From reading the forums
People not posting on forums: Playing the game mode.
LOL. This hackneyed argument. And it’s not even remotely true either.
As for T4, it’s dead. No already queue in EB at 10:00pm pacific time (and of course no queue in the BLs — and that’s reset night, weekend, with a new server in the matchup.
People not posting on forums: Playing the game mode.
LOL. This hackneyed argument. And it’s not even remotely true either.
As for T4, it’s dead. No already queue in EB at 10:00pm pacific time (and of course no queue in the BLs — and that’s reset night, weekend, with a new server in the matchup.
Yeah well T4 now is completely different from what it used to be a week ago due to DB going into T3 and NSP, HoD (Which that server is dead now i think) going down into T5. But prior from this switch I know on DB there was at least 2 map queue’s on a good number of nights throughout the week. And from the talk with how last night went it seemed that T3 reset was pretty lively across the board for all servers.
People not posting on forums: Playing the game mode.
LOL. This hackneyed argument. And it’s not even remotely true either.
As for T4, it’s dead. No already queue in EB at 10:00pm pacific time (and of course no queue in the BLs — and that’s reset night, weekend, with a new server in the matchup.
I’m on NSP and it took me an hour to get into EB last night with 0 cues for any of the bls. If it weren’t for the PvE shtick I wouldn’t mind the new bl at all.
Kaa Mchorror NSP grenadier [hayt]
All I see is people hating on the new things this and new things that. How WvW is dead, and how there are no more fights. Yet except for the first week of release of HoT Teir 4 NA was popping. I know two out of the three servers at the time had the queue on EBG but they also had a large presence in the new maps and there was a balance of PPT and fights. The third server in it’s defense did have a smaller population so they ended up slowly getting pushed around but smaller population can’t do much when it turns into a numbers game.
And then I read the posts here in this forum and reddit and all I see is people complaining about the new maps some saying they didn’t want the change. I know some of ya’ll did and it is true some didn’t but for 3 years playing on the same map? Come on something new would bring a spark back. But the statement of “Too much PvE” what running, knocking down gates, killing lords or repairing? That was all in the game prior to HoT. Farming nodes? That was there. 10 minutes to do a event that if the server whose map is happening on would scramble to get back for fights?
Yeah there is bugs but hey at least the servers are more stable across the board since the expansions release. Hopefully Anet fixes them soon. There are only 2 things I see.
People posting on forums want: Empty map no objectives and only one big brawl.
People not posting on forums: Playing the game mode.
/salt.
Also I would like to thank Anet on making such a different map and not just throwing on some skins on the old borderlands. It did show that they put time a effort into something for WvW. Also the people suggesting going back to the old maps. Why would they do that? They spent the money, paid there workers and implemented the work.
I’m going to +1 and add my take on it. I’m pretty sure that most WvW players don’t take change very well. I am a CO-leader of a major WvW guild that has been running for well over 2 years and have seen many changes in the game that I enjoy to this day. The new maps are awesome in my opinion. So many cool new placed to hide in keep, so many new places for siege, and great terrain to use to your advantage.
All I hear from these people are that “the maps are too big”. Are you kidding me? The amount of shortcuts and objects to move around the map make moving a zerg very simple. You own 3 air shrines and need to jump off a cliff to get to garri quicker. NO PROBLEM! You just jump from 1 mile in the air and take no damage. You need to defend fire keep and get to lords room in a instant? Just use the lava portals and gank the crap out of the Blackgate blob.
The new maps ARE NOT PVE and are fun. No more just running from tower to tower throwing 2 rams and waiting for the gate to go down and then just running to the next monotonous activity.
We have auto upgrades now! No more sitting and waiting for the walls to upgrade for an hour and then sit and wait for enough yaks to come in and build cannons. We are able to have more play time while everything upgrades itself.
The amount of new things to build are awesome. When the enemy breaks into a tower I pull a lever and all of them are chilled and if they are able to take the tower all the 100 supply blows up in their face. In a few months we will have Air ships bombing the enemy zerg in SM and uncontestable waypoint to be placed to make a sneaky attack on the enemy garrison.
People need to reevaluate their ideas on a perfect world vs world and be happy with the new stuff brought to us. If you don’t like it then leave and go play some other game that suits your needs for a mass PVP environment. (You won’t find one).
See you on the battlefield.
All I see is people hating on the new things this and new things that. How WvW is dead, and how there are no more fights. Yet except for the first week of release of HoT Teir 4 NA was popping. I know two out of the three servers at the time had the queue on EBG but they also had a large presence in the new maps and there was a balance of PPT and fights. The third server in it’s defense did have a smaller population so they ended up slowly getting pushed around but smaller population can’t do much when it turns into a numbers game.
And then I read the posts here in this forum and reddit and all I see is people complaining about the new maps some saying they didn’t want the change. I know some of ya’ll did and it is true some didn’t but for 3 years playing on the same map? Come on something new would bring a spark back. But the statement of “Too much PvE” what running, knocking down gates, killing lords or repairing? That was all in the game prior to HoT. Farming nodes? That was there. 10 minutes to do a event that if the server whose map is happening on would scramble to get back for fights?
Yeah there is bugs but hey at least the servers are more stable across the board since the expansions release. Hopefully Anet fixes them soon. There are only 2 things I see.
People posting on forums want: Empty map no objectives and only one big brawl.
People not posting on forums: Playing the game mode.
/salt.
Also I would like to thank Anet on making such a different map and not just throwing on some skins on the old borderlands. It did show that they put time a effort into something for WvW. Also the people suggesting going back to the old maps. Why would they do that? They spent the money, paid there workers and implemented the work.
I’m going to +1 and add my take on it.
The new maps ARE NOT PVE
We have auto upgrades now!
The amount of new things to build are awesome. When the enemy breaks into a tower I pull a lever and all of them are chilled and if they are able to take the tower all the 100 supply blows up in their face. In a few months we will have Air ships bombing the enemy zerg in SM and uncontestable waypoint to be placed to make a sneaky attack on the enemy garrison.
See you on the battlefield.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say you really, really liked the golem event and wished it came back more often.
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People not posting on forums: Playing the game mode.
LOL. This hackneyed argument. And it’s not even remotely true either.
As for T4, it’s dead. No already queue in EB at 10:00pm pacific time (and of course no queue in the BLs — and that’s reset night, weekend, with a new server in the matchup.
You’re likely to not have the stable WvW playerbase back until all the newness of every other style in the game wears off, plus Wintersday.
Dinas Dragonbane, the Danger Ranger
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Tri-Lead of Ascension [WAR] of Borlis Pass
People not posting on forums: Playing the game mode.
LOL. This hackneyed argument. And it’s not even remotely true either.
As for T4, it’s dead. No already queue in EB at 10:00pm pacific time (and of course no queue in the BLs — and that’s reset night, weekend, with a new server in the matchup.
You’re likely to not have the stable WvW playerbase back until all the newness of every other style in the game wears off, plus Wintersday.
The new PvE content argument. What about the fact that there’s new WvW content also (the BL)? Shouldn’t that be a counter to the new PvE? Shouldn’t WvW players be eager to spend time playing the shiny new BL?
They’re not. It’s a total disaster.
@Dinas
…yeah, there are some people that are ok with the new map, there are even some that like the new map… there are a lot of people, myself included, that were excited to have a new map to play. My excitement wore off after about an hour in the new map. It’s been weeks now. I’ve learned my way around. I’ve learned how to jump over the barricades. I’ve learned the easy ways to flip the camps and flip some of the towers. I’ve thrown around catas and trebs all over the map to find good spots. I’ve played all hours of the day and night (central us time zone) all days and nights of the week. Basically, I’ve put in time on the map and I still don’t like it and I’m trying hard to like it. I’m -ok- with it, but it’s just not as fun; it’s been a real disappointment for me. Only two silver linings I’ve found: 1) coming across a few new WvW players and recruiting them into the guild I’m in. 2) feasting on foolishness of the new players on enemy servers that are wandering around lost in the new bl. I even yolo into 3v1’s and die and just lay there and watch them jump around a min because they’re happy they had someone to kill. This is enough for now to keep me playing the new bl a little when I log in.
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chopping wood one day, dropped a piece,
all I could say was, “…fell…foot…”
chopping wood one day, dropped a piece,
all I could say was, “…fell…foot…”
All I hear from these people are that “the maps are too big”. Are you kidding me? The amount of shortcuts and objects to move around the map make moving a zerg very simple. You own 3 air shrines and need to jump off a cliff to get to garri quicker. NO PROBLEM! You just jump from 1 mile in the air and take no damage. You need to defend fire keep and get to lords room in a instant? Just use the lava portals and gank the crap out of the Blackgate blob.
It’s only quick if you own the structures and keep though. Without them, the winding paths and vertical make it very inconvenient.
The new maps ARE NOT PVE and are fun. No more just running from tower to tower throwing 2 rams and waiting for the gate to go down and then just running to the next monotonous activity.
They are not PvE exclusive if there is actually people to fight in them, which is mostly not the case. The way the maps are designed makes it more difficult to actually PvP, while adding in numerous additional PvE elements to contend with.
We have auto upgrades now! No more sitting and waiting for the walls to upgrade for an hour and then sit and wait for enough yaks to come in and build cannons. We are able to have more play time while everything upgrades itself.
It’s good in the sense that you don’t have to pay for upgrades anymore, but it comes at the cost of not being able to have that sort of strategy you would have had with upgrades. You can’t que one at the last second to drain a place that’s about to be hit or have that feeling of, “should we rush wp or try and bunker down for reinforce to repair”. Also, with supply not having value outside of repairs and building siege, it takes a lot away from that urgency and impactfullness in flipping camps.
The amount of new things to build are awesome. When the enemy breaks into a tower I pull a lever and all of them are chilled and if they are able to take the tower all the 100 supply blows up in their face. In a few months we will have Air ships bombing the enemy zerg in SM and uncontestable waypoint to be placed to make a sneaky attack on the enemy garrison.
Some ideas are cool, but to actually get these you need gold and to PvE for the required stuff. Both of which favors larger guilds.
People need to reevaluate their ideas on a perfect world vs world and be happy with the new stuff brought to us. If you don’t like it then leave and go play some other game that suits your needs for a mass PVP environment. (You won’t find one).
See you on the battlefield.
I can’t speak for everyone, but I’m not looking for perfection. All I want is WvW where I can get large scale PvP during my timezones without worrying about obnoxious and intrusive PvE mechanics scaring people away. As for you comment telling people to leave just because they don’t like the state WvW is in, that’s just as kittenomeone attacking every single little change. Praise and criticism should be looked at as a means of learning. Something games can grow off of and work towards becoming better.
OP, I see the points you are making and I can totally relate to trying to stay positive in this situation.
Having said that, there is no denying that the new BL’s are a dead zone compared to what they used to be.
CCCP….
Seriously people… These new borderland maps are good for something. WvW related guild missions. Nobody will bother you and you can cap the camp, tower, etc with just 3. EBG has a que of over 40+. Not with these outmanned borderlands. The new maps are pretty. You can stare at the tranquil environment while holding that capture.
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