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why are we (FA) gettin put against yak’s and TC again. they do nothing but secure their own lands and work together to try and demoralize us at our borderlands. when we would set out to take back a land from yaks we would push them back into the tower or keep and then TC coast would just appear with their zerg behind us and yaks would render rush cushing our zerg but yet they wouldn’t fight amongst themselves (vise versa). i demand justice.

When someones on the offensive the other side has prime opportunity to push the overexposed target. It’s strategy 101 frustrating but the way it is. But anyhow good luck

ah how wrong am i sir everytime we were in persuit of tc yaks zerg would show dont tell me no i seen with my own 2 eyes and nether of u would dare enter combat wit each other ( TC and YAK’S).

my tears are delish u say, but not as good as my steel u will see

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the leading world using a situation where the 2nd-place world is pushing the 3rd-place world to try to set the 2nd-place world back and extend their advantage in the match.

The fights were extremely fun, and the match was surprisingly even.

yes it was fun for u and ur allies but no for us wha fun was there for us in having to deal with 2x the threat in our lands and none in urs. and how was it even plz explain cuz from wha i saw there was nothing even about the matter.

I am so glad you have your own thread. =P

“Allies” huh?

It is hardly allies between YB and TC, but threads like this just encourage people to attack you more than YB. Squeeze the Yaks and they don’t cry.

Your “elite squads” and self-congratulatory manner are why I personally lead attacks on your Borderlands, it has nothing to do with Yaks and everything to do with Q_Q.

edit: And stomping on the 3rd place player hardly seems sporting. Does that seem sporting to you? Fort A. is the bigger threat to TC, you get more attention. It is that simple. If you want to carry on deluding yourself, you’re more than welcome to, but it isn’t doing you, or your server, any favors.

BronzeDealer.9857:

yes it was fun for u and ur allies but no for us wha fun was there for us in having to deal with 2x the threat in our lands and none in urs. and how was it even plz explain cuz from wha i saw there was nothing even about the matter.

This is my final post in this thread, as the first was to illustrate that not everyone in Fort Aspenwood is like the OP, nor shares his views, since generalization seems to be a problem on these forums.

I’m on Fort Aspenwood.

Not the highest quality video, but it gets the point across.

Bronze, we fought hard against overwhelming odds, and we’re stronger for it. This will just make us tougher, and better. See it as an opportunity. I’ve been annoyed as heck too this week as I havent been able to strike at helpless dolyaks and camps as easily as I’m used to. Sometimes I’ve seen TC side of EB as a walled off no-entry zone. (Good job on that btw, I can normally kill every dolyak and sentry in a teams area without ever fearing for my life). I’ll just have to get better at sneaking in.

Besides if you really feel that Yaks and TC intentionally allied and 2v1ed us, then take it as a compliment.

just thought I’d add that I don’t think you guys did ally up or any of that non-sense. Honestly this is what I felt might have been the reason why are BL got attacked alot.
1. FA is a very aggressive server. We are still improving our defensive game. So we were just a bit easier to attack.
2. FA was in 1st or 2nd the whole game, so TC concentrated on us because we were the bigger threat.
3. YB might have focused on us a bit more b/c our stuff was easier to take and they just wanted points. This game was very close, when everyone has 200+ potential points, it matters less who you take a tower from.
4. Not sure about this one at all, but its a feeling I’ve had. I’ve felt that maybe the Yaks don’t like us in FA for the almost come back 2 weeks ago. There were some bitter conversations on the thread back then. It could be that a real rivalary has been born?

(it is true that the BL fights were a little less than exciting. I tried a few times to get something going in YB BL and every time we took something a lot of probably bored Yaks would show up hoping for a good fight only to find the couple of us).

Anyways, cheers everyone. It was fun to have a close match up. Good fights, and good work to everyone. I hope you all have a great day, and I’ll see you on the battle field.

CandIeJack.9352:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVv95Zsyvt4

Not the highest quality video, but it gets the point across.

Most invigorating keep defense I have to say, my repair bill made my cry but it was oooh so worth it in the end.

Especially when Tarnish came walking in with two golems and we had NO siege up I thought were were going to lose the keep for sure.

Even if it’s happening (which I doubt it), posting about it isn’t going to help, it’s just going to put a bigger target on our backs and give us a bad reputation. If we are getting doubled teamed then it’s a great opportunity to get better. It’s a 3 faction PvP game, it may happen once and a while, especially in the higher tiers.

first off i would like to thank candlejack for that video post backuping my story, i am not accusing tc and yaks of being allies it just seemed that way when i just so happened to be on WvW. and it was constantly ocuring that yaks and tc would be where we were at the same time, is this a coincidence or just so happened to be that yaks was goin to be attacked by tc. idk i am just telling ya wha i expieranced first hand.

as for the players on FA that think of themselves as not part of the elites r part of the zerg which is not bad the bigger the zerg the better always. bedinar yes i do agree we r targeted more cuz of our shear presence on the battle field, well just in WvW alone. and yes we do need to work on defensive planning better, but yes there is a rivalary and why is it we r the greater threat when tc is just as much a threat to yks as well.

Urrid why is there such negative bias against FA? why do we not have the right to boast about the doings and achievements of our elites? why dont they deserve praise, they r some of the best players the server has to offer, does TC have none to offer or YKS? we dont do it to rub in anyone face but to be proud and show the best we have to offer like the videos on youtube. i am almost positive if it was the other way around u or any other would feel as we do on FA.

Why do we all have to put up with FA’s constant whinging for another week is the bigger question?

also bedinar we do see it as a good thing and yes it does make us stronger

Props to TC for great strategy this match. During my playtime, you showed great discipline in focusing #2, while limiting aggression on #3 and thus encouraged them to help you cement your win. /salute.

Look forward to playing this one again (and again most likely lol)

As to OP…. anonymous first time poster? TC’er RPing as FA player to rally the troops? :P (joke) That would be brilliant as well actually.

because relentliss this is how it is when people dont like something they complain just like the complain of the hacking ele’s

Threads like this are the number one reason I steered most of my groups toward FA targets in the latter half of this week, largely ignoring Yaks. Yes, FA have been our fiercest competition in points, but the last few days, I just really want to hear your teeth grind.

That being said, however much kvetching and however many conspiracy theories I’ve seen on the boards this week, you guys put up one HECK of a fight at your keep this afternoon. When we marched in with the two Omegas, I thought for sure we had it that time. It was a wonderful battle, and one of my favorite WvWvW moments (if you can call an hours-long battle a moment).

I’m very much looking forward to this next week. I think we’ll all be better teams for having played each other.

@rhonyn
As an outsider looking in on your two servers I will say it appears to me the difference this matchup between FA and TC has been strategy (both servers are incredibly strong opponents).
Despite what it would appear to some Yaks (atleast the people I play with) have not been focusing one server over the other. If we weren’t shoring up our own borderlands we spent an even amount of time in the other two.

The difference being that whenever we attacked FA borderlands, TC would generally concentrate on pushing up their side of the map so we would push up ours. However whenever we went to TC borderlands, FA would be attacking us rather than focusing on their own side. Case in point, we had south east tower, FA had south west. We were building trebs at the se supply camp to attack the east keep when the entire FA force came across and attacked us at the camp, destroying our trebs. Naturally, we left TC borderlands at that point and went to FA instead.

AH Sir Ukridge yes indeed by far thus was a good battle or moment if u shall care to call it so, i do have to say as well TC has been more of a thorn than yak’s but! why give up the opportunity to take some easier lands from yaks but instead go for the harder lands, and as for yaks when TC was attacking us (FA) why not take from TC, granted TC is by far the fastest BL to upgrade keeps and such.

I don’t think we’ve been intentionally double teamed, but even if we have been it should be taken as a compliment. We’ve done fine despite being focused heavily by YB & TC. We do need to work on our defensive game though, it is weak because when we perceive that we’re “finished” with a zone we move out, leaving all that work to be snatched away quickly. We need a bit more communication between the zones to migrate attackers to defense when the enemy’s main force arrives. This is what this post should’ve been about, not tears about being double teamed.

we do take it as a compliment

Hasnt this topic been closed a couple times now?
But.. no teaming has been done at all, both sides have been very up front w that.. taking things in our advantage maybe ie we see yak hitting, waiting for the moment then going in once its been weakened etc but theres no stopping you from doing the same. FA has done amazing at defending, Yak has some great pushes. Overall this has been a great match cant wait for reset.. and start all over again! =)

rhonyn.6810:

Props to TC for great strategy this match. During my playtime, you showed great discipline in focusing #2, while limiting aggression on #3 and thus encouraged them to help you cement your win. /salute.

Look forward to playing this one again (and again most likely lol)

As to OP…. anonymous first time poster? TC’er RPing as FA player to rally the troops? :P (joke) That would be brilliant as well actually.

This gives me an idea – we should get a TC group to roleplay another server every week. One week, we can RP as FA and make a D/D elementalist group while complaining about being double-teamed, the next we can RP as CD and camp the jumping puzzle, and then as Blackgate and dance on your corpse while we build a ballista ON TOP of that flame ram that we already completed while you were downed. Finally, we’ll RP Sea of Sorrows, and build 20 siege golems in order to destroy a storm node.

BronzeDealer.9857:

AH Sir Ukridge yes indeed by far thus was a good battle or moment if u shall care to call it so, i do have to say as well TC has been more of a thorn than yak’s but! why give up the opportunity to take some easier lands from yaks but instead go for the harder lands, and as for yaks when TC was attacking us (FA) why not take from TC, granted TC is by far the fastest BL to upgrade keeps and such.

Yak’s Bend’s BL was the hardest map to cap any points on, I think that’s why it stayed in their hands for almost the entire week. Their defense is incredibly strong. Too strong :P

Mada.5319:

BronzeDealer.9857:

AH Sir Ukridge yes indeed by far thus was a good battle or moment if u shall care to call it so, i do have to say as well TC has been more of a thorn than yak’s but! why give up the opportunity to take some easier lands from yaks but instead go for the harder lands, and as for yaks when TC was attacking us (FA) why not take from TC, granted TC is by far the fastest BL to upgrade keeps and such.

Yak’s Bend’s BL was the hardest map to cap any points on, I think that’s why it stayed in their hands for almost the entire week. Their defense is incredibly strong. Too strong :P

Yes, they have a very strong yakpen

Classic! But I say if we are going to be accused of this over and over, why don’t TC and YB actually do it? So a question to FA: if you were to face a REAL 2v1, what do you think would happen?

lessurl.6107:

@rhonyn
As an outsider looking in on your two servers I will say it appears to me the difference this matchup between FA and TC has been strategy (both servers are incredibly strong opponents).
Despite what it would appear to some Yaks (atleast the people I play with) have not been focusing one server over the other. If we weren’t shoring up our own borderlands we spent an even amount of time in the other two.

The difference being that whenever we attacked FA borderlands, TC would generally concentrate on pushing up their side of the map so we would push up ours. However whenever we went to TC borderlands, FA would be attacking us rather than focusing on their own side. Case in point, we had south east tower, FA had south west. We were building trebs at the se supply camp to attack the east keep when the entire FA force came across and attacked us at the camp, destroying our trebs. Naturally, we left TC borderlands at that point and went to FA instead.

What was Yaks big picture strategy? I didn’t see much of an attempt to hold TC back once they took the lead on Sunday….yes their points are harder to take….they are the server with the highest rating, and larger population so of course they are going to be…knocking the #1 off isn’t ever going to be the easier target (they are generally #1 for a reason).

I fully agree though that FA overall could do much better at strat/coordination and picking targets. We’ve been beat by both your servers in the past iirc.

I’m going to be honest; I dislike Fort Aspenwood. Our last matchup with HoD, I think, left a really bitter taste in my mouth and I couldn’t wait to finish. Not trying to say your whole server is like this, but there really are a lot of whiners; every single matchup thread, there is always someone disputing the score, saying that it must be 2v1 or the endless ‘if only’. If only they would stop nightcapping. If only we had more people, then we would stomp all over them.

That might not be what your server thinks as a whole, but it’s annoying a lot of people. When you look back at previous matchup threads, can you really blame us for purposefully focusing on your server?

Usagi.4835:

I’m going to be honest; I dislike Fort Aspenwood. Our last matchup with HoD, I think, left a really bitter taste in my mouth and I couldn’t wait to finish. Not trying to say your whole server is like this, but there really are a lot of whiners; every single matchup thread, there is always someone disputing the score, saying that it must be 2v1 or the endless ‘if only’. If only they would stop nightcapping. If only we had more people, then we would stomp all over them.

That might not be what your server thinks as a whole, but it’s annoying a lot of people. When you look back at previous matchup threads, can you really blame us for purposefully focusing on your server?

Then you’re just self-fullfilling prophecy and in general making things worse. So stahp, plz.

Zen.2450:

Usagi.4835:

I’m going to be honest; I dislike Fort Aspenwood. Our last matchup with HoD, I think, left a really bitter taste in my mouth and I couldn’t wait to finish. Not trying to say your whole server is like this, but there really are a lot of whiners; every single matchup thread, there is always someone disputing the score, saying that it must be 2v1 or the endless ‘if only’. If only they would stop nightcapping. If only we had more people, then we would stomp all over them.

That might not be what your server thinks as a whole, but it’s annoying a lot of people. When you look back at previous matchup threads, can you really blame us for purposefully focusing on your server?

Then you’re just self-fullfilling prophecy and in general making things worse. So stahp, plz.

Well it’s up to Yaks to fulfill the other half of the prophecy lol. Besides, I like hunting down dagger/dagger elementalists and it’s like they’re all made in FA these days so…

to be fair, i’m not surprised that there appears to be a possible double team going on. YB defends their areas, TC defends our areas, FA admitted to overlooking defending their areas.

“So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.” – Sun Tzu

if you capture an area, you get the points once. if you hold an area, you get points every 15 minutes, as well as extending the front line. so you gain far more from defending than you ever could from a simple cap-n-dash. and if 1 side is going to vigorously defend their areas and the other side isn’t, the side that isn’t becomes the logical target to attack.

Phantom.8130:

to be fair, i’m not surprised that there appears to be a possible double team going on. YB defends their areas, TC defends our areas, FA admitted to overlooking defending their areas.

“So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.” – Sun Tzu

if you capture an area, you get the points once. if you hold an area, you get points every 15 minutes, as well as extending the front line. so you gain far more from defending than you ever could from a simple cap-n-dash. and if 1 side is going to vigorously defend their areas and the other side isn’t, the side that isn’t becomes the logical target to attack.

As a YB I can agree. By midweek we go to TC borderline and it will be defended with super reaction times. Goto Fa less so. That said FA are better than CD at defending

What was Yaks big picture strategy? I didn’t see much of an attempt to hold TC back once they took the lead on Sunday….yes their points are harder to take….they are the server with the highest rating, and larger population so of course they are going to be…knocking the #1 off isn’t ever going to be the easier target (they are generally #1 for a reason).

I fully agree though that FA overall could do much better at strat/coordination and picking targets. We’ve been beat by both your servers in the past iirc.

I believe the “big picture” could be seen if you follow this link. http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/9#NA Go down to tier 3. Slide all the way over to the right where it says evolution. Two server’s evo went down. One server’s went up.

When you are the “red” team. You take shots where you can get them. You wait for orange swords a lot of the time. Tell me to slow down if you are having trouble following. Many FA have said they are aggresive and are the attackers>defenders. When we see FA attacking TC towers/supply. This is where it gets crazy. We hit a poorly defended/upgraded FA tower vs an upgraded TC tower. Just my thoughts

Ireniicus.2167:

Phantom.8130:

to be fair, i’m not surprised that there appears to be a possible double team going on. YB defends their areas, TC defends our areas, FA admitted to overlooking defending their areas.

“So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.” – Sun Tzu

if you capture an area, you get the points once. if you hold an area, you get points every 15 minutes, as well as extending the front line. so you gain far more from defending than you ever could from a simple cap-n-dash. and if 1 side is going to vigorously defend their areas and the other side isn’t, the side that isn’t becomes the logical target to attack.

As a YB I can agree. By midweek we go to TC borderline and it will be defended with super reaction times. Goto Fa less so. That said FA are better than CD at defending

yeah, because FA doesn’t keep the bulk of their forces in the oh so valuable jumping puzzles lol

What rot!
4 x maps
3 x server
3 x server on each map
2 x enemy servers against the home server on there own borderland
1 x server has to fight 2 x enemy servers on any one map
QED – Yes it LOOKS that way but we are not teaming up

You never know. Maybe we are deliberately teaming up to prove you right! I do love Yaks…

Usagi.4835:

You never know. Maybe we are deliberately teaming up to prove you right! I do love Yaks…

Good thinking.

TC and Yak’s – truce starts now(ish). Spread the word. Gang up on Sweet FA.
=)
But seriously, been lots of good fights all around – by all three servers.

you do know there’s a specific thread for this match-up, starting a new only makes you look like yet another confused WvW who doesn’t seem to understand that there are 3 teams and yes 2v1 can happen but that doesn’t mean the other 2 servers and in this so called alliance, the fact that servers do “gang up” on you, means they see you as the weakest server and want to take advantage of that. So all in all maybe you guys just aren’t fit for t3

Yaks and TC are clearly working together. It’s good though, wouldn’t be much of a match up for us if they didn’t.

Felix.3028:

Yaks and TC are clearly working together. It’s good though, wouldn’t be much of a match up for us if they didn’t.

Working together? No.
Taking advantage? Yes

Latest score taken from the other FA/TC/YB forum;

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/25840/gw099.jpg

FAB – look who TC are attacking, Yaks!
EB – Yaks hitting both TC and FA thirds.
TBB – No FA at all, TC vs Yaks.
TCB – Is all FA vs TC.

Where is the 2v1? please enlighten me

Not sure what the 2v1 complainers expect. #1 server wants to keep #2 down. #3 server wants to claim second spot. Why wouldn’t they gang up on #2 either intentionally or not.? An even if it is International and coordinated how will complaining about it help?

TC and Yaks hit us hard all week long and we did the same. We held 2nd I’m pretty dang happy with that.

After complaining endlessly last week in the match up thread, that wasn’t enough. There is now a thread devoted entirely to whining from FA. I’m speechless.

^^ please don’t generalize – there are, what, 4 people from FA who have been whining? The rest of us don’t ..thanks

Nut.4713:

After complaining endlessly last week in the match up thread, that wasn’t enough. There is now a thread devoted entirely to whining from FA. I’m speechless.

There are as many of us from FA supporting a strategy that involves #1 keeping #2 down, even if it means sometimes assisting #3 (coordinated or not) as there are complaining about it. If you don’t see them, it’s because you choose not to see them.

This thread is devoted entirely to whining from BronzeDealer. He doesn’t represent FA.

This 2v1 stuff is -always- nonsense, but I’d much rather ally with Yaks than FA. FA likes to come to the forums and complain all the time, Yaks are actually Dolyaks who transform into human avatars to wage war, but on their native server they maintain their big fluffy yak forms. How could you not love them. <3

Cogbyrn.7283:

Nut.4713:

After complaining endlessly last week in the match up thread, that wasn’t enough. There is now a thread devoted entirely to whining from FA. I’m speechless.

There are as many of us from FA supporting a strategy that involves #1 keeping #2 down, even if it means sometimes assisting #3 (coordinated or not) as there are complaining about it. If you don’t see them, it’s because you choose not to see them.

This thread is devoted entirely to whining from BronzeDealer. He doesn’t represent FA.

Quoted for truth.

1. There is no 2v1 alliance or agreement of any sort.
2. The FA and YB match up has been epically fun. (Both of you are excellent competition)
3. As an often solo flyer when i pick wvw zone to go into if we are lucky enough to be in first place I usually choose to harass the 2nd place team….. because that just makes sense. right?
4. Red is Dead.

please do not apply everything said in this to all FA people!!!! it has only been a few FA people on here