Guild Wars 2

I don’t know about you, but personally I think WvW has hit a new low, and the best part is, Devs don’t care, or if they do, they’re doing extremely poor job showing it.
Blow out matches, double teaming, stale match ups, server stacking encouragement before season two, just to name few issues.
I have no idea what they’re doing, but I’m starting to think even EA and Dice did better job “fixing” Battlefield 4.

Changing the name of the thread won’t help. Get over it and go back to playing. This thread will be locked just like the rest once you mention a server.

So we should just ignore the issues, just like Arena Net, and wait until WvW becomes EOTM Karma Train 2.0?

Not much to say that hasn’t already been said before on theads long gone.

At the moment, based on the all the drama, and the constant server transfers, ANet could perceive this season is working as intended and that WvW is successful and therefore nothing needs to be done.

If they are considering changes, given their standard MO, they will continue to remain quiet while gathering/analyzing information. Then move slowly with implementation.

Is like to see a ban on server transfers now (no real need from a PvE point of view now with Webserver). In addition to that, block any new players from joining BG, TC & JQ. Spread that new population over the other servers.

However, seeing as there is revenue stream involved in server transfers I doubt that will happen.

Never seen so much whines before one particular server get into bad position.
Maybe they think they’re destined to win and other result is not permitable?

It’s more like this scenario:
A 12 year old spoiled brat is punching and kicking a bunch of 5-year-old freely and without any sense of guilt. He also punches TWO older kids who’re 8 years old.
The TWO 8-year-old decide to work together and finally defeat the 12-year-old brat and kick him to the ground. Then the 12-year-old start crying and tell the teacher (Anet) that the TWO 8-year-old kids are bullying him, and want the teacher to do something about it.

WvW isnt horrid.

It’s fabulous. As someone who has put an enormous amount of time and effort into training my PVX (still mostly PvE) guild to WvW,

We can step into WvW at any time and have a blast, whether we’re getting double teamed and we hold NOTHING, or we’re blowing out our competition because they can’t keep up with our coverage.

(I’ll leave this video here as an example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejSehLVDJes

If you and your guildies/friends could play like the team in the video above, you’ll never be bored with what WvW (and EoTM for those stale weeks) has to offer.

I’ll address some of your points:

Blow out matches: are only boring if you’re winning.

double teaming: There’s just an abundance of targets. Option 1: roam with a small team, pick off idiots. Option 2, use AC. step 2. Profit

Stale matchup: challenge yourself by running with smaller zergs (or groups) where you are a more important piece of the group composition, try a 5v15.

By all accounts, there’s dozens of things that you can do to spice up your matchup. Try getting 8 thieves together (and in voip) and go destroy some havok teams.

run a naked zerg – you can only wear gear you pick up.

try to get a zerg of 100% asura. that kitten looks hilarious.

be creative. stop the QQ

The new meta:

‘If at first your post doesn’t succeed, post, post again.’

WvW is not in horrid state. It’s in the exact same state it was in 12 months ago. That is the problem, not that it’s bad, but that there is no evolution.

Please re-word your post OP.

Blow out matches occur sometimes due to the tournament, other times population differences. If you played WvW you’d know that.
Stale matches will happen barring transfer craze, you should know this as well. Unless you want to change it up and maybe have BG fight CD and FA for fun. Do you think that’s a wise idea?
Teaming up is INTENDED AND WHAT THE DEVS WANTED TO HAPPEN kitten . GET OFF THIS POINT ALREADY!
Server stacking is an Anet problem they have never addressed. Server designated “full” should not be able to blackout for more transfers period.

And no, I’m not from BG. That being said, I fail to see how anyone could ever justify two zergs spawn camping, maybe that’s what people like, I don’t know.
What I do know that there’s absolutely nothing being done to make WvW more enjoyable/balanced for everyone regardless of the server and Arena Net is showing no interest whatsoever.

shocking.3269:

Is like to see a ban on server transfers now (no real need from a PvE point of view now with Webserver). In addition to that, block any new players from joining BG, TC & JQ. Spread that new population over the other servers.
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They clearly aren’t going to do that as it cuts into their revenue. And in fact just before S2 started they raised the server caps again when everyone even those on the affected servers didn’t want them to.

Exactly. Te way to solve it is to work on population balance on other servers. Not going to happen though.

Nick.6972:

And no, I’m not from BG. That being said, I fail to see how anyone could ever justify two zergs spawn camping, maybe that’s what people like, I don’t know.
What I do know that there’s absolutely nothing being done to make WvW more enjoyable/balanced for everyone regardless of the server and Arena Net is showing no interest whatsoever.

Clearly you’ve never been on an underpopulated server in a match against one (or two) fully populated ones.

The kind where, desperate to get some no-effort kills (and it is no effort – 4 or more to one with siege means you can skill 1 your way to bags) your BL and EBG spawns are a deathtrap the moment you step out from protection.

Or when your low population server is up against servers with people to spare as scouts so that the moment you actually manage to scrape ten people together to start Siegerazor (by pulling people off of other maps – I kid you not) their 30+ person zerg rolls in as the gates go down, to take you at your most vulnerable.

As I’ve said in posts on previous threads which have since been locked, it’s hard to care about the tears from stacked servers when they are experiencing what those of us on the servers that were stripmined to stack them experience as just the reality of the game.

You want to have some actual fun in the game instead of just riding the coattails of a server’s name and the fading traces of lost glory? Drop to a lower tier server and play the game. Your personal contributions will actually mean something, win or lose.

If you just want bags and to quack along with the zerg of ducklings, stay on a stacked server. Watching youtube videos from those servers, it’s hard to see the difference between them and EotM aside from the scenery.

Balance is for SPvP, not for WvW. But clearly people picked up on that early, what with war chests and cherry picking from other servers.

It seems that people massively invested in the past meta meta are slow to adapt to the new meta meta.

Wear a helmet.

Aomine.5012:

Never seen so much whines before one particular server get into bad position.
Maybe they think they’re destined to win and other result is not permitable?

It’s more like this scenario:
A 12 year old spoiled brat is punching and kicking a bunch of 5-year-old freely and without any sense of guilt. He also punches TWO older kids who’re 8 years old.
The TWO 8-year-old decide to work together and finally defeat the 12-year-old brat and kick him to the ground. Then the 12-year-old start crying and tell the teacher (Anet) that the TWO 8-year-old kids are bullying him, and want the teacher to do something about it.

And now he’s going door to door crying at every doorstep, hoping someone will help him against the mean, smaller, children, who aren’t letting him beat them up anymore. And he’s puzzled that nobody is sympathetic. Which makes him cry even harder.

WvW is the very best of this game. WvW is where we express our most human identity. WvW is fine, just evolving. like we are.

come on, how much fun did our ancestors have killing each other over territory and resources like this and honoring our victims? it is in our blood and theirs.

There’s nothing to discuss.

Any time anything interesting comes up the thread is termed a match-up thread and closed.

I LOVE WvW. That being said, does anyone else feel like, “is this season over yet? No… there are still THREE MORE FULL WEEKS left… /wrists”

Apart from working 4 split shifts a week and an 8hr shift once a week, add in other real life events, i’m finding it harder and harder to want to log in and wvw.

Assassin X.8573:

I LOVE WvW. That being said, does anyone else feel like, “is this season over yet? No… there are still THREE MORE FULL WEEKS left… /wrists”

I’ve felt like that since the 2nd week.

Assassin X.8573:

I LOVE WvW. That being said, does anyone else feel like, “is this season over yet? No… there are still THREE MORE FULL WEEKS left… /wrists”

Yeah, since week 2 I’ve felt this way. Seasons are terrible and pointless.

Bronze league has been a lot of fun with competitive matchups that players, to varying degrees of course, care about every week. Anyone in gold league enduring the ongoing stupidity, or the imbalanced matchups in silver really missed out with the free transfer opportunity.

Long term who knows what will happen with WvW. The ongoing lack of communication from anet doesn’t exactly inspire confidence that they care at all about the format that is the only reason a huge number of players continue to play.

After nearly 2 years of consecutive war, most people are dead and most areas devastated

FearedbytheGods.8617:

The new meta:

‘If at first your post doesn’t succeed, post, post again.’

Yep. The PvE dueling crowd do it just about weekly.

Oh and, “Blackgate, TC, SoR, and some other server”.

Now can this thread be closed too? Thanks.

after careful consideration I have come to the realization that anet wants wvw to be a care bear game for pug servers who on there own cannot win. I would also like to point out the swiss style tournament is 1.currently being manipulated. 2.completely noncompetitive. 3.a joke. no matter how many times anet deletes this it will still be true.

I wouldn’t say that the Devs don’t care, they just can’t really do anything right now until the season is over. They tried a different type of scoring and it didn’t work like they intended. I’m fairly certain they will try, yet another, scoring system for season 3.

I think Non Toxic covered it all nicely.

Ken DeBoer.9268:

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They tried a different type of scoring
…

Unfortunately they did not touched the scoring. It’s the same bad coverage PPT that decides matches since day 1, and it’s the same bad 5-3-1 as in tournament 1.

They only automated match-making, i.e. swiss-tournament instead of manual matching.

It would nice to not be vs the same servers almost every week….

phaeris.7604:

It would nice to not be vs the same servers almost every week….

Server aren’t that different, they are just either much stronger or much weaker than your current opponents So with the current state of server balance there is nothing to gain from variation.

Every facet of the game is the same, an extreme lack of new and interesting content in a game that’s been out for a decent amount of time. Other than additional rewards they haven’t added anything to wvw or spvp since release, and you wonder why its stale?

The 2v1 sucks, but its part of the game. Stay strong fair-weather gate!

Every blob is the same Darya, but different servers have different soloers and small mans to fight which are more fun.

the only you all can do is to see the patch notes everytime..just see how the "fix"the classes
they do that based to the spvp and not the WvWvW
we all see knowh that those 2 styles of pvp is total diferent and on both you use diferent set ups

just see what they did on last upadate..they allow you to go on spvp with the build that you use on WvWvW
the only i see with that move is that they try to bring the WvWvW players inside the spvp..dont forget thet they spend alot of time promoting this before game comes on line
thats why the prefer to spend time and efort on spvp instent of the WvWvW game..every patch is mostly for the game play of spvp
see for example guardian..mostly we were playing "shout"guardian..and now lot of ppl have change to meditation..you cant play shout on spvp but you can play meditation

also they have diferent thoughts about WvWvW..and somethind diferent mess up ther plans…and the name of that is called GUILDS
Guilds find a way to fight eachother inside those maps and they actual have give to this game his title..GW2

anet atm dont realy have give that to the game.and remember few months ago what hapen is 1 gvg..what a GM-or develop or what he was-have say to the 2 guilds that fighting there
“you mess with my gameplay”

so lets deal with that..anet cant handle the issues on WvWvW atm..ether those is about skils..ether those is about enviroment ..even those is about hacks
so you have 2 choises ..you stay on the game and you play it the way it is now..ether you stop/taking a breack and hoping that they fix something and you come back and start playing again

phaeris.7604:

Every blob is the same Darya, but different servers have different soloers and small mans to fight which are more fun.

Ever tried to meet them in EotM? 2/3 of all servers are available there as possible opponents! Does the map-transfer work if EotM-opponents are in party?

I forgot to add this: All is Vain!

I think they should restructure the WvW servers. The only purpose of servers now is for WvW server identity. They should dissolve the current servers and restructure them in an effort to balance out WvW populations/coverage

Maybe keep the t1 servers and merge lower tier servers into them and rename them. Or rename servers and allow players/guilds to move to new ones.

That’s the only real solution i’ve come up with. Feel free to poke holes in it, i aint scurred.

Scrambles.2604:

I think they should restructure the WvW servers. The only purpose of servers now is for WvW server identity. They should dissolve the current servers and restructure them in an effort to balance out WvW populations/coverage

Maybe keep the t1 servers and merge lower tier servers into them and rename them. Or rename servers and allow players/guilds to move to new ones.

That’s the only real solution i’ve come up with. Feel free to poke holes in it, i aint scurred.

Replace WvW-Server with something along the line of this proposal:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Collaborative-Development-Edge-of-the-Mists/3695388

Now what if they simply removed the whole score system.
What if WvW was simply a 3 way death match with objectives and no “score”?
What if you could only see your individual score?

they should bring back the 1 day matches we had after release – best wvw times ever

WvW is a joke and this tournament is one big cluster fest.

This season is way too long.

Matches/transfers/rewards weren’t very well thought out.

I appreciate the disruptive play 2v1 stuff but again, it lasts for weeks and it begins to show that WvW needs some love (and EOTM doesn’t count because I say so that’s why)

You can’t fish in this game and therefor can’t fish in WvW and they took out most of that big lake that would have been awesome for fishing come on man

Hamster.4861:

WvW isnt horrid.

It’s fabulous. As someone who has put an enormous amount of time and effort into training my PVX (still mostly PvE) guild to WvW,

We can step into WvW at any time and have a blast, whether we’re getting double teamed and we hold NOTHING, or we’re blowing out our competition because they can’t keep up with our coverage.

(I’ll leave this video here as an example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejSehLVDJes

If you and your guildies/friends could play like the team in the video above, you’ll never be bored with what WvW (and EoTM for those stale weeks) has to offer.

I’ll address some of your points:

Blow out matches: are only boring if you’re winning.

double teaming: There’s just an abundance of targets. Option 1: roam with a small team, pick off idiots. Option 2, use AC. step 2. Profit

Stale matchup: challenge yourself by running with smaller zergs (or groups) where you are a more important piece of the group composition, try a 5v15.

By all accounts, there’s dozens of things that you can do to spice up your matchup. Try getting 8 thieves together (and in voip) and go destroy some havok teams.

run a naked zerg – you can only wear gear you pick up.

try to get a zerg of 100% asura. that kitten looks hilarious.

be creative. stop the QQ

You play for what..4 months ? Thats nothing…Try doing wvw from the Start of gw2 up till now…Youl be as bored as anyone else having done so.WvW used to be different….its just kinda Meh now.

Rimmy.9217:

Wear a helmet.

typical soccer mom

My server pretty much given up on this season of WvW. Sad to see the out manned icon on more hours of the day than off. Players have realized they have better use of their cash than to spend it on upgrades that never get finished and siege the rarely gets refreshed.

WvW needs developer attention. Good luck with that, I feel for Devon, personally. He got dealt a bum hand when he landed this job. If he still has it. Anybody heard from him lately? Bueller?

The developers seem obsessed with sPvP instead.

Let’s just talk about WvW and all its glory….

Nick.6972:

I don’t know about you, but personally I think WvW has hit a new low, and the best part is, Devs don’t care, or if they do, they’re doing extremely poor job showing it.
Blow out matches, double teaming, stale match ups, server stacking encouragement before season two, just to name few issues.
I have no idea what they’re doing, but I’m starting to think even EA and Dice did better job “fixing” Battlefield 4.

This same statement applies to Season One as well. I left the server I had been on for a year and a half to avoid being punched in the kitten for 9 weeks.

Loosmaster.8263:

Let’s just talk about WvW and all its glory….

…but.. but… glory is fleeting! Quick, CC it!

Let’s see, WvW and all it’s glory… /ponder…./ponder….. /sun sets…./sun rises…. /sun sets…. /still pondering…

Tournament has been a bit too long, it’s already cut into beta testing for another game multiple weekends, and open beta this week and now looks like it’s gonna run right up to headstart. ANet stacked the weeks! <innocent look>

Ok, seriously, I don’t want to feel pushed into another game because WvW has needed attention for a long time. August is rapidly approaching, and with it the 2-year anniversary of release. Not a lot of communication (I’m being generous), nor fixes/upgrades specific to WvW (other than EotM /Wexp) in that time frame. Captain Obvious says, “this is a recording”. :p

Concern about WvW’s future is probably something all of us can agree on.

goldenwing.8473:

Loosmaster.8263:

Let’s just talk about WvW and all its glory….

…but.. but… glory is fleeting! Quick, CC it!

Let’s see, WvW and all it’s glory… /ponder…./ponder….. /sun sets…./sun rises…. /sun sets…. /still pondering…

Tournament has been a bit too long, it’s already cut into beta testing for another game multiple weekends, and open beta this week and now looks like it’s gonna run right up to headstart. ANet stacked the weeks! <innocent look>

Whats funny is that because the tournament is so godawful its been more of a help than a hindrance to 3 competititors.

I’m going to echo what is already been said here above.

WvW is great, I love it, and I’d like more of it but, it is so far beyond stale it’s bordering on embarrassing.

I don’t know what more to say that hasn’t already been said but, I won’t continue to play your game if you don’t continue development of WvW, which means I won’t be spending money in your gem shop and historically when I stop playing an mmo I don’t come back.

Maybe you don’t care and I guarantee your silence on these forums isn’t convincing anyone you do.