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Posted by: celeron.3469

celeron.3469

Any guilds outside of T1 selected?

I know of 2 guilds on a silver league server. I don’t know if they have posted about it yet, though, so I’m not going to announce anything for them.

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Posted by: Chemsorly.3674

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VoTF isnt a PVE guild…

lie

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Posted by: Jayne.9251

Jayne.9251

Lol.

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Posted by: Kitiara.2706

Kitiara.2706

do we get loot bags in here?

I have wondered this, too.

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Posted by: Aerial Melodies.4938

Aerial Melodies.4938

Any guilds outside of T1 selected?

I know of 2 guilds on a silver league server. I don’t know if they have posted about it yet, though, so I’m not going to announce anything for them.

TC definitely had one if I recall another thread about this topic correctly… I would assume Anet has done it’s homework and has tried to pick guilds that have a wide range of function on the field, whether it’s a large T1 guild to a small T6 roaming group. You should also remember that just because a T1 guild fields 40+ players on a map, it doesn’t mean all 40 stack up. Some do, some split up and try to achieve objectives separate from one another.

Interested to see what other T1 guilds got in, though… because I want to know who is getting knocked off those islands first.

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Posted by: Player Character.9467

Player Character.9467

You should also remember that just because a T1 guild fields 40+ players on a map, it doesn’t mean all 40 stack up. Some do, some split up and try to achieve objectives separate from one another.

Wow, I just broke 3 ribs laughing at this joke. Aerial #1 comic NA. JQ not blobbing? I think that violates the terms of a guild transfer contract and means you have to give back what they paid you or something.

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Posted by: Aerial Melodies.4938

Aerial Melodies.4938

Wow, I just broke 3 ribs laughing at this joke. Aerial #1 comic NA. JQ not blobbing? I think that violates the terms of a guild transfer contract and means you have to give back what they paid you or something.

Pssh, wish I got paid – I’m tired of farming bags to get a legendary! I’m going to go complain to the powers that be in T1. HMPH!

PS: You guys are scrappers and I love it. Please tell me some of you made it in (and we get to fight). <3

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Posted by: Omne.4603

Omne.4603

Could you chosen guilds please put brief information up regarding focus and size of your guilds (like “small man roaming”, “gvg” or similar)?

Thanks & best regards

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Posted by: Grotesque.6480

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Extraordinary Gentlemen [EXG] Present, providing a strong WvW core into the Alpha. We are a roaming guild in nature and able to field all aspects of WvW including GvG. We are most definitely looking forward to collaborating with ArenaNet and the community to make this a success.

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Posted by: Player Character.9467

Player Character.9467

Wow, I just broke 3 ribs laughing at this joke. Aerial #1 comic NA. JQ not blobbing? I think that violates the terms of a guild transfer contract and means you have to give back what they paid you or something.

Pssh, wish I got paid – I’m tired of farming bags to get a legendary! I’m going to go complain to the powers that be in T1. HMPH!

PS: You guys are scrappers and I love it. Please tell me some of you made it in (and we get to fight). <3

Only mag guild i’ve heard got in was PYRO so it sounds like you guys won’t have much to do in there when matched with mag.

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Posted by: UltraHiDef.4809

UltraHiDef.4809

They are just slecting PvE guilds.

VoTF isnt a PVE guild…

I saw VoTF farm kraits before the new maps arrived.

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Posted by: Atrophied.8725

Atrophied.8725

Any guilds outside of T1 selected?

I know of 2 guilds on a silver league server. I don’t know if they have posted about it yet, though, so I’m not going to announce anything for them.

TC definitely had one if I recall another thread about this topic correctly…

TC is gold league, not silver, and has at least 3 guilds in the beta. (3 that I know for sure, possibly others)

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Posted by: Devon.9061

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Any Bronze league get in here?

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Posted by: Datsuni.4678

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So basically they chose the guilds they know will give them easy feedback and back of the pveish ideas.

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Posted by: Omne.4603

Omne.4603

So basically they chose the guilds they know will give them easy feedback and back of the pveish ideas.

What does this even mean.

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Posted by: Jayne.9251

Jayne.9251

It will be interesting to see what happens on the existing wvw maps and to the servers while this is being tested.

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Posted by: Sirendor.1394

Sirendor.1394

Any Bronze league get in here?

“DEVON. KILLL THE-” No I’m joking. Not sure actually. Guess I’ll have to send in a request. :P

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Posted by: celeron.3469

celeron.3469

It will be interesting to see what happens on the existing wvw maps and to the servers while this is being tested.

Probably less small guilds that only play for fights, on the PPT maps. Instead they will be on this map because no queue, probably no lag, and its new.

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Posted by: Jayne.9251

Jayne.9251

No no, I mean while testing this … some of the bigger named guilds are all invited it seems. The result for their server’s maps while this is being tested will be interesting because they can’t play two places at once.

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

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Team wasn’t invited. I would be interested if ANY roaming guilds (never more than 5-6 people) get invited.

If not I give up all hope for this new map. It will just be blobby like the wvw maps if they only invite the blobby guilds who run their stacking 15-20+ zergs and feel pro all running right next to some leader spamming aoe and auto attacks.

I hope some roamers get let into the beta so that they can direct the direction of the map away from guilds like this who just blob and make wvw a skilless and no-fun environment.

RIOT is a roaming guild.

Well I hope they will try and drive this map away from the “same old kitten” that anet seems to love. Aka. No 25 man guild blobs all clustered up and moving around the map in seconds to just blob everything they can.

This shouldnt be viable. They need to add skill to the combat by making roaming more viable. Which means bigger maps and more spread out objectives.

25 people is not inherently a blob bro.

15-20+ is a blob. A blob is a group so big that you just spam all your kitten without having to think. A blob becomes a blob when it is favourable to all blob up and abuse the aoe cap

I would bet that my gameplay during those ‘’blob fights’‘, aka gvg’s were more skilled than you would do with your small roaming sessions.

And no need to whine about how skilled roamers are, because I probably also got more hours into roaming than you do.

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Posted by: celeron.3469

celeron.3469

No no, I mean while testing this … some of the bigger named guilds are all invited it seems. The result for their server’s maps while this is being tested will be interesting because they can’t play two places at once.

I know, that’s what I meant as well. I’m sure some of the guilds will just play on this map when it isn’t their prime time and then play the PPT game when it is. But for my myself, and probably my guild, I have no reason to be on the PPT map if this new one is going to have people to fight.

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Posted by: Yaro.3251

Yaro.3251

Not to rain on anyone’s parade, but running massive public WvW tests in the middle of WvW Season 1 is kinda… So you select best of the best (well, there’s hoping. Most active for sure) and just steal chunk of their time they would spend on live WvW…

I dunno…

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Posted by: Junkpile.7439

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Good thing is that league was over after first week.

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Posted by: kosmo.2437

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um…. a day after and not a single video of the new map on yt. What are those pplz doingz

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Posted by: Aerial Melodies.4938

Aerial Melodies.4938

Any guilds outside of T1 selected?

I know of 2 guilds on a silver league server. I don’t know if they have posted about it yet, though, so I’m not going to announce anything for them.

TC definitely had one if I recall another thread about this topic correctly…

TC is gold league, not silver, and has at least 3 guilds in the beta. (3 that I know for sure, possibly others)

Doh! You’re right, I forget we’re in this league thing and all lumped up in one big thing. Was still thinking in tiers, though I hope a lot of guilds below T1 got in (and we get to fight one another!). My bad!

Happy to hear they got a few in. I enjoy fighting you guys whenever we’re thrown in to a matchup together!

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

Not to rain on anyone’s parade, but running massive public WvW tests in the middle of WvW Season 1 is kinda… So you select best of the best (well, there’s hoping. Most active for sure) and just steal chunk of their time they would spend on live WvW…

I dunno…

Hm?
Have the actual tests started then?
I was under the impression that they have only invited people, but not started any actual tests yet.

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Posted by: Lordrosicky.5813

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Team wasn’t invited. I would be interested if ANY roaming guilds (never more than 5-6 people) get invited.

If not I give up all hope for this new map. It will just be blobby like the wvw maps if they only invite the blobby guilds who run their stacking 15-20+ zergs and feel pro all running right next to some leader spamming aoe and auto attacks.

I hope some roamers get let into the beta so that they can direct the direction of the map away from guilds like this who just blob and make wvw a skilless and no-fun environment.

RIOT is a roaming guild.

Well I hope they will try and drive this map away from the “same old kitten” that anet seems to love. Aka. No 25 man guild blobs all clustered up and moving around the map in seconds to just blob everything they can.

This shouldnt be viable. They need to add skill to the combat by making roaming more viable. Which means bigger maps and more spread out objectives.

25 people is not inherently a blob bro.

15-20+ is a blob. A blob is a group so big that you just spam all your kitten without having to think. A blob becomes a blob when it is favourable to all blob up and abuse the aoe cap

I would bet that my gameplay during those ‘’blob fights’‘, aka gvg’s were more skilled than you would do with your small roaming sessions.

And no need to whine about how skilled roamers are, because I probably also got more hours into roaming than you do.

A blob, by very definition, is a group who BLOB UP. As in. When they run past you – instead of seeing individual dots you just see a BLOB as all the dots combine into one. 15-20+ is a blob because the best way to play in this is to all stay close together like a train. Same with GvG – or Blob v Blob. Maybe it takes skills. I have no doubt being a leader of such a blob takes skill. As a player? It doesn’t take any to be honest. It is just about spamming ur kitten. Lame and boring dude.

That isn’t the point though. The point is that if they only invite such guilds who run large guild events (15-20+) then we will get more the same old blobbing with a small map so one guild blob can feel pro covering the whole map.

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Posted by: Player Character.9467

Player Character.9467

Team wasn’t invited. I would be interested if ANY roaming guilds (never more than 5-6 people) get invited.

If not I give up all hope for this new map. It will just be blobby like the wvw maps if they only invite the blobby guilds who run their stacking 15-20+ zergs and feel pro all running right next to some leader spamming aoe and auto attacks.

I hope some roamers get let into the beta so that they can direct the direction of the map away from guilds like this who just blob and make wvw a skilless and no-fun environment.

RIOT is a roaming guild.

Well I hope they will try and drive this map away from the “same old kitten” that anet seems to love. Aka. No 25 man guild blobs all clustered up and moving around the map in seconds to just blob everything they can.

This shouldnt be viable. They need to add skill to the combat by making roaming more viable. Which means bigger maps and more spread out objectives.

25 people is not inherently a blob bro.

15-20+ is a blob. A blob is a group so big that you just spam all your kitten without having to think. A blob becomes a blob when it is favourable to all blob up and abuse the aoe cap

I would bet that my gameplay during those ‘’blob fights’‘, aka gvg’s were more skilled than you would do with your small roaming sessions.

And no need to whine about how skilled roamers are, because I probably also got more hours into roaming than you do.

GvG’s aren’t necessarily blob fights, and if your gvg’s are just blob v blob spam-guard-staff-1-while-pressing-other-skills-and-hoping-they-go-off fights then no, that’s not skill.

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Posted by: Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046

Team wasn’t invited. I would be interested if ANY roaming guilds (never more than 5-6 people) get invited.

If not I give up all hope for this new map. It will just be blobby like the wvw maps if they only invite the blobby guilds who run their stacking 15-20+ zergs and feel pro all running right next to some leader spamming aoe and auto attacks.

I hope some roamers get let into the beta so that they can direct the direction of the map away from guilds like this who just blob and make wvw a skilless and no-fun environment.

RIOT is a roaming guild.

Well I hope they will try and drive this map away from the “same old kitten” that anet seems to love. Aka. No 25 man guild blobs all clustered up and moving around the map in seconds to just blob everything they can.

This shouldnt be viable. They need to add skill to the combat by making roaming more viable. Which means bigger maps and more spread out objectives.

25 people is not inherently a blob bro.

15-20+ is a blob. A blob is a group so big that you just spam all your kitten without having to think. A blob becomes a blob when it is favourable to all blob up and abuse the aoe cap

I would bet that my gameplay during those ‘’blob fights’‘, aka gvg’s were more skilled than you would do with your small roaming sessions.

And no need to whine about how skilled roamers are, because I probably also got more hours into roaming than you do.

A blob, by very definition, is a group who BLOB UP. As in. When they run past you – instead of seeing individual dots you just see a BLOB as all the dots combine into one. 15-20+ is a blob because the best way to play in this is to all stay close together like a train. Same with GvG – or Blob v Blob. Maybe it takes skills. I have no doubt being a leader of such a blob takes skill. As a player? It doesn’t take any to be honest. It is just about spamming ur kitten. Lame and boring dude.

That isn’t the point though. The point is that if they only invite such guilds who run large guild events (15-20+) then we will get more the same old blobbing with a small map so one guild blob can feel pro covering the whole map.

Maybe the map has smaller objectives or more ways to accomplish victory or some intriguing layout that ensures the blob to lose..

ah who am i kidding ^^

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You can spam 1 vs 1 fight too if you want. Many times you win even if you use so brain dead build and spam 1.

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Posted by: Player Character.9467

Player Character.9467

Team wasn’t invited. I would be interested if ANY roaming guilds (never more than 5-6 people) get invited.

If not I give up all hope for this new map. It will just be blobby like the wvw maps if they only invite the blobby guilds who run their stacking 15-20+ zergs and feel pro all running right next to some leader spamming aoe and auto attacks.

I hope some roamers get let into the beta so that they can direct the direction of the map away from guilds like this who just blob and make wvw a skilless and no-fun environment.

RIOT is a roaming guild.

Well I hope they will try and drive this map away from the “same old kitten” that anet seems to love. Aka. No 25 man guild blobs all clustered up and moving around the map in seconds to just blob everything they can.

This shouldnt be viable. They need to add skill to the combat by making roaming more viable. Which means bigger maps and more spread out objectives.

25 people is not inherently a blob bro.

15-20+ is a blob. A blob is a group so big that you just spam all your kitten without having to think. A blob becomes a blob when it is favourable to all blob up and abuse the aoe cap

I would bet that my gameplay during those ‘’blob fights’‘, aka gvg’s were more skilled than you would do with your small roaming sessions.

And no need to whine about how skilled roamers are, because I probably also got more hours into roaming than you do.

A blob, by very definition, is a group who BLOB UP. As in. When they run past you – instead of seeing individual dots you just see a BLOB as all the dots combine into one. 15-20+ is a blob because the best way to play in this is to all stay close together like a train. Same with GvG – or Blob v Blob. Maybe it takes skills. I have no doubt being a leader of such a blob takes skill. As a player? It doesn’t take any to be honest. It is just about spamming ur kitten. Lame and boring dude.

That isn’t the point though. The point is that if they only invite such guilds who run large guild events (15-20+) then we will get more the same old blobbing with a small map so one guild blob can feel pro covering the whole map.

Maybe the map has smaller objectives or more ways to accomplish victory or some intriguing layout that ensures the blob to lose..

ah who am i kidding ^^

Pretty sure it has no ‘victory’ it’s just terrain for pvp.

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Posted by: Yaro.3251

Yaro.3251

Not to rain on anyone’s parade, but running massive public WvW tests in the middle of WvW Season 1 is kinda… So you select best of the best (well, there’s hoping. Most active for sure) and just steal chunk of their time they would spend on live WvW…

I dunno…

Hm?
Have the actual tests started then?
I was under the impression that they have only invited people, but not started any actual tests yet.

I don’t know. But I’m assuming they will start before season ends.

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Posted by: Sirendor.1394

Sirendor.1394

um…. a day after and not a single video of the new map on yt. What are those pplz doingz

They most probably have a non-disclosure agreement, like everyone in the GW2 beta had.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

They most probably have a non-disclosure agreement, like everyone in the GW2 beta had.

They don’t.
But the actual tests have most likely not started yet.

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Posted by: AngelsShadow.7360

AngelsShadow.7360

We aren’t under an NDA, and no, the tests haven’t started yet – we don’t even know when they will actually start. Hold tight, I am sure that as soon as they do, ArenaNet will post about it and Guilds will start livestreaming/making videos.

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Posted by: Sirendor.1394

Sirendor.1394

We aren’t under an NDA, and no, the tests haven’t started yet – we don’t even know when they will actually start. Hold tight, I am sure that as soon as they do, ArenaNet will post about it and Guilds will start livestreaming/making videos.

Oh good to hear. Don’t let us miss out

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Posted by: Moon.6371

Moon.6371

Haha, that Blackdevil guy so full of himself! But yeah, it takes incredible amount of skill to spam ae`s running with your 24 buddies. Can`t wait to experience your roaming qualities first hand, badboy…

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Posted by: Lordrosicky.5813

Lordrosicky.5813

Haha, that Blackdevil guy so full of himself! But yeah, it takes incredible amount of skill to spam ae`s running with your 24 buddies. Can`t wait to experience your roaming qualities first hand, badboy…

haha

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Posted by: aspirine.6852

aspirine.6852

RIOT was selected: http://teamriot.org/riot-has-been-accepted-as-beta-testers-for-the-edge-of-the-mists/

Looking forward to streaming it as much as possible!

Arrogant kitten got selected, nice to see that Anet does not care about that.

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Posted by: Atrophied.8725

Atrophied.8725

Haha, that Blackdevil guy so full of himself! But yeah, it takes incredible amount of skill to spam ae`s running with your 24 buddies. Can`t wait to experience your roaming qualities first hand, badboy…

You haven’t met RedGuard before, have you? You’re in for a world of hurt.

On-topic – ANet is collecting guild information until tomorrow afternoon. I guess we’ll see access to the new map sometime in the week following that.

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Posted by: Datsuni.4678

Datsuni.4678

Based on the posts in this thread the guilds chosen seem to be only eager at streaming and getting “popular”. Most ppl that have reported getting in are just scrubs and will most likely provide anet with the exact feedback anet wants ( rather than giving honest and truthful feedback). Thats what I ment.

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Posted by: Atrophied.8725

Atrophied.8725

I don’t think anyone from CERN streams, at least not regularly.
RoT mainly plays open-field, not ppt – we started as a ‘GvG’ guild, so not ANet’s desired playstyle for WvW by all accounts. :P

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Posted by: Omne.4603

Omne.4603

Given that many high level GvG’s are recorded on youtube its plain ignorant to say 20vs20 is skilless or skill spam. If you GvG any real guild with that attitude of skill spam you will lose.

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Posted by: styx.7294

styx.7294

WvW is a big place for all sorts of thing. While I respect GvG folk, I don’t think it’s the end all of WvW.

Some of the most famous GvG guilds server hop endlessly and well, I don’t think that’s what makes WvW healthy.

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Posted by: KeeZee.7312

KeeZee.7312

The test server “overflow” is to test how they can cram more people into WvW. It is only coming about due to Anet’s expansion into China where they have much larger guilds.

If anything it will increase the amount of players if Anet figures out how to do it without affecting performance.

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Posted by: Lordrosicky.5813

Lordrosicky.5813

Given that many high level GvG’s are recorded on youtube its plain ignorant to say 20vs20 is skilless or skill spam. If you GvG any real guild with that attitude of skill spam you will lose.

Are you really suggesting that gvg, or in fact ANY combat, in gw2 is not just spam? There are very few times in any part of the game that you dont just spam everything. There are exceptions but they are rare. Dont pretend 20vs20 is some skillful arena. It isnt. Not that 5v5 or 1v1 is particularly skillfull either. It is spam too. But slightly less than 20vs 20

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Posted by: KeeZee.7312

KeeZee.7312

Given that many high level GvG’s are recorded on youtube its plain ignorant to say 20vs20 is skilless or skill spam. If you GvG any real guild with that attitude of skill spam you will lose.

Are you really suggesting that gvg, or in fact ANY combat, in gw2 is not just spam? There are very few times in any part of the game that you dont just spam everything. There are exceptions but they are rare. Dont pretend 20vs20 is some skillful arena. It isnt. Not that 5v5 or 1v1 is particularly skillfull either. It is spam too. But slightly less than 20vs 20

According to your logic everything is spam.

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Posted by: Mindtrick.5190

Mindtrick.5190

Given that many high level GvG’s are recorded on youtube its plain ignorant to say 20vs20 is skilless or skill spam. If you GvG any real guild with that attitude of skill spam you will lose.

Are you really suggesting that gvg, or in fact ANY combat, in gw2 is not just spam? There are very few times in any part of the game that you dont just spam everything. There are exceptions but they are rare. Dont pretend 20vs20 is some skillful arena. It isnt. Not that 5v5 or 1v1 is particularly skillfull either. It is spam too. But slightly less than 20vs 20

Have you done them all at the highest level with equal amount of time? Or are you biased and enjoy your game play the most.

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Posted by: BlackDevil.9268

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Haha, that Blackdevil guy so full of himself! But yeah, it takes incredible amount of skill to spam ae`s running with your 24 buddies. Can`t wait to experience your roaming qualities first hand, badboy…

Buka, lol. You guys are scrubs. I saw your mesmer’s post about ‘’gvg build’’. Was funny to see him talking about gvg as roaming scrub. He had no idea what he was talking about.
But ahwell, when we face kodash I wouldn´t mind dueling or 1v2ing anyone of your guild.

Are you really suggesting that gvg, or in fact ANY combat, in gw2 is not just spam? There are very few times in any part of the game that you dont just spam everything. There are exceptions but they are rare. Dont pretend 20vs20 is some skillful arena. It isnt. Not that 5v5 or 1v1 is particularly skillfull either. It is spam too. But slightly less than 20vs 20

Actually it´s funny that you mention this. Because basically what you are saying is:
‘’everything in this game is skillless, because i’ve done it all and i was all pro in everything’’.
Otherwise you could never know that everything is spamming 1 and skillless. That must be making you a super pro pvper. I’d love to fight you some time or see a video and learn from the ‘’real pro’s’’ like you.

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Posted by: Darek.1836

Darek.1836

I couldn’t help but laugh at the OS guy saying they run 25-35 or whatever.. Anyway, OS runs more like 45-60 if anyone cares.

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