Guild Wars 2

deso pug commander feedback on new desert bl:

first of all, best thing in wvw in a long time, ty anet.

usually i have a privilege and opportunity to enjoy the wvw with a small number of players. i run with 10-15 guys that know me and like what i do. so this is in a way a feedback from a small havoc squad.

i read a lot complaints on forum about too much pve (i think ppl refer here to shrines mostly). i try to look at it as an additional layer to the wvw mechanics. for me it is not a problem to flip a shrine before i try to go for a keep. this gives enemy additional signal about the next possible target. also if i am defending it gives me the same signal. so there is actually a new layer of tactics involved with the shrines. previously we only had the camps flipping as an indication to enemy movement. this shrine thing kinda balances the response time for defenders in regards to how much bigger the maps are.

middle event is laggy and atm unplayable. but it always gets me excited because i know all the players from across the map will be there and usually it turns into an epic brawl of many roamers, havoc squads and blobs trying to finish it. this is due to the fact that it is “OP” in the best possible way. i mean, nobody wants other server to actually get it. also, since it is a three-way there is a tactical approach to this also. maybe the server that has the least structures wants to help the second server to finish the event (depending on number of players that each server has). or you can look at the server that has the least upgraded structures to get hit for fast splitting over the map and attacking multiple targets at once… at least, that’s what i do. all in all, fix lag, DO NOT nerf.

the map!!! wow, just beautiful. and i do not mean how it looks (also great). i mean the map design. i mean, i cant remember any part of the map that wasn’t carefully designed for fights. we are not talking here about usual open field gvg kind of meta. we are talking about awesome move, hit take the choke, turn around bomb, get up the stairs, refresh, bomb from above, jump on them, push through, hold the stairs etc etc etc etc!!! whoever designed the maps did a great job and i can already see i will enjoy wvw for a long time.

personally i like the new supply mechanics also. for me in a way, the supply that is available in structures atm is great to have. i have a feeling that it balances the buffed defense. i am not sure still if the balance is right. but i can see that buffed defense and structural upgrades could be countered with more supply availability. the problem i have is definitely with auto upgrades. great idea and i don’t personally think it should be changed. with the shrines and all, there is more then enough work for the people that enjoy scouting, but it will need balancing. in my feeling, cannons are up way too fast (maybe 1 hour?). need to take in account smaller groups here also. i still didn’t have opportunity to see blob defending upgraded keep against a blob attacking it, but i doubt that would be much fun due to defense being too strong imo. in short, attackers having more supply available vs defending buffs balance needs to be looked at still.

for end, an invitation to all the wvw players to actually try out new map to the point of knowing all the mechanics and the actual map layout before making a judgement. not appreciating the whole new world of strategy and tactics on many new levels of what wvw has to offer now, because you are used to the old thing is not the way to go. im having a blast, idk whats your problem:P

So, that’s John Corpening’s pseudonym.

This is sarcasm right, so hard to tell on the internet.

“deso pug commander”…
guys, don’t expect much from a deso player… PvE server never changes

I stopped reading after OP claimed 10-15 was a small havoc squad.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

I stopped reading after OP claimed 10-15 was a small havoc squad.

be honest now… u stopped reading when i said i think its great…

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

bloodletting wolf.2837:

I stopped reading after OP claimed 10-15 was a small havoc squad.

be honest now… u stopped reading when i said i think its great…

Not at all. I haven’t played the new bl very much and decided last week to take a week or two off to let some of the dust settle from the expansion. I plan on playing just on the bl when I get back so I can form an opinion.

@PetricaKerempuh /ponder… Well, the shrines don’t really bother me that much, I just think they’re in the wrong place and should actually be a part of the keep structure that gets built by players. The Oasis event …/no. Just no. That’s not what I’ve seen happen with it at all…ever. I think I remember it supposedly is a comeback mechanic, lol. No. You can’t use the Oasis because the 1st place server takes it. It’s really underwhelming anyways, a few bolts of lightning.. whoopdedoo… except I did get Fixer Upper (title) out of it, so I can’t really say it’s been a total waste. It’s sounds like there are actually people playing the BL in your matchup? Well, maybe a few, you’re ahead about 40k, right?

Edit: Designed for fights. ? Ehhh, you talking about the camps? the keep lords? or actually against other players? The roof of the fire keep maybe? The majority of this map is either one of or a combination of the following: choke, fall to your death, wasted space, poor visibility. Enlighten me, I just don’t get it. Seriously, I just don’t understand this map and I’ve been trying to.

The new maps need players.
Without them they can’t be fun.
My server has lost a ton of people,it is still locked for some reason,
and there’s hardly 10-20 players ever outside of EB.
So it gets worse day by day.
Soon people will log for a couple of hours to play in EB and then log off.
Oh wait.We already do that now.
The new map is great.
The policy on server population and transfers is questionable.
And the lack of players is killing WvW.
And the new map for that matter.

new maps can be quite fun, the forums and reddit are obviously full of the people not playing, however. the main issue with the new maps is the refusal of players to come onto them – whenever we get people on map we have a great time

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

bloodletting wolf.2837:

I stopped reading after OP claimed 10-15 was a small havoc squad.

be honest now… u stopped reading when i said i think its great…

Still his point is valid a 10-15 player group is not a small havoc group 3-5 are a small havoc group, 15 i will call a little zerg.

This map is probably made for each team controlling 1 keep on each map.
If you play like this you have less distance to travel and have probably more activity.

But maybe if the south doly could work this could help to play like this….. If Anet just patch the game…

Oh and please, this central event must be removed, I hate this one… You are forced to do it to protect your structures. We don’t do that event because it’s fun, or because it give you some fair advantage. No, when we do it (I see multiple times now where the event is not do at all) it’s just to protect ourself…

Nothing more boring to KT the map more easly because you have successfully killed dino…

Is it possible to win a wvw(=pvp) match without facing enemies?

YES, for shure and it’s common!

We remember nightcapping as a big advantage for ‘bad servers’ to win a match. I mean servers that lost most fights and structures in primetie when all borderlands were croweded. Nightcapping was about 8/24h or less.

Considering today those 20/24 empty new boderlands, the best strategy seems to be PvDoor for up to 20 hours circle raiding. Capturing all structures where is no human defense. Avoid getting in contact, just run away to an unscouted object or another BL. This makes attackers and defenders who search for PvP rage the game. Consequently doing the PvE Aspect and avoiding PvP … leads to victory in points. But this is not the game I like to play.

I remember a good time on Desolation where we had much fun defending keeps, supporting scouts, sieging and upgrading objects and a good TS-communication over all maps, EB included. And PetricaK had much more than only 15 on his tag because people liked what he did.

New BL could be fun, when there is a queue from all 3 opponents on them but the vote is done every day by most players not to join this.

Boa

I agree with the OP, especially about the shrines. The new maps are quite lovely. Would be great to have those bugs fixed though.

Yes, the new maps are lovely. Shame they are completely useless as wvw maps. Would have made a nice 3rd map next to Dry Top (which was probably what it was originally based on), but as an area to promote battles it’s awful.

My new pet hate is barricades, as they don’t show on the mini map and hence you are running down to the south of the map on the right and hit one, meaning you now have to run across to the other side of the map and hope the other side is open, or spend more time runnign around seeing and doing nothing (but the scenery is lovely…..).

10-15 is more than most servers get on at prime time now.

Fighting up stairs ends very quickly if the enemy has a couple mesmers or some necros, or even a couple of decent staff eles, or even just some decent players. Even a couple of well timed barriers will stop you in your tracks.

Barricades are very annoying for the 5 man squad- blobs just blast through them.

Way too much running around now. the main keep is so large you can hide an entire zerg in it and not even find them, as they can run around on one side and you’ll never catch them.

Since it’s a WvDoor paradise Deso must be very happy:-)

Barricades are very annoying for the 5 man squad- blobs just blast through them.

If you are solo, then you need to use some crystal bow or something to destroy them and still takes you a while. But if there at least 2 people, the best option is to put a normal ballista. The barricades go down really quickly and you could hide them for future use. For example , if you spawn from the east and you don’t have your spawn tower, you can build a ballista on that small tower where the sentry is. Most people will ignore your ballista and can be used again if they recap your tower or rebuilt the barricades.

…or you could do what everybody else is doing and jump climb up and jump over the barricades… you don’t have to destroy them, they’re only a speed bump.

about the middle event: we can discuss if the event itself is good. i could agree we could all use a big “circle” in the middle of the map and do a “king of the hill” kind of a thing. but the lasers are nicely balanced considering all the upgrades and supply available in keeps these days. i mean, with the new supply changes, we really need a strong and fast way to drain, if you are into that kind of a thing. laser cool! event… whatever, change it or leave it…

i can rally remember very few chokes or stairs where it is not possible to get to the enemy holding the top from some other side. maps are very well designed to give opportunity to really move tactically and to choose your approach. not many places are one way choke that require one side to push on disadvantage. check it out, learn it and see how it feels then.

i feel there is all this disappointment in wvw community from expecting much and getting little… but tbh in what i experienced in new maps, many good things. maybe not exactly what people were asking on forums, but basically the same thing with the famous/ infamous anet twist. depends how you look at it:P

Best way to play – go to EBG where the action is – crank up the heat or put feet in sand to think you are in deserted bl…..