Guild Wars 2

Dear Anet,

please consider merging Vabbi+Fow or hardcapping the number of players allowed to enter WvW at the same time to fix this because Arborstone absolutely steamrolls and dominates this matchup with 10x the manpower of Fow+Vabbi. I’ll let the pictures speak for themselves
*AS has superior amount of zerg
*AS controls 80-95% of territory all the time
*AS has 7x the points of Vabbi+Fow COMBINED
*Towers and Keeps are impossible to take because AS can have them reinforced due to overwhelming numbers of players
*bonuses above keep snowballing ingame and increasingly fast demoralizes vabbi+fow players, resulting in ppl quitting and this matchup becoming even more lopsided
*vabbi+fow players can’t get ‘Been There, Done That’ because there is no chance in Hell the Eternal Battlegrounds can be contested

I demand Anet attention. Last rotation Blacktide dominated us but this is even more ridiculous.

It was more important that SFR received more people, sorry but you couldn’t have them.

(a) its T9 = who gives a kitten
(b) Vabbi and FOW are the worst of the worst of the worst – it doesn’t matter who goes in there with them they’ll lose hard. A small slice of dutch cheese would steamroll them.

T1 has seen similar pie charts of late, you’re not alone. WvW is a deeply flawed system where neglect and imbalance fester in every tier, where an epic offensive or defensive is equal to a zerg of people hitting a door and lag will bring any 3 way prime time fight to a stammering button mash of skill lags across the entire map.

Anet launched WvWvW with an orb system, which in my opinion shows that, at least then, they didn’t understand the game they had made – week long fights where strong sides get 15% stronger, it was just silly.

They’ve still done nothing that demonstrates competence, but apparently WvW has a new man in charge, which both suggests change might be coming and makes one think they realised the old one was in over their head.

tagnut.8621:

(a) its T9 = who gives a kitten
(b) Vabbi and FOW are the worst of the worst of the worst – it doesn’t matter who goes in there with them they’ll lose hard. A small slice of dutch cheese would steamroll them.

and this is why the servers need to be merged asap so that people on the mentioned weak servers could have fun in wvw.

Bottom tier woes. It’s always going to be a one-way story down there. There are two servers that the system throws into the trash. I feel sorry for you guys, but I think you should definitely move if you want WvW.

Ironically if the top server on the list becomes way too powerful and dominates, there is nothing in the system to stop it from stomping every week. That’s just the way it is. Some things will never change.

Asko.4120:

tagnut.8621:

(a) its T9 = who gives a kitten
(b) Vabbi and FOW are the worst of the worst of the worst – it doesn’t matter who goes in there with them they’ll lose hard. A small slice of dutch cheese would steamroll them.

and this is why the servers need to be merged asap so that people on the mentioned weak servers could have fun in wvw.

And 26 divides into 3s so well……

tagnut.8621:

(a) its T9 = who gives a kitten
(b) Vabbi and FOW are the worst of the worst of the worst – it doesn’t matter who goes in there with them they’ll lose hard. A small slice of dutch cheese would steamroll them.

Ooh and these interesting assumptions are based on what exactly? C:

Btw, since I don’t think tiering up or things like that aren’t a problem nor the main focus, I still agree of course that this situation is terribly sad for both Vabbi and FoW because we rarely get the fun in WvW, depending on which server is green at the moment. |:

Still I have to say I’m quite enjoying this match so far, I can only speak for FoW but we’ve been putting up some good skirmishes with Arborstone (both on theirs and our side), not only them erasing us with zergs 24h24. C:

Well, first off I’m on Fissure of Woe. To all the people that’re giving negative comments such as “oh, we’re bad, so bad” etc – is just plain ignorant. Yes, there’s bad players. You can’t say there isn’t any in your servers, now can you?

The point of the thread is. Vabbi + Fissure of Woe are outnumbered by a couple of hundred. These two servers are on “medium” population. The others are on very high. I’m not sure of how much difference there is in number. But you can definitely see it in WvW.
So you’re saying the whole server is bad just because the other server outnumbers you 5 to 1, hell even 10 to 1. Which seems not that exaggerated.

Within the first hour when the restart occurred – they already had the whole place taken over… Now you’re telling me that we’re just plain bad? Go write such absurd kitten somewhere else.

Many people know that WvW is unbalanced at this moment, and always was. But something need to be done about it. If we can provide valid and decent suggestions. Which really could change the balance of WvW is at this very moment. Why not do so?

why are you asking to be merged when you can simply move to a medium server? Plenty of good servers to move to if all people leave those 2 dead servers and Anet will then be able to close them down altogether, or leave them as phantom servers so the lowest server can feel like a boss

Im on AS and i dont have any solution for Vabbi and FoW.
Anyway i would like (and everyone in the forum should do the same) to congrats them because even after months of being stomped due to the WvW mechanic, they are still playing and trying to have fun on the server they choose.

PS : i think its funny from a Deso player to tell them to change server. Are you thinking of leaving your server when you are stomped by VS or SFR?

tagnut.8621:

(a) its T9 = who gives a kitten
(b) Vabbi and FOW are the worst of the worst of the worst – it doesn’t matter who goes in there with them they’ll lose hard. A small slice of dutch cheese would steamroll them.

Calling someone bad just because they don’t have enough people in wvw and you can “steamroll” groups of 5-10 players with your kitten,mindless,button smashing zergs of 100’s people…way to go sir.There is no fair play here at all.Even a 12 year old can folow the zerg press one attack skill when see a enemy player and get his reward for it.Should anyone think highly about himself because of this?I don’t think so.

As someone that was stuck in the Glicko Ghetto of t8 (NA) for way too long. I really hope they do something that fixes this across the board.

And I don’t know why they didn’t artificially inflate the two lowest EU servers (like they did with ET and FC) so that Arbor can jump out of t9. Yeah, maybe the other server’s would hammer you just as well, but as we saw with the NA match-ups, that wasn’t even close to what happened.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

And I don’t know why they didn’t artificially inflate the two lowest EU servers (like they did with ET and FC) so that Arbor can jump out of t9. Yeah, maybe the other server’s would hammer you just as well, but as we saw with the NA match-ups, that wasn’t even close to what happened.

Probably because Arborstone only came down on Friday and are on course to go back up this Friday. The EU situation is not the same as the situation the US had, there is no pit at this time.

Psychotic.3560:

Probably because Arborstone only came down on Friday and are on course to go back up this Friday. The EU situation is not the same as the situation the US had, there is no pit at this time.

Oh my bad, then yeah, if there is still movement, that’s an entirely separate problem.

I’m from FoW as well and first of all i would thank everyone for their support, and to everyone who says we’re bad, well I dare you to face us with the same amount of players we have Yesterday evening we were able to vlear halve of our borderlands because arbor “only” outnumbered us 3 to 1. Then i guess someone shouted out at arbor because in the next ten minutes we were back at our spawning point since we were outnumbered 20 to 1. Now this may seem exagerated, but i can guarantee that when you took a tower with 5 or 6 peeps, and you see a carpet of red arbor names steamrolling over to you, i confess i was quite intimidated. In about one minute there were 50 peeps through the gate while atleast another 50 ran past to the next keep.

I don’t really have a suggestion about how we could work on this, but please try and fix this, just so we know you’re working on it. I still have fun at WvW but that’s solely because we do it with some friends, not because of the game itself, how it should be.

And to all the people saying just switch server, you should think about it, that that’s almost an impossible idea, since that would mean asking thousands of people to pay just to enjoy the game in the same way as other people do, who by sheer coincidence picked the right server. If Anet thinks this would solve things they should make transfering free for some time i think, atleast for our servers.

Angelwood.7652:

And to all the people saying just switch server, you should think about it, that that’s almost an impossible idea, since that would mean asking thousands of people to pay just to enjoy the game in the same way as other people do, who by sheer coincidence picked the right server. If Anet thinks this would solve things they should make transfering free for some time i think, atleast for our servers.

I agree with you, but switching server isn’t THAT impossible. Around 10 golds to switch to a medium server isn’t so much. Believe me, if you are serious about wvw, this is the best way to spend 10 golds.

PS: And I don’t know about your group, but I can ensure you that playing wvw in an organized guild/group is 100 times the fun.

Santus is right. A transfer is roughly 600 (?) gems and 100 gems are about 2 gold and 30 silver I think. 13 gold and 80 silver shouldn’t be that hard to get for a level 80.

If all those people didn’t transfer in Vabbi of Woe because they were losing badly, they would have enough players.

Kuull.3147:

Well, first off I’m on Fissure of Woe. To all the people that’re giving negative comments such as “oh, we’re bad, so bad” etc – is just plain ignorant. Yes, there’s bad players. You can’t say there isn’t any in your servers, now can you?

The point of the thread is. Vabbi + Fissure of Woe are outnumbered by a couple of hundred. These two servers are on “medium” population. The others are on very high. I’m not sure of how much difference there is in number. But you can definitely see it in WvW.
So you’re saying the whole server is bad just because the other server outnumbers you 5 to 1, hell even 10 to 1. Which seems not that exaggerated.

Within the first hour when the restart occurred – they already had the whole place taken over… Now you’re telling me that we’re just plain bad? Go write such absurd kitten somewhere else.

Many people know that WvW is unbalanced at this moment, and always was. But something need to be done about it. If we can provide valid and decent suggestions. Which really could change the balance of WvW is at this very moment. Why not do so?

Vabbi and FoW were bad before they were outmanned. There’s a reason they’re in T9.

Now they’re bad and outmanned. There’s a reason awful players in higher tiers are told to go back to Vabbi…..

Santus.3702:

Angelwood.7652:

And to all the people saying just switch server, you should think about it, that that’s almost an impossible idea, since that would mean asking thousands of people to pay just to enjoy the game in the same way as other people do, who by sheer coincidence picked the right server. If Anet thinks this would solve things they should make transfering free for some time i think, atleast for our servers.

I agree with you, but switching server isn’t THAT impossible. Around 10 golds to switch to a medium server isn’t so much. Believe me, if you are serious about wvw, this is the best way to spend 10 golds.

PS: And I don’t know about your group, but I can ensure you that playing wvw in an organized guild/group is 100 times the fun.

We do alot of organised WvW too, and it is very fun, hence the fact I still do WvW. I know it isn’t that much, but the simple idea of us needing to pay for something you experience as normal just isn’t right. Besides i have alot of server love, everyone has for their server i think (or atleast hope) That combined with the fact i don’t want to build an entirely new friend and guild base on a new server tells me that for most of us, merging vabbi, FoW and maybe even WSR would be the (imho) best solution.

tagnut.8621:

Kuull.3147:

Well, first off I’m on Fissure of Woe. To all the people that’re giving negative comments such as “oh, we’re bad, so bad” etc – is just plain ignorant. Yes, there’s bad players. You can’t say there isn’t any in your servers, now can you?

The point of the thread is. Vabbi + Fissure of Woe are outnumbered by a couple of hundred. These two servers are on “medium” population. The others are on very high. I’m not sure of how much difference there is in number. But you can definitely see it in WvW.
So you’re saying the whole server is bad just because the other server outnumbers you 5 to 1, hell even 10 to 1. Which seems not that exaggerated.

Within the first hour when the restart occurred – they already had the whole place taken over… Now you’re telling me that we’re just plain bad? Go write such absurd kitten somewhere else.

Many people know that WvW is unbalanced at this moment, and always was. But something need to be done about it. If we can provide valid and decent suggestions. Which really could change the balance of WvW is at this very moment. Why not do so?

Vabbi and FoW were bad before they were outmanned. There’s a reason they’re in T9.

Now they’re bad and outmanned. There’s a reason awful players in higher tiers are told to go back to Vabbi…..

Sorry for double post but i just wanted to say that vabbi and FoW were always outnumbered, although now more then ever. I would REALLY like to see how you handle WvW being outnumbered 5 to 1 when you’re lucky, 10 to 1 when you’re not

tagnut.8621:

Vabbi and FoW were bad before they were outmanned. There’s a reason they’re in T9.

Of course, we are soooo bad, we have no idea how to capture a keep or tower, we have no clue what the underwater power nodes in homelands do, …

Ok, those fancy higher tiers might think they are better than the lower ones, but I’m sure they’re easily proven wrong.. It has been stated before: WvW nowadays is nothing more than a “how big is your zerg” battle..

Now they’re bad and outmanned. There’s a reason awful players in higher tiers are told to go back to Vabbi…..

Although they are our enemies, I don’t like how higher tier players really think they are so much more than a player on a lower tier server..

Please, if it’s merely a matter of skill (and not numbers): I’m sure most people at FoW/Vabbi would be glad to have some duels against those higher tier servers..
Unfortunately we lose hard when the question “how big is your zerg” is raised though..

To get a number of server that can be divided into matches you would need to merge 4 servers into 1 (or 3 into 1 plus 2 into 1 or three times 2 into 1).

Whiteside Ridge + Blacktide + Vabbi + Fow
or
Blacktide + Vabbi + Fow and (Arborstone + Fort Ranik or Dzagonur + Drakkar Lake)
or
2 pairs out of Whiteside Ridge + Blacktide + Vabbi + Fow and Arborstone + Fort Ranik or Dzagonur + Drakkar Lake

But do all these servers see it like you? It’s not even clear that all Vabbi and FoW see it like you! Esp. the PvE-player may see it completely different.

And in any case, you do not need an ANet action for a merge, just transfer to the server you want to merge

Angelwood.7652:

Santus.3702:

Angelwood.7652:

And to all the people saying just switch server, you should think about it, that that’s almost an impossible idea, since that would mean asking thousands of people to pay just to enjoy the game in the same way as other people do, who by sheer coincidence picked the right server. If Anet thinks this would solve things they should make transfering free for some time i think, atleast for our servers.

I agree with you, but switching server isn’t THAT impossible. Around 10 golds to switch to a medium server isn’t so much. Believe me, if you are serious about wvw, this is the best way to spend 10 golds.

PS: And I don’t know about your group, but I can ensure you that playing wvw in an organized guild/group is 100 times the fun.

We do alot of organised WvW too, and it is very fun, hence the fact I still do WvW. I know it isn’t that much, but the simple idea of us needing to pay for something you experience as normal just isn’t right. Besides i have alot of server love, everyone has for their server i think (or atleast hope) That combined with the fact i don’t want to build an entirely new friend and guild base on a new server tells me that for most of us, merging vabbi, FoW and maybe even WSR would be the (imho) best solution.

You need to pay “something” to play properly. When running dungeons you need to pay for an exotic equipment, or you can run it with a rare equipment and have a less enjoyable experience. Transfer is an investment. You pay a bit to have a better wvw experience. And don’t forget that there are wvw guilds that can refund your transfer bill (I refund from 50% to 100% when players from other servers contact me, and they are serious enough). About guild and friends: GUEST. New server and guild for wvw, old guild and friends for pve (with guesting). No problem at all. Love for your server? Ok, but it’s not worth to waste your game experience for it.

WvW is fine, facing the same servers week after week is fine, being the loser simply because the other server has more people is fine, there is no problem, go back to work minions!

Tribio.8531:

Unfortunately we lose hard when the question “how big is your zerg” is raised though..

what zerg?
I guess, a single Millers Zergball at primetime is as big as your entire WvW population.

naphack.9346:

Tribio.8531:

Unfortunately we lose hard when the question “how big is your zerg” is raised though..

what zerg?
I guess, a single Millers Zergball at primetime is as big as your entire WvW population.

And thus proving my point that WvW is way too much defined by numbers and not nearly enough by skills portraited..

would you rather have 5 players spamming AoE on a bridge being able to stop 80+ players from taking a tower?

If those 5 players use their environment perfectly and make the 80 players pass through a chokepoint, where they can get nuked? Of course..

What I wanted to state was that, since you remarked the zerg on T1 is as big as the WvW population of T9, that WvW is too much number driven.. :p

SInce when is Millers Sound T1? :P
They still have friggin large zergs at prime time.
Honestly, the diff between T1 and Tx|x<8 is not the size of the prime time zergs but the size of the off-hour zergs and the communication between shifts.

Ofc, T9 servers can not even field full prime time Zergs, so there is a difference :>

tagnut.8621:

(a) its T9 = who gives a kitten
(b) Vabbi and FOW are the worst of the worst of the worst – it doesn’t matter who goes in there with them they’ll lose hard. A small slice of dutch cheese would steamroll them.

Stagnut i would bet my 1 copper coin you were in FoW or Vabbi when this game has launched :p

Your words is pure flaming and obviously something, somehwere, must still burning..

Stay in your higher tier and please refrain yourself to dictate this nonsense.
We in FoW don t want a zerg vs zerg 10 fps rate – low skills involved combat mechanincs

You enjoy where you are and leave other to do the same, and while you are there eat that dutch cheese you are so proud of and leave the real “thing” to us, thanks :p

Woohoo, Kaosberg for president!!
(since already a darn good commander)

Ivano.2604:

tagnut.8621:

(a) its T9 = who gives a kitten
(b) Vabbi and FOW are the worst of the worst of the worst – it doesn’t matter who goes in there with them they’ll lose hard. A small slice of dutch cheese would steamroll them.

Stagnut i would bet my 1 copper coin you were in FoW or Vabbi when this game has launched :p

Your words is pure flaming and obviously something, somehwere, must still burning..

Stay in your higher tier and please refrain yourself to dictate this nonsense.
We in FoW don t want a zerg vs zerg 10 fps rate – low skills involved combat mechanincs

You enjoy where you are and leave other to do the same, and while you are there eat that dutch cheese you are so proud of and leave the real “thing” to us, thanks :p

Ina competitive environment theres a reason vabbi is at the bottom. Clue – its not because you’re good.

It might be because they’re no more than 20 when they’re a lot, no more than 5 or 6 is their usual. And people would think no matter how good you are, 5 or 6 against two servers and with four borderlands to take might be a problem.

@ tagnut
and who are you to say that we are bad hmm? You don’t seem to know the first thing about FoW so it is a good idea to keep quiet about things that you don’t know about :P

Oh let the poor sod be, i know he’s wrong, you know he’s wrong, we all know he’s wrong. If screaming nonsense on about our servers makes him happy, i say let him

O my there we go again. (warning long post ahead )

FoW player here (since the start of the game) (better known to most WvW players as Vin Lady Venture ) Yes we have a numbers difference in WvW and yes its bad at some times however last night we managed to hold the garrison the whole time against impossible numbers, and even got it to upgrade. This morning we went on again and had a decent battle and got arborstone off our border, including the upgraded green tower. near their spawn And we had some great battles doing it. No we don’t have giant big zergs that do the karma train the whole time, but we have some advantages as well. We hardly ever have que’s for WvW so we can start nice WvW events with some guilds together and actually take the a keep + tower or 2 just to get the poi + vista inside for players who miss them. So yes its more a hit and run strategy but a lot of fun none the less. it needs a lot of strategy to pull it off but when it works its great. Yes sometimes you fail as well but thats part of the game, you can’t win them all.

The hardest one to get is the green keep on EB but we also managed to take that down 2 weeks ago (and with it a lot of players got their map completion)

So yes don’t get the illusion we from Fow will get the whole map the whole time, but we certainly can (and do) have a lot of fun.

Biggest problem for a lot of players in the server is indeed to get the map completion done. It would REALLY help if Arena net would rotate the colors and maps more often since Fow And Vabbi can take their own border pretty regularly, and (if we push push a bit)our own corner of Eternal battle ground is also very possible to get. At the moment we lose a lot of (PvE) players because they want to get their world completion done, but can’t get it due to the WvW maps. If colors would rotate this problem would be a lot less and we have less players who leave us.

For the WvW battles them selves, yes at certain times, we get outmaned really bad (vabbi even worse than FoW) but there is a pretty decent core of WvW players in FoW who stand their ground and always strike back. You will hardly ever see that FoW is not holding anything.
In general its also good to keep the team chat friendly, sometimes when we are out manned some players start to complain in the team chat or scold at other players in the team. This is also not good for morale, yes we get out numbered, yes someone makes a mistake (and again and again) thats part of the game, putting frustrations in team chat once is ok but try not to scold anyone and definitely don’t keep repeating it over and over. This is also a reason why players leave and we lose even more numbers.

I have a great time in WvW in FoW with all the ups and downs. If you like to join a karma train, Fow Or Vabbi is not a server for you. If you like to have diverse WvW, were you can really make a difference when you organize a WvW event with your guild or some more guilds, or even if you like to do WvW in a small group and take camps and towers, you can do that here and make that difference. We don’t care that much about points, if you kill a dolyak on your own GREAT JOB, no scolding that it should have been done with X players for the points. You just have to be aware that you can be outnumbered badly and know when you have to withdraw (or switch maps and continue). Then again, since the patch that made it that you get no damage to armor when your killed with an [outmanned] buf, it does not even really matter if you get killed by the large group.

Unlike some other ranks were all maps are full and they are in lock down we can play wvw, hop in when we want and get things done.

Yes losing an upgraded keep / tower to superior numbers hurts, but taking one from them is also way more rewarding. Just don’t pay to close attention to the scores and have fun in WvW.

We are definitely not a bad Server with bad WvW players, our resolve and accomplishments against greater numbers prove that much. Lots of moves during open transfer times are in a large part to blame for this situation, but that has been solved now. Time to slowly build up our strength again. Yes you can run from a hard situation, or you can just stand your ground and try to make things better. Now to hope that Arena net will help us a bit by increasing the map rotations so players in outnumbered servers can also get their map completion done and don’t need to leave us just to get map completion. That would resolve a lot of the issues there.

See you on the battle field (approx. once a week in large scale as i also have other things to do but i also drop in from time to time )

Vin Lady Venture

Hey i was on FoW almost all my time up until about a month ago, when i switched servers.

Let me get this straight. People in any other tier does not realise how unbalanced this tier is. FoW has good and bad players just like any other server, and this is not the problem. The problem is there simply isnt enough people on the server.

Lets just talk about vabbi for a second. Why is there no one in this topic claiming to be from vabbi? Because vabbi has NO people. maybe 15 or max 20 during peak hours. 0 people on during half the Days. (seriously)

T9 is not wvwvw, its wvw. Merging the two servers would solve nothing, as vabbi and fow almost never fight anyway. its a 3v20v150 situation. would making it 23v150 help? no.

Im on ros now and Reading the topics here about unbalance that and wsr has more or less people bla bla… i Think what the hell are you talking about, Barley any difference and since its a threeway it doesnt matter much anyway.

Our prime time numbers match that of Arborstone, thats not actually the time thats causing the problem. If we want a solution to the problem, we need to be accurate.

Nonetheless I’ve been enjoying this match up, so I’d like to give props to Arborstone for being such a well organised opponent and to Warriors Vabbi [WvW] (Is that right?) for coming into our Borderland most nights and making things a bit more interesting.

Angelwood.7652:

Oh let the poor sod be, i know he’s wrong, you know he’s wrong, we all know he’s wrong. If screaming nonsense on about our servers makes him happy, i say let him

Then if you’re so good why are you last.

Cos that’s how it works in the real world – the best teams finish last, the best runners finish last etc.

BlueViking.7105:

Hey i was on FoW almost all my time up until about a month ago, when i switched servers.

Let me get this straight. People in any other tier does not realise how unbalanced this tier is. FoW has good and bad players just like any other server, and this is not the problem. The problem is there simply isnt enough people on the server.

Lets just talk about vabbi for a second. Why is there no one in this topic claiming to be from vabbi? Because vabbi has NO people. maybe 15 or max 20 during peak hours. 0 people on during half the Days. (seriously)

T9 is not wvwvw, its wvw. Merging the two servers would solve nothing, as vabbi and fow almost never fight anyway. its a 3v20v150 situation. would making it 23v150 help? no.

Im on ros now and Reading the topics here about unbalance that and wsr has more or less people bla bla… i Think what the hell are you talking about, Barley any difference and since its a threeway it doesnt matter much anyway.

Hey!
I’m from vabbi and while your observations are true, we don’t have many, we do however not give up as easily as some, i’d rather have the few people we have who are dedicated too vabbi and fighting hard for what we have then lots of people who when they start losing leave the server.
I <3 vabbi and the people! See you all in tier 1, our time will come :P

wow, a LOT of my friends posting here:D hi ixjamo, effsee, kaosberg, vin lady, freya, angelwood, smoking, and everyone i didnt name. tagnut, we arent the worst of the worst, we are the outnumberest of the outnumberest;D (FYI i know its not a word, its a little test of your intelligence, since you are not seeming to have a very high IQ;D) anyways, we do fairly well as far as skill, 2 days ago in EB we took our keep and held it for 4 hours with 20 people on our side and 60 on theirs. i used siege weapon after siege weapon after siege weapon, cashed in my badges for siege weapons, used all my money for siege weapons, and i had a GREAT time. we have fun, just, we would like an even matchup. we arent complaining about being the worst of the worst, because that isnt true, and anyone who says that we ARE the worst of the worst is dead to me. so thats my 2 cents.

My Dead Characters.9517:

… freya ….

Howdy!

anyways, we do fairly well as far as skill

That we sure do..

Mentioned it earlier to our friend that being in a lower tier doesn’t mean that your skills are worse than higher tier players, but the fact that we don’t have enough people on during prime- and downtime is killing us.. I have seen times where FoW captured quite a bit of the WvW maps, but when downtime starts our green opponent (love to our red opponents!! ) always manages to start recapping, since there is no one left from us to defend..

tagnut.8621:

(a) its T9 = who gives a kitten
(b) Vabbi and FOW are the worst of the worst of the worst – it doesn’t matter who goes in there with them they’ll lose hard. A small slice of dutch cheese would steamroll them.

I think you’re not smart. You have your opinion and this is mine.

Where is your outmanned buff?

Rizach.4852:

Where is your outmanned buff?

I would like to know as well (I’m on FoW). I’ve noticed we had only ONE outpost and that was a mere camp… But we still didn’t have the “outmanned” buff. So not exactly sure if it’s even working as intended.

But I’ll add again – It’s not that everyone in the server is bad. Just that we get outmanned so much it ain’t possible to make a “stand”. Well, maybe on one outpost e.g. a keep or tower but in that time we try and defend the keep or tower. The other borderlands are already taken over. So that’s where this thread comes in. Imbalanced.

There is only one solution. We on FoW and our friends on Vabbi must ‘get busy’ and indoctrinate a new generation… errr I mean something less sinister sounding. Yes.
Lets transfer instead. I hear our old bff RoS is nice this time of year. :D

Kuull.3147:

Rizach.4852:

Where is your outmanned buff?

I would like to know as well (I’m on FoW). I’ve noticed we had only ONE outpost and that was a mere camp… But we still didn’t have the “outmanned” buff. So not exactly sure if it’s even working as intended.

I have a (partial?) answer to the outmanned buff being absent: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Bot-Hot-Spots/page/3#post1882137
Our guild found them whilst in (what was) Arborstone BL.

To my servermates and honest opposition, this costs us coin, I’d encourage to you take action about this (i.e. report) through the appropriate channels. All info about such things helps!!

tagnut.8621:

Ina competitive environment theres a reason vabbi is at the bottom. Clue – its not because you’re good.

Vabbi is at the bottom because they lost a large amount of players to free server transfers when they were beaten. which is what you are proposing we do, you do not understand WvW at all, you don’t understand what allowing people to transfer for free caused. If our players from FoW transferred to another server because we were losing it would simply add to the problem. Keep running around in your zergs on the higher tiers, I’ll stay loyal to the server I chose and continue to have fun “losing” and killing the zerglings. You keep thinking that having a high rating makes you good, and I’ll keep thinking we’re better for winning what battles we do with lesser numbers.

We have not always been out-manned. We used to be able to fight against servers such as Desolation and still hold points in all areas. but as those day long fights went on we lost more and more players with your mentality to other servers, we continued to shrink in numbers getting dominated more and more every week.

I’ve been on FoW since launch and, while I wouldnt be happy about it, I honestly wouldn’t be too sad to see FoW merged with another server. At least then I could say I stuck with my server till the end and didn’t transfer to some zerg fest like so many others have. If you are proud of being on a server you transferred to good for you. You didn’t help them get to where they were, you didn’t weather the storm, Don’t tell us that we’re bad cause we don’t run away from our problems like so many others. And to all those who left FoW and Vabbi thanks for causing this problem. Enjoy your zergs. I don’t miss you.