Guild Wars 2

I’m sure I’ve said this on here but I think it’s safe to say that a sizable chunk of EoTM’s regulars are looking for a champ train. Taking away EotM doesn’t mean they’ll be regulars on the classic maps. Even if they do, I think WvWvW needs more diversity in group sizes and activities, not encourage more fair weather omni blobs rolling over everything because everything but blobbing is pretty much dead.

And another thing, some people are on servers that are dead and EotM is the only semblance of WvWvW they can get without forking over money/gold to transfer.

kroter.1326:

Swagger.1459:

Yup, and those players who prefer to fight and are not afraid to fight, go to eotm where its harder to avoid a fight.

Seriously? Hope you are trolling. I’ve played EOTM for some time before posting all of this, and its typical gameplay is 3 blobs running in circles capping and recapping stuff after each other. If an accidental fight happens – it is a fight when one blob is spamming 1 1 1 on a lord, totally unaware of incoming. They get wiped before they can realize what’s happening. Sometimes I had a feeling many of them were bots, or AFK, or just didn’t know that people can kill you in EOTM and are totally shocked by this discovery. And if a commander announces himself a “fighting commander” he loses half of his blob, people leave him to find a farming overflow.

Today I’ve seen a commander asking his superior in size blob if they want to fight a smaller enemy blob. They decided “Naaaah” and went for another round of capping, recapping and happy farming. Much fights, fast paced nature, so wow.

And seeing how you are proposing in every post to come to EOTM and show “how it’s done” I’m getting more and more convinced that EOTM is stealing players and should be removed.

This is not my experience at all.

I’ve been playing EOTM a lot since the map came out and most commanders are great, yes they do a lot of re-capping but they also give the ‘blob’ (as you put it) frequent combat encounters to keep everyone engaged in the game. Most are certainly aware of death by red players and I’d say 75% of players keep a good eye on the commander and try to follow their instructions. Maybe your experience is a bad one but that doesn’t mean everyone’s is.

I used to be in a hard core WvW guild who did daily training and the effort to train a tight knitted group is high, to expect pugs to have the same level of awareness as a well oiled guild isn’t achievable and shouldn’t be expected or demanded. If you push this expectation on pugs they’ll just ignore you all together which will only hurt your dream of great WvW play.

• EOTM is a toxic breeding ground for undesirable gameplay and including non-competitiveness and combat-avoidance, PvE farming events and objectives intended to be fought over to grind WXP/EXP/karma.

• EOTM has been abused since implementation. Most people probably haven’t experienced it as it was intended. I encourage and all guilds and communities to show them. Butcher them!

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

• If you had watched the preshow from Friday’s live stream (22nd January 2016), you would have seen Reyana explain why people are going to EOTM – because WvW is so quiet at the moment, a Catch 22 situation.

• I think it’s time people stopped pretending that EOTM is it’s own game-type. It isn’t.

Svarty.8019:

• EOTM is a toxic breeding ground for undesirable gameplay and including non-competitiveness and combat-avoidance, PvE farming events and objectives intended to be fought over to grind WXP/EXP/karma.

• EOTM has been abused since implementation. Most people probably haven’t experienced it as it was intended. I encourage and all guilds and communities to show them. Butcher them!

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

• If you had watched the preshow from Friday’s live stream (22nd January 2016), you would have seen Reyana explain why people are going to EOTM – because WvW is so quiet at the moment, a Catch 22 situation.

• I think it’s time people stopped pretending that EOTM is it’s own game-type. It isn’t.

*Eotm is fun and fast paced.

*Lots of player interaction and combat.

*Great for beginners and experienced players.

*Great for solo or group players looking for action.

*Eotm was popular upon release, nothing new.

*WvW problems are dev development problems sorry. Time for y’all to stop making excuses…

*I played WvW up until the last tournament and it’s boring as all get out compared to eotm… Better map than what wvw has to offer too, and more conducive to encourage fighting and making it to objectives in time to catch the enemy or defend…

*You should spend more time there, you might learn something…

@Svarty is right we need to encourage more guild play and fights in EotM. I play it more than WvW now and the fights are much less toxic there. No banners, less pin snipe, less pirate ship. No “calling in the blob” to faceroll in the name of PPT.

Dawdler.8521:

If EoTM is “stealing WvW players”, by that same logic EB is stealing players from the borders (120+ queue on EB, none on borders on reset). Remove EB and WvW population balance is magically fixed! Or something like that.

I doubt any server has a 120 queue anymore. This was from the last reset about 1 hour afterwards. Also you can’t steal players from your own server when they are on different maps because they do generate points for the server no matter what map they are on. Unlike when players go to EoTM they generate zero points for their server.

briggah.7910 isnt map queue @ 80ish????

I have almost sure that is at that value….

Swagger.1459:

Svarty.8019:

• EOTM is a toxic breeding ground for undesirable gameplay and including non-competitiveness and combat-avoidance, PvE farming events and objectives intended to be fought over to grind WXP/EXP/karma.

• EOTM has been abused since implementation. Most people probably haven’t experienced it as it was intended. I encourage and all guilds and communities to show them. Butcher them!

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

• If you had watched the preshow from Friday’s live stream (22nd January 2016), you would have seen Reyana explain why people are going to EOTM – because WvW is so quiet at the moment, a Catch 22 situation.

• I think it’s time people stopped pretending that EOTM is it’s own game-type. It isn’t.

*Eotm is fun and fast paced.

*Lots of player interaction and combat.

*Great for beginners and experienced players.

*Great for solo or group players looking for action.

*Eotm was popular upon release, nothing new.

*WvW problems are dev development problems sorry. Time for y’all to stop making excuses…

*I played WvW up until the last tournament and it’s boring as all get out compared to eotm… Better map than what wvw has to offer too, and more conducive to encourage fighting and making it to objectives in time to catch the enemy or defend…

*You should spend more time there, you might learn something…

I just came from a QQ EoTM map with players mad because they got wiped. Commander rage quit because of all the QQ. Players were leaving to find a new instance that they were not getting farmed in… Best wvw experience I ever had in all my game time. NOT

I was going to stream a full 3 hours of k-training but the first 10 minutes showed me it is not even worth it..

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

Svarty.8019:

• EOTM is a toxic breeding ground for undesirable gameplay and including non-competitiveness and combat-avoidance, PvE farming events and objectives intended to be fought over to grind WXP/EXP/karma.

• EOTM has been abused since implementation. Most people probably haven’t experienced it as it was intended. I encourage and all guilds and communities to show them. Butcher them!

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

• If you had watched the preshow from Friday’s live stream (22nd January 2016), you would have seen Reyana explain why people are going to EOTM – because WvW is so quiet at the moment, a Catch 22 situation.

• I think it’s time people stopped pretending that EOTM is it’s own game-type. It isn’t.

*Eotm is fun and fast paced.

*Lots of player interaction and combat.

*Great for beginners and experienced players.

*Great for solo or group players looking for action.

*Eotm was popular upon release, nothing new.

*WvW problems are dev development problems sorry. Time for y’all to stop making excuses…

*I played WvW up until the last tournament and it’s boring as all get out compared to eotm… Better map than what wvw has to offer too, and more conducive to encourage fighting and making it to objectives in time to catch the enemy or defend…

*You should spend more time there, you might learn something…

I just came from a QQ EoTM map with players mad because they got wiped. Commander rage quit because of all the QQ. Players were leaving to find a new instance that they were not getting farmed in… Best wvw experience I ever had in all my game time. NOT

I was going to stream a full 3 hours of k-training but the first 10 minutes showed me it is not even worth it..

And I’ve been on plenty of maps with great commanders and great competition…

Go tag up and stream it, let’s see your wvw leadership skills in action…

You always need to get in the first prime map. Any after that is going to be lopsided for a bit. I’m still in with 1 hour left and it’s been non stop fighting and some capping along the way.

You just need to work the system if you’re going to run EotM. You can’t just pop in anytime and get a decent map.

Edit: I have 8 champ bags, not much farming.

Swagger.1459:

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

Svarty.8019:

• EOTM is a toxic breeding ground for undesirable gameplay and including non-competitiveness and combat-avoidance, PvE farming events and objectives intended to be fought over to grind WXP/EXP/karma.

• EOTM has been abused since implementation. Most people probably haven’t experienced it as it was intended. I encourage and all guilds and communities to show them. Butcher them!

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

• If you had watched the preshow from Friday’s live stream (22nd January 2016), you would have seen Reyana explain why people are going to EOTM – because WvW is so quiet at the moment, a Catch 22 situation.

• I think it’s time people stopped pretending that EOTM is it’s own game-type. It isn’t.

*Eotm is fun and fast paced.

*Lots of player interaction and combat.

*Great for beginners and experienced players.

*Great for solo or group players looking for action.

*Eotm was popular upon release, nothing new.

*WvW problems are dev development problems sorry. Time for y’all to stop making excuses…

*I played WvW up until the last tournament and it’s boring as all get out compared to eotm… Better map than what wvw has to offer too, and more conducive to encourage fighting and making it to objectives in time to catch the enemy or defend…

*You should spend more time there, you might learn something…

I just came from a QQ EoTM map with players mad because they got wiped. Commander rage quit because of all the QQ. Players were leaving to find a new instance that they were not getting farmed in… Best wvw experience I ever had in all my game time. NOT

I was going to stream a full 3 hours of k-training but the first 10 minutes showed me it is not even worth it..

And I’ve been on plenty of maps with great commanders and great competition…

Go tag up and stream it, let’s see your wvw leadership skills in action…

I don’t know that map like you guys do.. Do I really want to run players off an edge while I’m looking at the map? All I will do is slow down the k-train and make people mad. I come here to make people mad.. In game I’m different and would rather not make people mad..

Aeolus.3615:

briggah.7910 isnt map queue @ 80ish????

I have almost sure that is at that value….

Oh I think you’re talking about map cap size… TBH I’m not sure what it is but I’d say its around that number. Anet may have stated what it was in the past since I recall a thread about it but I really don’t remember what was said..

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

Svarty.8019:

• EOTM is a toxic breeding ground for undesirable gameplay and including non-competitiveness and combat-avoidance, PvE farming events and objectives intended to be fought over to grind WXP/EXP/karma.

• EOTM has been abused since implementation. Most people probably haven’t experienced it as it was intended. I encourage and all guilds and communities to show them. Butcher them!

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

• If you had watched the preshow from Friday’s live stream (22nd January 2016), you would have seen Reyana explain why people are going to EOTM – because WvW is so quiet at the moment, a Catch 22 situation.

• I think it’s time people stopped pretending that EOTM is it’s own game-type. It isn’t.

*Eotm is fun and fast paced.

*Lots of player interaction and combat.

*Great for beginners and experienced players.

*Great for solo or group players looking for action.

*Eotm was popular upon release, nothing new.

*WvW problems are dev development problems sorry. Time for y’all to stop making excuses…

*I played WvW up until the last tournament and it’s boring as all get out compared to eotm… Better map than what wvw has to offer too, and more conducive to encourage fighting and making it to objectives in time to catch the enemy or defend…

*You should spend more time there, you might learn something…

I just came from a QQ EoTM map with players mad because they got wiped. Commander rage quit because of all the QQ. Players were leaving to find a new instance that they were not getting farmed in… Best wvw experience I ever had in all my game time. NOT

I was going to stream a full 3 hours of k-training but the first 10 minutes showed me it is not even worth it..

And I’ve been on plenty of maps with great commanders and great competition…

Go tag up and stream it, let’s see your wvw leadership skills in action…

I don’t know that map like you guys do.. Do I really want to run players off an edge while I’m looking at the map? All I will do is slow down the k-train and make people mad. I come here to make people mad.. In game I’m different and would rather not make people mad..

Tag up and take a leadership role on a map without a commander or wait until reset… Capture objectives, find and kill the enemies, bag farm the enemies… Go lead and win the zone with the highest points… Set the tone and players will follow your command.

Set up your stream and I may even join your squad depending on time and you can lead me too…

Swagger.1459:

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

Svarty.8019:

• EOTM is a toxic breeding ground for undesirable gameplay and including non-competitiveness and combat-avoidance, PvE farming events and objectives intended to be fought over to grind WXP/EXP/karma.

• EOTM has been abused since implementation. Most people probably haven’t experienced it as it was intended. I encourage and all guilds and communities to show them. Butcher them!

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

• If you had watched the preshow from Friday’s live stream (22nd January 2016), you would have seen Reyana explain why people are going to EOTM – because WvW is so quiet at the moment, a Catch 22 situation.

• I think it’s time people stopped pretending that EOTM is it’s own game-type. It isn’t.

*Eotm is fun and fast paced.

*Lots of player interaction and combat.

*Great for beginners and experienced players.

*Great for solo or group players looking for action.

*Eotm was popular upon release, nothing new.

*WvW problems are dev development problems sorry. Time for y’all to stop making excuses…

*I played WvW up until the last tournament and it’s boring as all get out compared to eotm… Better map than what wvw has to offer too, and more conducive to encourage fighting and making it to objectives in time to catch the enemy or defend…

*You should spend more time there, you might learn something…

I just came from a QQ EoTM map with players mad because they got wiped. Commander rage quit because of all the QQ. Players were leaving to find a new instance that they were not getting farmed in… Best wvw experience I ever had in all my game time. NOT

I was going to stream a full 3 hours of k-training but the first 10 minutes showed me it is not even worth it..

And I’ve been on plenty of maps with great commanders and great competition…

Go tag up and stream it, let’s see your wvw leadership skills in action…

I don’t know that map like you guys do.. Do I really want to run players off an edge while I’m looking at the map? All I will do is slow down the k-train and make people mad. I come here to make people mad.. In game I’m different and would rather not make people mad..

Tag up and take a leadership role on a map without a commander or wait until reset… Capture objectives, find and kill the enemies, bag farm the enemies… Go lead and win the zone with the highest points… Set the tone and players will follow your command.

Set up your stream and I may even join your squad depending on time and you can lead me too…

You know how some people don’t like the new BL’s? That’s how I feel about the EoTM map.. I prefer desert bl to that one lol

Good defense action today in EotM.

Swagger.1459:

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

briggah.7910:

Swagger.1459:

Svarty.8019:

• EOTM is a toxic breeding ground for undesirable gameplay and including non-competitiveness and combat-avoidance, PvE farming events and objectives intended to be fought over to grind WXP/EXP/karma.

• EOTM has been abused since implementation. Most people probably haven’t experienced it as it was intended. I encourage and all guilds and communities to show them. Butcher them!

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

• If you had watched the preshow from Friday’s live stream (22nd January 2016), you would have seen Reyana explain why people are going to EOTM – because WvW is so quiet at the moment, a Catch 22 situation.

• I think it’s time people stopped pretending that EOTM is it’s own game-type. It isn’t.

*Eotm is fun and fast paced.

*Lots of player interaction and combat.

*Great for beginners and experienced players.

*Great for solo or group players looking for action.

*Eotm was popular upon release, nothing new.

*WvW problems are dev development problems sorry. Time for y’all to stop making excuses…

*I played WvW up until the last tournament and it’s boring as all get out compared to eotm… Better map than what wvw has to offer too, and more conducive to encourage fighting and making it to objectives in time to catch the enemy or defend…

*You should spend more time there, you might learn something…

I just came from a QQ EoTM map with players mad because they got wiped. Commander rage quit because of all the QQ. Players were leaving to find a new instance that they were not getting farmed in… Best wvw experience I ever had in all my game time. NOT

I was going to stream a full 3 hours of k-training but the first 10 minutes showed me it is not even worth it..

And I’ve been on plenty of maps with great commanders and great competition…

Go tag up and stream it, let’s see your wvw leadership skills in action…

I don’t know that map like you guys do.. Do I really want to run players off an edge while I’m looking at the map? All I will do is slow down the k-train and make people mad. I come here to make people mad.. In game I’m different and would rather not make people mad..

Tag up and take a leadership role on a map without a commander or wait until reset… Capture objectives, find and kill the enemies, bag farm the enemies… Go lead and win the zone with the highest points… Set the tone and players will follow your command.

Set up your stream and I may even join your squad depending on time and you can lead me too…

I’m still learning the map myself but it’s a decent setup for a single 3 way map. Used to think the PvE elements were too much but it’s nothing compared to the new WvW.. LOL.

Svarty.8019:

• EOTM is a toxic breeding ground for undesirable gameplay and including non-competitiveness and combat-avoidance, PvE farming events and objectives intended to be fought over to grind WXP/EXP/karma.

• EOTM has been abused since implementation. Most people probably haven’t experienced it as it was intended. I encourage and all guilds and communities to show them. Butcher them!

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

• If you had watched the preshow from Friday’s live stream (22nd January 2016), you would have seen Reyana explain why people are going to EOTM – because WvW is so quiet at the moment, a Catch 22 situation.

• I think it’s time people stopped pretending that EOTM is it’s own game-type. It isn’t.

I did say something of the sort.

There’s also plenty more legit WvW’ers these days in here, because why? Because WvW atm sucks for a lot of them.

Though that’s hardly the only reason people go there.

But I have a problem here. I’m afraid the narrative that EOTM is pve and noncompetitive and whatnot isn’t exactly very compatible that the audience there is going to go to WvW and do anything productive.

If WvW were actually functional for people, then they’d easily go back. Again:

This is the equivalent of having your house burned down and having to stay in a shelter. Is tearing down the shelter going to make you go back to live in the burned ruins of your house? No! Fix the house!

Nobody is being forced to play the game. Ultimately, they are somewhere by choice. You can encourage people by presenting more desirable choices as opposed to taking them away and deciding what’s good for them.

I’m not going to lie. I think EOTM was very badly implemented. But it is what it is and it’s changed into something else. Even squatters get to stay there if it’s long enough.

Loosmaster.8263:

You always need to get in the first prime map. Any after that is going to be lopsided for a bit. I’m still in with 1 hour left and it’s been non stop fighting and some capping along the way.

You just need to work the system if you’re going to run EotM. You can’t just pop in anytime and get a decent map.

Edit: I have 8 champ bags, not much farming.

I was more just being a skritt with what I said above as I’ve leveled a bunch of alts in EoTM and know that some maps are better than others. Its pretty much just like the new HoT maps.. You either get a good map or stuck in bad ones till the events reset :P

Look, at the moment, EotM gives better fights and better rewards than WvW, especially the Deserted Boredomlands. Even EBG is less than fun/queued most of the time. Until WvW is fixed (more fun, better rewards) all the whining and cajoling in the world won’t change player behavior. WvW is dead; as we all can see, anything they do will be far to little, far too late. CU in CU or Crowfall…

Why you even care about rank’s lol… mostly people go to eotm to farm Hero Points and level up who cares about wvw rank’s i just care to fill my skill’s from wvw rank nothing else. so eotm is not even a problem.
And idk wich server you guys are but in mine is not dead wvw or eotm ( Gandara ) we always have queue’s not after 1 am tho

ArchonWing.9480:

Svarty.8019:

• EOTM is a toxic breeding ground for undesirable gameplay and including non-competitiveness and combat-avoidance, PvE farming events and objectives intended to be fought over to grind WXP/EXP/karma.

• EOTM has been abused since implementation. Most people probably haven’t experienced it as it was intended. I encourage and all guilds and communities to show them. Butcher them!

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

• If you had watched the preshow from Friday’s live stream (22nd January 2016), you would have seen Reyana explain why people are going to EOTM – because WvW is so quiet at the moment, a Catch 22 situation.

• I think it’s time people stopped pretending that EOTM is it’s own game-type. It isn’t.

I did say something of the sort.

There’s also plenty more legit WvW’ers these days in here, because why? Because WvW atm sucks for a lot of them.

Though that’s hardly the only reason people go there.

But I have a problem here. I’m afraid the narrative that EOTM is pve and noncompetitive and whatnot isn’t exactly very compatible that the audience there is going to go to WvW and do anything productive.

If WvW were actually functional for people, then they’d easily go back. Again:

This is the equivalent of having your house burned down and having to stay in a shelter. Is tearing down the shelter going to make you go back to live in the burned ruins of your house? No! Fix the house!

Nobody is being forced to play the game. Ultimately, they are somewhere by choice. You can encourage people by presenting more desirable choices as opposed to taking them away and deciding what’s good for them.

I’m not going to lie. I think EOTM was very badly implemented. But it is what it is and it’s changed into something else. Even squatters get to stay there if it’s long enough.

Your analogy is bizarre and doesn’t correlate to the problem, but other than that we agree:

EOTM is;

• poorly implemented,
• abused, and
• encourages undesirable gameplay.

All of these are, in my opinion, arguments it’s removal at least until Arenanet have the resources to correct the problems with it (i.e. the end of time).

This is especially the case now that there are no longer enormous queues.

Svarty.8019:

ArchonWing.9480:

Svarty.8019:

• EOTM is a toxic breeding ground for undesirable gameplay and including non-competitiveness and combat-avoidance, PvE farming events and objectives intended to be fought over to grind WXP/EXP/karma.

• EOTM has been abused since implementation. Most people probably haven’t experienced it as it was intended. I encourage and all guilds and communities to show them. Butcher them!

ArchonWing.9480:

If people wanted to wvw instead of EOTM they would. They’re not there for a reason. If you remove EOTM, there’s no guarantee they’ll go to WvW.

• If you had watched the preshow from Friday’s live stream (22nd January 2016), you would have seen Reyana explain why people are going to EOTM – because WvW is so quiet at the moment, a Catch 22 situation.

• I think it’s time people stopped pretending that EOTM is it’s own game-type. It isn’t.

I did say something of the sort.

There’s also plenty more legit WvW’ers these days in here, because why? Because WvW atm sucks for a lot of them.

Though that’s hardly the only reason people go there.

But I have a problem here. I’m afraid the narrative that EOTM is pve and noncompetitive and whatnot isn’t exactly very compatible that the audience there is going to go to WvW and do anything productive.

If WvW were actually functional for people, then they’d easily go back. Again:

This is the equivalent of having your house burned down and having to stay in a shelter. Is tearing down the shelter going to make you go back to live in the burned ruins of your house? No! Fix the house!

Nobody is being forced to play the game. Ultimately, they are somewhere by choice. You can encourage people by presenting more desirable choices as opposed to taking them away and deciding what’s good for them.

I’m not going to lie. I think EOTM was very badly implemented. But it is what it is and it’s changed into something else. Even squatters get to stay there if it’s long enough.

Your analogy is bizarre and doesn’t correlate to the problem,

What exactly doesn’t the analogy correlate to? People are going to EOTM because WvW is unplayable. If you remove EOTM, the next logical step is to not play the game and find something else to do until WvW proper is fixed. You fix world vs world by fixing world vs world.

If you zapped EOTM immediately right now, would not every single other problem with WvW exist?

Who cares about population distribution or a player base when the content isn’t even worth playing?

To simplify, for some people:

Unplayable = WvW < EOTM

Remove EOTM from the equation. What does that actaully solve?

but other than that we agree:

EOTM is;

• poorly implemented,
• abused, and
• encourages undesirable gameplay.

All of these are, in my opinion, arguments it’s removal at least until Arenanet have the resources to correct the problems with it (i.e. the end of time).

Actually, I don’t think that’s an absolute truth, but I’m just going with the popular narrative

Which are all player generated issues. It’s not inherent in the design.

Yet, somehow, one expects these same players that consciously turned the game mode like this to go back to WvW in the absence of EOTM to make it better, instead of doing these very same things or even wanting to play WvW. It’s ridiculous to have both things going at the same time.

It makes about as much sense as removing open world pve and expecting people will be fine with raids.

None of this would happen if WvW was able to stand on its own. It doesn’t atm.

Look, to make things clear, you can’t call EOTMers a bunch of toxic noobs that avoid fights, and then saying the same bunch of toxic noobs is good for WvW. By that logic, it’s good they’re not in WvW. I don’t know. Maybe if you wanted EOTMers to come back over, the best approach wouldn’t be to constantly look down on them as subhuman, trying to remove their content, pretending they know nothing about the game, and expecting them to pledge their loyalty to you.

This is of course ignoring the fact that karma train pvds also exist in WvW proper, so….

Svarty.8019:

EOTM is;

• poorly implemented,
• abused, and
• encourages undesirable gameplay.

What are you talking about?

• In comparison to the rest of the game (especially WvW) I think it was a very smooth and hassle free implementation.
• How is EOTM abused? Please enlighten me.
• What is the undesirable game play? We work as a cooperative group, cap towers and fight other groups, whats wrong with that?

Personally I don’t think any of your points have any basis when looking at EOTM on it’s own. If you’re putting it in the same basket as WvW then I can see why you’re upset, I mean who wants to play on an inferior map (IMO) with less action and reward?

At the end of the day we all just want to have fun so how is EOTM taking away from your fun if you spend your time in the borderlands?

As pointed out by some people in this thread, EOTM is currently way more popular than WvW. why? Because:

1. It is faster paced

2. You can farm certain things like exp, proofs of heroics, memories of battle, WvW ranks etc. easily

3. More fights because map is smaller and you will encounter the enemy more frequently

The above stated reasons are why anyone would want to go into EOTM

Now, lets look at why some WvW players go to EOTM instead of staying in EBG or their own BL

1. The BLs are dead, empty, poorly designed, too big

2. WvW itself is broken so there’s fewer people in there = empty = bored

3. Because of point 2, EOTM is the place for quick action.

Yes, the EOTM population greatly outnumbers the WvW population now. kitten commander, I see way more and have way more in my squad even when I’m on the outnumbered side of the match than i have in EBG.

Removing EOTM is not going to solve the problem of WvW being broken. The devs screwed it up with their mismanagement. In fact, removing EOTM will remove a much greater number of players than removing WvW will.

I’ve had alot of fun in EOTM. Ask anyone in the BL (red) side. I’m Miss Raz the mesmer and I’ve had an awesome zerg whenever i was on

i love EoTM, if they change the 4 maps on BL and EB to EoTM maps that would be awesome, more karma, more capping more killing, not like the current PPT so much boring…..

is Edge of the Mist a solution?

This blaming eotm for all the wvw woes is like blaming fractals for what happened to dungeons. Also, you can’t think lesser of players just because they do not share the same game mode enjoyment as you. All players play for various reasons, and different things appeal to different people.

You all are entitled to your opinion, but eotm is popular for reasons. Instead of being negative about it, go pop on a commander tag and build up the community that plays there. Maybe if some of you are proactive and teach players about the competitive aspects of the game, you may ultimately encourage more people to play wvw when the big update comes…

It’s easy to complain or blame, and I know the wvw community has suffered enough, so perhaps we can make something positive happen instead while we all wait for the devs to fix up wvw.

kroter.1326:

lil devils x.6071:

I think you misunderstand what EoTM is , it was not added to give people something to do, it was meant to be the testing ground for what they planned on implementing in WvW.

I think you didn’t really read my initial post.

It doesn’t even serve as a testing ground anymore.

When was the last time they actually tested something there before implementing it in WvW?
The testing ground is WvW itself now.

No.. most of what was implemented with the DBLS was tested in EoTM.. they never stopped testing in EoTM.. they have been testing server alliance mergers in EoTM… I do not think people understand that is what has actually been happening, but it never stopped. Anet never stopped or changed what it is used for. Players just seem to think it is because they do not understand how the mechanics work behind the scenes for much of what is added to the game.

If something else (EOTM) is pulling players away from WvW, the solution is to bring WvW make WvW better to compete with EOTM, not make EOTM worse by removing it. Forcing people to do something they don’t want to do will never succeed in a game. You need to attract people to WvW by adding to it and making it better, not by removing all other options.

You’re basically saying “the problem with WvW is that there are other things people can do that are more fun; remove those things and they will have to wvw, which is good.”

The reality is, people do other things because wvw sucks in a lot of ways, just make it better and players will come. Is this hard to understand, that you have to make things good to attract people?

MSFone.3026:

If something else (EOTM) is pulling players away from WvW, the solution is to bring WvW make WvW better to compete with EOTM, not make EOTM worse by removing it. Forcing people to do something they don’t want to do will never succeed in a game. You need to attract people to WvW by adding to it and making it better, not by removing all other options.

You’re basically saying “the problem with WvW is that there are other things people can do that are more fun; remove those things and they will have to wvw, which is good.”

The reality is, people do other things because wvw sucks in a lot of ways, just make it better and players will come. Is this hard to understand, that you have to make things good to attract people?

100% agree with this.

To be fair, if we mained EOTM we would have less to complain about given how it has way less problems than wvsw. WE would even go so far as to say WvsW should just be removed.

If we mained WvsW we would probably blame EOTM though…and want it removed.

So…obviously there are problems when the fully decked waiting arena retains as many players as the actual intended gamemode.

I see a lot of WvW players who complain about EOTM and they keep saying that EOTM is not “real WvW”. The thing is, it’s NOT WvW even tho it is SIMILAR. EOTM is viewed more as a separate game mode BY THE PLAYERS. It may not be a game mode in itself because of what it was originally implemented to do but many people that i know THINK of it and SEE IT THAT WAY.

If you want to remove WvW, that wont solve the problem at all. Removing a game mode that people love will just make them quit and move on to other games.

Case in point: People loved WvW, It was very different then just like how EOTM was different when it was first implemented. Over time, it changed and ow it sucks, prompting many to do something they dont like or quit the game entirely. EOTM is like that. Make EOTM suck or remove it, and people will want to quit or be forced to do something that they dont like.