Guild Wars 2

1 Up 1 Down has already negatively affected player behaviors and needs to be reverted.

The last several weeks have been an exercise in tanking in the US as server communities jockey to either drop out of Tier 1 or be sure to not win Tier 2 to graduate to Tier 1. It puts the behavior incentives in all the wrong places, and is making communities more toxic.

Of course tanking has always been a “thing” in WvW, but there is a difference between tanking to change the likelihood of a matchup occurring and knowing your tanking will work.

1 Up 1 Down was an interesting experiment, but it has run its course already. Time to let it die.

This is the most foolish and misguided interpretation of 1up 1 down I have seen to date.

CONSIDER THIS: 1 up1down…has only been implemented ONCE so far.
It came into effect 2 weeks ago….but then we reset our pairings and those pairings and the opponents you got were based on “glicko”.
So the first week was determined by glicko. I don’t know what matchup you got the first week but we were with Cd and JQ vs MAG…and mag winning was determined within the first hour after reset. This kd was over 10 for kittens sake. On every bl they dominated. There was no change. So you want to go back to this “meta” that creates scenarios where the server everyone KNOWS is gonna win without even trying gets paired against people that have no way to fight back. ANd this would have repeated for multiple weeks until it went away if we followed with the glicko. Anet has NOT handfixed abnormalities in their glicko equation, and thus it has tanked HARD and it continues to TANK hard.

That’s what you want? OKAY. Cause I’d imagine some matchups it works! There’s gotta be 1 or two other there that it works soso for. But those soso matchups are pretty much stuck, cause glicko will not allow changups easily if not at all if you win/lose. SO winning/losing has no affect under old glicko that much is fairly accepted.

NEXT, going back to the start of my post…..we had 1 week with the new pairings THEN we had ONE INSTANCE of 1up1down applied! And we are awaiting the second instance tomorrow/friday.

So 1up1down has only happened ONE TIME so far. IF we accept the glicko as “god awful”, then it follows that 1 instance of 1updown is not nearly enough to get out of it. Its gonna take AT LEAST 3 or 4 instance of 1up1down before we can have an opinioin on whether it works or not.

Right now I notice on wvsw intelligence that MAG is tanking their score on purpose by just playing ONLY on ebg. They pretty much own all of ebg 24/7 and nothing on the other bl. This is no change from when the glicko was deciding things. Mag did this before, and they will do it again. It doesn’t mean 1up1down is flawed, it means the gameplay itself is flawed.

You are making a gameplay issue into an issue against 1up1down. And that is just plain wrong. It happened under the old system, and it will happen under this system. There is a need for ‘hand’ adjustment of certain servers like MAg to discontinue their abuse of the system. Outside of that tho…..it looks pretty good to me atm. People who usually got losing matchups for months will at least get some matchups they can win in between now. I think that makes 1up1down much fairer than the old glicko automatically.

1up1down means everyone will suffer some bad matchups until a month or so passes, afterwhich it will ‘spread’ the bad matchups evenly amonng ALLL WORLDS. So yes maybe u were on one of the few worlds that benefited from glicko more. Cause we all know glicko was biased as can be towards ‘certain’ servers. Its time you see the other side of wvsw, and share in ‘some’ of the misery. If you don’t like that….well then you are a very selfish person. And I would hope that this “eye opening” will have a positive effect on the commuinity in recogniziing the issues that have plagues parts of the community for years. Perhaps then we can unite against the real issues that plague the mode.

Or we can just not learn and giveup and post things like you did, making anet return to the old glicko. Them returning to the old glicko is easy for the devs. They have set themselves up to win here. If 1up1down is unpopular they will end it without debate in order to get brownie points with the community, it wont matter whether it fixes things better or not to them. Getting rid of it is a very easy way for them to pretend they are working on the mode and that they care. And this will buy them MONTHS more of gametime from many members of the community which is what they want/need to do….they want you to stick around just long enough till the next expansion comes. They literally stated this in the patchnotes a while back, albeit leaving out the intent and the expansion bit.

HEre’s an analogy for you then:
-you can have 3 candies now and the other people around you can have anywhere from 1-4 candies.
-OR you can wait 1 month and everyone can get 4 candies.
Idk about you, but i’ll wait a month since we all get more candies.

I like the ONE UP / ONE DOWN system. However I wish there was a way to discourage tanking, griefing or otherwise throwing your server under the bus to drop tiers.

For the last two weeks, 5 of the 6 servers in Tier 1 & 2 have had significant parts of their population doing everything possible to score as little as they can while still enjoying the game mode. Everyone wants to not be in Tier 1.

1 up 1 down is a disaster.

If everyone wants to not be in Tier 1, the problem is likely something to do with Tier 1. That is, the population difference must be so large that people cannot enjoy the game in that tier.

That isn’t an issue with 1u1d.

Tanking is doable before 1 up 1 down. So, going back to the old system is not the solution.

1 up 1 down so far has show the more evident way to increase rank in wvw server. If you one win your tier you go up. If you don’t, you stay. And if you lose, you go down. Unless you’re in last tier. Glicko failed in this because it kept winning servers in certain tiers or pulled up those that didn’t win.

imo. Tanking will always be part of the strategy. Real life teams do it. Athletes do it. You even do it at work. Not going to change unless people themselves choose to be different.

Shrug…Anet just needs to keep tabs and manually keep a server from dropping if tanking one week and roller-coasting much higher then the server that went up the previous week.

NO! Glicko is way way worse than 1 up 1 down. At least there is a visible reason to 1 up 1 down and it makes sense to the average player. Glicko was insane and very volatile. 1 up 1 down 99% of the people like so it’s good.

Sviel.7493:

If everyone wants to not be in Tier 1, the problem is likely something to do with Tier 1. That is, the population difference must be so large that people cannot enjoy the game in that tier.

That isn’t an issue with 1u1d.

Exactly this. The problem is in the way the WvW match-up itself works, not the matching system used.

there is no more justification for glicko in wvw

Most people aren’t going to see the disadvantages of 1u1d until its been in place for a couple weeks. Judging it after its decided one week of matches is not exactly a good sample size.

Glicko is awful for our current team setup. I’d rather get 1 week of an awful matchup rather than 3 weeks in a row of getting matched with servers that are 1-2 tiers in population above us. I’ll still come out to fight if I have time to play, but man it’s boring when we’re up against 2-3x our number.