Guild Wars 2

In advance, good luck to all! This should be a reasonably close matchup outside of night time.

Maybe Ruins can stay up this time? :O

It’s a bird! It’s a plane! No, it’s Germans flying right over our heads!
Or up the side of the walls!

Wow Dzagonur have increased in numbers since last time we were here! SOOO many at Hills.

o.O

yet another boring week of fighting endless zergs of dzag in unbalanced way
at least we managed to grab ur bay 30 minutes ago, we had like 80 points per tick real crime at that hour
anet pls do something this is stupid

Guys, you are kidding me. Last weeks it was the other servers zerging Dzagonur. When we had to fight underworld or ring of fire they zerged us and we did not whine. And of course there are cheaters, but on your servers there are enough cheaters as well, so please stop cry, kk? In every single thread you cry and cry and cry. Go online and fight and stop cheaters on your server first…

I’ve not seen any cheating myself yet, just sheer numbers… so so many numbers >.< I’m still a strong believer that you can beat a zerg by splitting up and capping 2+ while they cap one… but sadly supply is the limitation here. It works fine for say 2 groups of 20 vs a group of 40 capping, but not 2 groups of 5 vs 40, 4 rams takes down a gate incredibly quick.

Scores @ 4:30am GMT.

Sad that you have to suffer the mass exodus from Millers Sound.
Alot big guilds fled from MS because people there didnt like the practice of Tower swapping with enemys and memser portals. This Event poisoned the whole community of MS because most of us dont support or like exploiting like that.

Sadly for you those guilds, that support easy karmatraining via exploits are now your enemys. They are also famous for thier bad behavior and non existing social skills.
Its a different generation.

Interestingly enough, the first time that Ruins of Surmia fought Dzagonur (back around 2.5months ago) they were in last place, and then got a massive influx – rumoured around 1000 people, but who knows – from Millers Sound… causing them to go from lowest server to one with queues all the time.

Cataclysm.6210:

Our guild saw a lot of false claims of cheating lately. We, in ECL, do not cheat/hack/use exploits.

right… they fly over the wall then come here writing thi bs. its clearly is not point discuss further since you are backing hacking in mass scale, and about screenshots anet will delete them soon as they posted. but dont worry screenshots exist… in reporting section

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Neandramathal.9536:

Interestingly enough, the first time that Ruins of Surmia fought Dzagonur (back around 2.5months ago) they were in last place, and then got a massive influx – rumoured around 1000 people, but who knows – from Millers Sound… causing them to go from lowest server to one with queues all the time.

Well – seriously – get better informants.

The reason why we ended up in 1st place last week was caused mainly by adjusting play patterns because of the holidays. So we took our peek off 19pm CET and distributed a couple of players into a “night shift”, so to say.

That allowed for more or less evenly matched fights during daytime but allowed us to have the upper hand in the nightly hours – thus the increased score.

Thanks, by the way, to all those guys who played at those ungodly hours. I managed to join them twice but I’m too old for this to not disrupt my life for the next three or four days.

The reinforcemments arrived at the end of the matchup when things were already pretty much decided. They do not number in the thousands but are more around 100, possibly less.

And … the best news … STILL no queues on Dzagonur. I don’t think you ever realised how few people we actually were at Dzagonur. If you saw a Zerg in Borderland A and then a Zerg in Borderland B five minutes later it’s entirely posible it was the same people.

Unfortunately SM is broken at the moment – we cannot upgrade it as it seems the last upgrade job went through but the system thinks it is still active and does not allow for a new one. Interesting situation to deal with …

HtFde.3856:

Neandramathal.9536:

Interestingly enough, the first time that Ruins of Surmia fought Dzagonur (back around 2.5months ago) they were in last place, and then got a massive influx – rumoured around 1000 people, but who knows – from Millers Sound… causing them to go from lowest server to one with queues all the time.

Well – seriously – get better informants.

Get better reading skills :P

I said “2.5 months ago”, that was very important part

Neandramathal.9536:

Interestingly enough, the first time that Ruins of Surmia fought Dzagonur (back around 2.5months ago) they were in last place, and then got a massive influx […] causing them to go from lowest server to one with queues all the time.

I disagree – I have removed the ellipsis to show the core of your message … and I stand by my reply: The reinforcements arrived when the matchup was decided and were not the cause of us making first place in the last matchup .

I am not aware that there has been a massive influx of players within the last 2.5 months apart from last Friday – but then again, maybe I need bette rinformamts.

We did, though, try hard to get more of the already exisiting population into WvW and to participate in organized “events”. Alas, it seems, though, that a goodly part of Dzagonur’s population has a strong anarchistic streak … ^^

The matchup I speak of was the second of the 1 week matchups. Dzagonur were, at the end of the 1st 1 week matchup in last place on the ladder, 27th. Ruins of Surmia were in the tier above and then moved down to the bottom tier, thinking “We should be okay here”.

Dzagonur had been in last place for as long as the rankings had been up – last on the ladder, not last in the bracket (although technically same thing). Then they steamrolled with 100% zone control 24/7, ballistas outside spawns etc.

Neandramathal.9536:

The matchup I speak of was the second of the 1 week matchups. Dzagonur were, at the end of the 1st 1 week matchup in last place on the ladder, 27th. Ruins of Surmia were in the tier above and then moved down to the bottom tier, thinking “We should be okay here”.

Dzagonur had been in last place for as long as the rankings had been up – last on the ladder, not last in the bracket (although technically same thing). Then they steamrolled with 100% zone control 24/7, ballistas outside spawns etc.

With the current replies we got from Dz we should be able to see the trend that they do not use any hacks nor exploits whatsoever and those flying mers, wall climber rangers and magically flipped towers are nothing but our imagination, where in their reality they earn their points with 5 people zergs against our zergs of 100 and night capping all 4 maps with “a couple of players on night shift”.

…

On the other hand, I look forward to having some quality fights with RoS this week, see you guys on the field!

Well, if people want to move they can move I have nothing against it – I moved to RoS from Gandara at the beginning of the week longer matchups to avoid queues! Wasn’t trying to criticise for the record, just had a sort of deja-vu of that first meeting with Dzagonur being a very unexpected “WTF Numbers o.O” moment.

Who knows.. maybe in future you’ll see me under a Dzagonur tag

Well, just wanted to say thanks to some nice fights @RoS borderlands.
We were deffing there with a max of 10 people the last ~6 hours, was funny until you guys woke up. Just couldn’t handle it any longer with outmaned buff (esp. because Gunnar was there with a little zerg for like 30 min as well while you attacked hills – lost the 2 spawn towers in that time..).
Lot of destroyed catas @outer wall of bay a few minutes ago while having 6 or 7 persons left on that map :p

However, I’m just a bit sad that we were able to build everything @bay&hills and almost at garrison at well while on the other borderlands & eternal most of the keeps are still far away from beeing completed. Had a bit more hope there. Just 1 waypoint at Dzago borderlands after 14 hours of holding with almost no competition seems a bit lame to me.

Greetings,
Shinis [IL]

Imp’s 3 man team grew tired of your ([IL]) thief groups in our BL at about 4am and went to your BL/EB to see if we could claw some points out there, managed to cap a tower in your BL and our corner back in EB and get it upgraded quite steadily.

… Then the 40 man blob came and took it all back after throwing 6 catapults at the keep walls, at pretty much the same time that we took our BL back actually, seems we both woke up just in different zones lol. I was the only one in EB at one point

So while you were destroying catapults at bay wall I was destroying your catapults at overlook wall… something’s not right there >.>

Ruins were doing fine actually. We managed to keep Dzagonur and Gunnar’s at bay in our own World, plus we were taking alot of ground in the Eternal Battlegrounds. I must say, we had some fun battles against Dzagonur when I was online. The Bay was basically lost, but the Ruins managed to push you out again! Hope to fight to you guys again tomorrow!

Soo, there are Dzagonur hackers taking over borderlands (RoS), All gates and walls fine and yet Dzagonur is inside, they probably did the same to hills and at the southern towers.

And yet Dzagonur claims to not have hackers.
Cliffside lost to them too.

We just lost hills without any broken walls/gates, and [PRO] guild just found trying to kill lord inside garrison – all walls/gates on 100% (I’m there now). No mesmers or anything like that, keeps been ours for several hours and there were players inside it the whole time… all of a sudden keep lords hp bar is dropping.

We lost Cliffside to guild called [PRO] from Dzagonur with walls and gate at 100%. They popped at lord room.. Same way we lost Hills. I sent a scout to check on Hills and he reported that all walls/gates are fine so I suspected bugged guards. Seconds later hills fell.

I’m not going to complain about numbers and being outmanned, that’s fair play. But cheating is entirely different. Arenanet, its time you admit that there is cheating and at least for the love of god give us the option to report for cheating.

AAAND the hackers just took anzalias.

Hackers just tried to take sm, but I was waiting there for them.

They tried to Take mendons now.

Why are they targeting RoS?

Same with Langor and Bravost, all upgrades went to hell. Very [PRO] indeed.

Cataclysm.6210:

Our guild saw a lot of false claims of cheating lately. We, in ECL, do not cheat/hack/use exploits.

I’ve witnessed several of these myself and reported them. I’m quite prepared to believe you don’t condone this and try to discourage this – but we’re still seeing it happen. The only exploit I’ve not personally witnessed is the Dzagonur Luftwaffe but I’ve been online when people are going berzerk with frustration on comms upon seeing Germans flying through the air. I don’t know which guild was doing this, it might not be ECL.

I really hope ArenaNet ban the cheaters pronto. Combined with far superior numbers, the cheating issue is having an extreme negative effect on GH. Why bother fighting when your opponents can easily zerg you to death and then top it off with cheating? (This last comment is not specifically directed at ECL, just cheating in general).

Dear Gunnars- and RoS-Players,
I’m playing on dzag and I can tell you: we’re NOT happy with that things happening.
We’re working on the situation – escpecially the dzag-luftwaffe o.O.

@Ilesyt: thx, saw it, but could not find it again. just saved a copy

Levitikus.4726:

Dear Gunnars- and RoS-Players,
I’m playing on dzag and I can tell you: we’re NOT happy with that things happening.
We’re working on the situation – escpecially the dzag-luftwaffe o.O.

Thank you, Levitikus, much appreciated by honest players on every server, I’m sure!

Very much enjoying the matchup so far, and just had a really fun experience in the EB jumping puzzle!

I’m on RoS, and was going through the puzzle with a guy from my guild and also a few guys from Gunnar’s – we reached one of those gentlemanly agreements with them through emotes to travel together, just for fun.

After a while they were joined by another GH guild called Personae Non Gratae (PNG) who started attacking us (which is fair enough), so we killed them (and didn’t kill our friendly GH bros who also didn’t join in!). PNG came back, so we killed them again, and then all moved on through the puzzle still together.

At one point we encountered a couple of Dzag guys were camping the colosseum room but we were able to pull them down and finish them so the group from RoS/GH could move on.

Me and my friend finished the puzzle and came back to cheer on our GH friends who were still in the colosseum room. All was going well, they were getting further, when PNG turned up again with a mystery friend they’d brought seemingly for the express purpose of killing us as we cheered on people from their server!

We tried not fighting back but they didn’t get the message so we killed one of them and hung back again, but their mystery friend kept attacking and killed us while we were busy ressing each other & trying not to hit any of the friendly people from GH by mistake.

Anyway, much fun was had, so a greeting to my random friends from GH, and a massive lol to PNG and the guy they brought in to help them kill the nasty non-aggressive duo who kept killing them :p

Please can Dzag wait until our hills WP is done before attacking? Thanks!

Better still, escort a dolyak safely from ROS to Hills?

Love,

GH

How did the Ruins do after 3.00 PM. After a three hour siege on RoS Garrison we finally took it at 2.30 PM. Hard fought victory and well deserved!

To ECL GM: Can you get your mesmers out of the wall at bay atm. Cheers. They are hiding in there atm.

EDIT 1: Never mind, they legged it. Also someone with an “IL” guild tag.

EDIT 2: Screenshotted and reported to ArenaNet. Can’t believe I can now see 4 Dzagonur players currently hiding in the geometry right now as I type this. ECL, IL and more.

I was there too… obviously an exploit, against the game’s official rules let alone those of decency and fair play.

Glad I’m not on Dz or I’d feel compelled to leave with this behaviour around me.

I’m on RoS and would like to say that regardless of the result, this has been a very fun matchup this far, ofc aside from the cheating.

Its a shame that Dzg has cheaters when they clearly have a good chuck of good players. Kudos to those on Dzg who condemn these acts. Also, I’d like to add that there has been one person who was caught cheating on our side and a manhunt was issued on him and his guild was informed.

If we see cheaters from our side or not, we will report it and tell them to stop, not go into the cheaters’ portals, like some others did.

It has to be said.. we dont want them haxx0rs.. u can have em all :x

I had fun today and i wish u all many x-mas presents
salute

@thwap: i saved ur screens for discussion on our forum

Roo Stercogburn.9671:

To ECL GM: Can you get your mesmers out of the wall at bay atm. Cheers. They are hiding in there atm.

EDIT 1: Never mind, they legged it. Also someone with an “IL” guild tag.

EDIT 2: Screenshotted and reported to ArenaNet. Can’t believe I can now see 4 Dzagonur players currently hiding in the geometry right now as I type this. ECL, IL and more.

i would prefer to clear those things up by just using one thread. So if there are anymore commets to make on this situation pls use this thread here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Dzagonur-Eclipse-ECL-Imperium-Liberatum-IL/first#post1074260

You can find my opinion there too btw.

You must accept my apologies for the somewhat redundant post, but I felt it was important that you had the opportunity to address this behaviour for yourselves. I put it into this thread initially as it seemed logical, but obviously, the other traffic is going to cause it to be buried, hence my second posting, which is where you intend to address this.

By claiming that it’s not cheating or exploiting it seems. I’m pleased that it reached your attention – hopefully the other guild leaders involved will also see it. We shall see how the discussion goes

merry christmas!

thank you for the presents@gunnars hold

I haven’t witnessed any cheating myself yet, but that spot on the cliffs in southern Bay is a very well known spot and is easy to get to. It has been there since the start of the game and hasn’t been fixed, however, you can clearly see nameplates if you just stand on the walls. I’m pretty sure us on GH use it alot also (from what I hear on mumble)

I must be missing something, unless they got there without breaking the walls/door

Xanti.8672:

i would prefer to clear those things up by just using one thread. So if there are anymore commets to make on this situation pls use this thread here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Dzagonur-Eclipse-ECL-Imperium-Liberatum-IL/first#post1074260

You can find my opinion there too btw.

Any chance someone knows if the thread got deleted or just moved? Can’t find it anymore.

Serba.5027:

I think what ppl complain about is not the spot itself, it’s more the fact that the person is in the wall of the cliff.
But as already mentioned, u can see the name from far away. So it isnt a problem to kill that guy, since the spot is very easy to reach, w/o any odd moves.

You lost me here. You see you can’t see the names from far, or close for the matters. You have to go to the spot yourself, or do the in/out of water thing. At least I don’t know any other way to spot it.

To GH and RoS.
Please report all player that you see for using bugs! You know we got a couple of new Guilds, and apperently, not all of there members know what fairplay means…
The old staff from Dzag try to do all what we can to show them (and others) the right way, but you know, we have no chance to force them to do so.

Wish all players happy christmas!!!

girolan.1207:

merry christmas!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcEDcleRqX8

thank you for the presents@gunnars hold

Thankfully I don’t think I’m in that video, but I was killed many times by the pair of you over the weekend (my excuse is that I’m a ranger). Good player skills and multiple clones is a very difficult combo to take down. I’ll be glad when you go up a tier :P

We did get a little bit of revenge when three of us killed you when you were on Briar Lord, but as I say it was only a little bit.

So, talking about exploiting what was that a few minutes ago @RoS borderlands in bay?
Our bay wasn’t open since 6 or more hours and just out of nowhere you were standing inside with 2 golems via mesmer port. Do you really want to say that someone was hiding that long while we defended several attacks at bay without any gate breaking?
Seriously, I highly doubt that.
I’m here at this borderland since 8 a.m. so I know there was nothing down.

Shini.7542:

So, talking about exploiting what was that a few minutes ago @RoS borderlands in bay?
Our bay wasn’t open since 6 or more hours and just out of nowhere you were standing inside with 2 golems via mesmer port. Do you really want to say that someone was hiding that long while we defended several attacks at bay without any gate breaking?
Seriously, I highly doubt that.
I’m here at this borderland since 8 a.m. so I know there was nothing down.

It’s been open loads of times dude.

And if were to ‘abuse’ we would go straight to inner >_>

It’s sad that all the randoms didn’t listen and started derping or we could’ve had bay….
They missed 3 portals…

Just 15 mins ago my guildie came 1v1 with a GS warr from Dz, killer her, but to his amazement she ressed herself, and used ele skills that 1 shot my friend who was in elixer s mode. Battle log read 57,911 damage lol.

You guys never failed to amaze us.

Zplus.4217:

Just 15 mins ago my guildie came 1v1 with a GS warr from Dz, killer her, but to his amazement she ressed herself, and used ele skills that 1 shot my friend who was in elixer s mode. Battle log read 57,911 damage lol.

You guys never failed to amaze us.

Zplus.4217:

Just 15 mins ago my guildie came 1v1 with a GS warr from Dz, killer her, but to his amazement she ressed herself, and used ele skills that 1 shot my friend who was in elixer s mode. Battle log read 57,911 damage lol.

You guys never failed to amaze us.

Hm .. I’ve fought against Necros who could stealth and teleport and insta-heal, so as long as ANet decides to handle a lot of code client-side I fear we must liev with people who create hacking tools for this game and people who use them.

What strikes me as a bit odd, though, is that the alleged wrongdoer managed to bypass code on ANOTHER client – i.e. strike through Elixis S. This sounds a bit strange to me …

Some datas are handled client side but some ain’t, that’s why if for whatever reason the connection drops or lags between the server and the client, the char can still run about but can’t do any attacks what so ever.

With the spectaculars on show this pass 2 weeks from 1 server nothing really surprises me now.