Guild Wars 2

I am just coming back to the game. This idea of dueling on the battlefield didn’t really bother me until the other day. While our Bay Keep was getting trebbed and a mass of baddies were at our gate, I cannoned a guy attacking one of our own. I then got a stream of complaints from my server mate that I interrupted his duel, then he ignored me.

I have two problems with this:
1. If you’re gonna duel, do it somewhere away from the action.
2. If your keep is about to be taken, spare a couple minutes to defend it.

There wasn’t a queue or outnumbered issues, but those could definitely be a problem.

I actually saw this happen again today with a guy who let our EB Keep get run over, which happened to be the last objective we held. HoD – NSP truce and HoD adds from DB are showing some fruit. I think I will have nightmares. Anyhow, my server mate was dueling. It so happened that after that we held the keep against 25 HoD for 15 minutes with only 4 people and some well-placed disablers. Imagine if we had one more.

1. People care about different things. Fact of life.
2. Firing a cannon on a 1v1…. LOL

Either kill them and deal with the abuse from a server mate who lives in buttkittenville or respect the man from buttkittenville and move off and find another to kill.

Block them and kill everybody. It is your right in WvW. Ignore anyone who says a word about how you do it, as it is your right to kill everyone with a red name.

If it’s red it should be dead.

However, if I know beforehand that people are dueling (e.g; I see them emote or ‘bow’ in chat) I’ll leave them alone and go about my business.

It’s wvw though. Stuff happens. Can’t blame you.

if they just added dueling into this game any time in the last 3 years this would be a non issue. all the people who are just wanting to duel can get out of the wvw maps and go fight some where else, and the people who want to fight for objectives and run on tag can get through the ques and play. (probably only a t1 problem)

Zoke.2147:

if they just added dueling into this game any time in the last 3 years this would be a non issue. all the people who are just wanting to duel can get out of the wvw maps and go fight some where else, and the people who want to fight for objectives and run on tag can get through the ques and play. (probably only a t1 problem)

Couldn’t disagree more. The last thing this game needs is a warped reason for the forums to be spammed with more players crying about 1 to 1 balance.

coglin.1867:

Zoke.2147:

if they just added dueling into this game any time in the last 3 years this would be a non issue. all the people who are just wanting to duel can get out of the wvw maps and go fight some where else, and the people who want to fight for objectives and run on tag can get through the ques and play. (probably only a t1 problem)

Couldn’t disagree more. The last thing this game needs is a warped reason for the forums to be spammed with more players crying about 1 to 1 balance.

The combat wasn’t designed with large scale fights in mind but we have a whole mode for it and people have been complaining about fight mechanics there for some time now so duel balance “spam” would be no different as Anet will still focus on sPvP/PvE. At least PPTers would whine less (probably).

I would shoot a cannon too on a 1v1 just to teach them to duel on one of the many desolated spots people can duel at. Fighting next to a keep that is under attack then whining about being interupted LOL.

This is a video game and you can play it as you like. Some people enjoy different things. In WvW, some go there strictly to fight and have no interest what so ever in their server’s score or standing on the scoreboards. You can’t be upset with those people just because like something different than you.

On the note of this person being upset that you interfered however, don’t take it personally. Duels sometimes happen in strange places but the people who are a part of the duel need to realize that in WvW people will often try to help a friend they think is in need. You can’t get upset with someone for interrupting your duel the same way you can’t get upset with the dueler’s for playing how they like. It’s not your fault you didn’t know it was a duel and the person was an @ss for getting upset with you.

I found some solo guy ramming a tower I was trying to defend so naturally I tried to stop him. Unfortunately he outplayed me so I ran inside like a chicken when I was nearly dead. A servermate came along and the other guy stopped ramming to /bow to my servermate. They had a duel and my servermate won, backed away from the guy’s downed body and I came out to stomp him (: I got flamed and called an @sshole and I just said “welcome to WvW, enjoy your stay.”

Zoke.2147:

if they just added dueling into this game any time in the last 3 years this would be a non issue. all the people who are just wanting to duel can get out of the wvw maps and go fight some where else, and the people who want to fight for objectives and run on tag can get through the ques and play. (probably only a t1 problem)

But then the PvErs would be qqing over dueling that don’t affect them.

coglin.1867:

Zoke.2147:

if they just added dueling into this game any time in the last 3 years this would be a non issue. all the people who are just wanting to duel can get out of the wvw maps and go fight some where else, and the people who want to fight for objectives and run on tag can get through the ques and play. (probably only a t1 problem)

Couldn’t disagree more. The last thing this game needs is a warped reason for the forums to be spammed with more players crying about 1 to 1 balance.

Might as well not add anything to the game then, because there are forum complaints every patch. Forums > Gw2, after all.

I attack anyone I want. Even roleplayers from other faction who chill next to people from our server.

Got to admit, if you duel in front of a cannon and I happen to be near it, I’m firing on the enemy.

Plenty of other places to 1v1 without being in the firing line.

As for 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, would be great to have a hotjoin for it as well as matchups, etc as it could be fun.

I have seen some duels also. Nothing against it, but do not complain if you are killed by other player or a zerg. How the others are we supposed to know you are dueling?

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I found some solo guy ramming a tower I was trying to defend so naturally I tried to stop him. Unfortunately he outplayed me so I ran inside like a chicken when I was nearly dead. A servermate came along and the other guy stopped ramming to /bow to my servermate. They had a duel and my servermate won, backed away from the guy’s downed body and I came out to stomp him (: I got flamed and called an @sshole and I just said “welcome to WvW, enjoy your stay.”

You’re as bad as the people that fight a 1v1 and don’t get stomped because the person that won doesn’t care enough/is polite… gets rezzed by 4 buddies that happen to come along and then /laughs over the corpse of the person they just lost to.

It’s unfortunate Anet won’t give us a place to duel. You could say spvp rooms but they don’t allow all the builds wvw does. Also you can’t tell duelers to go into a corner away from everyone because you need to go where people are to find fights.

I wish people in wvw could just get good and then they wouldn’t need to jump on 1v1s just to get a stomp every now and then.

Bishop.6120:

HoD – NSP truce

No such thing, but nice try.

vespers.1759:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I found some solo guy ramming a tower I was trying to defend so naturally I tried to stop him. Unfortunately he outplayed me so I ran inside like a chicken when I was nearly dead. A servermate came along and the other guy stopped ramming to /bow to my servermate. They had a duel and my servermate won, backed away from the guy’s downed body and I came out to stomp him (: I got flamed and called an @sshole and I just said “welcome to WvW, enjoy your stay.”

You’re as bad as the people that fight a 1v1 and don’t get stomped because the person that won doesn’t care enough/is polite… gets rezzed by 4 buddies that happen to come along and then /laughs over the corpse of the person they just lost to.

It’s unfortunate Anet won’t give us a place to duel. You could say spvp rooms but they don’t allow all the builds wvw does. Also you can’t tell duelers to go into a corner away from everyone because you need to go where people are to find fights.

I wish people in wvw could just get good and then they wouldn’t need to jump on 1v1s just to get a stomp every now and then.

And it would be his mistake for not stomping me if I killed him and /laugh’d at him wouldn’t ()()() it? It’s like breaking someone’s arm who has a gun pointed at you then handing them the gun back expecting them not to shoot you, lol.

Yeah, I get kind of annoyed at duelers and what not too. Usually I leave them alone if I see them, but I have no sympathy for them if they get trod on.

vespers.1759:

I wish people in wvw could just get good and then they wouldn’t need to jump on 1v1s just to get a stomp every now and then.

The problem I have with this perspective is that the WvW is team based. Nothing is stopping you from not wanting to cooperate with your team, but people will generally have the expectation that they’re supposed to be helping each other out. Thus, intervening in a 1v1 is simply what you’re supposed to be doing as it will further the chances of your server’s success. It’s similar in PvP. You don’t just abandon your bunker on a node and sit around doing nothing productive just because there’s only one person attacking them.

It’s not always about people “getting good” either. Some builds are better against other builds. They might be running a zerg build and are trying to catch up to their zerg, when they wouldn’t normally be using that build if they wanted to fight 1v1s. Maybe that person was trying to escort yaks when they got attacked. Maybe they were escaping from an enemy zerg and that one person kept on their butt. Maybe it started out as a 2v1 and one of the enemies died. You wouldn’t stop attacking the last opponent standing if their buddy died in a 2v2, after all. So if you just make the assumption that it’s some kind of duel, you might be (or rather, are likely) wrong.

I always intervene in 1v1s by default, because I think it’s worse to assume a 1v1 situation is an organized duel. If it’s not, then you might be abandoning your teammate, and to me that’s more unfortunate than momentarily interrupting someone’s duel.

That’s just my perspective on it though. I like to help out people on my team, even if I don’t really know them, they’re not a very skilled player, or they outnumber the enemy already. If I wasn’t keen on doing that, I probably wouldn’t play WvW. I can understand that some people don’t want to play like that, it’s just unfortunate there’s not a better game mode for them.

They do have dueling in the PvP servers, but the problem there is that there are certain restrictions in the type of builds you can use (due to gear stat restrictions, runes not being present, no food buffs allowed, &c.), so people who want to use their actual builds have no other format than to do it in WvW.

If anyone gets annoyed at me for interrupting a duel, I just tell them to go to the Obsidian Sanctum since people will generally not interrupt them there. In actual fact, I’m surprised people don’t just go there by default, or at least down to the windmill area in the borderlands. In EBG, you can go by the krait skill point since no one goes there. It makes more sense to me that duelers would want to prevent being interrupted, which always makes it puzzling to me why they fight by places like SM gates or right outside a garrison.

If it’s red, i’ts dead.

The only spot I respect duels are below the south camp, since that place already became a popular spot for duels.

Anywhere else, gank it. It’s 5 more stacks on bloodlust.

They’re idiots. They should have been in os if they want an uninterrupted duel.

I really don’t understand why if you want your server to win, you’d prevent your server mate from wasting time of your enemies, it’s always at least 1 for 1, often 1 dueller from your server vs many other duellers from others, all doing nothing to help their own servers. You kill them, they respawn and most of the time go and flip stuff instead of going back to duelling.

Talking about /bow type of duels for those with a severe need to argue about definitions.

I am perfectly ok with dueling. However, there’s a time and a place for 1v1 or group vs group. Just 20 mins ago we had two small groups dueling next to SM in EB. Well, problem is that we had just attacked and taken SM. We were ferreting out stragglers when my buddy and I came across the groups chasing an enemy. Ended up firing into the group since no one announced in map chat that they were doing this. Not really the best place to square off, and of course, the berating afterwards was uncalled for. It’s really just etiquette to announce that you are doing this so people can leave you be instead of thinking “oh sh**, group of enemy are going to attack.” You can kinda tell if there’s one or two people standing back watching as two people go at it someplace off away from the battle, but as I said above, groups need to call it out in chat, and don’t get kitten when a person or group intervenes because it’s wrong location/bad timing/no prior knowledge.

I just use /say. “Need help?”

If the person is duelling, they don’t respond, if they need help, they find the time to say “yes.”

I spend 90% of my time in WvW doing the thankless jobs. If I need 30 minutes to work on my skills in a duel, let me. Duellers never stake, there’s no point, it’s all about learning and improving.

no one can blame you for attacking a red, but in general many people in wvw play with a level of honor: not jumping in to 1v1 or 2v2 or GvG.

Yes, 1v1’ing within cannon range wasnt very bright.
Yes, firing a cannon at or otherwise jumping into someone elses 1v1 without being sure its what they want is often unappreciated, and a lot of people will consider you a mindless zergling for it.

You dont get to dictate that WvW is just about or primarily about PPT. For many its about roaming, fights, group fights, etc.

vespers.1759:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I found some solo guy ramming a tower I was trying to defend so naturally I tried to stop him. Unfortunately he outplayed me so I ran inside like a chicken when I was nearly dead. A servermate came along and the other guy stopped ramming to /bow to my servermate. They had a duel and my servermate won, backed away from the guy’s downed body and I came out to stomp him (: I got flamed and called an @sshole and I just said “welcome to WvW, enjoy your stay.”

You’re as bad as the people that fight a 1v1 and don’t get stomped because the person that won doesn’t care enough/is polite… gets rezzed by 4 buddies that happen to come along and then /laughs over the corpse of the person they just lost to.

It’s unfortunate Anet won’t give us a place to duel. You could say spvp rooms but they don’t allow all the builds wvw does. Also you can’t tell duelers to go into a corner away from everyone because you need to go where people are to find fights.

I wish people in wvw could just get good and then they wouldn’t need to jump on 1v1s just to get a stomp every now and then.

If I find myself about to duel, I use the /beckon emote to have them follow me out of the main paths. But I know, it’s spontaneous and organic sometimes and people die when it happens in a not so secluded spot. Oh well, at least we have unlimited lives In most cases interrupting duels is bad form. Unless you’re just out to troll for a bit, but hey, everyone finds fun in different ways in this game.

Dat thread necro.

Ah, well, since things like this still come up frequently, I’d like to make a request of people like the topic creator who use “2. If your keep is about to be taken, spare a couple minutes to defend it” as an argument.

If you’re going to be the type of coward who fires siege at an even numbered fight, then at the very least, don’t be a hypocrite like the topic creator. Don’t pretend to care about your keep when you obviously don’t. If the keep’s under attack and you actually care, what on earth are you doing to help out by adding on to an irrelevant 1v1 on the side instead of doing something about the threat hitting your gates? Don’t harass the duelers on your server while pretending to have the moral high ground, lol.

Aside from that, could not agree more with gennyt. <3

OS was made so GvG and other duels could be fought in a respected atmosphere. If you duel anywhere in BL but at the windmill you chance having it crashed, so don’t cry if it happens.

Just kill everything. Don’t fall for duelers made up rules and made up “honor” they will jump on you in a heartbeat anyway. It’s a free for all and that is the fun part! Kill it all! If people are dumb enough to fight in range of siege use it! Cannon those 1v1 all day! If they can’t dodge big red circles with a full second warning maybe they shouldn’t stand there.

Just laugh at people that call you coward for using a huge tactical advantage against the egotistical and the slow! It is a video game after all. Not smart enough to avoid siege, then die by it. And don’t forget to send them some salt when they cry about it.

Those saying Duelers never stomp, I laugh at that. Let’s state that correctly. Duelers probably won’t stomp their friends. If you don’t know them good luck with that. Don’t play by other peoples rules designed to give them every advantage. Just kill them and get the bags!

You can try killing them if you want, but usually these people are much better than you and there are spectators from both enemy servers around that will kill you while your guys stand there watching.

That said, there are specific dueling spots (south camp mill, Obsidian Sanctum), that should be used for dueling.

Iavra.8510:

You can try killing them if you want, but usually these people are much better than you and there are spectators from both enemy servers around that will kill you while your guys stand there watching.

That said, there are specific dueling spots (south camp mill, Obsidian Sanctum), that should be used for dueling.

Ahhh, the hate you can get when you’re backing away from an 1v1 when someone interrupts it and then dies is priceless.. better than enemy tears!

Offair.2563:

I would shoot a cannon too on a 1v1 just to teach them to duel on one of the many desolated spots people can duel at. Fighting next to a keep that is under attack then whining about being interupted LOL.

^^This. Is someone makes a duell at in this case the bay keep, he deserves to be shot, stabbed or becoming steamrolled by the next zerg. Preferably best finished with the dancing Quaggan finisher…

WvW is a free-for-all not an arena for people to stroke their ego, there are no rules other than kill or be killed. I have yet to see a ‘dueller’ not running with every buff available and yet they seem to think it makes for a fair fight.

Whatever floats your boat really but don’t complain about the actions of others. If you are ‘duelling’ and get interrupted it is your own fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, no different to being ganked by a blob elsewhere in the game.

I’m sure winning a ‘duel’ in a video game is important enough to put on your CV and shows the world world what a wonderful, stand-up person you are but in WvW your ego means less than nothing to the majority of players

Lots of people in this thread who sound like they’re still bitter over getting killed by better players and are now digging for excuses to avoid a fair fight. Tichai, especially. XD

You will have your dueling in Guild Halls, if you are so stupid you duel in the current game near objectives instead of isolated places, you deserve to die and get ganked good, Nyta especially

What’s wrong, Vikkela? Not a good enough player to win a fight without using siege and humping your door? Taking it out on duelers?

I roam alone, ty, have my share of duels now and then, still think you are stupid

Your words cut me. Oh the pain. <3

Nerd :D

i hate that whisper …dont kill him its my friend….WTF…friends ..go on skype or something

Nyta.4769:

Lots of people in this thread who sound like they’re still bitter over getting killed by better players and are now digging for excuses to avoid a fair fight. Tichai, especially. XD

BS…they come inWvW in full PvP setup to show off against Zerk/blob..setups…Isay kill them eradicate them when ever you can

This topic is about dueling and if you do so with a zerg build, that’s entirely your fault.

I agree with you.

WvW is about capturing/defending objectives.

As I said in another thread, it is not a duelling arena.

If people want to use it as such, that is up to them, but they have to accept that it’s like duelling on no man’s land in WWI and then complaining that someone, on your side, killed the German you were duelling.

In other words, it’s ridiculous and so is he.

Bubi.5237:

Iavra.8510:

You can try killing them if you want, but usually these people are much better than you and there are spectators from both enemy servers around that will kill you while your guys stand there watching.

That said, there are specific dueling spots (south camp mill, Obsidian Sanctum), that should be used for dueling.

Ahhh, the hate you can get when you’re backing away from an 1v1 when someone interrupts it and then dies is priceless.. better than enemy tears!

You probably get hate, because they didn’t realise it was a duel and were trying to help you.

You, then, backing away makes you look like either a coward, or someone who was, intentionally, trying to get someone else involved and then leave them to die.

You should at least appreciate that they were trying to help, even if (as it turns out) you didn’t want their help.

That’s assuming you weren’t, intentionally, trying to get some innocent person involved and then back off, of course.

With some of the locations involved, pretty sure that is what some people are doing.

It’s less duelling and more ensnaring…

The other day, I came across two enemies, apparently, bullying one person, so I stepped in to try to help out and the guy left me 2 v 1.

Fortunately, I was on Mesmer, so I stealthed and left too, but still.

Felt like a set-up, to me.

If you interrupt a duel (without knowing it’s one), you’ll see the player from your server disengaging and most of the time writing in say or whisper to you. If you don’t disengage then, the other one and everyone watching will attack you.

Personally, i would let you live after downing you for the first time. But if you interrupt again, that’s a stomp.

I used to respect duels.

Used to, when people kept to the 1v1 or sat and watched.

Now I don’t care and if a Zerg smashes through I am happy they all eat dirt. Why?

The number of times I’ve seen a hand full of players from all 3 servers duelling only for 2/3rds of them to leap on and gank someone just running past (who is not threatening or even looks like they want to be involved) has filled me with nothing but spite for the little….kittens.

If you’re duelling, if I pass by, I will +1, I will stomp and I won’t feel bad.

apharma.3741:

I used to respect duels.

Used to, when people kept to the 1v1 or sat and watched.

Now I don’t care and if a Zerg smashes through I am happy they all eat dirt. Why?

The number of times I’ve seen a hand full of players from all 3 servers duelling only for 2/3rds of them to leap on and gank someone just running past (who is not threatening or even looks like they want to be involved) has filled me with nothing but spite for the little….kittens.

If you’re duelling, if I pass by, I will +1, I will stomp and I won’t feel bad.

Aw <3

You’re EU aren’t you? Come find me if our servers meet and we can have a few non-ganking duels.

Jayne.9251:

apharma.3741:

I used to respect duels.

Used to, when people kept to the 1v1 or sat and watched.

Now I don’t care and if a Zerg smashes through I am happy they all eat dirt. Why?

The number of times I’ve seen a hand full of players from all 3 servers duelling only for 2/3rds of them to leap on and gank someone just running past (who is not threatening or even looks like they want to be involved) has filled me with nothing but spite for the little….kittens.

If you’re duelling, if I pass by, I will +1, I will stomp and I won’t feel bad.

Aw <3

You’re EU aren’t you? Come find me if our servers meet and we can have a few non-ganking duels.

Ha ha, not interested in duelling, that’s what PvP is for. Just sick of seeing people “duelling” but then as soon as someone runs past they all decide to gank that person then go back to “duelling”.

If they want to be left alone while duelling then they should leave everyone alone, a lot more aren’t now so they can suck eggs.

Ha ha, not interested in duelling, that’s what PvP is for.

Personally, i don’ mind going there but some people prefer the higher build customization WvW offers and the sheer feeling of having a crowd of people around watching you instead of invisible Spectators.

Once HoT hits a lot of Duelers and Guilds might abandon WvW and go to guild arenas, instead.

Ignore them, continue playing-to-win. If they want to duel, they ought to do it where the rules don’t encourage you to simply win fights.

In other words: their loss, not yours.

Nyta.4769:

Lots of people in this thread who sound like they’re still bitter over getting killed by better players and are now digging for excuses to avoid a fair fight. Tichai, especially. XD

Nah, I give as good as I get but then my build isn’t based around being a lean, mean killing machine, I’m a Norn for crying out loud.

For me WvW has nothing to do with duelling and tbh I don’t get the appeal. What does it prove?