Guild Wars 2

Devona’s Rest once the last server of North America now after 13 week win streak we are in 5th tier. We are having some challenge finally in T5 but we lack some coverage specially around 1am to 11am. We have great people and mature player base and we love challenge. We are a really competitive server and we look for both individuals and guilds in same perspective to join us in our cause to get Devona to Tier 1. Our characteristic as server is to never give up and if you have same kind of mentality stubborn and persistent we would be happy to see you. We learn from our mistakes and we believe in constant growth. We have 2 GW2 records first one is 13 week win streak and 2nd is winning a week with highest points of all weeks and match ups ever recorded. If you have any questions or just wanna chat you can always whisper me.

We need more commanders and guilds also.

Hrmm, its true that DR is the smallest server with the lowest coverage in tier 5 and they could use some more players (in Oceanic timezone particularly) but I’m not sure why you guys want to keep moving up the ranking. I would really like to play a DR that spends a couple of weeks acclimatizing to tier 5 scale warfare and hopefully picks up some more players to keep the matchup exciting throughout the day. Once you guys start getting our siege placement down and learn to adapt to our counter zerg, this bracket could be pretty amazing.

Glicko rating is strongly correlated to WvW population and timezone coverage. Around tier 4, all servers have pretty active domestic timezone coverage and a little off peak. Above that its all about closing gaps in off peak coverage.

It has been traditionally very difficult to convince Oceanic, Asia and European guilds to transfer to a server that does not a significant Oceanic, Asia and European community respectively. Many people who play WvW also want to do stuff outside WvW. They want to run dungeons, do the holiday events etc and its just more fun when theres a load of people to party up with in your timezone.

I think the desire for players to make rank is one of the most harmful things in WvW right now. More people should be looking to get into fair matches since those are the most fun for all players in the bracket.

Which tier you go to depends on the kind of game you like to play. The low tier servers have low population and coverage so the style of gameplay is much more grounded in guerilla warfare, small team play and stealth capture. In the higher tiers its much more grounded in siege deadlocked keep/tower warfare round the clock because they have the numbers and coverage to sustain larger scale battles throughout the day. There is much less scope for ninja play and 5 on 5s.

Its a shame that so many players keep treating low tier servers as pet projects to rise through the rankings for completely arbitrary purposes. Many of these servers would have an extremely healthy small team warfare meta going on, if it weren’t for all the bracket stacking.

I personally love ninja plays and small team open field combat. I find siege deadlocked keep warfare exhausting and stressful where you absolutely have to control x supply camps and defend x tower for 5 hours straight against a relentless onslaught of 40 imbeciles autoattacking your gate down.

Tiers are not good indicators of ability or progress. They are good indicators of population and coverage. Players should go to the bigger servers if they want to play large scale battles round the clock against equally big servers.

Players should go to smaller servers for creative small team plays and stealth capture against equally small servers.

I think that sorting servers by population and timezone coverage and giving players more information about the population and timezone coverage of a server, will help them make the right choice. Match making should be between servers of similar size with some way to server vote to get into matchups with slightly bigger or smaller servers for people that want to play asymetric (guerilla) warfare.

Whether you go large scale or small scale, you are honing completely different sets of skills. Sometimes its nice to test them against each other, but not when PPT is 0/0/695 and everyone quits out of boredom.

On Mags we loved playing Dragonbrand despite most of their players being in an opposite timezone but we were quite evenly matched in population. You learn a whole new way to play the game. Highly offensive during some parts of the day and massively defensive in others.

It seems like us guys over at Kaineng kept you guys down and vice versa and now that we’re not competing against each other we’re both able to rise pretty quick. It’s kind of a shame the scoring kept both of us so low when we’re more competitive than the servers above us. I wouldn’t be surprised if we match up again at T5.

Besetment.9187:

Hrmm, its true that DR is the smallest server with the lowest coverage in tier 5 and they could use some more players (in Oceanic timezone particularly) but I’m not sure why you guys want to keep moving up the ranking. Glicko rating is strongly correlated to WvW population and timezone coverage. Around tier 4, all servers have pretty active domestic timezone coverage and a little off peak. Above that its all about closing gaps in off peak coverage.

It has been traditionally very difficult to convince Oceanic, Asia and European guilds to transfer to a server that does not a significant Oceanic, Asia and European community respectively. Many people who play WvW also want to do stuff outside WvW. They want to run dungeons, do the holiday events etc and its just more fun when theres a load of people to party up with in your timezone.

I think the desire for players to make rank is one of the most harmful things in WvW right now. More people should be looking to get into fair matches since those are the most fun for all players in the bracket.

Which tier you go to depends on the kind of game you like to play. The low tier servers have low population and coverage so the style of gameplay is much more grounded in guerilla warfare, small team play and stealth capture. In the higher tiers its much more grounded in siege deadlocked keep/tower warfare round the clock because they have the numbers and coverage to sustain larger scale battles throughout the day. There is much less scope for ninja play and 5 on 5s.

Its a shame that so many players keep treating low tier servers as pet projects to rise through the rankings for completely arbitrary purposes. Many of these servers would have an extremely healthy small team warfare meta going on, if it weren’t for all the bracket stacking.

I personally love ninja plays and small team open field combat. I find siege deadlocked keep warfare exhausting and stressful where you absolutely have to control x supply camps and defend x tower for 5 hours straight against a relentless onslaught of 40 imbeciles autoattacking your gate down.

Tiers are not good indicators of ability or progress. They are good indicators of population and coverage. Players should go to the bigger servers if they want to play large scale battles round the clock against equally big servers.

Players should go to smaller servers for creative small team plays and stealth capture against equally small servers.

I think that sorting servers by population and timezone coverage and giving players more information about the population and timezone coverage of a server, will help them make the right choice. Match making should be between servers of similar size with some way to server vote to get into matchups with slightly bigger or smaller servers for people that want to play asymetric (guerilla) warfare.

Whether you go large scale or small scale, you are honing completely different sets of skills. Sometimes its nice to test them against each other, but not when PPT is 0/0/695 and everyone quits out of boredom.

sorry but this is one of the best post I’ve seen in these forums full stop
I do wish DR the best though I think they need a few more to equalize out in T5

There is no real meaning to moving up the ranking. If you think hitting tier 5 was a brick wall, tier 4 will be like a sledgehammer to the face, tier 3 a spiraling abyss of tedium and despair and tier 2 a meat grinder against impossible odds at worst and constantly deadlocked at best. I haven’t been to tier 1 yet, and I’m not sure I want to. There’s no meaning to higher tiers, if you are enjoying yourself and having good fights that’s really all that matters.

Rebel just laid a whole lot of truth down in here. That post should be mandatory reading for WvW players.

Besetment.9187:

Hrmm, its true that DR is the smallest server with the lowest coverage in tier 5 and they could use some more players (in Oceanic timezone particularly) but I’m not sure why you guys want to keep moving up the ranking. I would really like to play a DR that spends a couple of weeks acclimatizing to tier 5 scale warfare and hopefully picks up some more players to keep the matchup exciting throughout the day. Once you guys start getting our siege placement down and learn to adapt to our counter zerg, this bracket could be pretty amazing.

Glicko rating is strongly correlated to WvW population and timezone coverage. Around tier 4, all servers have pretty active domestic timezone coverage and a little off peak. Above that its all about closing gaps in off peak coverage.

It has been traditionally very difficult to convince Oceanic, Asia and European guilds to transfer to a server that does not a significant Oceanic, Asia and European community respectively. Many people who play WvW also want to do stuff outside WvW. They want to run dungeons, do the holiday events etc and its just more fun when theres a load of people to party up with in your timezone.

I think the desire for players to make rank is one of the most harmful things in WvW right now. More people should be looking to get into fair matches since those are the most fun for all players in the bracket.

Which tier you go to depends on the kind of game you like to play. The low tier servers have low population and coverage so the style of gameplay is much more grounded in guerilla warfare, small team play and stealth capture. In the higher tiers its much more grounded in siege deadlocked keep/tower warfare round the clock because they have the numbers and coverage to sustain larger scale battles throughout the day. There is much less scope for ninja play and 5 on 5s.

Its a shame that so many players keep treating low tier servers as pet projects to rise through the rankings for completely arbitrary purposes. Many of these servers would have an extremely healthy small team warfare meta going on, if it weren’t for all the bracket stacking.

I personally love ninja plays and small team open field combat. I find siege deadlocked keep warfare exhausting and stressful where you absolutely have to control x supply camps and defend x tower for 5 hours straight against a relentless onslaught of 40 imbeciles autoattacking your gate down.

Tiers are not good indicators of ability or progress. They are good indicators of population and coverage. Players should go to the bigger servers if they want to play large scale battles round the clock against equally big servers.

Players should go to smaller servers for creative small team plays and stealth capture against equally small servers.

I think that sorting servers by population and timezone coverage and giving players more information about the population and timezone coverage of a server, will help them make the right choice. Match making should be between servers of similar size with some way to server vote to get into matchups with slightly bigger or smaller servers for people that want to play asymetric (guerilla) warfare.

Whether you go large scale or small scale, you are honing completely different sets of skills. Sometimes its nice to test them against each other, but not when PPT is 0/0/695 and everyone quits out of boredom.

On Mags we loved playing Dragonbrand despite most of their players being in an opposite timezone but we were quite evenly matched in population. You learn a whole new way to play the game. Highly offensive during some parts of the day and massively defensive in others.

Fantastic post. Nothing but truth. I would rather learn to do more with less than get more and still not know what to do with it. Rushing to the top will not be a good thing.

Besetment’s post pretty much nailed it for me. I’ve been on DR since launch but I really don’t see the point of racing to Tier 1, or to be honest, even particularly striving for it. I play WvW for the simple enjoyment of aggressively competing in an environment where strategy and tactics, both large scale and small team, mean as much or more than simple head-banging 1v1 proficiency, and for that all I need is to be in a reasonably balanced tier. I want to win, and I want to win against competent competition, but I have sufficient validation elsewhere in my life that it doesn’t matter a lot to me which WvW tier I happen to do that in. I want to constantly get better, but I don’t need to constantly get bigger … they aren’t necessarily the same.

Uh, nothing against DR or Kaining, but I don’t think it was the scoring system or you two fighting each other that kept you down.

Both servers had severe population problems. Both servers had this issue addressed. Congrats to both, wish you both success.

Take your time moving up the ladder though. Learn from each tier as you go. It only gets tougher.

Cactus.2710:

Besetment’s post pretty much nailed it for me. I’ve been on DR since launch but I really don’t see the point of racing to Tier 1, or to be honest, even particularly striving for it. I play WvW for the simple enjoyment of aggressively competing in an environment where strategy and tactics, both large scale and small team, mean as much or more than simple head-banging 1v1 proficiency, and for that all I need is to be in a reasonably balanced tier. I want to win, and I want to win against competent competition, but I have sufficient validation elsewhere in my life that it doesn’t matter a lot to me which WvW tier I happen to do that in. I want to constantly get better, but I don’t need to constantly get bigger … they aren’t necessarily the same.

Super Post Cactus. I think a lot of DR want’s this as well. I think that, occasionally, the two linesyou have mentioned above are often considered one and the same. I agree this is not the case, especially after reading some of Mag’s and T5+ level players talk about tiers above.

Anyone who has been white water rafting as probably surfed the white water at least once. I feel as if T5 is like surfing in a white water raft. You need to fight the current while pushing yourself to maintain that single position on top of the rough, but when you do it, man it’s awesome.

We need to clean up and tighten up our server into a team first. Randoms and refugees later.

Mad Rasputin.7809:

Uh, nothing against DR or Kaining, but I don’t think it was the scoring system or you two fighting each other that kept you down.

Both servers had severe population problems. Both servers had this issue addressed. Congrats to both, wish you both success.

Take your time moving up the ladder though. Learn from each tier as you go. It only gets tougher.

For about 3 months we’d usually swap turns at winning each week, so our scores remained more or less the same even though when we managed 695/0/0 against T7 when we got the chance. EB would be full on the weekends even back then, I mean there’s been a bit of population increase but I’m quite sure we could have made it up before then.

DinosaurIRL.2498:

It seems like us guys over at Kaineng kept you guys down and vice versa and now that we’re not competing against each other we’re both able to rise pretty quick. It’s kind of a shame the scoring kept both of us so low when we’re more competitive than the servers above us. I wouldn’t be surprised if we match up again at T5.

Don’t let transfers, and the fact you outnumber the lower tiers now get to your head. Once you hit equally populated servers in Tier 5, you too will hit a wall, and like DR, lose.

Kaining got a transfer from one guild of 400 players alone.

Maguuma; breaking lower tiered servers steam since 2012.