Guild Wars 2

This random match up system is ridiculous.
Borlis Pass continuously rolls high servers and keeps gaining rating while a server like SBI which has the population and coverage of a T3-T2 server keeps getting matched with low servers and staying within rank 10-13 when they should be in top 7 or so.

Give SBI the match ups they deserve and want. Whenever they start moving up the ranks, they’re matched with servers like NSP and IoJ to move them back down, which really irritates T4 servers like ourselves and YB because its simply a game of numbers.

The random match ups are a good asset to WvW, however you aren’t doing it right.

I’m sure SBI can also agree with me.. They have effortless match ups every week.

We’ve had 5 straight weeks of absolutely terrible matchups now on IoJ

We either roflstomp the other servers or get roflstomped ourselves (hi SBI), it’s been a loooong time since we’ve seen a competitive matchup

Support the above comments and point out that it is only too obvious that rank 17 server should not be placed against a rank 10 server….this is not football (on any given Sunday)…disregarding server population, average participation in wvw differences make some matches absurdly untenable. Encounters on the Borderland matches of 20 vs. 6 can ONLY end with the smaller competitor losing. If the entire borderland is competing at this kind of ratio (more populous server vs. significantly less populous) what incentive is there for the less populous serve to continue playing wvw…lending itself to exacerbating the already uneven odds.

In fact…having just revisited the borderlands, I have decided to boycott WvW until I see evidence that ANET has resolved this ridiculousness. When one server can roll up 90 -95% of all borderlands withing a couple of hours of server reset, there is clearly a problem. It is no fun. Good luck.

Well, before too long we won’t have totally random matchups any more, with the league system, if you’re a low ranked server, you have to fight a server way above you at least once, no matter what! There, they fixed it.

Leagues are the nirvana we all seek, yesno?!

Kaos.9162:

Well, before too long we won’t have totally random matchups any more, with the league system, if you’re a low ranked server, you have to fight a server way above you at least once, no matter what! There, they fixed it.

Yep, I’m predicting massive guild transfer churn, and overall burnout for all those servers ranked 6-12. They all implode, pushing 13-18 up, rinse and repeat as needed. The “medalists” are written in stone the week the tournament begins. The only thing to be seen is who’s unlucky enough to get stuck with #12 instead of #13.

The difference between servers ranked 1 and 12 as well as 13 and 24 is absurd, and those matchups are going to be zero fun for either side.

With “balanced” matchups as bad as they are already, the imminent “tournament” is going to be a 2 month long slow motion train wreck. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t see it coming, except Anet of course.

At least you’re no longer on NSP: we’ve gotten SBI then CD then SBI again the last three weeks!

ANet, please give Borlis Pass easy matchups so they can tank their rating with ease to get the 13 rank.
I’m pretty sure that’s what the OP was getting at.

Shonie.5297:

ANet, please give Borlis Pass easy matchups so they can tank their rating with ease to get the 13 rank.
I’m pretty sure that’s what the OP was getting at.

ANet, please continue too give Stormbluff Isle easy matchups so they can continue to think they’re the best server with all those transfers.. Mmmmm, so good. I’m pretty sure thats where you were getting at.

Also, i have no idea why you think we’re tanking the matches.. o.0

Lord Kuru.3685:

At least you’re no longer on NSP: we’ve gotten SBI then CD then SBI again the last three weeks!

Yeah well we keep getting matched up with SBI (zergball fest since transfers), Maguuma and this week CD and SoS.. Its not so pretty here aswell man xD

Noodica.5428:

Shonie.5297:

ANet, please give Borlis Pass easy matchups so they can tank their rating with ease to get the 13 rank.
I’m pretty sure that’s what the OP was getting at.

ANet, please continue too give Stormbluff Isle easy matchups so they can continue to think they’re the best server with all those transfers.. Mmmmm, so good. I’m pretty sure thats where you were getting at.

Also, i have no idea why you think we’re tanking the matches.. o.0

Well, we did discuss it and our community voted on whether to tank or not. Despite deciding not to by a huge margin, the fact that we voted at all opens the door to mouthbreathers insisting that we are tanking.

Epistemic.8013:

Noodica.5428:

Shonie.5297:

ANet, please give Borlis Pass easy matchups so they can tank their rating with ease to get the 13 rank.
I’m pretty sure that’s what the OP was getting at.

ANet, please continue too give Stormbluff Isle easy matchups so they can continue to think they’re the best server with all those transfers.. Mmmmm, so good. I’m pretty sure thats where you were getting at.

Also, i have no idea why you think we’re tanking the matches.. o.0

Well, we did discuss it and our community voted on whether to tank or not. Despite deciding not to by a huge margin, the fact that we voted at all opens the door to mouthbreathers insisting that we are tanking.

Couldn’t +1 this enough times xD

I support the OP. We really need new match ups.

yeah….erm so we rolled sor http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/map/1002

yea.. freaking sucks.. we are NOT having fun Selan, NONE AT ALL…

Jiiub.7135:

yea.. freaking sucks.. we are NOT having fun Selan, NONE AT ALL…

but but but we are trying so hard…… at lest we ninjad your hilld 2 times with 14 golems ….and u took it back after 5 min… but its the thought that counts.
btw. iron one big sea of red!!!!!i thought it wasnt possible but i think we wiped in less than a second…..o.0"

Noodica.5428:

Shonie.5297:

ANet, please give Borlis Pass easy matchups so they can tank their rating with ease to get the 13 rank.
I’m pretty sure that’s what the OP was getting at.

ANet, please continue too give Stormbluff Isle easy matchups so they can continue to think they’re the best server with all those transfers.. Mmmmm, so good. I’m pretty sure thats where you were getting at.

Also, i have no idea why you think we’re tanking the matches.. o.0

funny enough they do have anet employe running with sbi in wvw on regular basis

and even funnier is how sbi once again gets same best keep in eb……… too much of coincidence

Cynz.9437:

Noodica.5428:

Shonie.5297:

ANet, please give Borlis Pass easy matchups so they can tank their rating with ease to get the 13 rank.
I’m pretty sure that’s what the OP was getting at.

ANet, please continue too give Stormbluff Isle easy matchups so they can continue to think they’re the best server with all those transfers.. Mmmmm, so good. I’m pretty sure thats where you were getting at.

Also, i have no idea why you think we’re tanking the matches.. o.0

funny enough they do have anet employe running with sbi in wvw on regular basis

and even funnier is how sbi once again gets same best keep in eb……… too much of coincidence

Since when is Green the best keep? I would take Red any day. That is not even counting the fact that Green keep’s south double gates are bugged allowing flame rams from the first gate to hit the second gate.

Of course SBI really wants to roll a higher match-up. The current match-up is pretty stupid and I would like to get as much experience with some higher rolls before the season starts.

because if you can’t hold SM, red keep is worthless
blue keep is easiest one to take and keep as paper
green one is actually far away and can’t be trebbed/cata from all sides

Jiiub.7135:

yea.. freaking sucks.. we are NOT having fun Selan, NONE AT ALL…

I bet you can’t wait for the league where the rank 12 server gets to test its mettle and show you what it’s made of!

Don’t worry guys, once Devon gets leagues up and running imbalanced match ups will be much less prevalent.

The problem with match-ups is that WvW participation varies too much across the different PvE servers.

• There simply aren’t enough PvE servers with comparable levels of WvW participation to make good match-ups a common event (or to allow variation in those few cases where balanced 3-way match-ups can occur).

ANet have tried several different methods of creating match-ups for WvW and they have all failed for this same reason. The upcoming league is yet another attempt, but only a very small number of PvE servers have enough interest in WvW to compete effectively regardless of how big a reward Anet offers to the winners.

The solution to the match-up problem is to create servers that are more balanced.

ANet are saying this isn’t possible, but that’s only because they are keeping the WvW servers tied to the PvE servers. Why? That’s how Anet built it originally and although it has failed to deliver good WvW match-ups, the success of competition at the top of the WvW tables gives the false impression that the current server system can work. The increased rewards offered in the upcoming league indicates makes it clear Anet are hoping success of WvW at the top of the tables will somehow magically ripple down to all the other PvE servers. What is overlooked here is that the success of competition at the top of the tables is an aberration caused by active WvW’ers migrating to the WvW server of their choice. In short, WvW match-ups have only been successful where people have ignored the PvE-WvW link and instead treated servers as WvW destinations in their own right.

What if Anet separated WvW from the PvE servers? This would allow:

1. WvW servers to have balanced populations
2. Consolidation of low population servers into populations that are far more competitive in WvW

The result would be would be far more balanced WvW servers and far more competitive match-ups – this has got to be good for WvW.

TLDR: The idea that WvW servers can’t be balanced is an outdated fiction that is hurting WvW. The solution is to:

1. Separate the WvW and PvE servers
2. Consolidate servers with low WvW participation
3. Balance WvW populations in same way as PvE server populations.

Lol all the sarcasm dripping from these posts. I love it! <3

Cynz.9437:

funny enough they do have anet employe running with sbi in wvw on regular basis

Really??! Can you see Anet dev tags on opposing servers? I’d REALLY like to show him/her my appreciation for the direction Anet is taking WvW — over and over and over again.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Cynz.9437:

funny enough they do have anet employe running with sbi in wvw on regular basis

Really??! Can you see Anet dev tags on opposing servers? I’d REALLY like to show him/her my appreciation for the direction Anet is taking WvW — over and over and over again.

Dont worry you wont. They believe in sitting on an arrow cart behind a T3 keep as the ultimate show of skill.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Cynz.9437:

funny enough they do have anet employe running with sbi in wvw on regular basis

Really??! Can you see Anet dev tags on opposing servers? I’d REALLY like to show him/her my appreciation for the direction Anet is taking WvW — over and over and over again.

Yeah you sure can, it’s a bit of a bullseye to be honest, people will literally run through zergs to get em. You can find them in sPvP too.

It’s 1 v 50 in EB
Anet, stop &&&ing up my game!

Meeks.1079:

Since when is Green the best keep? I would take Red any day. That is not even counting the fact that Green keep’s south double gates are bugged allowing flame rams from the first gate to hit the second gate.

Back before the random slots started, here’s what happened: the team that was predicted to win would get green. Then the second team would get blue. Lastly, there’d be red.

Green is the best keep simply because it’s in the most easily defended spot on the map. All that water makes running around harder for invading forces. Quentin is a nice plug that no one really seems to want to pass except for minor annoyances at Danelon and other supply camps.

Blue is pretty much the worst side of the map. There’s really nothing that gives it an edge, and if blue doesn’t control SM, then the only reason blue can hold Quentin and the other SM-proximity tower is because the forces that do control SM are lazy. What I’m saying is, SM can put up trebs that cannot be countertrebbed by blue.

Red is a great side for a few reasons. The first is, of course, if you control the keep, you control red land. The keep can range anything on their side of the map except one tiny supply camp. Second, the red keep has range on northern SM, meaning it’s the easiest side to do a breach on (green can do it too, but from towers, not a keep).

How matches used to run would be this: since green would have the best defense by virtue of their position and the most people (because coverage is the only thing that matters), they would start the match by curbstomping red’s keep. Once that fell, they’d treb it up and proceed to claim red’s lands. Then they’d turn their attention on blue after neutering red.

Now, of course, matches end up with the side with the most people/off-hour coverage can start in, say, red.

It really is pretty sad because EBG really is a pretty well designed asymmetrical map.

Noodica.5428:

Shonie.5297:

ANet, please give Borlis Pass easy matchups so they can tank their rating with ease to get the 13 rank.
I’m pretty sure that’s what the OP was getting at.

ANet, please continue too give Stormbluff Isle easy matchups so they can continue to think they’re the best server with all those transfers.. Mmmmm, so good. I’m pretty sure thats where you were getting at.

Also, i have no idea why you think we’re tanking the matches.. o.0

So…
You make a sarcastic comment about not knowing why anyone would think you want to tank matchups…
There’s numerous threads on the BP forums about this exact issue.
Someone from your server confirms that the discussion has been had by people in your server to tank the matchups.
You agree that he makes a good point and call anyone that thinks that BP may want to tank matchups ‘mouthbreathers’.

Uhhh ok…

Shonie.5297:

Noodica.5428:

Shonie.5297:

ANet, please give Borlis Pass easy matchups so they can tank their rating with ease to get the 13 rank.
I’m pretty sure that’s what the OP was getting at.

ANet, please continue too give Stormbluff Isle easy matchups so they can continue to think they’re the best server with all those transfers.. Mmmmm, so good. I’m pretty sure thats where you were getting at.

Also, i have no idea why you think we’re tanking the matches.. o.0

So…
You make a sarcastic comment about not knowing why anyone would think you want to tank matchups…
There’s numerous threads on the BP forums about this exact issue.
Someone from your server confirms that the discussion has been had by people in your server to tank the matchups.
You agree that he makes a good point and call anyone that thinks that BP may want to tank matchups ‘mouthbreathers’.

Uhhh ok…

You’re not very good at this. Maybe Jinks will take you under his wing.