Guild Wars 2

Grim West.3194:

Holdyir.2918:

briggah.7910:

Or you can do something productive like learn the maps.

^ This. The new maps are a lot better than what people are giving them credit for.

Yep, that’s why everyone loves them so much and there is always a queue.

Going by what you just said the old bl’s were hated then because they never really got queued outside of reset night.

The old maps definitely weren’t perfect, but they had plenty of action during primetime. And havoc guilds etc could find small fights there. Roaming was viable.

The new maps have none of that and are huge jump backwards because NOBODY plays them.

I’m not sure if the maps are totally at fault. They did a lot of things to WvW that hurt the game mode. The lack of incentives and the PvE requirements are probably bigger factors in their failure.

The harsh reality is no one is playing them so saying they are good because of X, Y, Z is irrelevant. Numbers and actions are the key here and both are failing on the new maps. Its been a month+ it’s time to stop saying “but but their good, people just need to blah” because those arguments are now irrelevant. They are not being played, something needs to be done, all the excuses in the world is not changing this reality.

briggah.7910:

Grim West.3194:

Holdyir.2918:

briggah.7910:

Or you can do something productive like learn the maps.

^ This. The new maps are a lot better than what people are giving them credit for.

Yep, that’s why everyone loves them so much and there is always a queue.

Going by what you just said the old bl’s were hated then because they never really got queued outside of reset night.

Sarcasm can be hard to read.

The old borderlands were perfect if you were into 5-15 man squad battles, the new borderlands is perfect if you’re into solo flipping stuff with no resistance….

I took the bottom towers on an enemy map, then sat there for the whole duration of my 1 hour food buff before I left because NO ONE was coming out to play. I don’t even think there was anyone on map.

I proceed to EB, the only place where you can find an enemy, I realise all my enemies are farming elite specs in a blob hopping from tower to tower, without a completely levelled spec they are under powered and afraid to leave the blob for an engagement, which by all means is understandable. It’s the mentality being forced upon the players currently. As a roamer it’s very clear when fighting new specs that a lot of people havent maxed it yet but still keen to use new weapon skills.

sephiroth.4217:

briggah.7910:

Grim West.3194:

Holdyir.2918:

briggah.7910:

Or you can do something productive like learn the maps.

^ This. The new maps are a lot better than what people are giving them credit for.

Yep, that’s why everyone loves them so much and there is always a queue.

Going by what you just said the old bl’s were hated then because they never really got queued outside of reset night.

Sarcasm can be hard to read.

The old borderlands were perfect if you were into 5-15 man squad battles, the new borderlands is perfect if you’re into solo flipping stuff with no resistance….

I took the bottom towers on an enemy map, then sat there for the whole duration of my 1 hour food buff before I left because NO ONE was coming out to play. I don’t even think there was anyone on map.

I proceed to EB, the only place where you can find an enemy, I realise all my enemies are farming elite specs in a blob hopping from tower to tower, without a completely levelled spec they are under powered and afraid to leave the blob for an engagement, which by all means is understandable. It’s the mentality being forced upon the players currently. As a roamer it’s very clear when fighting new specs that a lot of people havent maxed it yet but still keen to use new weapon skills.

I read his sarcasm fine. Basically he was saying nobody likes the new maps because they are not queued. So if he is going to use queues as a way to justify a liking to the maps well in the lower tiers we never really saw a queue on them either..

Seriously what you just said is the same thing I have been seeing for about a year now in the lower tiers.. I could solo roam bl’s, flip all camps and also solo flip the south towers. I even took fully upgraded keeps with 4 people and not a single soul would come and stop us. Outside of primetime they were mostly ghost towns. There was times where all I would play was EB map for months because that is where you could find players.

Yes population is dropping but its been dropping long before HoT was even announced.

Xillllix.3485:

Holdyir.2918:

briggah.7910:

Or you can do something productive like learn the maps.

^ This. The new maps are a lot better than what people are giving them credit for.

The new map is actually amazing when you give it a chance, the fights you can get there are really varied. It just needs a better waypoint system and a minimum of 100 players on it.

I think it will be a lot better when its full although it will still have problems like being absurdly over complicated around the side keeps, the obstructions and the centre event. Which leads me to wonder about the further WvW changes, will it be to move to an alliance based megaserver like system which will ensure that at the top end the maps will be full? If so releasing the maps now smacks of idiocy.

There’s the whole guild upgrade process which is an absurd PvE grind not to mention the way our existing upgrades were discarded.

Funny how FSP (OPs server) has been hammering AG border all day. We have actually been having some really great fights. But please, continue whining about how the borderlands are dead and the sky is falling.

Is chronic server stacking, population in-balances, I can’t play with friends that are on different servers, and off-peak capping somehow been fixed?

Long term health of WvW is tied to these problems in my opinion.

Or, is severe server stacking happening again?

It’s just that there’s been an exodus of WvW players…so the Top Tier servers have opened up…and people are migrating up again. Must be pretty crowded in Top Tier.

The fire is burning through the bottom building…players are moving upwards. Those that survive the fire on the bottom floors…are kind of left in the ashes. I’ll probably continue to play in these ashes. Still loyal to my server.

chuckles

Next, you’ll find out Top Tier will turn into Stale Match-Ups, but it will still be very crowded for some reason.

The lack of incentives, taking away the common xp bar, the high cost to WvW guilds to get their buffs back, the required PvE, etc etc. It’s all too much.

Those things did more to kill WvW than the new maps. If there were incentives to play that didn’t include cheesy PvE events then the new maps might have more action.

They are still probably too big, but if they want any players at all to go there then there has to be a tangible reward.

volpenvieh.3201:

UmbraNoctis.1907:

I still won’t find any enemys (because there are not much and even if there are some, i won’t see them because the wonderful map design is blocking my sight).

Work on your map awareness. You’ve got the “marked” buff from sentries, white swords if an objective is under attack and you can easily guess where your enemy is by using a livemap (or just taking a look at those new pop up messages). If you still can’t find any enemies with all of that then I’m sorry to tell you that the servers you are playing against are apparently dead and switching back to the old borders would change nothing.

T1 NA is dead then, because there are almost never players in the BLs