Guild Wars 2

due to the fact that the server Vizunah scored a victory dishonestly, I suggest to disqualify this server from WvWvW season.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Sick-of-2-servers-vs-1/first#post3294130

Its not dishonest. There are 3 servers each matchup so you can teamup.

Thank´s for your post, but there is no alliance. Some leads of your server tried to buy Piken with gold and they refused btw. Massively ironic.

Ps: you did this to Jade sea last week, but they resisted. Gigantic irony

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Troma still haven’t got ban?

scratch that…

Its a three-way. There is nothing against the rule of the game that says ganging up = cheating.

ganging up is not a cheating but considered low by all i think.
if you don’t considered ganging up is low by any means, you failed as a human being

Working as intended. Who cares anyway, everyone knows their victory was because piken are helping them so it carries no real value. They can’t brag about it or claim they are the best, their gold dolly finisher will just be a reminder that they couldnt win without piken. Same goes for pikens bronze finisher. At least other servers can be proud of their league rankings (well some of them except servers who purposefully dropped to silver league to dominate low pop servers, I will mention no names).

Since the EU servers feel obligated to troll the NA T1 threads with ’Nobody cares’, allow me to return the gesture.

Nobody cares!

Would have to eliminate SFR for doing it, and openly admitting to do it in both week 5 and 6.

Stillmoon.6894:

ganging up is not a cheating but considered low by all i think.
if you don’t considered ganging up is low by any means, you failed as a human being

Would agree with you if that was the case, but in first round Vizunah was just too kitten impregnable, so Piken had no choice but to try SFR. Unfortunately Vizunah/SFR had a long antagonistic relationship before the leagues. So the animosity quickly used (the psych term) transferrance, and a lot of propaganda was spread around SFR to get the troops frothing. Sketchy stuff ensued, deliberate and openly expressed in match threads. Their forum warriors were so bad, that both teams are now openly admitting to focusing SFR in final match.

What they should realize, in first match the never ticked below 150 or so. Tonight they ticked zero.

2 v1 will always happen. my server faced 2v1’s quiet often and yes it can be a pain but its part of rvr. its not cheating. cheating would be placing spies and griefers on other servers to get a cheap skill less win.

wux.7314:

Working as intended. Who cares anyway, everyone knows their victory was because piken are helping them so it carries no real value. They can’t brag about it or claim they are the best, their gold dolly finisher will just be a reminder that they couldnt win without piken. Same goes for pikens bronze finisher. At least other servers can be proud of their league rankings (well some of them except servers who purposefully dropped to silver league to dominate low pop servers, I will mention no names).

I’m impressed to see that you still get to rant on servers that have nothing to do with the gold league…

wux.7314:

Working as intended. Who cares anyway, everyone knows their victory was because piken are helping them so it carries no real value. They can’t brag about it or claim they are the best, their gold dolly finisher will just be a reminder that they couldnt win without piken. Same goes for pikens bronze finisher. At least other servers can be proud of their league rankings (well some of them except servers who purposefully dropped to silver league to dominate low pop servers, I will mention no names).

Lol, you saying the same thing 20 times in multiple threads does not make it fact, :)

This spin doctor technique may have worked in the past, but most are only seeing an angry kid who takes a video game a wee bit too seriously.

Go get some fresh air.

Nobody is cheating because
a) There are 3 servers, 2 attacking the same is something that can happen and is part of WwW
b) There is not even any concertation. You, SFR, know that Piken is an opportunist who will attack the weak one. You have used this fact in the past (before season 1), focusing us so we were weaker and then Piken just attacked us too. Now the same happens backwards : we focus you (because you are the only one able to equal our 1st rank and because of old antagonism between our servers) —→ Pikens decides to attack you too.

Even if this would be considered as cheating, there is no need for disqualification because
a) Whatever happens during this 7th week, we’ll still be #1
b) We have been double-focused during other weeks too.
c) You during 1st week and us during other weeks proved that being double-focused doesn’t imply 0-tick. Your whole argument is a link to a post about the 0-tick … this link only proves that SFR gave up.

And last : no matter what happens during this week ,you can’t lose your #2 position (and we wouldn’t have let you share #1)

All i know for a change i was in EB last night and watch Piken and Viz take turns in the keep lords room, Piken even went off and took a tower then came back, i wasn’t staying round to be farmed as they took ages and it was to farm us i do believe, they didn’t attack each other.

Piken, Viz yes maybe it is a tactic, pretty poor one though, sorry but SFR wins just on that.

And if i could i’d be putting a pic up of my kitten , saying kiss my kitten whilst shakin my titacs :p

It’s not cheating when your world takes advantage of the first world’s actions to take on the third.

It’s cheating when your world purposely loses against the first world and attacks only the third world, with the intention of letting the first one win.

But how do you prove it’s the second case, and not the first?

A lot of angry people I see…

Vizunah didn’t invented the 2vs1, most servers have done it at least once, SFR did it twice in a raw.

I don’t know if you guys have ever played other mmos like GW2, but in DAOC and RFO there was always some sort of “alliance” between 2 servers, it’s called tactic, usually it was against the most powerfull one, but there where also betrayals

@deffy : I was there last night too. No discussion between VS and Piken nor taking turns ! VS has done all the job taking the tower again and again, emptying your supply, opening doors and walls. Piken came to leech. Yes, we entered while you were fighting them, but if it had been about taking turns, they wouldn’t have wiped us at lord just before we finish capping.
Both servers knew that it would be easier to let the other fight SFR than fighting the other before rushing on SFR^^, so it was purely about doing what seemed the best strategy at any given time. (and yes, we attacked each other several times in your keep).
The guys ended up stealing our cap, my guild punished them (reset their T3 towers while their were still in your keep)

@Mithran : I don’t think Piken looses on purpose because (a) we don’t need a “purpose” on their side to beat them, (b) their only chance to get back to #2 (ex aeco) would have been to win this matchup.

two vs one has been around practically since wvw began. It’s a completely viable tactics that practically every server has used at least once.

i would love to see how my server would fare against Big Viz

Only a dishonorable person would want to win due to disqualification of their opponent. Maybe they should just take your S1 rewards away?

Actually, they don’t deserve disqualification.
3 server means that if a server is far too strong other 2 can make an alliance to stand up.
Alliance is legit even if this is not necessary, but is made by “high tier” servers to keep their position up.
How servers use alliance change what people think. When you see two big blobs of vizunah and piken that don’t even try to fake some skirmish you realize that low populated servers deserve rewards a lot more of those two.
Now this will create a problem. First, vizunah will be remembered better as “pizunah”
Second, and seriously, if 2 strong servers make such an alliance the other servers will be forced to do the same to compete. The lowest servers will be excluded from alliances or at least from good alliances.

Now, there will be someone that will try to defend their server (for sure) telling us that this is how game is intended to work, that if you don’t like to be in a low server you should move or create a good community to attract people, and other stupid things like this.
Well, i’m in SFR. I’m really fine with the community, and i enjoy the game in wvw (i play almost only wvw). The server is strong enough to provide me amusement.
I enjoy good fights, but even desperate fights. What i really don’t like is when my server totally dominates others, so in this case i don’t go in eb for our weakest border, or i don’t even log in.
I enjoy even when vizunah and piken play togheter. This makes the game really hardcore, and i feel good beating people who uses less honorable strategy.

BUT please don’t try to justify yourself with weakest server. This alliance is not made to have a chance to play, is made for greed.
Don’t even try to negate that this will have a bad impact on the game. I’m pretty sure we will se the results in season 2.
Well, devs can’t punish vizunah for using a legit strategy, but they should take care of this issue for future.

Since game is 3 servers against each other, there’s not point to forbid alliances.
Otherwise, devs would have made 1vs1 (but this would be really boring in unbalanced matchup).
A good way to solve this could be to make alliances a effective game feature. Every server could have an ally (Limits on this choice? Now i don’t know), all alliances besides the official one will not be legit and punished.

Other way is to don’t fix at all, prepare to migration, and let’s all play this way.

People whining about alliances and politics should be sent to EvE for a month.

Think this topic was serious, but just a trolling-Troma attempt.

JS people is agree to disqualify VZ, but only to get the gold indeed…

(Je suis déjà super loin Troma :p (Morticiah)).

These SFR guys.
I like them.
/popcorntime

Need more VS players on this forum.

These pizunah guys.
I like them.
Rest of the players don’t like them.
As i said, i really enjoy fights against pizunah. Other are really too easy.
Ok, not that the fight itself is getting harder, they are the usual rallybot zerg, BUT with pikens we really have to work hard to cap things, and it’s funny.
The sad truth is that this will work only in season 1, since in season 2 every server will have 1 or more ally and a lot of people will migrate in biggest servers.
All of this for what? A finisher
Actually, i really don’t care about placement, but most of player does, so why lie about that? If this strategy works and it’s legit, everyone will do the same in the future.
There’s no point of making fun about other servers. I’m in a server strong enough to attract players and make alliances. The problem is that i’d prefer that making alliances was not necessary to win and thus became a normal part of wvw.
I’m already bored when matchup is not fair and we win too easy, imagine if we had even an ally.
Of course big servers will not be touched so much by this (everyone wants a big ally). I’m worried more about smallest one. I fear about entire weeks with almost all map capped, very long queue (farmers) and not a single good fight.

I bet all the screens i made today of viz and piken zerg at few meters aside without any fight does not means there is an alliance?

._. obviously i get that its a balancing issue but at least we can t deny no more that 2VS1 is real (and possibly even on the same TS).

2v1 is normal. There are 3 competitors after all. Most t1 do it, some good social lower tier servers do it. Only the normal pug doesn’t know about the alliance. Welcome to reality ^,^

wvw is war

4 majors problems with this thread:

1) SFR Offered gold and alliance to Piken, they refused. All.

2)We have no alliance. I fought with my GCK from 6am to 10am, many fights and 50/50 between sfr and piken.

3) if you see VS and PS groups not fighting, it’s maybe because the commander at the moment decide it.

4) you have a short memory. You did a true alliance (open castles and towers) against Jade Sea week before.

any proof of that?
i have proof of what i say….
and i m just a www pug i don t really care… i just have fun roaming…

I just happened 3 times to see and screen clear viz and piken few meters one aside the other and not fighting …..

EX 19:22 +1 GMT today sfr attack bay arrives at lord, VIZ manages to keep lord alive despite losing almost all zerg….

Piken is just out of the lord room (inside walls) with his zerg standing still….and when viz wins goes away despite the chance for a free BAY

From what i saw you must even be in the same teamspeak server possibly.

Feel free to ask me screens via PM otherwise i won t come on this topic because as i said i m more a roamer usually fighting for bloodlust and stuff.

Don t ask me what happened in the past because i don t know….i just saw peculiar stuff and screened…

If a server attacks a keep and the third server can’t wipe both the defenders and the other attackers getting in there will just contest the keep for the defenders. So obviously the third server won’t get in the lord’s room, that would be just stupid of them.

If the first attackers get heavily destroyed the third server won’t just risk attacking the defenders as well, they can go back to spawn without destroying their armor and morale.

WvW is all about choosing where and when to fight, it’s not a “hit anything that moves with a red name” kinda thing.

Lord was alive….
Bay was vizunah’s sfr attacked when was empty and viz managed to get back and kill sfr despite losing most of his zerg

So it never flipped….

Few vizunah….left so Killing lord would give bay to piken….

Can I get those screenshots then? I wasn’t ingame for the last hours but I know that Piken doesn’t have the luxury to leave a free Bay without capping it. Especially since they were in there, meaning they wanted to cap it in the first place as well.

The truth behind Vizunah’s domination and Jade Sea’s last victory …

chriskin.3298:

Can I get those screenshots then? I wasn’t ingame for the last hours but I know that Piken doesn’t have the luxury to leave a free Bay without capping it. Especially since they were in there, meaning they wanted to cap it in the first place as well.

My bad was the opposite….
Invert the stuff switching viz and piken… was piken bay, and viz instead of getting it just wait to see if piken won and when it did went away….

Here you are few seconds between screen as soon as i saw viz escaping…..

the lord room with pike that won (and few left alive)…notice the scout reporting aside me:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a37/DawnAmber/gw060.jpg

5 seconds just to rotate camera and get some distance….and tail of viz zerg escaping:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a37/DawnAmber/gw059.jpg

Please if you need other screens contact via PM or i won t pass again from this topic.

Oh i obviously can’t know what Vizunah does or doesn’t do. Since you agreed that it wasn’t Piken that did it it’s cool with me. An idea would be, though, that after seeing a zerg getting destroyed in front of you you might not want to get in there. I know that if I was on Vizu I would back away as well because, let’s be honest now, that screenshot of yours doesn’t show “few alive” in there.

Keep on with your comedic “We failed to beat Vizunah so we ask Anet to remove them from the league” kinda thing, those of us that can’t play right now need something to laugh. Do try to understand how WvWvW works first and what is causing each choice, though, those comedic threads are becoming less funny these days. :/

At some point we should just agree with them to shut them up. You know, like you do with crazy people …

My god, and I thought SBI was bad with the QQing over being 2v1’d…

Jayne.9251:

At some point we should just agree with them to shut them up. You know, like you do with crazy people …

And have nothing to laugh about while doing work? Come on Jayne, don’t do this to me :/

What? I made you a Canadian thread. It’s full of nonsense :p

Jayne.9251:

What? I made you a Canadian thread. It’s full of nonsense :p

Like how much we Canadians love our beavers ^^

Dirty boy.

Oh look now what we’ve done. We’ve derailed the thread.

Oops.

LordByron.8369:

My bad was the opposite….
Invert the stuff switching viz and piken… was piken bay, and viz instead of getting it just wait to see if piken won and when it did went away….

Here you are few seconds between screen as soon as i saw viz escaping…..

the lord room with pike that won (and few left alive)…notice the scout reporting aside me:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a37/DawnAmber/gw060.jpg

5 seconds just to rotate camera and get some distance….and tail of viz zerg escaping:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a37/DawnAmber/gw059.jpg

Please if you need other screens contact via PM or i won t pass again from this topic.

There is about 10 or so Vizunah in bay and apparently there is 30 or so Pikens, according to Zing Candy Lips. So, should those 10 Vizunah charge in to get slaughtered? Not that this really matters at all. Even if there was agreement between Vizunah and Piken, which I have not seen, it is no ground to disqualify Vizunah. Then we should disqualify Seafarer’s Rest since they admit that they did double team Piken and of course disqualify Piken. In fact, lets disqualify all and make Vabbi and Whiteside Ridge win gold, silver and bronze. Just to clarify, I am being facetious since some people seems to actually believe this conspiracy nonsense.

Yeah, but my information was more valuable than another upset tummy about 2v1, it was fresh, and exciting, just like our coffee, our hockey, and our ladies.

And I know your all planning a trip to visit now ^^

/morningsuccess

Little add for the OP:

SFR did it twice, 1 time versus Piken and 1 time versus Jade Sea. The existence of this post is nonsense in itself.

SFR is like goldfish . They have a memory of two seconds, no more .

Come here to accuse Vizunah to a double focus, I think that is the biggest joke since the beginning of the game, especially when you know what SFR done during some match-up . Honesty , humility and objectivity are concepts that are totally unknown to you .

It’s not for nothing that you’re the most hated server in Europe , especially not because you ’re the best. You took 80k in the first week of the league, and you have found every excuse in the world to justify your defeat, all the more laughable than the others .

You remind me of those kids who come whining when they take a kick in the buttocks, then they spend the day doing the same thing. Just pathetic.

Before the start of the league, you told everywhere you go blow everyone because you are the best server. You took a spanking in the first week .
After the first week and 200 excuses later, you promised us hell in the last week . For the moment, and I am aware that the game is far from finished, I have not felt the heat of the flames tickling my buttocks . So I wait to see if you’re as strong IG as you are arrogant on forum.

The dumbest in all this is that there is a lot of good people on your server, but a minority throws him a total disrepute.

I hope you are sharers, because as you go, you’ll be two on the second step of the podium with Jade Sea. You know, Jade Sea, the server you double-focused with Elona last week

What you are saying is simply not correct and you can see why here

Goldfish have a memory span of at least three months!

(the rest of the post is cool though)

Ok, the OP is obviously a troll and I am not 100% convinced if that person is even an SFR player and not just a provocateur who wants to see some angry Vizunah player trashtalk and boast. Since it is WvWvW and not WvW it is completely normal and allowed for servers to team up against a third one.

As an SFR player myself let me tell you that only GOOD comes out of this 2v1. The queues are finally shorter, only players with some interest participate in WvWvW and not casual PVE achievement hunters. There is a lot to learn now and experience to gain. Not to mention players kills and loot bags. I got more than a thousand of player kills in just 2 hours. I would like to remind every single player that points will reset on Friday your kills and loot will not.

IMO the only bad thing that could happen to a server in WvW is the lack of resistance. Either you do not have anybody to fight with you or you do not have anybody to fight against. These problems can be found in the bronze league and not the gold league.

SUNTO.2341:

SFR is like goldfish . They have a memory of two seconds, no more .

The dumbest in all this is that there is a lot of good people on your server, but a minority throws him a total disrepute.

These sentences are in complete contradiction. Your extreme generalisation lowers the quality of your content.

SUNTO.2341:

Come here to accuse Vizunah to a double focus, I think that is the biggest joke since the beginning of the game, especially when you know what SFR done during some match-up . Honesty , humility and objectivity are concepts that are totally unknown to you .

It is not an accusation, it is an observation. Is there anything wrong with it? Should we disqualify VS? No and no.

SUNTO.2341:

It’s not for nothing that you’re the most hated server in Europe , especially not because you ’re the best. You took 80k in the first week of the league, and you have found every excuse in the world to justify your defeat, all the more laughable than the others .

Though I do not have the statistics to support or to disprove your theory but I think it is safe to say that tons of people dislike VS as a server/community as well.

SUNTO.2341:

Before the start of the league, you told everywhere you go blow everyone because you are the best server. You took a spanking in the first week .
After the first week and 200 excuses later, you promised us hell in the last week . For the moment, and I am aware that the game is far from finished, I have not felt the heat of the flames tickling my buttocks . So I wait to see if you’re as strong IG as you are arrogant on forum.

Is SFR the best? Well, we could be. To prove it to others though we should be able to handle 2v1 against top 5 servers better than we do now.

SUNTO.2341:

I hope you are sharers, because as you go, you’ll be two on the second step of the podium with Jade Sea. You know, Jade Sea, the server you double-focused with Elona last week

Since JS was the only one to be able to stand up against a 2v1 they definitely deserve to be second with us (and finish ahead of PS). I would share my cookies and milk with them if they ask me to. Ok, maybe not my cookies (I like them more).