Guild Wars 2

Can anyone remember the last time a GH matchup thread didn’t descend into petty spiteful carping?

@Alkalone If you remember well, your suggestion was to attack Surmia after we get an edge on WSR not go all in on Surmia and we all agreed on the idea but you didn t even follow your suggestion and goes straight on Surmia from reset to Wednesday allowing WSR to get advantage on us.

@Thomas GH won t7 3 times in a row (vs RoF and Dzag) before Surmia comes. Why are you speaking of yourself like a t8/t7 server

Read through the thread, can’t really understand all the whining. Yes, the match is somewhat unbalanced, GH obviously is a stronger server, since they’ve been leading t7 for a while (until RoS became stronger and tiered up) and have a decent number of guilds. But I don’t see any ‘focussing’ as of yet. The fact of the matter is, if EB or a specific BL is full, you go somewhere else. Reset always attracts more people, and the same was true for WSR, we had short queues on EB and our border too in the evening, which is a first (but the earlier reset also explains this I guess).

Last night WSR got hit hard by both servers especially on our border, to the point where all we owned was Cliffside and two camps. Since EB was looking in better shape, WAR joined us on the border to take back what was lost. Quite a few 3-way fights, most notably CHvc and some other GH-guilds/players trying to take over our assault at hills where RCT and others from AS were well dug in in the lord room. We held out at north inner – lost a bunch of players to CHvc attacking us in the back – but got people to respawn quickly enough to finally cap hills back. Some decent open ground fights too here and there, and taking back our garrison was, well, a long struggle so props to GH for that.

Looking forward to more fights, hope we can keep our numbers decent throughout the week. Upgrading will be costly again this week ;D

[edit] listed wrong arbor guild tag

I scrolled through the posturing (:

Reset night felt like a breath of fresh air to me at first. Then I was stood in somebody’s Garrison, I don’t know whose, and I said to PRXM in Mumble that this might feel great initially, but this is what we hated the enemy doing last week – and suddenly it didn’t feel so great anymore.

The problem we have with GH’s WvW force, which I think can be said for a lot of servers, not just my own. Is that, when people wake up after reset and see us leading, they suddenly decide to WvW – and we have a really high percentage of fair weather players and commanders.

If all those players slogged it out all the time, we’d have a stable WvW population and would be able to settle either in a tier, or between tiers. As such, this week you’ll suddenly see GH with a flippin’ huge amount of people, suddenly we’ll have queues again and I’ll struggle to get the guild all on one map.

What results is you vocal guys here on the forum, having a slinging match about numbers and zergs and blobs and roflstomping. Its really not great.

Its not great because the (I really dont want to use the word winner, we’re not winning imo) server with the higher population gets no equal fights. Herpaderping your way with a million pugs and a golem doesnt equate that you have more skill than your enemy. Though I’m sure GH has some folks that will disagree and think this brings them glory. Plus, the servers with the lower population of WvW players, get steamrolled into the dirt, which kills their morale.

Gunnar’s has always been my home through its ups and downs, I love the friends I’ve made here in the past 7 months. I know people always harp on about ‘the community’, but it really is fantastic to be part of – I’d just like to remind our opponents that the people you see posting here don’t reflect us all as a whole.

Can we fix the current imbalances? No. Sadly. I have a Princess Wand, but its not working.

WsR and Arb, my hugs go out to you, and I hope PRXM can offer you some equal fights this week amongst the morass of this match up.

Aisi xxxx

Time for the regular GH guilds to farm fractals? :p

Had a nice morning wandering around AS bl on thief, props to the [dova] ele that kept coming back for more

Looking forward to some more fights against my old home WsR this week! Moved to GH with TCS way back when

I think the problem in a nutshell is that there are effectively 4 T7 servers at the moment: RoS, Dzago, RoF, and GH. All four are stronger than WSR/Arborstone, either by a bit or by a lot, depending on how many random/casual players are around in a given week. Now, RoS have shown that they are considerably stronger than the other 3 servers, so one of Dzago, RoF or GH will keep getting bumped down and up depending on how things go. As is pretty clear from even this thread, there is some bad blood between RoS and GH, and there was a deliberate attempt by some of their guilds, at least, to make sure GH were the server bumped down to T8.

Until something changes to either move RoS up to T6, or something else changes within the makeup of T6-T9, both T7 and T8 look to be stuck with fairly kitteny unbalanced matchups. Speaking for myself, I find it annoying and disappointing, and it sucks no matter whether we are being stomped or doing the stomping.

Aisina.4963:

I’d just like to remind our opponents that the people you see posting here don’t reflect us all as a whole.

I think this part could have been in bold and full caps, maybe a few pts bigger too. It is a truth about every server, yet one forgotten one too many times

signed, a condescending RoS bandwagoner jk Sexiest Cat EU™

The biggest joke is that GH is focusing AS BL so hard that WSR is taking GH south borderland

Let’s be honest, GH is focusing AS, just look your map !!

just want to thank the ppl of GH & AS (and of course all those of WSR) for the great fight in AS Bay.

kinda sad that we didn’t have the resources to defend it

Yesterday’s Blitzkrieg at Eternal Battleground (reset WvW – 3 may)
“We don’t want them, we want everything”
Take Stonemist and Keep’s

http://youtu.be/pZbiiGDWCsU

Thanks for the epic fight in AS Bay earlier! Very nice work from WsR. Hope to see more fights like these throughout the week

good game at AS BL Bay tonight. hoping to have more of those fights…

Pyranna.2054:

Thanks for the epic fight in AS Bay earlier! Very nice work from WsR. Hope to see more fights like these throughout the week

Thats been the pick of the night , hoping for many more this week.

Yep more fight like this, but in WsR or GH bl please !

Kind of sad I have such a heavy work load right now, from what ive seen while online this match up has been fun so far for those involved.

GH is well known for its volatile numbers in WvW and many of us were expecting this to blow up in our faces when you guys ranked down, to be honest in my opinion its been no worse than RoF or Dzag .

I think Skwas’ fears are unfounded for WSR our numbers are relatively stable due to a strong core of indefatigable WvW regulars who make me proud whenever I am commanding.

Scootus.3251:

Kind of sad I have such a heavy work load right now, from what ive seen while online this match up has been fun so far for those involved.

GH is well known for its volatile numbers in WvW and many of us were expecting this to blow up in our faces when you guys ranked down, to be honest in my opinion its been no worse than RoF or Dzag .

I think Skwas’ fears are unfounded for WSR our numbers are relatively stable due to a strong core of indefatigable WvW regulars who make me proud whenever I am commanding.

I sure hope they know what indefatigable means… :s

First time in this thread since reset – got to say it’s a breath of fresh air and glorious civility after the threads of the last couple of weeks <3

Have enjoyed WvW so far generally running with a small group of about 4-5 trying to cap towers here and there. Sometimes successfully, often we get wiped, sometimes we have a great fight with a bunch of WSR/AS guys.

I agree with everyone that has apologised on behalf of GH – we hate unbalanced matchups regardless of what end of it we’re on, and would much rather be matched with two servers we’re equal to. But sadly none of us get to choose our opponents so we’re going to spend a couple of weeks stomping and then getting stomped, none of which is fun for anyone involved.

Hopefully the ladder will settle out with the latest population shift sooner than later and we can go back to a bit of jeopardy over the actual scores

My plan is to ignore the score entirely whatever matchup I’m in and just look for as equal fights as possible. Hope you guys all find lots of fun out there

Again, GH propaganda about hating unbalanced match up when the only thing you are currently doing is focusing the 3rd.
WSR is so free from you that they even took your full upgraded SM.

Eclipse.1567:

Again, GH propaganda about hating unbalanced match up when the only thing you are currently doing is focusing the 3rd.
WSR is so free from you that they even took your full upgraded SM.

I blame it more on our lack of players during that time rather on us focusing on you mate:)

Eclipse.1567:

Again, GH propaganda about hating unbalanced match up when the only thing you are currently doing is focusing the 3rd.
WSR is so free from you that they even took your full upgraded SM.

O_o

I can assure you we mean it when we say that we don’t like unbalanced matchups. Why would we bother making up propaganda about it if we secretly did like unbalance?! We’d just post lots of gloating posts about winning if we were those kind of people, instead of several apologies for being in this tier in the first place.

I’m also not sure why you think we’d bother to focus Arborstone in the first place? What do we gain from ignoring WSR? (which we don’t, I spent a lot of time defending SM from their endless trebs already since reset :p)

Why do you think we would just give a fully upgraded SM away to WSR?! Obviously they just had a strong force online at that time and mounted a successful attack, and fair play to them, that’s the aim of the game!

I guarantee we’re going to be trying to get it back

Anyway, I’m sorry you think we’re focussing you. We’re definitely fighting on two fronts. If you like we can party up and I’ll give you safe escort to our battlelines against WSR so you can see them personally :p

Have a good day

Clearly having between 20 (60 in prime time) constantly on AS BL have nothing to do with your lack of player on other maps then.

2 fronts? thats why nothing on WSR BL has been touched (except spawn tower) when you already reseted 2 times our keps on AS and on EB?

The problem is that you try to be cool and fair on forums when on the field you are doing the exact opposite

Eclipse.1567:

Clearly having between 20 (60 in prime time) constantly on AS BL have nothing to do with your lack of player on other maps then.

2 fronts? thats why nothing on WSR BL has been touched (except spawn tower) when you already reseted 2 times our keps on AS and on EB?

The problem is that you try to be cool and fair on forums when on the field you are doing the exact opposite

I can assure you we’ve been fighting in WSR bl this matchup, just not as successfully as in AS bl. We will hopefully remedy this, but so far they’ve been very strong defenders – it’s not for lack of trying!

We’ve also been defending against both servers in our BL, and fighting both in EB.

Not really sure what else we can do, but there’s no conspiracy to focus AS or anything like that.

Eclipse.1567:

Clearly having between 20 (60 in prime time) constantly on AS BL have nothing to do with your lack of player on other maps then.

We have a keep in your BL and we’re going to defend it, why is that shocking to you?

WSR seem to have a lot of players in EB at certain times (particularly early morning), so not a surprise they would take SM at some point. Good on them for grouping up and taking a keep when they can, that’s what wvw is all about.

Hills with waypoint is a perfect platform to attack AS keep. AS also spent yesterday with a force of 20-30 pretty much all day at bluebriar building trebs over and over again to attack Bay. If those guys defended home bl then you had better chance of holding keep, also attacking encourages servers to attack back (must be lower defenders, push back attackers into defence mode).

Saying that, appreciate people should be able to do what they want and this matchup is fundamentally unbalanced.

Everyone is always able to play the way they like.
But actually GH is speaking like that :
- Match up is imbalanced and thats sad
- We don t focus
- We just def the keep we have on AS BL
- We are using the keep we have to attack AS keeps
- We have 10 man groups on WSR BL and 60 on AS BL but we are attacking both AS and WSR
- AS have a force of 20 on GH BL that could def (we were full on AS BL but having to def garri against GH and bay against GH and WSR)
- We are not like RoS we will not be condescending on the forums
Makes me repeat myself : GH is acting the total opposite the way they speak(but at least they start to admit that they focus AS because of the full upgraded Hills)

Before anyone suggest it : im not asking for GH to change the way they play, i would just appreciate they have the honesty to admit that they don t care about imbalance/ not focusing/make 3 servers have a fun this week and they will play to win

You can whine all you want but we’ll defend our territory on AS BL for as long as we can. While we’re there we’ll also attack, otherwise we’re babysitting a keep all day which isn’t fun.

Obviously i can’t speak for anyone but myself but i intend to spend the majority of this match-up fighting AS in GH or AS BL, with a particular focus paid to EO guild.

Well to be fair, if you have full que on home bl during primetime that is enough numbers to defend garrison and also to have an even fight. The imbalance is when it’s full que on attackers and you’re stuck defending against 40-50 man melee trains with >10 people and no outmanned buff due to afk/bots/jumping puzzle.

Also it does rather justify attacking AS at that time, as otherwise that 20 on GH bl could easily have been a 60 if you had nobody to defend home bl against. Also worth pointing out that WSR bl got hit the hardest on reset night from two directions. Was a big group of AS taking Hills and also had a lot of GH guilds in there looking to take Bay and Garrison. I’m sure over course of week will even out.

I have to admit than i have some fun to fight GH out of their keep only because their are free loot bags, but as soon as we came they run away, except if they are fighting 50+ vs 30 (and they manage to wipe anyway).

For hills the AC up is totally killing us (10 golems down in 5 seconds only with AC, gg wp ANet).

I don’t care if we’re or not focus, we ’re weaker so i totally understand this. If you play only for points focus the weakest is the game. If you play for the challenge you will focus the strongest . GH want to go back in superior tier, so they play points. AS stop cry about focus, and fight them, this is a good train for us.

I hope see organized guilds in GH to face us this week, and to have some fun and hard fights (and maybe be wiped by something else than AC), and i really think we will found some.

Edit: by reading this, it’s maybe a bit condescending, it’s not the aim, sorry if you feel offended. We have respect for you GH fighters

Just thought I’d throw this in, as food for thought.

There’s focusing on an objective, if it makes strategic sense to hold it. That is what appears to be going on with the AS Hills keep. And then there’s focusing on an opponent, for either strategic or personal reasons. As far as I’m concerned, the former is fair play while the latter, if it spills over onto the forums as … uhh, for lack of a better word, “propaganda”, is something that leaves a sour taste (that needs to be washed away with popcorn :P).

As far as this matchup goes, I’m enjoying it more than the previous one. Why? The lack of 40+ blobs, for starters (or maybe I was just “lucky” enough to avoid them). The possibility for a small group of 2-5 people to run around on their own and actually matter. However, I felt really bad on reset (even though GH borders were being pushed a fair bit while I was there) and I am trying to avoid bigger group combat (before anyone reads into this anything they like, let’s define it as 20+ vs 20+ for the sake of this post) for the duration of this matchup.

I sincerely hope that despite the imbalances present, everyone is somehow able to enjoy (parts of) this matchup.

Disclaimer: the above post represents strictly my opinion, not the one of my guild or server.

Yeah we had a lot of ACs in place and i think that’s what done most of the damage, they are very OP atm. However we did have a lot of players too, less than you but enough to hold the lords i think.

People will read what they want to read. You can post the nicest, most honest statement ever, but if someone wants to read it as a secret gloat/whine then they will.

Personally, I haven’t put any focus into points for a long time, if I take a tower it’s to entice a fight.

Had some fun fights with WSR outside Mendon’s Gap last night with our little 5-7, some ruined by our zerg arriving, some theirs.

My advice is to just play the game, caring about points is really not something worth doing at the lower end of the ladder as it suggests a wish to climb, which will never happen. Those after tiers should simply go there. Without servers having a permanently balanced population it is meaningless and should just be used as a way to balance the fights (which takes time, especially after a population shift).

Again the only thing I whine about is GH saying “we are not focusing” when it is clear that they are.
But thanks for GH people to start to admit that effectively you are focusing AS (because of your strategy, because you have Hills or any other reasons)

Eclipse.1567:

when it is clear that they are.

There is a difference of one objective between AS/WSR territory that is owned by GH, that doesn’t really spell focus. You will see what you want to see.

I like the way sides talk about which server is the zergiest, but when there is opportunity people simply gather up and run with 40 man group.
From my view, you’re all ’’guilty’’. Yesterday I witnessed some GH commander claiming to gather up and ‘’stop running alone like an idiots’’. About both other servers – when there is a chance to join bigass squad – they will.
Can we please avoid the mistake of our previouse threads arguing about zerging in 95% of the posts while 90% of the players zerg when the change for that shows up?

I, for one, am glad we dropped tier. Now I can run alone – max 4 ppl, and do some nice actions while there are smaller groups. Not none or 60 people.
Peace.

Neandramathal.9536:

Eclipse.1567:

when it is clear that they are.

There is a difference of one objective between AS/WSR territory that is owned by GH, that doesn’t really spell focus. You will see what you want to see.

Staying in same BL all day long either to keep your territory or to take new one is focus but for different reason but you also will see what you want to see.

Eclipse.1567:

Neandramathal.9536:

Eclipse.1567:

when it is clear that they are.

There is a difference of one objective between AS/WSR territory that is owned by GH, that doesn’t really spell focus. You will see what you want to see.

Staying in same BL all day long either to keep your territory or to take new one is focus but for different reason but you also will see what you want to see.

If we have a keep in a zone, we will want to defend it. This means staying in the zone. It’s also then more sensible to push the same zone that we are already in so we don’t have to keep swapping to defend/attack.

Difference is I see what GH are doing all over, whereas you will only see their interactions with yourself.

Tl;dr – WSR pushed us out their zone early on, you didn’t. So we’re still there.

Last thing I’m going to say about it really, because it’s all somewhat pointless.

Can’t say I’ve found GH to be any zergier than our previous opponents. They may have many groups of 20-30 but that’s inevitable when there’s superior numbers, unlike the 80 man blobs I saw Dz make a few times.

Also, just wanted to say I had a good time last night in GH borders around redlake and hills. Props to [SOE] on constantly taking out all our siege, but I think our guild still has a bit to learn about coordinating effectively. I hope for similar fights in the future.

What is all this ‘focusing’ trash? It means nothing, all it means is that you are a sore loser, don’t get me wrong, we’re not proud winners), GH don’t want to be in this position, but we are.

In the meantime, we will just battle whoever we come across, because that’s what the WvW game mode demands – battles.

Kudos to AS and WSR for a really interesting matchup so far. Everything’s been a revitalising breeze after the matchups with RoS, except for Eclipse’s constant whining. We all will endure one crying princess, though and no worries, he’s not painting us a picture of the whole server, just himself

What s that?
Sore loser? constant whining? funny boys starting to go offensive…
Again im just pointing out that at beginning at the thread all GH is speaking of 0 focus and now some admit they focus AS because you have Hills but no problem keep say how this mathc up is “refreshing” and “interesting” because you have an OP advantage.

I think there’s a bit of a terminology difference here. I assumed that by ‘focus’ you meant we were ignoring WSR and focusing AS as part of some big plan, that’s not the case. We got a foothold in AS and are making the most of it.

Eclipse.1567:

What s that?
Sore loser? constant whining? funny boys starting to go offensive…
Again im just pointing out that at beginning at the thread all GH is speaking of 0 focus and now some admit they focus AS because you have Hills but no problem keep say how this mathc up is “refreshing” and “interesting” because you have an OP advantage.

With all respect – we know that GH will win this match up. And believe me, we don’t care who will come second, so there is no need for us to focus on anyone. According to MOS, Your server will be in the same tier next week fighting against WR and RoF and we don’t have any evil plans to send You to any other tier.

Eclipse.1567:

Neandramathal.9536:

Eclipse.1567:

when it is clear that they are.

There is a difference of one objective between AS/WSR territory that is owned by GH, that doesn’t really spell focus. You will see what you want to see.

Staying in same BL all day long either to keep your territory or to take new one is focus but for different reason but you also will see what you want to see.

If you had a T3 keep in GH borderlands wouldn’t you make an effort to defend it after all the hard work that’s gone into taking/upgrading it?
That isn’t focus, its just common sense.

Anyway, I’ve been having some great small scale fights in AS borderlands lately, that’ll keep me and [NOX] coming back for more, /salute.

Hi Eclipse,

You seem like a great guy. Do you mind sharing some background info; are you representing a community from AS? Or perhaps any of the AS guilds, in case so, which one? Maybe you are a guild leader? I couldn’t see any signature on your posts, and there isn’t many people from AS talking here in this thread (sadly).

- Insky

Im just a random player just speaking for himself.
Unfortunately my favorite thread (the one for T1 EU) is dying so to keep this forum up, i try to keep this thread alive.
And (just read my posts earlier i alreadt stated it many times) i m just trying to make GH admit that they are focusing AS.
Im not saying it is a “big plan” or a “deliberate way” or that you are ignoring WSR or even you have to play a different way nor abandon anything you have conquered but i will just sum up many GH guild representative

- You rushed AS Hills at reset (normal at reset)
- You kept AS Hills since reset (normal in WvW)
- You defend AS Hills (common sense)
- As you have AS Hills you just keep pressure on AS BL
How can you even say its not a focus (again not deliberate/not planned but on field it is working as a clear focus). Or perhaps give your definition of what a focus is?

We normally manage to achieve a degree of civility on the forums for the tier 8 match ups, lets not make this one any different.

Jupitus.4352:

I sure hope they know what indefatigable means… :s

My apologies, think; tireless, steadfast, a degree of resolve.

Eclipse.1567:

- You rushed AS Hills at reset (normal at reset)
- You kept AS Hills since reset (normal in WvW)
- You defend AS Hills (common sense)
- As you have AS Hills you just keep pressure on AS BL
How can you even say its not a focus (again not deliberate/not planned but on field it is working as a clear focus). Or perhaps give your definition of what a focus is?

Your parentheses explain it quite well.

To me, focusing would be not doing the same to WSR given the opportunity. So if the manage to get our hills but don’t bother to defend then you can complain all you want. It’s not like GH have never attacked our borders.

Give it up guys, Eclipse uncovered the truth. We deliberately dropped from T7 to T8 in order to ruin his fun.