Guild Wars 2

Limit them to EoTM.

There is no reason to have them on the Borderlands / EB map.

Wonder if anet thought how badly this could mess up population. Now every single f2p player join very high server and those servers might stay very high until f2p players are lvl60. Think those queues when old, new and f2p players wanna play new borderland. They should send all f2p players to medium servers.

Dawdler.8521:

lordkrall.7241:

Dawdler.8521:

Well, no limitations on WvW.

Expect upper tier spying/sabotage to become 100x worse.

Just… ugh…

How is required to level to 60 no limitations? Not to mention the fact that they can’t use map-chat, nor whisper more often than once every 30 seconds?

That’s not a limitation, lol. It’ll just take them a week or two of lazy playing before they enter WvW.

Won’t even take that long, tbh. They can receive items and gold.

Basically anet is willing to kill pve and wvw in favor of the failed wannabe sport game mode.

-WvW will be filled with spies. Everyone will have 1 account in each server just to spy. Some people already do this now, but they are very few. After the change everyone will have spy accounts.

-The only game mode that benefits from it is spvp.

^ Do you really think that “everyone” will spend the time to get a character up to level 60 on like 20 different accounts?

lordkrall.7241:

^ Do you really think that “everyone” will spend the time to get a character up to level 60 on like 20 different accounts?

For people that treat wvw as their endgame, yes.

i agree no wvw for f2p just EOTM/mist pvp
wvw can’t handle the influx of trolly players/spies its bad enough already. whats to stop people from making an alt account going to the opposing world and trash talking and trolling the other server even with the map chat restrictions it’s far too easy.
throw trash siege in bad places and siege cap an area or order bad upgrades

Hmmm I’m deciding which server to troll with my free alt(s).

lordkrall.7241:

^ Do you really think that “everyone” will spend the time to get a character up to level 60 on like 20 different accounts?

You don’t need 20. Most servers get matched up against the same 2-3 servers every week.

Turamarth.3248:

Free accounts can only access Eotm would probably be the best in my opinion.

I thought this aswell when the news first broke out.

Kinda worried about the state of WvW. Boxing out servers full of dead free accounts so certain servers are always outnumbered. Spies(that happens a lot now as it is, imagine with all these free accounts).

Wouldnt be too worrying if it was EOTM only or if all the free accounts had their own server, but kitten …

displayname.8315:

If that article is real it goes on to say possible limitations are..

•Only one or two character slots
•Limit of level 15
•Seems like a limit on how high a “rank” you can get (specific to trial or possibly PvP related)
•Only able to send mail to friends.
•Can’t send items or gold through mail
•Can’t speak in map chat
•Can’t access Team Arenas
•Can’t access main WvW maps (EB and Borderlands)
•Can’t sell items on TP.

Because of you I don’t need to throw my table over, Thankyou.

My main worry was having people in my PvP game who were unable to communicate with teams and would treat match ups the same as they do on LoL, lots of rage quitting and afk.

Just give f2p players eotm, or only let them join low tier servers.. Its that simple

Dawdler.8521:

lordkrall.7241:

Dawdler.8521:

Well, no limitations on WvW.

Expect upper tier spying/sabotage to become 100x worse.

Just… ugh…

How is required to level to 60 no limitations? Not to mention the fact that they can’t use map-chat, nor whisper more often than once every 30 seconds?

That’s not a limitation, lol. It’ll just take them a week or two of lazy playing before they enter WvW.

Real limitations would be:
- Unable to take supply
- Cant order upgrades
- Cant build siege
- No visible commander tags

At least that would stop the most trolling and AFK spying by f2p accounts. They could still flood a border and prevent gameplay, but I suppose that type of behaviour is impossible to stop unless you simply dont allow f2p accounts in WvW.

Precisely. I’ll leave this here:

DeceiverX.8361:

It’s a shame. We recently got a video from Mr. Corpening about how ANet will be focusing resources to improving the WvW experience after the release of HoT, with very legitimate concerns and complaints addressed in his video. Obviously not all of the company was informed about this decision, or clearly the effects of a free to play game where players could enter WvW were not considered.

The concerns with the game being available as F2P for WvW are huge: Commander tags become effectively useless as everyone with two computers capable of running GW2 (something fairly common these days) will be able to look at the opposing commanders’ locations. This has massive impacts on the ability for commanders to use critical positioning elements to ambush other groups of players. While spying is already fairly common, this is one of only a few concerns.

More concerning is the ability for F2P accounts to deploy and use siege, be killed, and take of population space in the arena.

Entire servers now have the potential to sabotage their opponent servers by flooding them with free accounts and queuing for WvW simultaneously. This allows for players to intentionally lock out their opposition from even playing the game. This is anti-fun and completely against ANet’s philosophy of letting everyone have fun, and from WvW being about community strength rather than the ability to shut out other players from having fun.

Further, it is now possible for players to station alts on opposing servers to act as free rally-bait— kills that easily enable downed players to rally —to disrupt the flow of battle by enabling large sums of players to instantly revive by an innately weak player. The concern lies not in new level 60 players in weak gear dying easily, but again in sabotage attempts where players get a known targeted with no armor to use as a free rally source.

Lastly, free accounts may deploy siege and use supply. This allows for even further sabotage by allowing free accounts to hit the siege cap in essential areas through building siege in unhelpful locations, as well as pour critical supply into senseless things, such as flame rams within a held keep, etc. For the next 50+ days, we must now also face the ability for these players to queue wasteful upgrades before the auto-upgrade system takes place, even further at the detriment to WvW.

There is no real reason for players to be able to enter WvW without purchasing the game. This is a competitive feature that a very large number of players take seriously. Allowing for this is the equivalent of allowing players to queue for enemy teams in sPvP; it’s destructive, illogical, and removes the legitimacy of the competition itself through the ability for players to grief others via sabotage and counter-productivity.

I am shocked by the choices made with this announcement, and am disgusted that player feedback was not requested before making these decisions due to the very serious threats that can be imposed by changing the player dynamic as a whole.

I thus request the reconsideration of allowing free-to-play accounts to enter WvW for the sake of the integrity of the game mode. It is self-destructive and insulting to the community as a whole who takes this format seriously.

Do you guys really think that this wouldn’t have happened already with the game being $10? I agree level 60 is not a barrier for some people but neither is $10 for the game when you only have to buy 2 copies.

You’re not going to see a potentially infinite number of people spend $10 to spy or troll, though. When things are free, you will.

DeceiverX.8361:

You’re not going to see a potentially infinite number of people spend $10 to spy or troll, though. When things are free, you will.

While I acknowledge there are some people dedicated and unhinged enough to do it I don’t think there are that many and they already would have bought $10 copies.

morrolan.9608:

DeceiverX.8361:

You’re not going to see a potentially infinite number of people spend $10 to spy or troll, though. When things are free, you will.

While I acknowledge there are some people dedicated and unhinged enough to do it I don’t think there are that many and they already would have bought $10 copies.

Dedicated and unhinged? You don’t have to be that to want to do something like create an account and stick it on the other team. Especially as it’s free.

You only have to be excessively bored by something like stale match ups or an ever decreasing WvW population or something like that. Good thing that ain’t happening right? It would certainly be something people might do for “a bit of fun”.

Would it potentially be against the ToS? Sure but good luck proving it with the amount of genuinely inept players running around not communicating, not using siege, ordering upgrades when being siege, false call outs etc.

apharma.3741:

morrolan.9608:

DeceiverX.8361:

You’re not going to see a potentially infinite number of people spend $10 to spy or troll, though. When things are free, you will.

While I acknowledge there are some people dedicated and unhinged enough to do it I don’t think there are that many and they already would have bought $10 copies.

Dedicated and unhinged? You don’t have to be that to want to do something like create an account and stick it on the other team. Especially as it’s free.

If its only spies there are spies already. If its trolls then yes I think they pretty much have mental issues.

Because there seems to be some kittenumptions being made, please read the following link. I know I made some bad ones earlier on to because of Dulfy’s post.

SO PLEASE READ THE LINK BELOW BEFORE YOU COMMENT FURTHER IN THIS THREAD. Thank you <3

https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/95982157?_ga=1.220294929.802240115.1439542714

Dawdler.8521:

lordkrall.7241:

Dawdler.8521:

Well, no limitations on WvW.

Expect upper tier spying/sabotage to become 100x worse.

Just… ugh…

How is required to level to 60 no limitations? Not to mention the fact that they can’t use map-chat, nor whisper more often than once every 30 seconds?

That’s not a limitation, lol. It’ll just take them a week or two of lazy playing before they enter WvW.

Real limitations would be:
- Unable to take supply
- Cant order upgrades
- Cant build siege
- No visible commander tags

At least that would stop the most trolling and AFK spying by f2p accounts. They could still flood a border and prevent gameplay, but I suppose that type of behaviour is impossible to stop unless you simply dont allow f2p accounts in WvW.

Thise limitations would also make them useless in wvw and just take a slot in the queue from players who can actually benefit the server. So this might not be a good idea.