Guild Wars 2

Seems like information about the coming update have started to turn up. And the main thing seems to be Edge of the Mists (which will be invaded by Aetherblades).

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/coming-soon-the-edge-of-the-mists/
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/01/28/journey-to-the-edge-of-the-mists-in-guild-wars-2s-next-content/
http://guildmag.com/aetherblades-invading-edge-of-the-mists/

Much earlier than I though, but very nice nonetheless.

I have a few questions with Edge of the Mists. Concerns really since I heard of it’s implementation.

As I understand it, Edge of the Mists is an infinite created map that will house players while they wait for WvW maps to let them in. It will have it’s own scoring system that will be separate from the PPT of WvW. That all sounds great.

The questions that concern me though, what about low pop servers that don’t hit a que? Will they never be able to see that map? What happens if people enjoy that map/play more than they do the WvW maps. Will the WvW maps then become less filled?

Did they also make this Edge of the Mists map so they can throw LS stuff into the WvW scene but without all the backlash from the WvW players?

This is amazing news!

To partly answer Delvoire: You’ll be able to select Edge of the Mists from the dropdown menu/B menu just like any other map. You don’t need to hit queue to access it. Also, I would expect there will be a flurry of activity at first, and then people will migrate back to the borderland maps.

This map is to avoid bandwagon moves from server X to server Y for te top tiers when they got bored of being on waiting list to enter WvW, nothing more.

zhonnika.1784:

This is amazing news!

To partly answer Delvoire: You’ll be able to select Edge of the Mists from the dropdown menu/B menu just like any other map. You don’t need to hit queue to access it. Also, I would expect there will be a flurry of activity at first, and then people will migrate back to the borderland maps.

I imagine in the oposite low tier servers, players will move to this map geting WvW maps even more empty.

I just hope this is not another fail useless content, Anet got plenty of that already.

You can enter Edge of the Mists even without full main-maps. It will always exist not just when other maps are full, and I would assume that real WvW:ers would still focus on the “real” maps.

My body is ready.

What concerns me most is that there will be Aethersh…blade on the map. Why can’t we simply have a wvw without pointless AI mobs running around?

Agony.3542:

What concerns me most is that there will be Aethersh…blade on the map. Why can’t we simply have a wvw without pointless AI mobs running around?

EotM have always been talked about as a map with quite a bit of PvE though.
And I would also assume that the Aetherblade invasion is temporary.

Agony.3542:

What concerns me most is that there will be Aethersh…blade on the map. Why can’t we simply have a wvw without pointless AI mobs running around?

I know, I’m right there with you.

ANet put Living Story PvE into WvW a few months ago and was met with huge backlash… so they decide to do it again? Mind. Blown.

Delvoire.8930:

The questions that concern me though, what about low pop servers that don’t hit a que? Will they never be able to see that map? What happens if people enjoy that map/play more than they do the WvW maps. Will the WvW maps then become less filled?

When you enter EOTM, you’re assigned to one of three servers depending on your colour. That means you’ll be paired up with all the people in other matches that are “Red” that week for example.

This means that there won’t ever really be a population issue since you’ll be playing with and against people from all the other servers in your region (EU can’t fight NA).

Finally some positive news.

Agony.3542:

What concerns me most is that there will be Aethersh…blade on the map. Why can’t we simply have a wvw without pointless AI mobs running around?

Its their atemp to make it GW2 MOBA, map design and LS being to it, smells like that, i just hope im wrong.

Inovative game….WvW siege, wathever.

Well PvE farmers come kill mobs and we can kill them.

I want to complain about PvE in WvW… but for reasons involving loot and carnage I will not.

Edge of the Mists coming next week! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
With Scarlet’s bull kitten inside! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

seriously… WTF?
they didn’t noticed that nobody cares about energy probes in wvwvw like the other temporary pve things added before?

Moloch.8013:

Edge of the Mists coming next week! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
With Scarlet’s bull kitten inside! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

seriously… WTF?
they didn’t noticed that nobody cares about energy probes in wvwvw like the other temporary pve things added before?

Some people (me included) prefer to have a reason for opening up a new map.

Opening it up in order to combat Scarlet for a few weeks is a rather good solution for that.

Moloch.8013:

Edge of the Mists coming next week! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
With Scarlet’s bull kitten inside! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

seriously… WTF?
they didn’t noticed that nobody cares about energy probes in wvwvw like the other temporary pve things added before?

I don’t think that ANet realizes that the huge draw to WvW for a lot of us is that it’s the only form of open-world PvP currently in this game.

For some reason, they seem to think that WvW should be this cute little segue between PvE and sPvP, which simply could not be further from the truth for core WvW players.

account wide WXP? news?

I’m looking forward to this, even with scarlet’s minions inside – should be a little kittenaotic to begin with, and I love the look of the screenshots.

Anything that gives new scenery for wvw.

The most important question is: do we get accbound wxp with it or not?

lordkrall.7241:

Some people (me included) prefer to have a reason for opening up a new map.

Opening it up in order to combat Scarlet for a few weeks is a rather good solution for that.

do you know that you will have to face other players from other servers and not only scarlet’s minion?
and that is the main reason that brought us this new map: a wvwvw overflow map while waiting border’s queue.

Moloch.8013:

do you know that you will have to face other players from other servers and not only scarlet’s minion?

I am fully aware of that yes (unless they release it as a PvE version at first).
And just to be clear I am mainly a WvW-player.

Aside from reset night on a few servers for only maybe an hour or two, are queues even an issue?
I get that plenty of people will want to see a new map at first, but what’s the incentive to go there after you’ve seen it?
It doesn’t count towards your server’s score, so it’s taking even more people out of WvW which is currently a bigger issue. I guess I just don’t understand the overall point of it. A Pvp map with some Pve? Isn’t that WvW already?
I doubt even Blackgate or JQ have queue issues on all maps 99% of the time.
I guess I’d be more excited if completely new maps were introduced for WvW instead of whatever EOTM is. I think EOTM will actually hurt WvW.

Redball.7236:

Delvoire.8930:

The questions that concern me though, what about low pop servers that don’t hit a que? Will they never be able to see that map? What happens if people enjoy that map/play more than they do the WvW maps. Will the WvW maps then become less filled?

When you enter EOTM, you’re assigned to one of three servers depending on your colour. That means you’ll be paired up with all the people in other matches that are “Red” that week for example.

This means that there won’t ever really be a population issue since you’ll be playing with and against people from all the other servers in your region (EU can’t fight NA).

Wow. That’s awesome and thanks for the Info. So essentially on the EOTM map you’ll be mixed with other servers? I like that.

Thanks to everyone who answered some of my questions I posted earlier. It definitely sounds like this map will be fun and well used/needed.

Holy sweet jesus mother of god’s kittens finally.

I’m more exited abount accound bound Wxp than this map…

i hope this is not like skyhammer in big with all those cliffs and bridges- i wish they would just have made it a “normal” map, no flying island…
but maybe its fun anyways.

EoTM seems like its taking on a darkness falls like aspect. Since it has no direct bearing on PPT I can get down with that. Few things more fun then wiping out a group of enemies and stealing the loots!

edit: as an aside, if this hurts wvw population maybe that is a good thing and will show that wvw does need some more attention.

I just love the idea that we’re gonna get to play with a bunch of different servers, how cool is that?? And the areas look so neat. If they have obstacle course styled kinda things, that’s cool. This isn’t your standard WvW map where the layout is really predictable – it’s a little more in depth than that. I mean, I really can’t wait to fight and work with a bunch of different people and just explore the map. Now if they added account bound XP in this update I would cry tears of happiness.

Looks like the LS juggernaut got hold of it and has grabbed it for their own devices- invasions, pve content, and all that crap we usually associate with pve will be there in aboundance.

This isn’t a wvw release at all any more- it’s the latest move by the LS crowd, and any pvp element will be shoved hard by LS rubbish spawning.

Guess the only reason it got made is for the LS, so maybe we should be thankful that they got us a new map, filled with lots of pve, when originally it was going to be a new wvw pvp map….wvw players got screwed over once again.

Any news on account bound wexp? How hard can it be to add up one account’s wvw ranks then apply it across all toons?

This is good news for people looking for more small scale battles away from siege and PPT coverage. Maybe this will stop the every day posting of people hating WvW because of the large scale siege battles it was meant for.

I myself am excited for both game modes, as this opens up options for different types of players, myself included!

Not too happy about the inclusion of the failed living story elements, but I think we are going to get that half content shoved down our throats regardless.

Look at it this way, Victory, at least for two weeks we get to take it out on the poor PvE players who are just there for the living story

Call the WvW guilds to gather…

A horde of free loot bags is coming to complete there achievements…

Build the siege, force them to the cliff edges, then PvE geddon, drive them off the cliffs and collect the loot.

Lemming (PvE player) season declared, starts 4th Feb…

Line up the arrowcarts, trebs…

Kaos.9162:

Look at it this way, Victory, at least for two weeks we get to take it out on the poor PvE players who are just there for the living story

Luls ‘n giggles will be had. Prepare for the amusing party joins: Why did you kill me???? Plorks let me be, I’m here for the LS not PvP!

Kaos.9162:

Look at it this way, Victory, at least for two weeks we get to take it out on the poor PvE players who are just there for the living story

Blood will be spilt on the 4th of February. Leave none alive. Loot bags galore.

Edge of the mists is a mix between the current WvW maps and PvE events. You do have the regular WvW stuff, plus unique boss mechanics that scale similar to PvE. There are also other PvE events that grant buffs to your server on the map (condi removal, regen, etc)

It is targeted more for smaller roaming groups than for large zergs. At least, there are not as many places suitable for large zerg vs zerg fights.

Some people will like it, and some will hate it. It depends on the individual.

account wide WXP? well? updates on that?

Agony.3542:

What concerns me most is that there will be Aethersh…blade on the map. Why can’t we simply have a wvw without pointless AI mobs running around?

Hell no, because when there is no one to fight, we have to either sit around and do nothing, or PvD (and kill NPCs)

They better put acct bound wxp along with this.

Im glad they added LS there, killing PvErs is gonna be delicious

Natronix.9827:

They better put acct bound wxp along with this.

Im glad they added LS there, killing PvErs is gonna be delicious

Yeah, I can’t wait for the account bound wxp to finally come around. I play WvW with multiple characters, and having all those levels on each character would be nice.

Meh, I want to cry when I see all PvP/PvE hate. Where are good old times when both modes were mixed so much they weren’t even considered separate modes? -.- Oh, I know! WvW is a small step in that direction… but ofc ppl moan. As always.

Looks like a big version of the bloodlust ruins, which has turned out to be a haven for people who like to flee in battle.

Delvoire.8930:

I have a few questions with Edge of the Mists. Concerns really since I heard of it’s implementation.

As I understand it, Edge of the Mists is an infinite created map that will house players while they wait for WvW maps to let them in.

Not true. Of course, you can go there while waiting on queue, you do not have to be in queue to go there. You can also be queued and not go there (e.g. play in home border while waiting on EB, or even do some PvE).

It will have it’s own scoring system that will be separate from the PPT of WvW. That all sounds great.

True.

The questions that concern me though, what about low pop servers that don’t hit a que? Will they never be able to see that map? What happens if people enjoy that map/play more than they do the WvW maps. Will the WvW maps then become less filled?

As I already mentioned, you don’t need a queue to go there.

All green servers play together, all blue servers play together, all red servers play together. If you’re on a low pop server, you’ll still get high pop EotM.

Did they also make this Edge of the Mists map so they can throw LS stuff into the WvW scene but without all the backlash from the WvW players?

I doubt it’s a primary concern. I would actually like more LS in WvW, but just handled better. The way they’ve done it, it’s either been so in the way as to be annoying (off-shoots) or completely out of the so it’s ignored (energy probes). I’d like to see LS events that are not obstructing regular WvW play but actually make WvW players want to go and do them, which means they need to be competitive and contribute to either score or wxp.

People should stop complaining and enjoy the content for what it is.

The PvE elements on the map beta preview are actually quite interesting and I myself am convinced that there is a way in WvW to have a nice blend of WvW along with PvE roaming elements.

awesome! I won’t be able to stand to play in EotM very much because falling off the map is so kitten fun that I’ll be doing it on purpose all the time but I love the idea of having more choices about what game mode you want to hit at any given time.

I don’t understand the PvE hate with EotM tho. If this means less PvE on the regular WvW maps and less queues when they introduce the next big AP thing that can be earned with WuvWuv (be it Season 2 or whatever) then how can this be bad thing? If you don’t care for some PvE in your PvP then don’t go to EotM, simple as that and be happy that you wont be seeing queues on the maps you do enjoy.

I think there will be period of population re-balancing again with the introduction of EotM as players figure out what they find most fun and hardcore WvWers return to the regular maps. This will also give ANET the chance to offer some WvW incentives without causing massive queues to kitten off the regular players and a place to put WvW oriented PvE that wont get in the way of people looking to avoid that sort of thing.

Sounds like a win win to me.

PariahX.6970:

awesome! I won’t be able to stand to play in EotM very much because falling off the map is so kitten fun that I’ll be doing it on purpose all the time but I love the idea of having more choices about what game mode you want to hit at any given time.

I don’t understand the PvE hate with EotM tho. If this means less PvE on the regular WvW maps and less queues when they introduce the next big AP thing that can be earned with WuvWuv (be it Season 2 or whatever) then how can this be bad thing? If you don’t care for some PvE in your PvP then don’t go to EotM, simple as that and be happy that you wont be seeing queues on the maps you do enjoy.

I think there will be period of population re-balancing again with the introduction of EotM as players figure out what they find most fun and hardcore WvWers return to the regular maps. This will also give ANET the chance to offer some WvW incentives without causing massive queues to kitten off the regular players and a place to put WvW oriented PvE that wont get in the way of people looking to avoid that sort of thing.

Sounds like a win win to me.

It’s a bad thing because of the opportunity cost. All that dev time spent on EoTM could have been spent on WvW improvements that are far more important and urgent and a big sPvP-looking map.

Is account bound wxp and point reset happening too? I kinda sorta remember someone saying those would happen with the maps release

It’ll be even worse for the PvE people if we do get acct. bound wxp, just that many more people with applied fortitude and strength. I sure do hope we get it this patch, though.

I can taste the sweet PvE bags already.

Chaba.5410:

I can taste the sweet PvE bags already.

Loot hungry PvE heros can be kind of scary.