Guild Wars 2

For anyone who’s wondering exactly how matchups work in EOTM and how it might affect the populator of lower tier servers, here’s a quote from Devon from the beta forums (inaccessible now).

Greetings,

January 9th was the end of our public testing of the new Edge of the Mists Map. This was our first time inviting people to play a portion of our game in active development and without NDA restrictions. The people playing the map and providing their feedback helped us make several important decisions while allowing us to test the new content in as close to a live environment as possible. It is not an exaggeration to say we couldn’t have brought the map to the quality level it has reached without their help! To pull out a specific example, our original plan was for each matchup to have its own version of the new map. As we tested out the map with various numbers of players and spoke with the members of the test, it became clear to us that the ideal approach was to group all of the NA players into one group and all EU players into another: meaning that all NA blue worlds will fight side-by-side with each other on the blue Edge of the Mists team. These kinds of decisions, and others, were ones we couldn’t have come to without getting the map in front of the large number of players that we saw over the course of the test, and without your feedback on the official forum! When the Edge of the Mists does release, I hope everyone here is as excited to play a map that your fellow WvW players helped create as we are.
Cheers,

Devon Carver

Important bit -> ideal approach was to group all of the NA players into one group and all EU players into another: meaning that all NA blue worlds will fight side-by-side with each other on the blue Edge of the Mists team.

Interesting.

My own suspicion is that EotM is a prelude to closing down regular WvW on tiers where it is dead, perhaps all tiers eventually, and mixing everyone into a sort of diluted hot join format that creates a perfect harmony of completely random pug blobs and LW excitement.

Also,

Currently matches have a duration of 2 hours.
Scoring tick happens every 5 minutes.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Edge_of_the_Mists#Notes

I’m very pleased and looking forward to playing the game mode. It isn’t just a map.

zen.6091:

Interesting.

My own suspicion is that EotM is a prelude to closing down regular WvW on tiers where it is dead, perhaps all tiers eventually, and mixing everyone into a sort of diluted hot join format that creates a perfect harmony of completely random pug blobs and LW excitement.

would certainly sort out balance issues to a certain extent.

This could be terrific, but hopefully it doesn’t undermine the idea of belonging to a specific community. Server pride needs to have a corollary in this new system, as well as familiarity with teammates. Recognizing and loving / hating commanders, roamers, etc, is part of what makes it feel comfortable and familiar.

I’m both very surprised and happy and also scared silly.

I’m sick of playing the same people in WvW as all sides are getting burned out and you can see fewer and fewer interested players every week. Allowing us to ally and compete against completely new people will be a lot of fun.

On the flip side, part of the fun is playing with your guild and I imagine this map will make it just as difficult for everyone to get together as normal PvE overflows can be?

I’m also concerned that on the lower tier servers people will start ignoring their own maps and playing exclusively on EoTM undermining their server in the process?

Obviously no change is going to please everyone and it’s a positive thing overall, I just hope ANet has taken these things into consideration and has plans in the future to help out the lower tier servers and guilds that will suffer the most from this.

From what I read, I actually don’t like some of the map mechanics already. Since the scores do not affect wvw, I think it will reduce the wvw population even more. It also appears to be moving further away from RvR and GvG since it’s almost impossible to form a large group on the map since everyone will be joining random teams. To me, it seems like a larger version of a sPvP map or those WinterDays snowball fight instanced map.

is wvw community thinking of EU/NA ts? will we actually know what overflow we are (1/2/3/4…) so we can have ts rooms to gather in?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Speculation-Merging-WvW-Servers-soon

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They’ve been talking about how they’re planning to release in China, and that’s why they need the new WvW map for overflow, That’s BS.

They’re going to merge some of the WvW servers together (By that, I mean the actual WvW portion of the game, not the servers)

So for example, Stormbluff Isle and NSP might be on the same team….Before they couldn’t do something like that this because people would be poed they got put in a Queue.

Now they’ll be able to do just throw them in the Overflow Map."

heh

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

is wvw community thinking of EU/NA ts? will we actually know what overflow we are (1/2/3/4…) so we can have ts rooms to gather in?

Why would you wanna ruin whole thing? TS zone blobs are cancer of www.

EoTM is not a WvW map as we know them… Some will love it, some will hate it…

Examples:
- To take the worm objectives that allows for some kind of Teleport, players have to place things on the ground to call worms (people who know Dune will see the analogy), kill them, then, after a while, the Champion pops out.
- To get Kodan’s hammer, there is a collect event.
- Bumping classes and builds will be kings… along with stability and other counters…

About joining with guildies;
I think (and hope) you can join on overflow.
I hope people will be nice, and that if someone asks “I’ve got X guildies to join me, can some people join another overflow, please?” that some people will do… it’s not like as if they had to wait for room on another map…
So all will come down to players…

As happy as I am with the mixed up maps, What I’m unsure of is about language-specific servers… At first, I thought that the regular map would be tied to the server, and the overflows would act as regular overflow, but from what I’m reading, I’m not sure anymore…

Edit @ terravos :
Just speculations – and really far from having any foundation to them.
Servers want servers pride, which is where most of the “we do not want merging for WvW” comes from. Very unlikely to happen, since it would demand making WvW servers different from PvE servers…

Junkpile.7439:

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

is wvw community thinking of EU/NA ts? will we actually know what overflow we are (1/2/3/4…) so we can have ts rooms to gather in?

Why would you wanna ruin whole thing? TS zone blobs are cancer of www.

why dont you finally go to spvp?

full map blob is the only way to play wvw.

Eventually they will have to cluster NA servers up just like what happened in DAoC.

EU cant be clustered with NA due to technical limitations. But like in DaOC , wierd things can happen. Also dont forget on the secret DX11.2 GW2 engine that Anet is working on. That will be released in 2016-2017 which will follow by release of oculus rift support.

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

is wvw community thinking of EU/NA ts? will we actually know what overflow we are (1/2/3/4…) so we can have ts rooms to gather in?

EU wide TS isn’t going to happen, or at least “this wont end well”.

I play on RoF and between the large numbers of Italians and Russians we already have language issues. Don’t get me wrong, they are good players and have many good commanders but they have their own TS channels.

Following their zergs can be a bit hit or miss and if you’re lucky their better commanders will at least ping the next target while waiting to cap the current circle. They often waypoint out too, taking over half the zerg with them and you can only wonder where they went.

this map will be sooooo karmatrain all day^^

just follow a random comander on your map with no TS – when he slag go other overflow – lol

Yeah..all blue from EU will be grouped together..that’s french, german, english speaking servers all on the same side (not to mention several dozen other languages), world chat will make for interesting reading….

I lol’d at the ‘could you move to another overflow’ elitsist trash mentioned by one: how about your guild moves to a new overflow or waits for a new one to pop, then make sure everyone goes there:P

Maybe they will close WvW, put it on hiatus while the figure out how to fix it and leave us the EotM map to play with?

guilds will have a hard time to go all on same overflow^^

anyway – this map still fix the problem for the guilds they can have now the normal servers lol

Victory.2879:

Yeah..all blue from EU will be grouped together..that’s french, german, english speaking servers all on the same side (not to mention several dozen other languages), world chat will make for interesting reading….

I lol’d at the ‘could you move to another overflow’ elitsist trash mentioned by one: how about your guild moves to a new overflow or waits for a new one to pop, then make sure everyone goes there:P

Because one can maybe get half its guildies on the same overflow before it’s filled, given people will keep joining. Just as it is on regular overflows… once all my group went on a same map at the same time – at tequatl’s beginning – and we were on 3 different overflows, somewhat 30 guildies getting on the map at approximately the same time (2-3 minutes off, maybe) got us on 5 overflows, given how fast they fill…

So yeah, since overflow are filled by all servers of a region, at prime time, it’s not just a matter of all join at the same time and use that “join” function to be on same overflow… And it depends on how many people can get on one overflow. Would be easier on a 150 places overflow than on a 50 places one…

If, for you, “elitist” means “preferring to play with guildies and friends more than with strangers that might not even speak my language”, then, yes, I am an elitist, and I’m proud to be one…

Still looking for that e-sport eh?

As any new content on the begining it will be crowded and full of players all around, maybe even chaotic hope we will not have the same lag issues we hava in WvW as this map have overlow… the “normal” WvW will be affected hard because people will want play on the new map and it will be more empty than usal, but after a month maybe it will get some players back, those that will not like EOTM.

I am very excited to play on EOTM, I could not test it but as far as I could see and understand it will be a good map for roamers and smaller groups… just hope so. I liked the idea of joining servers it will help balance the numbers on the map.

Jocksy.3415:

If, for you, “elitist” means “preferring to play with guildies and friends more than with strangers that might not even speak my language”, then, yes, I am an elitist, and I’m proud to be one…

I believe he meant expecting other people to leave the instance they are in just so that their friends can join.

In my opinion, that is an unreasonable expectation. If your friends can’t join your instance, join theirs.

Kincaidia.3192:

This could be terrific, but hopefully it doesn’t undermine the idea of belonging to a specific community. Server pride needs to have a corollary in this new system, as well as familiarity with teammates. Recognizing and loving / hating commanders, roamers, etc, is part of what makes it feel comfortable and familiar.

It will undermine server pride, and it will also decimate some WvW guilds as well.

Since all the servers will be fighting for space on these maps, it will be hard to get large guilds into the same map.

Also, it will be pug-tastic. So, I am sure people who hate commanding pugs now, will hate it even more when EoTM drops.

Also, if you prefer to play in the main WvW maps, probably most of them will not have anywhere near the same population (except maybe reset night)/

Nabrok.9023:

Jocksy.3415:

If, for you, “elitist” means “preferring to play with guildies and friends more than with strangers that might not even speak my language”, then, yes, I am an elitist, and I’m proud to be one…

I believe he meant expecting other people to leave the instance they are in just so that their friends can join.

In my opinion, that is an unreasonable expectation. If your friends can’t join your instance, join theirs.

And how do you propose to do that, when overflows fill up as they are created, and guildies are on different filled overflows?

When playing alone, or in small groups, overflows are never a problem. When playing in somewhat larger groups, they are a nightmare to get minimally organised…

Jocksy.3415:

Victory.2879:

Yeah..all blue from EU will be grouped together..that’s french, german, english speaking servers all on the same side (not to mention several dozen other languages), world chat will make for interesting reading….

I lol’d at the ‘could you move to another overflow’ elitsist trash mentioned by one: how about your guild moves to a new overflow or waits for a new one to pop, then make sure everyone goes there:P

Because one can maybe get half its guildies on the same overflow before it’s filled, given people will keep joining. Just as it is on regular overflows… once all my group went on a same map at the same time – at tequatl’s beginning – and we were on 3 different overflows, somewhat 30 guildies getting on the map at approximately the same time (2-3 minutes off, maybe) got us on 5 overflows, given how fast they fill…

So yeah, since overflow are filled by all servers of a region, at prime time, it’s not just a matter of all join at the same time and use that “join” function to be on same overflow… And it depends on how many people can get on one overflow. Would be easier on a 150 places overflow than on a 50 places one…

If, for you, “elitist” means “preferring to play with guildies and friends more than with strangers that might not even speak my language”, then, yes, I am an elitist, and I’m proud to be one…

But, you are thinking about the overflow as it relates to single server. You are going to have 24 servers (or 27 if EU) all entering this map at the same time. Getting half of your guild will not happen, unless it is only 2 groups

But, for a large guild, you could have 4+ groups, and end up in 4 different maps.

On a separate note, all servers will need to zerg and zerg hard til Tuesday, so they can try to build a comfortable lead, in order to not lose next week.

Terravos.4059:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Speculation-Merging-WvW-Servers-soon

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They’ve been talking about how they’re planning to release in China, and that’s why they need the new WvW map for overflow, That’s BS.

They’re going to merge some of the WvW servers together (By that, I mean the actual WvW portion of the game, not the servers)

So for example, Stormbluff Isle and NSP might be on the same team….Before they couldn’t do something like that this because people would be poed they got put in a Queue.

Now they’ll be able to do just throw them in the Overflow Map."

heh

Don’t bring uncomfirmed, fantasy rubbish, to a real topic.

Jocksy.3415:

Nabrok.9023:

Jocksy.3415:

If, for you, “elitist” means “preferring to play with guildies and friends more than with strangers that might not even speak my language”, then, yes, I am an elitist, and I’m proud to be one…

I believe he meant expecting other people to leave the instance they are in just so that their friends can join.

In my opinion, that is an unreasonable expectation. If your friends can’t join your instance, join theirs.

And how do you propose to do that, when overflows fill up as they are created, and guildies are on different filled overflows?

When playing alone, or in small groups, overflows are never a problem. When playing in somewhat larger groups, they are a nightmare to get minimally organised…

Was this all related to my comment? Have any of you guys done any PvE at all? You simply right click someone’s name and join their overflow.

Jocksy.3415:

Nabrok.9023:

Jocksy.3415:

If, for you, “elitist” means “preferring to play with guildies and friends more than with strangers that might not even speak my language”, then, yes, I am an elitist, and I’m proud to be one…

I believe he meant expecting other people to leave the instance they are in just so that their friends can join.

In my opinion, that is an unreasonable expectation. If your friends can’t join your instance, join theirs.

And how do you propose to do that, when overflows fill up as they are created, and guildies are on different filled overflows?

When playing alone, or in small groups, overflows are never a problem. When playing in somewhat larger groups, they are a nightmare to get minimally organised…

Honestly, if you’re a large guild bringing, say, 40+ to a map, you’re probably not going to take your whole guild into EotM. Border maps will likely remain the “go to” spot for large guild activity, as it’s tricky to get everybody in EB and may likewise be difficult to get everybody in the same EotM.

I do think people are going to be surprised at how large the EotM actually is though. It’s really not that small, and there are plenty of spaces in it for large fights. Getting a group or two into the same map will not be difficult.

Atherakhia.4086:

Jocksy.3415:

Nabrok.9023:

Jocksy.3415:

If, for you, “elitist” means “preferring to play with guildies and friends more than with strangers that might not even speak my language”, then, yes, I am an elitist, and I’m proud to be one…

I believe he meant expecting other people to leave the instance they are in just so that their friends can join.

In my opinion, that is an unreasonable expectation. If your friends can’t join your instance, join theirs.

And how do you propose to do that, when overflows fill up as they are created, and guildies are on different filled overflows?

When playing alone, or in small groups, overflows are never a problem. When playing in somewhat larger groups, they are a nightmare to get minimally organised…

Was this all related to my comment? Have any of you guys done any PvE at all? You simply right click someone’s name and join their overflow.

And how do you join a filled overflow?
I don’t mean one where noone else is assigned, I mean one where people already joined group members, topping it…

With some PVE Guild, it often was a nightmare, spending a good two hours to get everyone on the same overflow… Until we started to ask if some people would mind moving to another overflow… most of the time, we had some willing to move, which allowed us to get the most part of the guild on the same overflow…

And for someone who plays alone, or with a small group, moving to another overflow does not make much of a difference, while for someone who plays with a larger group, it does…

Jocksy.3415:

Atherakhia.4086:

Jocksy.3415:

Nabrok.9023:

Jocksy.3415:

If, for you, “elitist” means “preferring to play with guildies and friends more than with strangers that might not even speak my language”, then, yes, I am an elitist, and I’m proud to be one…

I believe he meant expecting other people to leave the instance they are in just so that their friends can join.

In my opinion, that is an unreasonable expectation. If your friends can’t join your instance, join theirs.

And how do you propose to do that, when overflows fill up as they are created, and guildies are on different filled overflows?

When playing alone, or in small groups, overflows are never a problem. When playing in somewhat larger groups, they are a nightmare to get minimally organised…

Was this all related to my comment? Have any of you guys done any PvE at all? You simply right click someone’s name and join their overflow.

And how do you join a filled overflow?

Overflows have two caps. The “soft cap”, at which it stops bringing new people into the map, but you can still right click on somebody in there and select “Join in …”, and the “hard cap”, at which nobody can join the map at all.

So, in EotM, say 4 of your friends are already in, great you join their party and hop into EotM. Most likely you’ll be put in the same overflow, but if not you can try the “Join in …”

If that doesn’t work, you could do as the earlier poster suggested and whine at people to leave in map chat, or the other 4 people could use the “Join in …” option to join their friend. As the new overflow is very likely not full this should not be a problem.

zen.6091:

Interesting.

My own suspicion is that EotM is a prelude to closing down regular WvW on tiers where it is dead, perhaps all tiers eventually, and mixing everyone into a sort of diluted hot join format that creates a perfect harmony of completely random pug blobs and LW excitement.

Jgr.8765:

Also,

Currently matches have a duration of 2 hours.
Scoring tick happens every 5 minutes.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Edge_of_the_Mists#Notes

Modify these two points a little bit and we’d just have sPvP. Suspicious? I’d say so, and I don’t even have my tinfoil hat on (yet).

It uses the same system as the mini-games.

There is no way for you to queue with your guildmates or your friends for that matter. If you all click join at the same time, most of you will get in the same EotM but not all of you.

If you wish to run as a guild, you’ll still need to go to regular BLs.