Guild Wars 2

Whats going on with the, little, low population servers? Why are you both constantly not working together? Do both servers not see the major disadvantage each suffers when spreading your already thin resources further out out to fight each other? Has it not dawned on anyone that next week it will be the two of you against a 3rd high population server, then the week after that Borlis again?

Are the two of you sick of logging in to see that you have zero supply depots and one keep? until something changes, we are each others best shot at relieving pressure off each other. Until we gather more people we are stuck sitting at the bottom of the barrel eating the garbage that gets washed out of the Tier above us… together.

Let’s get some communication going and see if we can make a change. Otherwise you devoted homeland defenders who want to see your server grow and become something more will only watch people leave for something more.

Let’s do something.

When I was on DR, we would be fighting server x, and Kianeng would show up and attack us.

If we took a server x supply camp, sometimes Kianeng would take it right after, when there is a perfectly juicy server x supply camp on the way from their spawn.

This happened the other way around too! DR would attack Kianeng when server x had 50 people to fight!

I actually believe (because I see this on other servers) that when two servers are outnumbered, fear makes them attack the other lower server instead of the stronger one, because they are more likely to not be outnumbered and maybe win a fight. Yes, I’m calling the people who do that chickens… lol

Kianeng has been stepping up. The managed to get our Orb in Borlis Pass BG last night, while we were getting the orb and fortifying the etheron hills, they took half the map. We ended up getting the entire map back .

Mug.9403:

When I was on DR, we would be fighting server x, and Kianeng would show up and attack us.

If we took a server x supply camp, sometimes Kianeng would take it right after, when there is a perfectly juicy server x supply camp on the way from their spawn.

This happened the other way around too! DR would attack Kianeng when server x had 50 people to fight!

I actually believe (because I see this on other servers) that when two servers are outnumbered, fear makes them attack the other lower server instead of the stronger one, because they are more likely to not be outnumbered and maybe win a fight. Yes, I’m calling the people who do that chickens… lol

I’m not saying one server is more guilty than another. I personally have been part of a Kaineg borderlands invasion as part of DR and it drove me nuts. I agree that people are more willing to attack the weaker dog because they want an easy win. I also agree that its a bit chicken. But, who did it first, who earned it more, and who is to blame for X isn’t going to help anything. (I’m not implying the poster above me is doing this)

We need to start thinking. It’s the only thing we can do. Everything else is a result of that thought.

I think we need to help each other. Fact is, we are stuck at the bottom together, let’s get comfortable, adapt, and evolve.

DR seems to pretty much flip things then move on to something else liek they’re just farming karma.

they foguht my guild over the orb in kaeneng at asc bay spending i can’t imagine how much on siege(including at least 2 golems) only to abandon it right after.

at least kaineng defends things they take sometimes.

but yeah you guys should try working together during primetime.

dirtyklingon.2918:

DR seems to pretty much flip things then move on to something else liek they’re just farming karma.

they foguht my guild over the orb in kaeneng at asc bay spending i can’t imagine how much on siege(including at least 2 golems) only to abandon it right after.

at least kaineng defends things they take sometimes.

but yeah you guys should try working together during primetime.

Your opening statement is so true that it makes me want to spit. the current tactic with many players on DR is hit and move. nobody defends, nobody thinks about supply. what really jerks my chain is that there are guilds claiming keeps and not even sticking around to build them up. This is something that is going to need to be addressed by the server.

DR isn’t perfect. but there are names showing up that I see helping lead us into wins. With a little more effort and cohesion DR can be more than just a “low pop server”

The only time I’ve seen an organized Kaineng guild go into Devona’s borderlands to target them, is when Devona’s Rest goes out of their way to annoy Kaineng (e.g., after 1-2 hours of the 20 man Devona PUG train running through Kaineng borderlands flipping all of the supply camps).

I know the Kaineng PUGs usually stick to Kaineng as well, so I’m not sure which battlegrounds you’re referring to (I never see DR in EB, and rarely see them on the green side). My question to you is – in what borderlands are you talking about? I’m hoping you don’t mean “Why does Kaineng always target us whenever we run around in their borderlands?” If so, that should be self-explanatory. If you’re referring to your own borderlands, then it’s probably because your PUGs (or maybe a couple of mentally dull guilds) are doing dumb stuff in Kaineng’s backyard.

kaeneng had a zerg of about 25-40 in DR BL sunday nigth defending the tower directly outside their spawn and sometimes trying to take the camp north of it(that we’d take back as we were defending asc bay) and once or twice push on to asc bay southern outer wall.

DR had a zerg on the map of about 30-40 trying hard at asc bay from us.

i think the fact we pushed both side back repeatedly from what we wanted with a total defense force of 15 or so(11 guild members, some rando pugs from diffferent guilds) nullifies the idea that numbers > tactics at this tier.

half of my guys were on our lowbie alts as well, as low as level 4-6 and 15 in some cases. many of our 80s aren’t geared up yet.

micron.5369:

The only time I’ve seen an organized Kaineng guild go into Devona’s borderlands to target them, is when Devona’s Rest goes out of their way to annoy Kaineng (e.g., after 1-2 hours of the 20 man Devona PUG train running through Kaineng borderlands flipping all of the supply camps).

I know the Kaineng PUGs usually stick to Kaineng as well, so I’m not sure which battlegrounds you’re referring to (I never see DR in EB, and rarely see them on the green side). My question to you is – in what borderlands are you talking about? I’m hoping you don’t mean “Why does Kaineng always target us whenever we run around in their borderlands?” If so, that should be self-explanatory. If you’re referring to your own borderlands, then it’s probably because your PUGs (or maybe a couple of mentally dull guilds) are doing dumb stuff in Kaineng’s backyard.

My only concern right now is us fighting. Stop pointing fingers as to why there is an issue. It resolves nothing and only helps to defeat the purpose of this thread. both servers act a fool. I clearly stated above that we foolishly have invaded Kaineg in the past. and I personally have seen Kaineg on us as well. I’m not blaming either server, I’m loudly suggesting people wake the hell up.

A thread like this could help that situation. That is my goal. and if you are on either of these two servers, it should be your goal too.

Speno.1874:

Kianeng has been stepping up. The managed to get our Orb in Borlis Pass BG last night, while we were getting the orb and fortifying the etheron hills, they took half the map. We ended up getting the entire map back .

Yes, I am seeing a lot more red on the map. I think Kainegs lowbie population is starting to spill into WvW. Looking at the lowbie zones on DR this weekend, we are prolly a few more weeks in the make.

And Good for Kaineg! I’m not kidding. I constantly look at the map as a Us ( Kaineg, and DR) Vs. Them

If K can get the jump on Green, im for it, and I have and will help Kaineg over whoever our visitor is.

dirtyklingon.2918:

kaeneng had a zerg of about 25-40 in DR BL sunday nigth defending the tower directly outside their spawn and sometimes trying to take the camp north of it(that we’d take back as we were defending asc bay) and once or twice push on to asc bay southern outer wall.

DR had a zerg on the map of about 30-40 trying hard at asc bay from us.

i think the fact we pushed both side back repeatedly from what we wanted with a total defense force of 15 or so(11 guild members, some rando pugs from diffferent guilds) nullifies the idea that numbers > tactics at this tier.

half of my guys were on our lowbie alts as well, as low as level 4-6 and 15 in some cases. many of our 80s aren’t geared up yet.

Just imagine the unrest Borlis wold have suffered had both these servers leaned together on the one.

I’ve been trying to get DR to join forces against whatever green is for the week. Then i see a whole group of people every friday at reset planning a raid on DR. Nothing I say changes their minds so i just gave up trying…

Thadren Calder.1397:

I’ve been trying to get DR to join forces against whatever green is for the week. Then i see a whole group of people every friday at reset planning a raid on DR. Nothing I say changes their minds so i just gave up trying…

sometimes a zerg cant hear one person over the hum of its collective mind chattering away at owning a supply camp.

I’m just getting started.

eh my guild might’ve spent less on siege and upgrades defending that keep/orb. that’s all.

we’re just a normal sized social casual pvx guild with some regular wvwers and and people who like doing wvw every couple nights.

i really doubt capping that keep earlier would’ve made a difference to our server as a whole.

I’m not talking about one keep. I’m talking about a mindset.

This happens to a lot of the match ups where Red and Blue do not work together and are content to just let green stomp them over and over.

With BP’s fight against Northern Shiverpeaks and Anvil Rock, Anvil Rock would consistently attack us instead of Northern Shiverpeaks. If not, they would go out of their way to weaken our forces, only to allow Northern Shiverpeaks to take over their work and trounce us after. It didn’t make any sense.

@Pictures : The same could be said about BP, when we were fighting for the orb and you would attack our keep during that time.

It’s a war, everything happens, you can’t control everyone.

The weird thing tho, is we don’t seems to have this issue with Fergusson. Didn’t see anything about weak server attacking each other. But we don’t ally ether.

Sumwun.3846:

Are the two of you sick of logging in to see that you have zero supply depots and one keep?

Is BP tired of taking all our supply depots and keeps while we’re not online to defend them?

Tell you what. You try to get your server to work together to stay out of our zones for 24 hours, then you’ll understand the difficulty of what you’re suggesting.

There have been talks between DR and Kaineng for weeks about working together, but the reality is you can’t get an entire server to get on board. If half the guilds agree not to attack each other and the other half go into each other’s borderlands, capture supply camps and kill each other, a truce doesn’t really work.

I’ll tell you what. I will keep trying. Perhaps it won’t work as I hope, but I will not stick my tail between my legs and look for other reasons to point my finger at. Hows about everyone just sit and pout and think of excuses as to why we lose and never consider what can be done to improve. that’s far easier.

Let’s post on the forums about how ANet sucks because nobody can figure out how to do something without someone else doing it for them.

I’m not so niave as to believe that this can be done overnight. I’m sure you put your hardest effort into it for a week.

“It won’t work” will never work.
Truce is a stupid word. I’m not looking for that either. I’m looking for common sense.

Sheep don’t lead.

dirtyklingon.2918:

kaeneng had a zerg of about 25-40 in DR BL sunday nigth defending the tower directly outside their spawn and sometimes trying to take the camp north of it(that we’d take back as we were defending asc bay) and once or twice push on to asc bay southern outer wall.

DR had a zerg on the map of about 30-40 trying hard at asc bay from us.

i think the fact we pushed both side back repeatedly from what we wanted with a total defense force of 15 or so(11 guild members, some rando pugs from diffferent guilds) nullifies the idea that numbers > tactics at this tier.

half of my guys were on our lowbie alts as well, as low as level 4-6 and 15 in some cases. many of our 80s aren’t geared up yet.

Your group of 15 low level players wiped 80 players at the same time? -Whistles impressively-

I can’t understand why out of the 21 servers that launched in NA on release day, your server is dead last. It seems highly unfair that with your superior tactics you’d get stuck down here in the bottom tier with us lower population expansion servers.

And then no one even respects all your hard work. You keep telling them how good you are, every day, over and over again on the forums. Then you back it up by taking back the whole map during the day from noon to 8:00 when no one’s on to defend it. That should show people, but no. Every night they log and THIS keeps happening (see screenshot).

Don’t worry though brother. It doesn’t matter what everyone else thinks. At least you and I know how awesome you are.

I’m pulling for you!
Fub

Kardiamond.6952:

It’s a war, everything happens, you can’t control everyone.

This is what I was getting at. Just like DR can’t stop the karma train that runs through all of the supply depots in Kaineng every night, other servers have limited power to prevent the unguilded PUGs from running around and taking points that have no strategic significance. Listen, Kaineng and DR are medium pop servers (well, at least Kaineng is – take out the thousands of bots and its probably a low pop server). Most of the folks joining the server don’t have any friends who play the game, which makes things even more challenging to organize. It’s not like HoD, or ET where > 80% are in the same guild or alliance. Most of the folks run around in 1-2 person guilds and have NO interest in joining an alliance or bigger guild – they just want the pew pew.

Are the two of you sick of logging in to see that you have zero supply depots and one keep?

I don’t really care. I can only control what occurs when I’m online. When I’m online and my guild is taking and holding what we want, that’s a victory for me. I suppose I’m in the minority in saying that I can care less what the total score is.

I’ll tell you what. I will keep trying. ?

If you are serious and are part of a bigger DR guild, I would advise you to get in touch with some of the bigger Kaineng guilds and forming a “truce” at the guild level. As mentioned though, this will do little to alleviate the aforementioned issues.

….stuff

Don’t waste your time with him Fubuki. He reminds me of Khadaffy Janjalani — He wins a few battles in areas that are not capable of putting up much resistance, and then all of the sudden thinks he is a great tactician who feels the need to pass his sound military advice and guidance to others.

Sumwun.3846:

I’ll tell you what. I will keep trying. Perhaps it won’t work as I hope, but I will not stick my tail between my legs and look for other reasons to point my finger at. Hows about everyone just sit and pout and think of excuses as to why we lose and never consider what can be done to improve. that’s far easier.

Let’s post on the forums about how ANet sucks because nobody can figure out how to do something without someone else doing it for them.

I’m not so niave as to believe that this can be done overnight. I’m sure you put your hardest effort into it for a week.

“It won’t work” will never work.
Truce is a stupid word. I’m not looking for that either. I’m looking for common sense.

Sheep don’t lead.

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

My guild initiated the idea of working together on these forums nearly 4 weeks ago. I know Delarme from AI has done the same.

We’ve coordinated with DR on raids against FC and Northern Shiverpeaks in the past. We rarely attack DR unless they attack us first, or are in our borderlands. I even have a clip of us letting DR run by the other night in the video I posted recently because it didn’t do either of us any good to attack each other at that particular moment.

In that time we’ve seen several DR guilds come and go. FIST, gone. PTX, gone. I don’t even know anyone on DR any more, and you’re in our back yard every day. Now you want to work together? Where have you been for the last month?

Here’s a screenshot (below) of my alliances war efforts in WvW two nights ago. Notice the red supply camp in DR BL? That was a pug. Most of us realize it doesn’t make any sense to attack each other.

Who exactly do you see pouting, pointing fingers or complaining about ANet? It certainly isn’t me. I’m having a blast.

Sorry you’re not having fun. Being insulting to people though… not really going to help.
- Fub the Sheep

When I left DR, it had an “exp group” that flipped camps. It was us (4 – 7 people) and them in eternal with the outmanned debuff night after night…

There were fights about who would lead the exp supply camp group. I’m not making this up! We’ve made two good decisions leaving servers as a guild, both were because of game design.

I wish both Kianeng and DR luck, whoever they have to fight is truly the worst of the worst… lol … I don’t think they can really comprehend what it’s like there… You can move up with population… which you’d have if they made some of the changes I requested a while back.

LOL! “Sheep don’t lead.” Sheep don’t play war games, either son.

I don’t know about you. Sounds like you jumped ship from Devona’s and came over to Kaineng. Why didn’t you stay there if you want an alliance with them? The solution to your perceived “problem” isn’t to envision a world where every player from the “weaker” world holds hands with the other weak players and become strong together. That’s dreams of Utopia nonsense! That’s pure silliness! The sooner you get that idea out of your system, the better off you’ll be.

Common sense says, in just about any situation you can think of, that the most preferable path is the path of least resistance and highest reward. Wouldn’t common sense tell you that the path of least resistance would be the players of your own team color? And that taking camps here and there for points would be far more rewarding than sitting there being upset about how the little picture of the world you had in your head is not what you’re seeing?

Look here, man. I’m on Kaineng. We’re the smallest server in the game. When I started playing in WvW a few weeks ago (I didn’t even know it was there for 30 levels) we weren’t even able to figure out how to capture a supply camp. People were too busy crying about how hard life was, and how life was unfair.

Since then, we’ve moved from having no points to being the server in 2nd place. We did that without holding hands with Devona’s. Matter of fact, we stomped them into the ground and used them as a foothold to move up. That’s the way the game works, son!

This is a war game! The objective of the game is to kill everybody and reign supreme! Sure, you can have alliances in war, but what is the point of that when there are only 3 armies on the map?

I have never held a grudge against blue for skipping over green to come take our stuff instead. We are the weaker target. That’s the smart move. That’s the path of least resistance and highest reward. THAT’S common sense. For me, it throws a curve ball into the game and makes it more challenging. More enjoyable. The other day we had conquered the north end of Kaineng Borderlands and were going to push further into green when Devona’s jacked a supply camp. Then Godsword. I love that! We don’t need to change that. It creates rivalry, a sense of urgency, most of all FUN! Our objective here is not establish cease fire agreements and practice our diplomacy skills, buddy. It’s to figure out ways to win, one victory at a time.

Until the smaller, less organized/experienced servers develop the numbers to fight on all four maps at the same time, you’re going to have to settle for capping small objectives and losing them to opportunists looking to experience the joy of conquest. I find fun in that. I don’t understand why so many others don’t seem to find the fun in that, too.

@Fubuki: Our guild doesn’t play the game to win, we play it for the good fights where the odds are against us and we are pushed to our limits. Winning the scoreboard is an added bonus but I don’t think its the big victory that any of us play for in HoM. Its the things that happen during that week that makes us who we are, not some score count at the end of the week. In fact, our guild has the best showing when we are being destroyed in WvW, not when we are winning.

I can’t speak for the actions of BP as a server, only from from my experiences.

We just started to get organized as a server and have had our share of large guild exodus. I wouldn’t judge the experiences of one small guild based on the actions of our entire server.

With that said, could you guys please double team us already and give us a challenge so we can have two out of two weeks of challenges instead of just one? Quite frankly it sucks

EDIT:

Clarified wording to be more clear that winning is not our first priority.

Sundial,

What these kids don’t understand is that on a map with 3 teams, those that form alliances will inevitably push one of themselves to the “evil #1” spot. My only hope is that the developers of this game ignore those players who see this war game as an opportunity to get together, hold hands and chat, and instead cater to those like yourself who enjoy game for what it is. We need more folks like you playing on the smaller servers.

Read the signature, son.

Mighteous.9281:

LOL! “Sheep don’t lead.” Sheep don’t play war games, either son.

I don’t know about you. Sounds like you jumped ship from Devona’s and came over to Kaineng.

They don’t? Check the zergs, son. Sheep are everywhere. I’m not from Kaineg. so you are right, you don’t know me.

Sundial, I have no issues with BP. I think you guys are a fun opponent to fight against. Just picking on klingon a little because he’s always boasting. He follows my youtube channel and blog so I’m hoping we’re cool like that. If not, then I’ll just have to kill him and turn him into a minion. Either way, win / win for everyone!

I’m just glad Mighteous and Klingon don’t play together on the server. That would be seriously overpowered.

As for giving you guys a challenge, we’re giving it all she’s got capt’.

We face the same issue you have. Guilds come, guilds go. We had a rather huge guild transfer to Kaineng this week, which is why we’re able to have a presence in two zones at once sometimes. It’s been a good week on Kaineng. I have it on good authority they’re leaving soon, so… we’ll see where we end up next week.

I’m sure we’ll all face each other again.

Fubuki.7162:

Sumwun.3846:

I’ll tell you what. I will keep trying. Perhaps it won’t work as I hope, but I will not stick my tail between my legs and look for other reasons to point my finger at. Hows about everyone just sit and pout and think of excuses as to why we lose and never consider what can be done to improve. that’s far easier.

Let’s post on the forums about how ANet sucks because nobody can figure out how to do something without someone else doing it for them.

I’m not so niave as to believe that this can be done overnight. I’m sure you put your hardest effort into it for a week.

“It won’t work” will never work.
Truce is a stupid word. I’m not looking for that either. I’m looking for common sense.

Sheep don’t lead.

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

My guild initiated the idea of working together on these forums nearly 4 weeks ago. I know Delarme from AI has done the same.

We’ve coordinated with DR on raids against FC and Northern Shiverpeaks in the past. We rarely attack DR unless they attack us first, or are in our borderlands. I even have a clip of us letting DR run by the other night in the video I posted recently because it didn’t do either of us any good to attack each other at that particular moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbtchDAhZfU

In that time we’ve seen several DR guilds come and go. FIST, gone. PTX, gone. I don’t even know anyone on DR any more, and you’re in our back yard every day. Now you want to work together? Where have you been for the last month?

Here’s a screenshot (below) of my alliances war efforts in WvW two nights ago. Notice the red supply camp in DR BL? That was a pug. Most of us realize it doesn’t make any sense to attack each other.

Who exactly do you see pouting, pointing fingers or complaining about ANet? It certainly isn’t me. I’m having a blast.

Sorry you’re not having fun. Being insulting to people though… not really going to help.
- Fub the Sheep

Leave this thread and look. There are lots of people complaining about ANet for this or that.. What ANet needs to do because nobody can figure things out on their own. Or WvW is broken because something doesn’t work to their advantage.

I wasn’t here 4 weeks ago. I am here now. and 4 weeks ago I may have been wanting to help you. 4 weeks later here I am trying to do something like you and because it didnt work for you… I guess it shouldn’t work for anyone.

I feel almost like; because you couldn’t do it, you would want anyone else who tries to fail. It’s a bad idea now, but I bet you thought yourself a genius when you were trying.

What I don’t understand is if you were trying, why come at me like I’m trying to cause more problems. I never said I am not having fun. I had some great fun this weekend.

I fully understand how hard it is to herd the pugs and randoms and the fools looking to be hero’s in useless situations. and to be 100% honest, I think i have a more realistic Idea of how hard it will be than you did. All I am getting from you is a “give up” vibe.

Thanks for all your input. It’s been very helpful.

Cool Fubuki, just to be clear you guys have been putting up a great fight this week considering your population.

I hope you continue to get more transfers from overcrowded servers and the bracket wont be in the silly state it is right now.

Sumwun,

I’m not saying give up. I’m saying be the change you want to see in the world.

We’re already doing what you are requesting. DR however doesn’t seem to be on the same page. Show us you can make a change. I know you can do it.

Cheers,
Fub

BP – bragging about being in the bottom matchup against the two red headed stepchild servers is pretty ripe. I’ll bet you guys take a vacation during your normal matchup against Fergs and whoever else is in that tier.

DR – sending raiding parties large enough to cap towers and push out of their spawn to the north side of Kaineng BL is seriously lolz. I have tracked these guys several times picking off the stragglers and it’s just absolutely baffling how these guys would rather keep capping PvE type targets than fight one lone thief. Do you guys even want to PvP? Running more than 20+ people and doing nothing but avoiding even the smallest of skirmishes is just bizarre. We’ll keep farming you guys when we can catch you – can you just put up a bit more of a fight, please?

This week has been very entertaining. Kaineng may actually move up from last place.

i’m always up for sabre rattling fubuki. no harm meant, no harm taken.

i don’;t follow your yt chan, just tumblr. i figure i should know thine enemy. plus us bottom bracket people should show each other some love. i did like your video from the weekend, idk if i went further now that i think about it, but i do like to show small time youtubers like us love, my guildies have some good videos you might wanna check out and pass around to increase the level of play down here.

and that’s what i’m hoping to do with my boasting/saber rattling. inspire some people to up the level of the game down here.

don’t take it the wrong way. this is the best match borlis pass/HoM has had since the dailies.

As a Devona’s Rest player I was actually part of a joint operation with Kaineng to fight Borlis pass (was a couple weeks ago I think). It actually worked out all right with Kaineng since it seemed to be the Devona’s Rest spearhead Borlis decided to defend against. Unfortunately our players started losing steam when we couldn’t take the first tower, and at that point Borlis was able to fend both of our servers off.

Partly I blame lack of communication, even within our own server (was hard to constantly spam our own Borderlands calling for more hands at the joint fight). I also think the lack of immediate rewards is what caused a lot of our attackers to just leave when they realized they weren’t achieving much.

I am a veteran Planetside player (Huzzah PS 2!), and we also had the 1v1v1 match up. It was “designed” that way in hopes the two weaker empires teamed up against the strongest. That happened maybe once a month. The rest of the time the two more evenly matched but smaller empires fought each other while the larger empire dominated everything. SoE tried putting in incentives to boost population but in the end was ineffective.

OP – I agree with you entirely. After seeing the average WvW player though I just don’t think we have the proper drive, ambition, or mindset to actually pull that off consistently.

that was against NSP.

Problem is this week I had to call off attempting the operation due to our scores being so close, as we were focused on taking second place on thursday.

Anet needs to fix the scoring system so going after the winning server nets you more points than fighting over second and third. The way scores are setup, it makes no sense to attack a server that has already ‘won’ in score, but to attack the other server so they cant beat you.

Really the ball is in anets court, right now there is no real advantage to teaming up.

Joint operations with DR will only happen if its both advantagous to our positions or in a situation where the day is a lame duck day, where no server is going to pass another before reset so we want to make some fun, or prove a point.

Draygo.9473:

that was against NSP.

Problem is this week I had to call off attempting the operation due to our scores being so close, as we were focused on taking second place on thursday.

Anet needs to fix the scoring system so going after the winning server nets you more points than fighting over second and third. The way scores are setup, it makes no sense to attack a server that has already ‘won’ in score, but to attack the other server so they cant beat you.

Really the ball is in anets court, right now there is no real advantage to teaming up.

Joint operations with DR will only happen if its both advantagous to our positions or in a situation where the day is a lame duck day, where no server is going to pass another before reset so we want to make some fun, or prove a point.

Quoted For Truth, my friend, quoted for truth.

@ Drak – OP – I agree with you entirely. After seeing the average WvW player though I just don’t think we have the proper drive, ambition, or mindset to actually pull that off consistently.

I agree that it would be near impossible to get people to do something like this. And much to the dismay of some of the all knowing posters in this tread, I never imaged any type of an all or nothing type of .. thought pattern. nor was I seeking an alliance.

I’m simply suggesting that when green is feeding us our own kitten let’s not go kick the other guy also chewing away at his own sphincter. I know, it’s radical.

It starts with talking about it. and reaching out and finding like minded people. Sadly this thread brought out more puffy chested loud people than others who see where I am coming from.

I know you cant stop the people who just want to run and cap, and farm exp. Sometimes those people get taught their own way. There are some talks happening on DR, and I am unsure of how it will all shake out. I’ll continue trying. it doesn’t happen over night. or even over the course of months if he doors don’t stop spinning.

Anyhow thanks man. I appreciate it.

Any updates on the score?

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

@Davinna Thank you for the scoring update, I love see Kaineng progress.

Sumwun.3846:

After seeing the average WvW player though I just don’t think we have the proper drive, ambition, or mindset to actually pull that off consistently.

And much to the dismay of some of the all knowing posters in this tread…

..and reaching out and finding like minded people. Sadly this thread brought out more puffy chested loud people than others who see where I am coming from.

Easy tiger.

Most of the thread is agreeing with what you’re saying, and I think you’re too upset about the state of WvW on DR to realize it. Even when someone agrees with you you get defensive and sling insults. That was not our intent.

In my initial reply I told you try to get your server to stay out of Kaineng. The point was to illustrate that what you’re wanting is virtually impossible. If you’re goal is to get two entire servers to get on board with a plan to work together, you’re setting yourself up for failure. You can’t control what anyone else does. You can only affect yourself and try to lead by example, and until you get DR on board with your ideas, you need to completely forget about what’s going on with Kaineng.

I feel in your frustration, you’ve forgotten a few important details:

1) BP has more players than DR and Kaineng combined. They can be in all 4 zones at once. We can’t. And Kaineng is losing a HUGE guild this weekend from what I hear so it’s going to be even worse next week when we both face FC (who’s much stronger than BP). Teaming up doesn’t guarantee either one of us a victory over the 3rd server. One of us are still going to be in last place, and that brings me to my next point.

2) Kaineng and DR are enemies. Our job is to beat you. While sometimes it makes sense to work together strategically, we are not allies. Usually I ignore DR, but when you enter KBL you’re Kill On Sight. Sometimes I even attack one of you just because I don’t like the hat you’re wearing that day.

3) Most importantly, remember, this is just a game. Don’t let it get to you. It’s supposed to be entertainment, an escape from real life problems.

I haven’t played much this week because my father was in the hospital. They actually moved him across the state to a hospital not far from here so I’ve been able to go visit him. The time away from the computer in the evenings is a good “reset” from the silly stuff we sometimes let ourselves get sucked into when we play these games.

He’s currently on his way back home and doing well, so there’s a much higher chance you’ll be able to kill me more often in the evenings now. I’m the good looking, well dressed shrubbery seen here:

http://kaineng.tumblr.com/post/33229859125/fubuki-2-0-ive-been-having-a-lot-of-fun-on-my

Stay out of Kaineng BL. Spread the word.

Fub

Fubuki.7162:

Sumwun.3846:

After seeing the average WvW player though I just don’t think we have the proper drive, ambition, or mindset to actually pull that off consistently.

And much to the dismay of some of the all knowing posters in this tread…

..and reaching out and finding like minded people. Sadly this thread brought out more puffy chested loud people than others who see where I am coming from.

Easy tiger.

Most of the thread is agreeing with what you’re saying, and I think you’re too upset about the state of WvW on DR to realize it. Even when someone agrees with you you get defensive and sling insults. That was not our intent.

In my initial reply I told you try to get your server to stay out of Kaineng. The point was to illustrate that what you’re wanting is virtually impossible. If you’re goal is to get two entire servers to get on board with a plan to work together, you’re setting yourself up for failure. You can’t control what anyone else does. You can only affect yourself and try to lead by example, and until you get DR on board with your ideas, you need to completely forget about what’s going on with Kaineng.

I feel in your frustration, you’ve forgotten a few important details:

1) BP has more players than DR and Kaineng combined. They can be in all 4 zones at once. We can’t. And Kaineng is losing a HUGE guild this weekend from what I hear so it’s going to be even worse next week when we both face FC (who’s much stronger than BP). Teaming up doesn’t guarantee either one of us a victory over the 3rd server. One of us are still going to be in last place, and that brings me to my next point.

2) Kaineng and DR are enemies. Our job is to beat you. While sometimes it makes sense to work together strategically, we are not allies. Usually I ignore DR, but when you enter KBL you’re Kill On Sight. Sometimes I even attack one of you just because I don’t like the hat you’re wearing that day.

3) Most importantly, remember, this is just a game. Don’t let it get to you. It’s supposed to be entertainment, an escape from real life problems.

I haven’t played much this week because my father was in the hospital. They actually moved him across the state to a hospital not far from here so I’ve been able to go visit him. The time away from the computer in the evenings is a good “reset” from the silly stuff we sometimes let ourselves get sucked into when we play these games.

He’s currently on his way back home and doing well, so there’s a much higher chance you’ll be able to kill me more often in the evenings now. I’m the good looking, well dressed shrubbery seen here:

http://kaineng.tumblr.com/post/33229859125/fubuki-2-0-ive-been-having-a-lot-of-fun-on-my

Stay out of Kaineng BL. Spread the word.

Fub

relax polymath.

1. I understand the populations. I’m not stupid. I’m not looking for a hand holding hug fest.

2. I understand war. I’m not stupid. I’m not looking for a hand holding hug fest.

3. I know it’s a game. people annoy me, not the game. I wasn’t looking for a hand holding hug fest.

I don’t know what to tell you.

My interactions with you leave me feeling like.

1. you are a know it all.
2. you like to talk about yourself
3. you are probably a very smart person IRL. I think this because you seem to only pay a small attention to what I said and assumed in the rest of it, without actually looking for some clarification.
4. you like to tell people things far too much.
5. I also get a hint that you think anything negative I said in here was pointed to you.

I came here looking to to see if pressure could be relieved for both servers. You began dismissing that immediately. so in my eyes, you are the part of the very problem you said exists that makes this not work.

so hey!! good for you, you win!

I know you tried to joke with me near the end, but I’ve lost any interest in being whimsical with you.

Thanks again for all your support, help and positive reinforcement.

I’m overjoyed I got to meet you.

Sumwun the Tiger.

I have not said anything rude or condescending to you in any one of my posts, yet you’ve done quite the contrary in each of yours. You may in fact be the most sensitive person I’ve seen on a gaming forum. No one can help you achieve any goal if you’re going to be too thin skinned to even discuss them without resorting to insults the first time someone says something contrary to your opinion.

Thank you however for your unsolicited of opinion of me. Coming from you, it means a lot.

Good luck on your efforts.