Guild Wars 2

(Sorry forgotten people, not enough space to put all 6 server names in the title ‘…’)

THis matchup is boring. Ebay/HoD gets first place, NSp/SF 2nd, Dh/FC 3rd place….every week its the same.

HOw many more weeks of this? I thought the idea of the mergers and matchup fixtures was to ‘balance’ the matchups each week. You must have plenty of data by now to see that this matchup is NOT balanced….should we not change it and ‘re-access’?

At this point: I’m fully expecting this beta to last longer than the intended 2 months or whatever. ANd I’m fully expecting that if we get out of beta this will still be the matchup for the first couple weeks.

If the priority isn’t balancing the populations, and its instead on gameplay stuff then why are the matchups locked still? you must have enough data on all the matchups to reach conclusions on where the rankings should ‘restart’ when we get out of beta.

Can’t we just have a few ‘fun weeks’ where the matchups are completely randomized or just ‘different’? I mean you could change the matchups biweekly when u do this, that would give you more data if you needed more….it would give you better data than this stale matchup data. Would allow people to ‘see’ more servers and buy into transferring to them….money is what you need is it not? Beta isn’t supposed to = Boring.
Its the expansions fault we’ve even progressed backwards into a beta state.

Can we get the ball moving a bit faster here…the idea is fun right? Fun levels are reaching the starvation stage.

If you are stuck in a matchup with the same outcome each week (1st/2nd/3rd place status) as welll….please list the matchup in the comments, I wouldn’t be surprised if at least 70% of all servers are experiencing the same verdicts at the end of each week. Never ending vindaloop.

We get new pairings on the 24th

Same thing going on in tier 3 with Mag on top then SoS and SBI fighting for 2nd, for the last 3 weeks or so. While new pairings might change the matchups and keep them from getting too stale, we’ll miss those we have fought alongside in the current pairing.

It will be very nice to have another server on our side like the rest of you :p

Same thing in t2. Same thing in t1. Matchups are stagnant.

NSP has come close to first a couple times.

Yeah so old. We have people taking weeks off because match ups are so stale.

There has been a few very rare 3 way fights on SMC on last week , but the lag is so much that can win over the 3 servers :P……

Did DH received a new server a the last week?

Aeolus.3615:

There has been a few very rare 3 way fights on SMC on last week , but the lag is so much that can win over the 3 servers :P……

Did DH received a new server a the last week?

Did the lag go up for anyone else when they added the 64 bit client a few weeks back?
I went from max graphics setting to playing on low and I still lag around zergs.

Anet thinks a fix is changing a few things to slow down what has been happening all along. Going on four years I think I am about over GW2 at this point. No way should any three servers have to fight each other for months.
WvW needs to be scrapped and something entirely new be implemented. The WvW player base shrinks daily because it is so broken.

Dh is still paired with fc. But 90% of dh left the server

Jim Hunter.6821:

Aeolus.3615:

There has been a few very rare 3 way fights on SMC on last week , but the lag is so much that can win over the 3 servers :P……

Did DH received a new server a the last week?

Did the lag go up for anyone else when they added the 64 bit client a few weeks back?
I went from max graphics setting to playing on low and I still lag around zergs.

Im using the 64bits client, was having skill lag by just getting near of SMC, wanted to pk a few players repairing the wall, since they bail out i imagine no one could fight either, for the map chat convo every one at least on nsp side was having skill lag, even when part of the HoD cluster went to nsp bl some of us could feel the lag from their pvd :P, “skills being spammed”.

Unless things have changed since I left DH, every server in this match does not have the population for T3, we proved that the first week when sbi/cd was down here. Now if they have lost a lot of population then maybe but most likely things have not changed.

Where to?

On SBI, We’ve gotten a “lucky” roll up to t2, and were just completely noncompetitive there and mostly everyone that was crying over the same matchup didn’t show up anyways. If we were to roll down to t4, we’d have way too much population and there would be nothing to do most of the time. Well, actually HOD would be good to go against but what about everyone else?

Be careful what you wish for. Fell free to post any combination that looks good.

The problem is you put in one of those servers a tier higher, and they do not have the numbers to compete while a tier lower they would most likely overwhelm. with numbers.

If you keep changing the servers teamed with, there will be another round of personality clashes with people on one server not wanting to play with the group they paired with so leaving for another server or just dropping out.

Under the current format this hard to resolve.

If you want more match up variety and more balanced match up, you need to have more opponents. With only 12 opponents it’s very unlikely to get 3 opponents with very similar strength in the same match up.

And, since you have 4 big maps to fill, you cannot have more opponents because there is just enough population to fill them.

But, if you reduce the number of maps and split the servers, you could increase the number of opponents by 2 or 4 times.

ArchonWing.9480:

Where to?

On SBI, We’ve gotten a “lucky” roll up to t2, and were just completely noncompetitive there and mostly everyone that was crying over the same matchup didn’t show up anyways. If we were to roll down to t4, we’d have way too much population and there would be nothing to do most of the time. Well, actually HOD would be good to go against but what about everyone else?

Be careful what you wish for. Fell free to post any combination that looks good.

DH suffers from population , nsp/sf only have a good timezone in numbers arround 20-40 that sometimes just dont happen and close to queue it is rare.

If sbi as that much cover might be in pair with hod or a little bit more, hod players could say it better.

Gudradain.3892:

If you want more match up variety and more balanced match up, you need to have more opponents. With only 12 opponents it’s very unlikely to get 3 opponents with very similar strength in the same match up.

And, since you have 4 big maps to fill, you cannot have more opponents because there is just enough population to fill them.

But, if you reduce the number of maps and split the servers, you could increase the number of opponents by 2 or 4 times.

The pairing system was the worst way to go about fixing wvsw by that logic.

Anets game, dying before their eyes.

There’s nothing I hate more than average working individuals. Anet seems to be full of those “I’m satisfied” employees. When you are satisfied that’s the end. This game…has met its end.

I am crossing my fingers that ANET has been able to extract info from the present BETA to actually improve server situations. I have posted b4 that I prefer T4 to higher tiers. But this has really become too redundant. Still believe upper servers shouldn’t be linked, but that is my opinion. I’m certain many will disagree. Can’t expect ANET to fix something overnight that players have created by incessant stacking for years.
Don’t even know why I am posting except out of frustration.

kandle.2367:

I am crossing my fingers that ANET has been able to extract info from the present BETA to actually improve server situations. I have posted b4 that I prefer T4 to higher tiers. But this has really become too redundant. Still believe upper servers shouldn’t be linked, but that is my opinion. I’m certain many will disagree. Can’t expect ANET to fix something overnight that players have created by incessant stacking for years.
Don’t even know why I am posting except out of frustration.

How long is this beta and what are they hoping to accomplish from the data? The only result I’m seeing is less players each week and blow out matches with pointless polls. Doesn’t seem very wise to let this continue if that is their route.

All 4 tiers are the same way right now. They’re relinking the servers on Friday which will hopefully rebalance things.

XTR.9604:

All 4 tiers are the same way right now. They’re relinking the servers on Friday which will hopefully rebalance things.

Think I’ll buy a new PS4 game Friday and let you guys rage on the wvw forums for me

server mergers were never intended to promote balance. they were intended to promote perceived activity, and they have done so. wvw feels more crowded. other things that arent out yet will promote balance.

insanemaniac.2456:

server mergers were never intended to promote balance. they were intended to promote perceived activity, and they have done so. wvw feels more crowded. other things that arent out yet will promote balance.

It was done to promote balance and higher population all around instead of some servers because completely dead 22 hours a day. If it wasn’t done to promote balance, they could have just linked random servers together like FA and Maguuma and caused choas with inbalance. But they didn’t.

re-linking… well I’m glad I moved to a host server… I have no desire to be moved around… Most people seem to be staying with their “slave” servers (don’t mean that in a negative way), but I moved. I understand that re-linking was/is being done to help balance things out. I don’t like it… and I like it at the same time. … and it will continue to amuse me how many people spit venom and know everything about gaming who don’t actually program games instead of finding ways to help make things better. lol, and how many of them say they are going to other games but continue to rage in here… sigh.. ah well.. XTR.. I will likely see you now and then in FA … kick azz!!!

I just hope BP is relinked in T3 personally. I like FA a lot, but the fights in T2 are boring compared to T3.

XTR.9604:

I just hope BP is relinked in T3 personally. I like FA a lot, but the fights in T2 are boring compared to T3.

I’ve enjoyed the BP add as well, nice players and willing to fight. But you are right, T2 is boring with a ppt guild buying DB and broken wagon JQ.

They’ll just have to do a better job of relinking servers to be more in line with each other.

There’s still a population/coverage tier divide as before the links, I’m wondering if their intention is to keep a divide between tiers or to try and make every server combo viable for multiple tiers.

Like currently for an example, the population on the servers may be looking like:

t1 server = 1500 players
t2 server = 1200 players
t3 server = 1000 players
t4 server = 800 players

or are they trying to eventually create:

t1 server = 1125 players
t2 server = 1125 players
t3 server = 1125 players
t4 server = 1125 players

Which is difficult given the state of t1’s population right now. But then again given that there’s players who don’t want to play with zergs or blobs or t1 or 2, I’d guess scenario 1 is more appropriate to work with.

Sounds like a soar loser

XTR.9604:

I just hope BP is relinked in T3 personally. I like FA a lot, but the fights in T2 are boring compared to T3.

Sorry to break it to ya but T3 is a blobfest…

Mag has no guild that will fight you unless they have 50 pugs and/or 2 more guild groups with them.
SBI (CD) has one guild that will most likely be leaving to T2 on the 24th.
SoS gonna lose few guilds that play on NA on the 24th as well.

I think T2 is going to be the place to be for when it comes to fights.
Also T4 will get some new mtchups very soon.

Sadly this is the reality of T3.

Vova.2640:

XTR.9604:

I just hope BP is relinked in T3 personally. I like FA a lot, but the fights in T2 are boring compared to T3.

Sorry to break it to ya but T3 is a blobfest…

Mag has no guild that will fight you unless they have 50 pugs and/or 2 more guild groups with them.
SBI (CD) has one guild that will most likely be leaving to T2 on the 24th.
SoS gonna lose few guilds that play on NA on the 24th as well.

I think T2 is going to be the place to be for when it comes to fights.
Also T4 will get some new mtchups very soon.

Sadly this is the reality of T3.

Fighting mag was boring, they’d chase 5 roamers with 50 people. SBI and SOS were a ton of fun to fight because they have roamers running around. When FA was in T3 and Mag was in T2, T3 was a blast.

Agree that T2 fights are definitely not as good as T3. Too bad FA and Mag can’t just switch places, I think T2 is more suited for Mag and T3 for FA.

Mushin.3928:

Agree that T2 fights are definitely not as good as T3. Too bad FA and Mag can’t just switch places, I think T2 is more suited for Mag and T3 for FA.

Yep, Agreed. But Maguuma intentionally tanked to not be in T2 so they could be in a matchup that they could win. Pretty easy to do for them since all they need to do is just not cap anything and just fight, which they’d rather do anyway lol.

XTR.9604:

insanemaniac.2456:

server mergers were never intended to promote balance. they were intended to promote perceived activity, and they have done so. wvw feels more crowded. other things that arent out yet will promote balance.

It was done to promote balance and higher population all around instead of some servers because completely dead 22 hours a day. If it wasn’t done to promote balance, they could have just linked random servers together like FA and Maguuma and caused choas with inbalance. But they didn’t.

if they had done it for balance, they wouldn’t have left t1 open for transfers, nor would they have even linked t1 servers. but they did.

XTR.9604:

Mushin.3928:

Agree that T2 fights are definitely not as good as T3. Too bad FA and Mag can’t just switch places, I think T2 is more suited for Mag and T3 for FA.

Yep, Agreed. But Maguuma intentionally tanked to not be in T2 so they could be in a matchup that they could win. Pretty easy to do for them since all they need to do is just not cap anything and just fight, which they’d rather do anyway lol.

Not true at all m8. stop making stuff up.

Winner needs to go up and loser needs to go down is the way it should be. who cares if you get rolled, atleast the matchups will be fresh everyweek cause this tier lock crap is a snooze.

I like winner up, loser down … variety in matches, but we would see very volitile matchs every odd week.

But that’s the game, some weeks you will get crushed, some weeks you will crush others … and every now and then you get pitted in some fair fights.

and we don’t see blowouts now without 1 up 1 down? at least there would some variety…

Hexinx.1872:

I like winner up, loser down … variety in matches, but we would see very volitile matchs every odd week.

But that’s the game, some weeks you will get crushed, some weeks you will crush others … and every now and then you get pitted in some fair fights.

Liston.9708:

and we don’t see blowouts now without 1 up 1 down? at least there would some variety…

These guys have the right idea. I could care less to go against a strong server. that means a lot of action. mix it up ANET

I bet after 1 week you would be tired of going up against the strong server.

Liston.9708:

Hexinx.1872:

I like winner up, loser down … variety in matches, but we would see very volitile matchs every odd week.

But that’s the game, some weeks you will get crushed, some weeks you will crush others … and every now and then you get pitted in some fair fights.

Liston.9708:

and we don’t see blowouts now without 1 up 1 down? at least there would some variety…

These guys have the right idea. I could care less to go against a strong server. that means a lot of action. mix it up ANET

we’ve tried WULD back in the wvw tournaments. it was no better than glicko matchmaking.

What about 1U 1D every third or fourth week?

Neither Glicko nor 1U1D is very good. But mixed up they might be better together.

Glicko’s problem is it causes tier lock. 1U1D’s problem is it causes alternating blowout weeks. But if done together then 1U1D would tend to shake out the tiers every once and awhile.

insanemaniac.2456:

I bet after 1 week you would be tired of going up against the strong server. .

Wrong m8. Best week i had was when mag was going up against tc/db when the server links came about. we were outmatched but it was action all day. Now being the top in t3 is a snooze.

jamesdolla.3954:

insanemaniac.2456:

I bet after 1 week you would be tired of going up against the strong server. .

Wrong m8. Best week i had was when mag was going up against tc/db when the server links came about. we were outmatched but it was action all day. Now being the top in t3 is a snooze.

if you say so.

in my experience, its fun for about a day. then you lose your reset night waypoints. then every time your home bl has 2 keeps your color, a zerg 2x the size of your biggest group in eb wanders in and flips whatever has no upgrades and all the keeps for kicks. then half your server leaves for pve for the week because you have no waypoints, not having waypoints is a real mood killer.

sure, its still fun to roam around enemy bls and take camps, especially if you have a few friends to wander around with. and youll prolly manage to keep your eb keep most of the time, just cuz it usually isnt worth attempting. but the only decent maps will be enemy bls, which cuts out half the play space and half the playstyles. maybe it doesnt cut out yours.

Aren’t the servers going to be relinked soon? NSP has come close to winning quite a few times now. Don’t see why is there an issue. Maybe HoD will lose if EBay leaves?

RodOfDeath.5247:

XTR.9604:

I just hope BP is relinked in T3 personally. I like FA a lot, but the fights in T2 are boring compared to T3.

I’ve enjoyed the BP add as well, nice players and willing to fight. But you are right, T2 is boring with a ppt guild buying DB and broken wagon JQ.

lol guilds who join us are mainly fight, but when we have nothing to fight against, what does ppl do? PPT

It doesnt matter, the host lineup will change Friday, and the partners will of course have to change, but T4 will still be the same locked match for the next 2 months.

Short of giving HOD a really low pop partner (if they even exist anymore), and the certainty that this new host and their former host are going to double team NSP nonstop, I don’t see see anything changing for T4 over the next 2 months except maybe NSP getting knocked out of host status and DH moving back up.

jamesdolla.3954:

XTR.9604:

Mushin.3928:

Agree that T2 fights are definitely not as good as T3. Too bad FA and Mag can’t just switch places, I think T2 is more suited for Mag and T3 for FA.

Yep, Agreed. But Maguuma intentionally tanked to not be in T2 so they could be in a matchup that they could win. Pretty easy to do for them since all they need to do is just not cap anything and just fight, which they’d rather do anyway lol.

Not true at all m8. stop making stuff up.

Winner needs to go up and loser needs to go down is the way it should be. who cares if you get rolled, atleast the matchups will be fresh everyweek cause this tier lock crap is a snooze.

Sure seemed that way, and friends of mine on Maguuma said they weren’t trying because DB/JQ were boring to fight. I wish FA would decide to tank back to T3. T3 was way more fun fighting SOS/SBI.

XTR.9604:

jamesdolla.3954:

XTR.9604:

Mushin.3928:

Agree that T2 fights are definitely not as good as T3. Too bad FA and Mag can’t just switch places, I think T2 is more suited for Mag and T3 for FA.

Yep, Agreed. But Maguuma intentionally tanked to not be in T2 so they could be in a matchup that they could win. Pretty easy to do for them since all they need to do is just not cap anything and just fight, which they’d rather do anyway lol.

Not true at all m8. stop making stuff up.

Winner needs to go up and loser needs to go down is the way it should be. who cares if you get rolled, atleast the matchups will be fresh everyweek cause this tier lock crap is a snooze.

Sure seemed that way, and friends of mine on Maguuma said they weren’t trying because DB/JQ were boring to fight. I wish FA would decide to tank back to T3. T3 was way more fun fighting SOS/SBI.

That one week we were in T2 it was the long weekend and VP and DAWN were going full kitten plus you know MAG doesn’t have any ocx or sea. we just get pvded over night as always. Plus, we got a unlucky roll back into T3