chocolate fire guard. Some don’t even work well in open world as they don’t do enough damage quick enough to get the tag.

My point was that you can’t just see a staff guardian or something of the sort, and assume they came from WvW. And sure, if you stated your requirements beforehand, you can kick them. Otherwise, this shouldn’t happen if you communicated it was a speedrun or whatnot. In the end, in a place where you can control who gets in the group, playing with people that aren’t meta is strictly your choice.

Gilles VI.2149:

PvE players didn’t ask to be forced to play WvW, you can thank Anet for that.

Doesn’t change the fact that you lot are incredibly petty people.

apharma.3741:

To be fair it was shortsighted to make the change that they did. Is anyone really surprised that PvE players who don’t care about or want to do WvW are doing this?

The only reason we don’t get this toxicity from WvW/PvP players in PvE is because NPCs don’t have feelings and generally hearts are so easy to do/few people are actively doing them it doesn’t make a difference. If the shoe was on the other foot where WvW players had to land the final blow on a certain mob or world boss to get something for legendary WvW items then you bet they would be every bit as toxic to the game mode its in as the OP is to WvW.

The problem comes from forcing people to do things they don’t want to do, so they will do the bare minimum and say screw everyone else.

You can progress in the reward track just by playing wvw normally. What is this BS about getting the last hit in or whatever. It has nothing to do with anything and you’re just coming up with baseless arguments. Also, the shoe has been in the other foot since the start of the game when we’re forced to gather mats and grind out dungeons to get anything. Some exotic stats you can’t even buy of TP, you have to play pve to get them.

Anet should remove almost all rewards from pvp and wvw. While it means we have to grind pve to get stuff for wvw, at least we won’t have petty pve players clogging up wvw and spvp and acting like they own the entire game mode.

yes please? Or just give every mode aces to every stuff just by playing that mode.. make expensive/good stuff harder to get so you can show your skills pertaining to the mode.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Firmicute.3876:

because we dont wanna do the kittening kitten pvp kittenit. pvp isnt less pvp if its a bunch of blobs on a bigger map,

Wut?

we do not want the [expletive 1-adjective][expletive 2 noun] pvp, [interjection] (anger because) pvp is not less pvp if its one big group against another.
(Wvw is still pvp no matter how hard it tries to look like pseudopve. I hate pvp. I dont care for pvp. I will not magically start to care for pvp &all the etiquette and all just because some … person decided that I will now have to or be buggered.)