Lately I was thinking about EOTM.
This map is “the solution” for queue and well everything. It is big so people are forced to make smaller groups rather than blobs.
And then I realized that because of this and the fact there will be no queue on EOTM, and that it will have “fresh look”, this map will be more played than regular battlegrounds.
We may see on smaller servers(not T1 and T2) that regular battlegrounds will not have enought people because everybody will go to EOTM for “better fights”
And for the worst, what is the income from EOTM? We know it wont affect PPT. But what will it affect? Because of that fresh look it will be very popular. If EOTM was released year ago, it will not be a problem as people was exploring this game, but now after a year, people have regular maps explored and will move to other map.
And this is what concerns me. I play on smaller server. And I can mostly see guild groups of 15-20 players fighting against blobs. And I was asking myself. Will these guild groups continue fighting and loosing against blobs(with no chance to win) or will they move to other map for “funny” fights?
I believe that the Edge of the Mists is a huge folly.
I like the idea of new maps. I don’t like the idea of pandering to servers who have huge queues simply because they have huge queues. Those people choose to be on the servers with queues, they should have to suck it up – that’s how population balance is supposed to happen.
I believe that giving them something to do instead of queuing will devalue the main Scoring-game, possibly to the point where people want to do Edge of the Mists instead of the Scoring-game.
When it comes to the smaller servers, I find it more difficult to think what may happen, but I think it could get people playing for it’s PvE content when the enemies are thin in number.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
When I go through these forums, I hope the devs get psychological counseling. Whatever they do, it’s never right. Let’s group hug them, for once, because there are way more things that work fantastically in this game than there are quirks.
Yes, totally off topic – or is it?
What you are suggesting probably will happen. Im talking to a large number of guilds now and all of them plan on spending a very significant portion in EOTM.
1) Many people/guilds are bored/ of the original maps.
2) There won’t be map blobbing
3) The map seems to require some semblance of actual strategy
4) The terrain looks immensely fun allowing it to come into play in more unique ways.
5) PPT just makes people hide inside towers and behind siege.
What i am envisioning, will be guild groups of 15-30 running around doing their own thing just looking for fights, and I am very excited about this.
This map shouldve been the original wvw map, or they flat out just need to replace the original maps with this one, otherwise I do agree, that wvw will be dead when this goes live, especially if there is a reliable method of getting your guild/party in.
EOTM simply seems alot more fun at this point and is a dream come true for guilds that just want to fight and not deal with map blobs. There won’t be any annoying coverage issues etc or care about points or whatever the scoring system is. Just stress free fighting and ganking.
Even worse: If I got the design right your first priority on EOTM is your match EOTM, only if this one is full you are able to go to general overflow EOTM.
If you are stuck in an imbalnced match EOTM is no way out, you are stuck in your imbalanced EOTM as well. Only on a large server where “your” EOTM is full you are able to enter the fairly populated EOTM overflow maps.
EotM maps should always be close to full, since it will be a map selection like obsidian sanctum is now. Even though you have a choice to go to EotM if you are in queue. Heard A-net said EotM match-ups will be short like a 24hr match.
Alot of roamers will select EotM instead of roaming on a borderland once it is out. No server focus fights just pugs zergs. It is supposely difficult to get your entire guild into the same EotM match. At best you will be able to get your 5 man havoc squad in on the same team.
One of the things I will love about EotM are the 3 different factions. Orge(desert), Troll(jungle), and Koda(ice). So you never know what to expect from those npc and the lords will not be a easy fight. The only gripe I have with EotM is it has some ledges like skyhammer in spvp making some area a easy spot to ambush players. Previdew video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfIg0VrXUDU
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When I go through these forums, I hope the devs get psychological counseling. Whatever they do, it’s never right. Let’s group hug them, for once, because there are way more things that work fantastically in this game than there are quirks.
Yes, totally off topic – or is it?
Guess what ? that’s why we have CMR that read forums for them and do short resume of the good ideas. Ppl can moan and kitten whatever they wants, they are not on 1st line, that is not their job. Dev do things that are on roadmaps. a roadmap that is created by:
Game designers, ppl that are (well) paid for doing their own job : give a direction to the devs. Everytime a videogame studio listened too much to forums (aka Game Designers spent too much time on it), game became sooner or later a big stinky peace of s….
Thx god, GW2 isn’t going that way, at least not yet.
That new map is a good idea. but most of the competitives guilds wont use it a lot, even as waiting room. At best that will be an “off-raid days” map.
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When I go through these forums, I hope the devs get psychological counseling. Whatever they do, it’s never right. Let’s group hug them, for once, because there are way more things that work fantastically in this game than there are quirks.
Yes, totally off topic – or is it?
Oh man, we need more people like you in the forums!
Complains about Edge of the Mists! Man, some people are never, ever happy!
I wonder about you guys who think there will be “no blobs” on the edge of the mists.
Servers like Drakkar Lake never do anything with groups of less than 50, and they like running over people. Can you guess how they are going to deal with EoTM?
Yep, they will blob it.
My posts are facts as I know them, or my own opinion, and do not represent any guild.
Well I started this topic because I see only excitement about EOTM, but I dont think it will be that great. At least for lower populated servers where every person is a loss in fight on borderlands.
Yes those servers who can fill all 4 maps will not be touched by this new map. But I can see some troubles for smaller servers. For those servers that have a lot of 15 man guilds fighting in imbalanced matches against 50 man groups.
Those servers are already annoyed by this and EOTM may be escape from this stereotype.
But when more and more groups will go to EOTM, less people will be at borderland and thus they will go to EOTM too.
And dont forget about “fresh” feeling when everybody will want to try this new map. And with overflows that will be possible for everybody.
I am just concerned what this new map WITH OVERFLOW can bring to smaller servers. And what just crossed my mind, is this a test before merging servers? With WvW overflow, that may be possible even with current map cap.
Edge of the Mists:
- no PPT, so nothing you will do here will have immediate impact on matchup
- no queues as EOTM will have overflows
- more PvE
-new map design with various parts like deset, floating islands etc.
- only 3 waypoits in each corner(i know there is “emergency” waypoint, but those are near each other)
When I go through these forums, I hope the devs get psychological counseling. Whatever they do, it’s never right. Let’s group hug them, for once, because there are way more things that work fantastically in this game than there are quirks.
Yes, totally off topic – or is it?
Oh man, we need more people like you in the forums!
Complains about Edge of the Mists! Man, some people are never, ever happy!
Waaah waaah, who is worse? The person who complains about the problem, or the person who complains about the complaining?
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
Yes. I think its a good idea. Gives me a bit of badge farming while I wait to enter real WvWvW but from what I understand it will have no actual impact on ranks and score.
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People like to zerg, it’s low pressure (if you get wiped, you don’t feel it was personally your fault) but you still feel like you contributed (you did get the loot after all!).
So those servers that have big enough queues will zerg in the new map as well. Those servers that struggle to get maps filled will lose “regular” WvW population.
Besides, it’s still server A vs server B vs server C, right? So any population imbalance between the three servers will likely be mirrored in this new map.
Without any incentive like the league chests, the current WvW maps – EB and the BLs will become an empty waste lands when EOTM comes out. People don’t care about PPT now. They sure has heck won’t care when the shiny new, “queue-less” EOTM map comes out and there are no league chests to potentially win.
I know I’m looking forward to the new and fresh maps and the loads of FUN it’s going to be doing something other than the old stale maps we have now.
I believe that the Edge of the Mists is a huge folly.
I like the idea of new maps. I don’t like the idea of pandering to servers who have huge queues simply because they have huge queues. Those people choose to be on the servers with queues, they should have to suck it up – that’s how population balance is supposed to happen.
I believe that giving them something to do instead of queuing will devalue the main Scoring-game, possibly to the point where people want to do Edge of the Mists instead of the Scoring-game.
When it comes to the smaller servers, I find it more difficult to think what may happen, but I think it could get people playing for it’s PvE content when the enemies are thin in number.
So, either you’re assuming that people knew what the WvW queue was like for their server before they rolled there or you think that people should just be punished for landing in what turned out to be a high queue server…
Neither one of those really stands as a good argument.
The newness will wear off and should effect most servers equally, the servers that can keep a good force in regular wvw will have a good chance to push rating.
also is it really that bad to get people who care little to nothing about PPT off maps that effect PPT?
If EOTM is just three match-up servers overflow all players who like to fight might stack in same tier so there would be good EOTM action in every match-up. Optimal situation would be that there wouldn’t be any servers. Guilds and parties would get in same overflow and same team (blue, red or green).
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Edge of the Mists:
- no PPT, so nothing you will do here will have immediate impact on matchup
- no queues as EOTM will have overflows
- more PvE
-new map design with various parts like deset, floating islands etc.
- only 3 waypoits in each corner(i know there is “emergency” waypoint, but those are near each other)
I want some new gameplay elements to WvW. nothign of that seem like a new gameplay element. just new versions of old features.
I believe that the Edge of the Mists is a huge folly.
I like the idea of new maps. I don’t like the idea of pandering to servers who have huge queues simply because they have huge queues. Those people choose to be on the servers with queues, they should have to suck it up – that’s how population balance is supposed to happen.
I believe that giving them something to do instead of queuing will devalue the main Scoring-game, possibly to the point where people want to do Edge of the Mists instead of the Scoring-game.
When it comes to the smaller servers, I find it more difficult to think what may happen, but I think it could get people playing for it’s PvE content when the enemies are thin in number.
Just questioning you a bit:
Let’s say you’ve been on a low tier ranked server since day 1 and a bunch of WvW guilds transfers to your server. Your server rises up in rank and thus attracts lots of bandwagoners, and now, you’re stuck with 3hours+ queues. Should you still ‘’suck it up’’ even that you didn’t really choose to be a server with queues?
Edge of the Mists is the single best update they have made to date, let me give you an example:
Blackgate vs Sanctum of Rall vs Maguuma
SoR/Mag know they can’t compete with BG for overall PPT so they won’t even try. Their entire playerbases will move into Edge of the Mists. SoR outnumbers Mag so SoR will occupy EotM 1-4 while Mag occupies EotM 1-2.
So you will have this situation:
EotM 1-2 - 40v40v40
EotM 3-4 - 40v40v0
EotM 5-10 and 4 regular maps - Blackgate vs Nobody
There’s no way to queue directly into different overflows of the mist. So it’s not like Blackgate players will be able to queue for EotM 1-4. They will have their choice of playing on 4 empty regular maps or an empty EotM map.
Literally 80% of Blackgate’s playerbase will not even have 1 enemy player to fight against. Their maps will be completely devoid of enemy players. They will have to transfer if they want to fight against other players again.
I believe that the Edge of the Mists is a huge folly.
I like the idea of new maps. I don’t like the idea of pandering to servers who have huge queues simply because they have huge queues. Those people choose to be on the servers with queues, they should have to suck it up – that’s how population balance is supposed to happen.
I believe that giving them something to do instead of queuing will devalue the main Scoring-game, possibly to the point where people want to do Edge of the Mists instead of the Scoring-game.
When it comes to the smaller servers, I find it more difficult to think what may happen, but I think it could get people playing for it’s PvE content when the enemies are thin in number.
Just questioning you a bit:
Let’s say you’ve been on a low tier ranked server since day 1 and a bunch of WvW guilds transfers to your server. Your server rises up in rank and thus attracts lots of bandwagoners, and now, you’re stuck with 3hours+ queues. Should you still ‘’suck it up’’ even that you didn’t really choose to be a server with queues?
Yes.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
I’m glad they’re making this new map and I hope that decide to make it a “real” map. My personal thought is that all four WvW maps should appear unique from one another. Although, each Borderland should still be worth the same potential points as one another.
Edge of the Mists is the single best update they have made to date, let me give you an example:
Blackgate vs Sanctum of Rall vs Maguuma
SoR/Mag know they can’t compete with BG for overall PPT so they won’t even try. Their entire playerbases will move into Edge of the Mists. SoR outnumbers Mag so SoR will occupy EotM 1-4 while Mag occupies EotM 1-2.
So you will have this situation:
EotM 1-2 – 40v40v40
EotM 3-4 – 40v40v0
EotM 5-10 and 4 regular maps – Blackgate vs Nobody
There’s no way to queue directly into different overflows of the mist. So it’s not like Blackgate players will be able to queue for EotM 1-4. They will have their choice of playing on 4 empty regular maps or an empty EotM map.
Literally 80% of Blackgate’s playerbase will not even have 1 enemy player to fight against. Their maps will be completely devoid of enemy players. They will have to transfer if they want to fight against other players again.
It’s a great kittening update.
Predict the future more please. It is still in the early testing phases so no one knows what it will actually be like. This kind of QQ happens for everything Anet says they will release. If it sucks when it’s implemented then is the time to complain.
Edge of the Mists is the single best update they have made to date, let me give you an example:
Blackgate vs Sanctum of Rall vs Maguuma
SoR/Mag know they can’t compete with BG for overall PPT so they won’t even try. Their entire playerbases will move into Edge of the Mists. SoR outnumbers Mag so SoR will occupy EotM 1-4 while Mag occupies EotM 1-2.
So you will have this situation:
EotM 1-2 – 40v40v40
EotM 3-4 – 40v40v0
EotM 5-10 and 4 regular maps – Blackgate vs Nobody
There’s no way to queue directly into different overflows of the mist. So it’s not like Blackgate players will be able to queue for EotM 1-4. They will have their choice of playing on 4 empty regular maps or an empty EotM map.
Literally 80% of Blackgate’s playerbase will not even have 1 enemy player to fight against. Their maps will be completely devoid of enemy players. They will have to transfer if they want to fight against other players again.
It’s a great kittening update.
You forgot the many people who will leave EotM after losing to even numbers over and over again – In your system there will still be movement in EotM 1-2.
