Guild Wars 2

I’m not in tier 8, I’m on Dragonbrand, but I see a massive problem here, and a simple solution.

Problem: Servers ranked 23 and 24 have, over time, lost so much ranking so that their scores are far far below those of the lowest server in tier 7. The result of this is that in order to move from tier 8 to tier 7, rank 22 has to crush ranks 23 and 24 unbelievably hard. Not only is this difficult, it makes 23 and 24 drop even farther, making the problem worse.

Solution: Manually modify the glicko ratings of server ranks 22, 23, and 24 to all be the same, and set to 200 points below that of the lowest server in tier 7. 200 point differential between tiers is similar to most of the other tiers that don’t have the top server about to move into another tier. Setting the scores equal would allow the rank 22 server to gain an appreciable amount of points from a win, and prevent ranks 23 and 24 from being forced to absurdly low levels.

Easier solution without having to change/reset glicko: Winner of T8 goes up, loser of T7 goes down.

Anet is working on it. Please search this thread for other tier 8 topics.

Nirvakitten796:

Easier solution without having to change/reset glicko: Winner of T8 goes up, loser of T7 goes down.

I don’t think they will want to implement something that isn’t consistent through all tiers. Having that in other tiers would be a bigger problem.

Furiousbeard.7602:

Anet is working on it.

Hahaha i laughed …
No offense

Zikory.6871:

Nirvakitten796:

Easier solution without having to change/reset glicko: Winner of T8 goes up, loser of T7 goes down.

I don’t think they will want to implement something that isn’t consistent through all tiers. Having that in other tiers would be a bigger problem.

I understand, but the problems the glicko ghetto has is not consistent through all the tiers so it’s logical to come with a solution that may go outside the 1-7 consistency.

Why on earth is my usernmae showing up as Nirvakitten? o.o

Furiousbeard.7602:

Anet is working on it. Please search this thread for other tier 8 topics.

Now THAT was extremely amusing.

First of all, ANet is not working on it. They’ve indicated no plans at all to change WvW matchups and without doing so there will ALWAYS be problems like we have in Tier 8. If you understood how the ANet’s kittenization of the Glicko-2 system actually works you’d realize that the same exact thing could happen in Tier 1, except in reverse. The ONLY way to avoid what’s going on in Tier 8 is to switch to some kind of instanced system for matchups … server vs server vs server is doomed to infinite failure.

Secondly if they were working on it, they have so few resources being applied to recoding WvW that we’ll all be playing a different game before they actually fix anything.

Nirvakitten796:

Zikory.6871:

Nirvakitten796:

Easier solution without having to change/reset glicko: Winner of T8 goes up, loser of T7 goes down.

I don’t think they will want to implement something that isn’t consistent through all tiers. Having that in other tiers would be a bigger problem.

I understand, but the problems the glicko ghetto has is not consistent through all the tiers so it’s logical to come with a solution that may go outside the 1-7 consistency.

Thing is it is consistent, problem with T8 is there is no where to go. Your score will just drop until it hits a floor.

Zikory.6871:

Nirvakitten796:

Zikory.6871:

Nirvakitten796:

Easier solution without having to change/reset glicko: Winner of T8 goes up, loser of T7 goes down.

I don’t think they will want to implement something that isn’t consistent through all tiers. Having that in other tiers would be a bigger problem.

I understand, but the problems the glicko ghetto has is not consistent through all the tiers so it’s logical to come with a solution that may go outside the 1-7 consistency.

Thing is it is consistent, problem with T8 is there is no where to go. Your score will just drop until it hits a floor.

That in itself is unique to being the bottom. I understand the system is working consistently, but the end results are inconsistent only on t8.

Finding a solution that is consistent with all 8 tiers is way more work than necessary. Having winner of t8 move up and loser of t7 move down is a very elegant way of solving the issue without messing with every tier. Who knows, maybe the coding for wvw setup makes this impossible.

Ah well. Someone that gets paid to do this is hopefully figuring something out. I just hope they don’t take a long time.

Nirvakitten796:

Zikory.6871:

Nirvakitten796:

Zikory.6871:

Nirvakitten796:

Easier solution without having to change/reset glicko: Winner of T8 goes up, loser of T7 goes down.

I don’t think they will want to implement something that isn’t consistent through all tiers. Having that in other tiers would be a bigger problem.

I understand, but the problems the glicko ghetto has is not consistent through all the tiers so it’s logical to come with a solution that may go outside the 1-7 consistency.

Thing is it is consistent, problem with T8 is there is no where to go. Your score will just drop until it hits a floor.

That in itself is unique to being the bottom. I understand the system is working consistently, but the end results are inconsistent only on t8.

Finding a solution that is consistent with all 8 tiers is way more work than necessary. Having winner of t8 move up and loser of t7 move down is a very elegant way of solving the issue without messing with every tier. Who knows, maybe the coding for wvw setup makes this impossible.

Ah well. Someone that gets paid to do this is hopefully figuring something out. I just hope they don’t take a long time.

Ah yeah I didn’t look at it that way but that make sense as well. Though I do agree that your idea would work great for T7/T8, I know it would be bad for T1/T2. I can’t say for the middle servers.

i made a post suggesting points reset for each tier separating each tier by 100, and they deleted my post.. i guest they are not interested in fixing it……

Having the winner of t8 move up and the lower of t7 would fix it, but it would be a really clumsy fix. Resetting the points of t8 once a month or something would let the glicko system work the way it is designed to without the disruption that continual downwards and upwards swapping would be.

Edit: @azizul: That would be unnecessary and extremely disruptive for every single tier except t8. That is probably why they deleted your thread.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Having the winner of t8 move up and the lower of t7 would fix it, but it would be a really clumsy fix. Resetting the points of t8 once a month or something would let the glicko system work the way it is designed to without the disruption that continual downwards and upwards swapping would be.

Edit: @azizul: That would be unnecessary and extremely disruptive for every single tier except t8. That is probably why they deleted your thread.

a fresh restart without disrupting the balance in strength would be nice…. remember, they planned to reset the points for every server to the default 1500 but later cancelled it because they realized that it would disrupt the balance , i guess a reset would still be good but let the tiers separated by some points (servers in each tier will get same starting points)

again, we haven’t had a point reset after the free transfer ended. it’s now or never….

azizul.8469:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Having the winner of t8 move up and the lower of t7 would fix it, but it would be a really clumsy fix. Resetting the points of t8 once a month or something would let the glicko system work the way it is designed to without the disruption that continual downwards and upwards swapping would be.

Edit: @azizul: That would be unnecessary and extremely disruptive for every single tier except t8. That is probably why they deleted your thread.

a fresh restart without disrupting the balance in strength would be nice…. remember, they planned to reset the points for every server to the default 1500 but later cancelled it because they realized that it would disrupt the balance , i guess a reset would still be good but let the tiers separated by some points (servers in each tier will get same starting points)

again, we haven’t had a point reset after the free transfer ended. it’s now or never….

The thing is, it isn’t necessary. The reason for a point rebalancing is to break out of stale matchups that have stagnated due to point disparities. All of the matchups in the NA tiers are dynamic and changing, with the exception of t8. There is no stagnation that such a reset would fix. The only tier that desperately needs that sort of reset is t8.

They should just boost ET and FC by like 200-300 points and keep SF where it is.

Pyroatheist.9031:

azizul.8469:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Having the winner of t8 move up and the lower of t7 would fix it, but it would be a really clumsy fix. Resetting the points of t8 once a month or something would let the glicko system work the way it is designed to without the disruption that continual downwards and upwards swapping would be.

Edit: @azizul: That would be unnecessary and extremely disruptive for every single tier except t8. That is probably why they deleted your thread.

a fresh restart without disrupting the balance in strength would be nice…. remember, they planned to reset the points for every server to the default 1500 but later cancelled it because they realized that it would disrupt the balance , i guess a reset would still be good but let the tiers separated by some points (servers in each tier will get same starting points)

again, we haven’t had a point reset after the free transfer ended. it’s now or never….

The thing is, it isn’t necessary. The reason for a point rebalancing is to break out of stale matchups that have stagnated due to point disparities. All of the matchups in the NA tiers are dynamic and changing, with the exception of t8. There is no stagnation that such a reset would fix. The only tier that desperately needs that sort of reset is t8.

i dont think you understand what a soft reset is…

it would get rid of the stagnation in t8 without disrupting any other matches

@aziz: really sad to hear that thread is deleted. maybe theyre trying to get rid of any kind of trail in prep for yoinking the idea? personally i wouldnt care. just use the kitten idea already. its kitten good.

insanemaniac.2456:

Pyroatheist.9031:

azizul.8469:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Having the winner of t8 move up and the lower of t7 would fix it, but it would be a really clumsy fix. Resetting the points of t8 once a month or something would let the glicko system work the way it is designed to without the disruption that continual downwards and upwards swapping would be.

Edit: @azizul: That would be unnecessary and extremely disruptive for every single tier except t8. That is probably why they deleted your thread.

a fresh restart without disrupting the balance in strength would be nice…. remember, they planned to reset the points for every server to the default 1500 but later cancelled it because they realized that it would disrupt the balance , i guess a reset would still be good but let the tiers separated by some points (servers in each tier will get same starting points)

again, we haven’t had a point reset after the free transfer ended. it’s now or never….

The thing is, it isn’t necessary. The reason for a point rebalancing is to break out of stale matchups that have stagnated due to point disparities. All of the matchups in the NA tiers are dynamic and changing, with the exception of t8. There is no stagnation that such a reset would fix. The only tier that desperately needs that sort of reset is t8.

i dont think you understand what a soft reset is…

it would get rid of the stagnation in t8 without disrupting any other matches

@aziz: really sad to hear that thread is deleted. maybe theyre trying to get rid of any kind of trail in prep for yoinking the idea? personally i wouldnt care. just use the kitten idea already. its kitten good.

My original post has the solution being resetting just t8, if you had actually read it. The idea that aziz was proposing was doing the reset to all of the tiers, and that would be unnecessary.

Pyroatheist.9031:

insanemaniac.2456:

Pyroatheist.9031:

azizul.8469:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Having the winner of t8 move up and the lower of t7 would fix it, but it would be a really clumsy fix. Resetting the points of t8 once a month or something would let the glicko system work the way it is designed to without the disruption that continual downwards and upwards swapping would be.

Edit: @azizul: That would be unnecessary and extremely disruptive for every single tier except t8. That is probably why they deleted your thread.

a fresh restart without disrupting the balance in strength would be nice…. remember, they planned to reset the points for every server to the default 1500 but later cancelled it because they realized that it would disrupt the balance , i guess a reset would still be good but let the tiers separated by some points (servers in each tier will get same starting points)

again, we haven’t had a point reset after the free transfer ended. it’s now or never….

The thing is, it isn’t necessary. The reason for a point rebalancing is to break out of stale matchups that have stagnated due to point disparities. All of the matchups in the NA tiers are dynamic and changing, with the exception of t8. There is no stagnation that such a reset would fix. The only tier that desperately needs that sort of reset is t8.

i dont think you understand what a soft reset is…

it would get rid of the stagnation in t8 without disrupting any other matches

@aziz: really sad to hear that thread is deleted. maybe theyre trying to get rid of any kind of trail in prep for yoinking the idea? personally i wouldnt care. just use the kitten idea already. its kitten good.

My original post has the solution being resetting just t8, if you had actually read it. The idea that aziz was proposing was doing the reset to all of the tiers, and that would be unnecessary.

actually, resetting all the tiers IS necessary. otherwise you introduce inflation into a practically zero sum system. i did read your post. strictly messing with one part of the system as you propose is a shortsighted bandaid that wont actually do anything to permanently fix the problem at hand.

insanemaniac.2456:

otherwise you introduce inflation into a practically zero sum system.

Hm, I didn’t actually think of that. A solution to that without resetting all of the tiers would be to simply subtract a flat score from every single rating not in t8 to balance out the points added by the t8 reset.

The t8 reset probably wouldn’t fix the problem permanently, over time it would become unbalanced again, so monthly or bi-monthly resets would be necessary. However, putting a system like this into place avoids the need to completely retool the current rating system.

Edit: It’s not exactly a 0 sum system. It is, however, pretty close, so some sort of overall reduction in the scores would be necessary to avoid inflating it over time.

Cactus.2710:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Anet is working on it. Please search this thread for other tier 8 topics.

Now THAT was extremely amusing.

First of all, ANet is not working on it. They’ve indicated no plans at all to change WvW matchups and without doing so there will ALWAYS be problems like we have in Tier 8. If you understood how the ANet’s kittenization of the Glicko-2 system actually works you’d realize that the same exact thing could happen in Tier 1, except in reverse. The ONLY way to avoid what’s going on in Tier 8 is to switch to some kind of instanced system for matchups … server vs server vs server is doomed to infinite failure.

Secondly if they were working on it, they have so few resources being applied to recoding WvW that we’ll all be playing a different game before they actually fix anything.

Try reading the forums more often and search for other tier 8 topics. Not everything is on page one. Since you may be too lazy to look, here is a link for you to page 8 of this thread.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Tier8-wishes-ANEt-to-get-better-soon/page/2#post1718504
Read Habib’s response on page 1 3rd post from the bottom.

Don’t assume that I’m the uninformed or that I don’t understand the system or the core problem. My answer was short because I have seen official response to it AND this has already been brought up multiple times previously.

This topic has been beaten to death. Just give it a rest.

Furiousbeard.7602:

Cactus.2710:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Anet is working on it. Please search this thread for other tier 8 topics.

Now THAT was extremely amusing.

First of all, ANet is not working on it. They’ve indicated no plans at all to change WvW matchups and without doing so there will ALWAYS be problems like we have in Tier 8. If you understood how the ANet’s kittenization of the Glicko-2 system actually works you’d realize that the same exact thing could happen in Tier 1, except in reverse. The ONLY way to avoid what’s going on in Tier 8 is to switch to some kind of instanced system for matchups … server vs server vs server is doomed to infinite failure.

Secondly if they were working on it, they have so few resources being applied to recoding WvW that we’ll all be playing a different game before they actually fix anything.

Try reading the forums more often and search for other tier 8 topics. Not everything is on page one. Since you may be too lazy to look, here is a link for you to page 8 of this thread.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Tier8-wishes-ANEt-to-get-better-soon/page/2#post1718504
Read Habib’s response on page 1 3rd post from the bottom.

Don’t assume that I’m the uninformed or that I don’t understand the system or the core problem. My answer was short because I have seen official response to it AND this has already been brought up multiple times previously.

This topic has been beaten to death. Just give it a rest.

Of course I saw that post … don’t assume that I’m uninformed either. But what Habib said was that “they were looking in to it”, and that is not at all the same as “they are working on it.” Go back and read the several dozen similar posts from devs saying they are “looking into” some significant issue for WvW and notice how many of them have ever actually been addressed. ANet’s batting average is horrible, and recent posts from Ferguson pointing out how limited their coding resources are doesn’t suggest that we should expect much to get better.

Tell you what … you publicly predict when ANet actually floats a patch that changes the WvW system to something that provides balanced matches the majority of the time. Be specific. I say it won’t happen within the next six months, and by then most of us will be gone anyway. So what’s your faith-based prediction? (because history is certainly not on your side)

Besides, how monumentally stupid is it of you to say ’’This topic has been beaten to death. Just give it a rest" and then send me a PM telling me that I should read your post?? I mean, WTF??

Pyroatheist.9031:

insanemaniac.2456:

otherwise you introduce inflation into a practically zero sum system.

Hm, I didn’t actually think of that. A solution to that without resetting all of the tiers would be to simply subtract a flat score from every single rating not in t8 to balance out the points added by the t8 reset.

The t8 reset probably wouldn’t fix the problem permanently, over time it would become unbalanced again, so monthly or bi-monthly resets would be necessary. However, putting a system like this into place avoids the need to completely retool the current rating system.

Edit: It’s not exactly a 0 sum system. It is, however, pretty close, so some sort of overall reduction in the scores would be necessary to avoid inflating it over time.

that is called a soft reset

Cactus.2710:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Cactus.2710:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Anet is working on it. Please search this thread for other tier 8 topics.

Now THAT was extremely amusing.

First of all, ANet is not working on it. They’ve indicated no plans at all to change WvW matchups and without doing so there will ALWAYS be problems like we have in Tier 8. If you understood how the ANet’s kittenization of the Glicko-2 system actually works you’d realize that the same exact thing could happen in Tier 1, except in reverse. The ONLY way to avoid what’s going on in Tier 8 is to switch to some kind of instanced system for matchups … server vs server vs server is doomed to infinite failure.

Secondly if they were working on it, they have so few resources being applied to recoding WvW that we’ll all be playing a different game before they actually fix anything.

Try reading the forums more often and search for other tier 8 topics. Not everything is on page one. Since you may be too lazy to look, here is a link for you to page 8 of this thread.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Tier8-wishes-ANEt-to-get-better-soon/page/2#post1718504
Read Habib’s response on page 1 3rd post from the bottom.

Don’t assume that I’m the uninformed or that I don’t understand the system or the core problem. My answer was short because I have seen official response to it AND this has already been brought up multiple times previously.

This topic has been beaten to death. Just give it a rest.

Of course I saw that post … don’t assume that I’m uninformed either. But what Habib said was that “they were looking in to it”, and that is not at all the same as “they are working on it.” Go back and read the several dozen similar posts from devs saying they are “looking into” some significant issue for WvW and notice how many of them have ever actually been addressed. ANet’s batting average is horrible, and recent posts from Ferguson pointing out how limited their coding resources are doesn’t suggest that we should expect much to get better.

Tell you what … you publicly predict when ANet actually floats a patch that changes the WvW system to something that provides balanced matches the majority of the time. Be specific. I say it won’t happen within the next six months, and by then most of us will be gone anyway. So what’s your faith-based prediction? (because history is certainly not on your side)

Besides, how monumentally stupid is it of you to say ’’This topic has been beaten to death. Just give it a rest" and then send me a PM telling me that I should read your post?? I mean, WTF??

All you do is complain about this game. Your posting history is a complete mess of complaints. Maybe you need to find a new hobby, or go hang out with your son more often.

If you dislike Anet so much and their product, there is no reason for you to play.

whine whine whine, cry cry cry, blah blah blah.

Furiousbeard.7602:

whine whine whine, cry cry cry, blah blah blah.

Does your emotive response mean that Cactus won the argument?

SoPP.7034:

Furiousbeard.7602:

whine whine whine, cry cry cry, blah blah blah.

Does your emotive response mean that Cactus won the argument?

obviously yes, he won hands down.

He already knows the inner workings of Anet and how they prioritize fixes, so anything anybody else says is either a lie or wrong.

Furiousbeard.7602:

SoPP.7034:

Furiousbeard.7602:

whine whine whine, cry cry cry, blah blah blah.

Does your emotive response mean that Cactus won the argument?

obviously yes, he won hands down.

He already knows the inner workings of Anet and how they prioritize fixes, so anything anybody else says is either a lie or wrong.

I’m waiting for your prediction. Put up or shut up.

Cactus.2710:

Furiousbeard.7602:

SoPP.7034:

Furiousbeard.7602:

whine whine whine, cry cry cry, blah blah blah.

Does your emotive response mean that Cactus won the argument?

obviously yes, he won hands down.

He already knows the inner workings of Anet and how they prioritize fixes, so anything anybody else says is either a lie or wrong.

I’m waiting for your prediction. Put up or shut up.

lol, and a prediction will prove what exactly?

I’m not here to bash Anet day in and day out like you seem to be. The biggest problem in the equation is YOU.

Is this how you get things done in life? you just whine, complain and beg until someone else does it for you? And then if they don’t do what you ask, you act superior and pretend that you won because they wouldn’t do what you said?

I think you need to find some more meaning in your life man. That’s an honest statement. I think you need to take this advice and really figure out what you want in life.

Your family will thank you for it

Furiousbeard.7602:

Cactus.2710:

Furiousbeard.7602:

SoPP.7034:

Furiousbeard.7602:

whine whine whine, cry cry cry, blah blah blah.

Does your emotive response mean that Cactus won the argument?

obviously yes, he won hands down.

He already knows the inner workings of Anet and how they prioritize fixes, so anything anybody else says is either a lie or wrong.

I’m waiting for your prediction. Put up or shut up.

lol, and a prediction will prove what exactly?

I’m not here to bash Anet day in and day out like you seem to be. The biggest problem in the equation is YOU.

Is this how you get things done in life? you just whine, complain and beg until someone else does it for you? And then if they don’t do what you ask, you act superior and pretend that you won because they wouldn’t do what you said?

I think you need to find some more meaning in your life man. That’s an honest statement. I think you need to take this advice and really figure out what you want in life.

Your family will thank you for it

Wow … evasive much? You said that we should just sit back and hang in there because ANet was “working on the problem” of WVW matches. I claim they aren’t going to fix it within six months and challenged you to give us your prediction on when it was going to be fixed since you had so much faith in them. You don’t seem willing at all to back up your comment with a prediction of any sort, so you just try every redirect you can think of … including personal attacks. That’s just plain boorish and snicker worthy. It’s probably the lowest debate tactic there is.

For the record, I’ve had a long and very successful career in a Fortune 500 manufacturing business that has spanned more than 20 countries in Europe and Asia. I’ve been responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars in annual sales with literally thousands of people depending upon me to make the right decisions. I worked long and hard for everything I ever achieved and never expected anybody to do anything for me. I have a successful family with three kids and if I died today everyone who knows me would consider that I lived a happy and productive life who helped far more people than helped me. I can practically guarantee that I have had “more meaning in my life” than you ever will.

So what do I want from ANet? I want a game that lives up to it’s promises. I want a viable WvW style of game play that provides equitable matches requiring a balanced complement of strategy, tactics, and skill. I want interesting content that makes the game enjoyable for its own sake and I want a playing mechanism that isn’t crippled by unconscionable lag. I paid for those things but haven’t gotten them. I and 95% of the other players in WvW keep complaining about those things in the hope that ANet would actually do something about them, but they haven’t. I haven’t totally tossed in the towel … if I did I wouldn’t still be hanging around here putting up with the likes of you as I try to make my points. I tend to get invested in any MMO I’ve ever played and hate to leave one, but it’s looking pretty grim.

Now go away and play with yourself.

Cactus.2710:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Cactus.2710:

Furiousbeard.7602:

SoPP.7034:

Furiousbeard.7602:

whine whine whine, cry cry cry, blah blah blah.

Does your emotive response mean that Cactus won the argument?

obviously yes, he won hands down.

He already knows the inner workings of Anet and how they prioritize fixes, so anything anybody else says is either a lie or wrong.

I’m waiting for your prediction. Put up or shut up.

lol, and a prediction will prove what exactly?

I’m not here to bash Anet day in and day out like you seem to be. The biggest problem in the equation is YOU.

Is this how you get things done in life? you just whine, complain and beg until someone else does it for you? And then if they don’t do what you ask, you act superior and pretend that you won because they wouldn’t do what you said?

I think you need to find some more meaning in your life man. That’s an honest statement. I think you need to take this advice and really figure out what you want in life.

Your family will thank you for it

Wow … evasive much? You said that we should just sit back and hang in there because ANet was “working on the problem” of WVW matches. I claim they aren’t going to fix it within six months and challenged you to give us your prediction on when it was going to be fixed since you had so much faith in them. You don’t seem willing at all to back up your comment with a prediction of any sort, so you just try every redirect you can think of … including personal attacks. That’s just plain boorish and snicker worthy. It’s probably the lowest debate tactic there is.

For the record, I’ve had a long and very successful career in a Fortune 500 manufacturing business that has spanned more than 20 countries in Europe and Asia. I’ve been responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars in annual sales with literally thousands of people depending upon me to make the right decisions. I worked long and hard for everything I ever achieved and never expected anybody to do anything for me. I have a successful family with three kids and if I died today everyone who knows me would consider that I lived a happy and productive life who helped far more people than helped me. I can practically guarantee that I have had “more meaning in my life” than you ever will.

So what do I want from ANet? I want a game that lives up to it’s promises. I want a viable WvW style of game play that provides equitable matches requiring a balanced complement of strategy, tactics, and skill. I want interesting content that makes the game enjoyable for its own sake and I want a playing mechanism that isn’t crippled by unconscionable lag. I paid for those things but haven’t gotten them. I and 95% of the other players in WvW keep complaining about those things in the hope that ANet would actually do something about them, but they haven’t. I haven’t totally tossed in the towel … if I did I wouldn’t still be hanging around here putting up with the likes of you as I try to make my points. I tend to get invested in any MMO I’ve ever played and hate to leave one, but it’s looking pretty grim.

Now go away and play with yourself.

lol I can’t wait to dig in to this wall of garbage tomorrow.

G’night angriest forum troll ever

Another one?

I know it’s the flavor of the month to make a fuss about the numbers trap that is T8, but, from the ET side of things, T8 is looking kinda fun right now.

Don’t believe me? Then come on down to ET or FC and see for yourself. Small fights, lots of open field battles, and small tower defense, a ton of room to do your own thing, and play your own way. With people on the field all the time, yet there are no super massive zerb balls or Queues to get into WvW.

We really have the fun part of the WvW dynamic by the kitten ton.

And while the numbers are pretty meh, that is because ET and FC have mostly shifted focus away from playing a Points game and moved to the battles, open field fights, 3 way 2 hour long land battles over a single supply camp (Yah, you heard me, a 2 hour three way battle over a supply camp) and while anyone could see that it was not worth the points, it was soo worth the fun we had doing it, and thus the points are not indicative of the fun and good times the people on ET and FC are having now.

Maybe stop on down and see, The ET Forums or even our Eredon Alliance members.

Cactus.2710:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Anet is working on it. Please search this thread for other tier 8 topics.

Now THAT was extremely amusing.

First of all, ANet is not working on it. They’ve indicated no plans at all to change WvW matchups and without doing so there will ALWAYS be problems like we have in Tier 8. If you understood how the ANet’s kittenization of the Glicko-2 system actually works you’d realize that the same exact thing could happen in Tier 1, except in reverse. The ONLY way to avoid what’s going on in Tier 8 is to switch to some kind of instanced system for matchups … server vs server vs server is doomed to infinite failure.

Secondly if they were working on it, they have so few resources being applied to recoding WvW that we’ll all be playing a different game before they actually fix anything.

i’ll just leave this here, then…

Yeah so they’ll respond that they are thinking about it if you send them cookies. Big deal, the wubwub director isn’t even the same person now. I bet you their supposed solution was to open up free transfers for the week.

No point in resetting their rating. If they keep losing, their rating should keep dropping. Once they start winning, their rating will go up quite fast.

Remember: WvW is not a mandatory part of the game.

Ungood.3054:

And while the numbers are pretty meh…

I also blame the Stupid Adventure Box. April can’t get over fast enough. haha

Rezz.8019:

No point in resetting their rating. If they keep losing, their rating should keep dropping. Once they start winning, their rating will go up quite fast.

Remember: WvW is not a mandatory part of the game.

what is this I don’t even
…
what

seriously though, SF is winning by more than any other matchup currently and is losing 30ish points this week. inform yourself before posting pl0x

Darek.1836:

Rezz.8019:

No point in resetting their rating. If they keep losing, their rating should keep dropping. Once they start winning, their rating will go up quite fast.

Remember: WvW is not a mandatory part of the game.

what is this I don’t even
…
what

seriously though, SF is winning by more than any other matchup currently and is losing 30ish points this week. inform yourself before posting pl0x

And it’s not the first time we’ve lost significant rating, despite winning by a significant margin (3/1, won by 126K points, lost 52 rating).

Shademehr.1397:

Ungood.3054:

And while the numbers are pretty meh…

I also blame the Stupid Adventure Box. April can’t get over fast enough. haha

Even with that, I am seeing a lot of people on the field on all sides. It’s looking good, better then it ever has.

Rezz.8019:

No point in resetting their rating. If they keep losing, their rating should keep dropping. Once they start winning, their rating will go up quite fast.

Remember: WvW is not a mandatory part of the game.

Have you ever looked at the scores?
http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Cactus.2710:

Now go away and play with yourself.

haha, oh man. Where to start with this pile of crap you spew.

Alright, lets go back to my original post to which you had a very excited explosion of anger. Directed at me, but based on your own frustration of the Glicko system and Anet itself. You make wild assumptions and provide your version of a doomsday where “we’ll all be playing a different game before they actually fix anything”

“All” is a very broad range, and you seem to speak for everybody. A little conceded don’t you think?

I respond by linking you a thread where Habib says they are having meetings about it and kindly provided you a link, which i notice someone else on this same thread has done as well. Obviously I’m not the only person here that knows it’s something on their radar. In the real world, when people have meetings about things, they try to determine solutions to the problem. This would then imply that work has started since they are using man hours to find solutions. You can’t solve a problem if you don’t make a game plan, or brainstorm.

You mention that Mr Ferguson pointed out their limited coding resources, which also means that they have an informed manager that is aware of a problem. Its a very simple process to add more people to a team to enforce their lack of resources. Come on Mr Fortune 500, this is basic!

You then proceed to request a public display of my clairvoyance by predicting the future of Anet and their patches. Well I’m sorry to tell you there will be no such prediction because nobody except for staff of Anet will have a good understanding of when that will be. Venturing a guess is a waste of time. It’s very amusing that you ask for a specific time from me, and yet you use a very broad time frame of over 6 months.

Suddenly you have now created a topic all on your own to argue about. The prediction. Like its going to validate anything you have said previously, and somehow void my comment of “they’re working on it” with actual evidence of Habib stating it. Quite the troll you are Cactus

Let’s move on to personal attacks where you become a complete hypocrite. You start with a long sentence bragging about your personal life, which may or may not have any truth in the real world, along with how other people perceive you, because again, you speak for everybody. It all finishes with the fact that you will have more meaning in your life than I ever will. Very easy to turn on a dime when you’re out there trolling.

At last we reach your actual honest sounding want from Anet, which I have to admit, is probably the closest you’ve come to being real with yourself this whole thread… but then immediately after that, you speak for 95% of other players. So, so, very pompous.

Your last line is probably the icing on the cake. “Now go away and play with yourself”

Hahaha, truly the maturity level of a man who has 3 kids, who has had a very successful career in a Fortune 500 Company, and who’s been responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars with literally thousands of people depending on their decisions.

Please, let’s not carry this on any longer Mr. Troll. How can anybody with real experience in the business world take any portion of what you say seriously. You aren’t fooling anybody.

Ok mr. 6884 kills (as if thats even impressive)

Furiousbeard.7602:

Cactus.2710:

Now go away and play with yourself.

haha, oh man. Where to start with this pile of crap you spew.

Alright, lets go back to my original post to which you had a very excited explosion of anger. Directed at me, but based on your own frustration of the Glicko system and Anet itself. You make wild assumptions and provide your version of a doomsday where “we’ll all be playing a different game before they actually fix anything”

“All” is a very broad range, and you seem to speak for everybody. A little conceded don’t you think?

I respond by linking you a thread where Habib says they are having meetings about it and kindly provided you a link, which i notice someone else on this same thread has done as well. Obviously I’m not the only person here that knows it’s something on their radar. In the real world, when people have meetings about things, they try to determine solutions to the problem. This would then imply that work has started since they are using man hours to find solutions. You can’t solve a problem if you don’t make a game plan, or brainstorm.

You mention that Mr Ferguson pointed out their limited coding resources, which also means that they have an informed manager that is aware of a problem. Its a very simple process to add more people to a team to enforce their lack of resources. Come on Mr Fortune 500, this is basic!

You then proceed to request a public display of my clairvoyance by predicting the future of Anet and their patches. Well I’m sorry to tell you there will be no such prediction because nobody except for staff of Anet will have a good understanding of when that will be. Venturing a guess is a waste of time. It’s very amusing that you ask for a specific time from me, and yet you use a very broad time frame of over 6 months.

Suddenly you have now created a topic all on your own to argue about. The prediction. Like its going to validate anything you have said previously, and somehow void my comment of “they’re working on it” with actual evidence of Habib stating it. Quite the troll you are Cactus

Let’s move on to personal attacks where you become a complete hypocrite. You start with a long sentence bragging about your personal life, which may or may not have any truth in the real world, along with how other people perceive you, because again, you speak for everybody. It all finishes with the fact that you will have more meaning in your life than I ever will. Very easy to turn on a dime when you’re out there trolling.

At last we reach your actual honest sounding want from Anet, which I have to admit, is probably the closest you’ve come to being real with yourself this whole thread… but then immediately after that, you speak for 95% of other players. So, so, very pompous.

Your last line is probably the icing on the cake. “Now go away and play with yourself”

Hahaha, truly the maturity level of a man who has 3 kids, who has had a very successful career in a Fortune 500 Company, and who’s been responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars with literally thousands of people depending on their decisions.

Please, let’s not carry this on any longer Mr. Troll. How can anybody with real experience in the business world take any portion of what you say seriously. You aren’t fooling anybody.

You attacked my personal life, you dolt … that’s why I responded. You don’t need to believe a word I said … it is what it is and I certainly don’t need you for validation. I’d bet that anybody masochistic enough to read this thread can draw their own conclusions about who is real and who isn’t. I’m done with you.

I think Anet has pretty much given up on T8. Or maybe the attitude is that they hope it will fix itself.

shunobee.6907:

I think Anet has pretty much given up on T8. Or maybe the attitude is that they hope it will fix itself.

It won’t. As this week is making abundantly clear, it is absolutely impossible for SF to get enough points to actually leave the tier. If they get high enough, they just start losing points again. It will require one of the servers in t7 to get absolutely stomped and fall below SF for any change to occur.

I think T8 should be left alone. It offers those using 3133ghz intel Pentium 1 with SVGA 16 bit cards with 56k dialup modems a chance to fight in WvW

Fuzzion.2504:

I think T8 should be left alone. It offers those using 3133ghz intel Pentium 1 with SVGA 16 bit cards with 56k dialup modems a chance to fight in WvW

you mistake t8 for t7.