Guild Wars 2

Running settings on low, in a 30v30v30 fight I get about 30-40 fps. In a 30v30 fight about 40-50fps, relatively okay.

CPU: Intel i7-2600k OC’d to 4.3Ghz.
GPU: GeForce GTX 750 OC 1GB.

GPU* is bottlenecking, I believe this is why my fps drops a ton sometimes also I cannot run this game in medium graphics in WvW because the lag gets worse. I want to be able to run this game on medium/high so that I can render more people in WvW and see them instead of only seeing their red names above their heads and their invisible bodies. Hard to land important CC that way.

CPU MAX Usage: 35% on task manager.
GPU MAX Usage: 100%.

Anyone has similar problems as mine? Is it just my GPU that needs an upgrade or is it the CPU too? Will a GPU from the 770 series give me an incredible boost to my graphics+fps or is it just a waste of money? I’ve been hearing a lot of broscience lately on GW2 graphics+fps on WvW, please someone set me straight with facts and evidence of any truth.

Regards, Krisi.

GW2 has been built on DX9, not DX10 or 11.

Because of this, I am told, the game hogs CPU more than the GPU.
No matter how good your GPU, GW2 will simply not utilise it properly.
Until, IF, DX11 is ever supported; your best option is for a better CPU, not GPU.

Best option is choose low-medium settings but has teh following:
Character Model Limit – High/Highest
Character Model Quality – Lowest/Low
It’s either or for these, you cant really have both on high as zergs clashing will always, even with lower setting cause lag and lower fps.

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

No matter how good your GPU, GW2 will simply not utilise it properly.
Until, IF, DX11 is ever supported; your best option is for a better CPU, not GPU.

He posted that his GPU is 100% utilization so I’m not sure how you can say that. He also can’t really improve on his CPU, it’s 4.3GHz i7.

Best advice is to get on your server’s WvW voice chat and see if there are people with expensive GPUs, what kind of fps they get and what settings they run.

It’s the game, not your system.

Visiroth.5914:

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

No matter how good your GPU, GW2 will simply not utilise it properly.
Until, IF, DX11 is ever supported; your best option is for a better CPU, not GPU.

He posted that his GPU is 100% utilization so I’m not sure how you can say that. He also can’t really improve on his CPU, it’s 4.3GHz i7.

Best advice is to get on your server’s WvW voice chat and see if there are people with expensive GPUs, what kind of fps they get and what settings they run.

2nd gen i7 is getting old. 4th gen will run much much better. i do minimum 20 fps on a stock 4th gen i5 / geforce 750 on medium graphics in large zergs. i can run high fairly well i just dont like feeling zergs that much.

A 25% CPU utilization means 100% of one of four cores in the i7. GW2 is not particularly good at using all four cores…so I don’t know what 35% means.

My own belief is GW2 can get into texture cache thrashing on a 1GB card, particularly at high settings, but I have no way to make a measurement to prove that.

Wish the client was instrumented so we could see…

GPU discussion

The 750 is a low end card.

770 is mid end

780 High end

780ti and the titan are very high end

titan z is an ultra gaming card

In my opinion I am of the of the view that sli580,590,680,690,770 are suitable cards

Overkill cards are 780 and above.

Basically anything around 2 gflops is sufficient for this game in high end mode.

RAM

4GB is more than enough on dual channel
32GB is overkill

CPU

Here is the part that GW2 fails

All these are on an i7 intel

3.0ghz – Low end

3.3 to 3.6 ghz – Low Mid end

3.7 to 4.3 – Mid – High End

4.4 to 4.7 High end

4.8 to 5 Ultra

General rules of thumb.

1. You can never go wrong with more CPU in multiplayer games, most of all the really “big” ones like WvW, Battlefield, etc that can have a ton of players and player created action. On a very basic level, think about why you get FPS drop near a zerg, even before you system has a to render a single player or effect caused by the zerg battle.

2. More GPU is for the eye candy. Better texture quality, better shading, filtering, and higher levels of filtering. All this improves perceived image quality.

So to your answer question, you need a better GPU if you want to run higher graphic settings with acceptable performance. Your FPS on low settings is already not that bad (30+ in a 30v30v30 is pretty good for most players). The 750 is right at the bottom end of what would be considered a gaming card. If you want those things like better shading, good texture quality, anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, etc…a 770 or 280x is kinda the sweet spot now for performance and value for money.

I think you’re also leaving a little on the table with your CPU overclock. 4.5-4.6 should be fine with a decent heatsink and an adequate case setup. That little extra will make a difference in minimum FPS in blob battles. As for upgrading that too, it’s hard to say. I still use a 2500k @ 4.8 GHz and see no compelling reason to upgrade yet, at least from a value for money perspective.

zen.6091:

General rules of thumb.

1. You can never go wrong with more CPU in multiplayer games, most of all the really “big” ones like WvW, Battlefield, etc that can have a ton of players and player created action. On a very basic level, think about why you get FPS drop near a zerg, even before you system has a to render a single player or effect caused by the zerg battle.

2. More GPU is for the eye candy. Better texture quality, better shading, filtering, and higher levels of filtering. All this improves perceived image quality.

So to your answer question, you need a better GPU if you want to run higher graphic settings with acceptable performance. Your FPS on low settings is already not that bad (30+ in a 30v30v30 is pretty good for most players). The 750 is right at the bottom end of what would be considered a gaming card. If you want those things like better shading, good texture quality, anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, etc…a 770 or 280x is kinda the sweet spot now for performance and value for money.

I think you’re also leaving a little on the table with your CPU overclock. 4.5-4.6 should be fine with a decent heatsink and an adequate case setup. That little extra will make a difference in minimum FPS in blob battles. As for upgrading that too, it’s hard to say. I still use a 2500k @ 4.8 GHz and see no compelling reason to upgrade yet, at least from a value for money perspective.

Won’t the CPU be memory limited at that point rather than cycle time limited? (Meaning, isn’t the memory DIMM cycle count at the overclocked speed — a nontrivial thing to talk about — more important than how fast it can add two numbers?) Or do I not understand…

I run a steady 20-25 FPS on my aged system at slightly below recommended (which is medium across the board, I just turn down player limit and details to low).

Intel C2Q @ 3.0ghz
8gb DDR3 @ 1033
BFG 9800 GT (underclocked)

If my system can handle two full sized zerg fights with little issue (easily 40v40), it’s likely not a video card issue that you’re having.

The only slowdowns I experience are while viewing heavy smoke and other transparency effects – the 9000 series of video cards is notorious for handling transparencies very poorly.

You need to determine how many of your CPU cores are locked for a specific purpose. I have an i5 2500K and found out that 3 of my 4 cores were locked, meaning that they could only be used for OS specific purposes. Try here – https://bitsum.com/about_cpu_core_parking.php

One of the recent patches has really slowed the game on my system. I finally killed every graphical option and I am running OK most of the time. This bothers me mainly because my rig is in the upper high end (i7 Haswell OC’d, Fast 16GB Memory, SSD and a GTX770 also OC’d). Contrast that to nearly 100 FPS in Farcry 3 at 1080P and a 13k 3DMark.

I cannot get the game to use much over 50 percent CPU even though it clearly needs more. I suspect some kitten poor multi-threading in the client. Oh and my CPUs are not parked.

You can turn off all the graphics setting you like, and you will still get lag in wvw- it’s nothing to do with your computer, it’s the fact that every time there is any sort of spvp tourny on, the performance in wvw drops like a stone. This suggests to me that they re allocate resources from wvw to spvp to ensure the tourny runs smoothly. until they allocate more resources to wvw it will continue to have lag issues.

Also there was a driver update from Nvidia last week that actually made a difference on my GEforce 9800M card. Have you tried that?

bewhatever.2390:

zen.6091:

General rules of thumb.

1. You can never go wrong with more CPU in multiplayer games, most of all the really “big” ones like WvW, Battlefield, etc that can have a ton of players and player created action. On a very basic level, think about why you get FPS drop near a zerg, even before you system has a to render a single player or effect caused by the zerg battle.

2. More GPU is for the eye candy. Better texture quality, better shading, filtering, and higher levels of filtering. All this improves perceived image quality.

So to your answer question, you need a better GPU if you want to run higher graphic settings with acceptable performance. Your FPS on low settings is already not that bad (30+ in a 30v30v30 is pretty good for most players). The 750 is right at the bottom end of what would be considered a gaming card. If you want those things like better shading, good texture quality, anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, etc…a 770 or 280x is kinda the sweet spot now for performance and value for money.

I think you’re also leaving a little on the table with your CPU overclock. 4.5-4.6 should be fine with a decent heatsink and an adequate case setup. That little extra will make a difference in minimum FPS in blob battles. As for upgrading that too, it’s hard to say. I still use a 2500k @ 4.8 GHz and see no compelling reason to upgrade yet, at least from a value for money perspective.

Won’t the CPU be memory limited at that point rather than cycle time limited? (Meaning, isn’t the memory DIMM cycle count at the overclocked speed — a nontrivial thing to talk about — more important than how fast it can add two numbers?) Or do I not understand…

You would think so at some point, but system memory bandwidth isn’t really that important for gaming. In fact DDR3-1600 is still more than adequate. The companies that sell components marketed at gamers / enthusiast would have you think otherwise though. Memory bandwidth is very important for GPU performance though, and it’s one of the big differences between a low end part and medium / high end part. The higher end parts have faster, more expensive memory and more a wider, more complex bus.

There were other considerations with system memory speed that came up in the past with overclocking, but it’s not really applicable now with “overclocking” by changing the internal clock multiplier on an unlocked CPU.

zen.6091:

You would think so at some point, but system memory bandwidth isn’t really that important for gaming. In fact DDR3-1600 is still more than adequate. The companies that sell components marketed at gamers / enthusiast would have you think otherwise though.

Overclocking memory can have a noticeable improvement in overall performance for memory heavy programs. Moving from 1600 to a 2100 range can yield a 5% or higher overall performance bump depending on the processes running. It is possible that no significant gain at all will be achieved for some processes however and to some extent we are splitting hairs. However an extra 5 FPS out of a game is very possible with only faster RAM.

WvW is going to bring down your fps no matter your card.

Still, a Geforce 780 Ti is about 2-2.5x faster than that little Geforce 750. Look its simple math – the longer the video card, the better it is. Yours is too short you see. Even the width is lacking. A 750 has about 80gb/s bandwidth. A 780 has ~300gb/s or something.

Whether you want to upgrade… Meh that’s your choice. Of course a better card is going to get pricey. Not to mention noisy, if your aim actually is HTPC.

I would strongly advice holding upgrades for a couple of months as prices are highly likely to drop – Geforce 870 and 880 is on the horizon and older versions usually get a cut.

zen.6091:

General rules of thumb.

1. You can never go wrong with more CPU in multiplayer games, most of all the really “big” ones like WvW, Battlefield, etc that can have a ton of players and player created action. On a very basic level, think about why you get FPS drop near a zerg, even before you system has a to render a single player or effect caused by the zerg battle.

2. More GPU is for the eye candy. Better texture quality, better shading, filtering, and higher levels of filtering. All this improves perceived image quality.

So to your answer question, you need a better GPU if you want to run higher graphic settings with acceptable performance. Your FPS on low settings is already not that bad (30+ in a 30v30v30 is pretty good for most players). The 750 is right at the bottom end of what would be considered a gaming card. If you want those things like better shading, good texture quality, anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, etc…a 770 or 280x is kinda the sweet spot now for performance and value for money.

I think you’re also leaving a little on the table with your CPU overclock. 4.5-4.6 should be fine with a decent heatsink and an adequate case setup. That little extra will make a difference in minimum FPS in blob battles. As for upgrading that too, it’s hard to say. I still use a 2500k @ 4.8 GHz and see no compelling reason to upgrade yet, at least from a value for money perspective.

Thank you for your thorough response, it is very appreciated! Yes I did try overclocking my i7 above 4.3Ghz but it doesn’t work unfortunately, I get blue screen moment I get into desktop or at some early point when I start up GW2, sadly enough…

Visiroth.5914:

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

No matter how good your GPU, GW2 will simply not utilise it properly.
Until, IF, DX11 is ever supported; your best option is for a better CPU, not GPU.

He posted that his GPU is 100% utilization so I’m not sure how you can say that. He also can’t really improve on his CPU, it’s 4.3GHz i7.

Best advice is to get on your server’s WvW voice chat and see if there are people with expensive GPUs, what kind of fps they get and what settings they run.

Thank you, I will try this =)

Dusty Moon.4382:

You need to determine how many of your CPU cores are locked for a specific purpose. I have an i5 2500K and found out that 3 of my 4 cores were locked, meaning that they could only be used for OS specific purposes. Try here – https://bitsum.com/about_cpu_core_parking.php

Yes, I had some of my cores locked aswell, unlocked them by viewing some guide on YouTube did not make any difference, maybe it’s not as good as ParkControl, I’ll try with PC and see if it makes any difference, thank you!

Straegen.2938:

One of the recent patches has really slowed the game on my system. I finally killed every graphical option and I am running OK most of the time. This bothers me mainly because my rig is in the upper high end (i7 Haswell OC’d, Fast 16GB Memory, SSD and a GTX770 also OC’d). Contrast that to nearly 100 FPS in Farcry 3 at 1080P and a 13k 3DMark.

I cannot get the game to use much over 50 percent CPU even though it clearly needs more. I suspect some kitten poor multi-threading in the client. Oh and my CPUs are not parked.

God kitten man, your rig is amazing I feel so bad for you, this is what makes me so sceptical to buying new stuff to my computer just for GW2. It makes me extremely uneasy…

Dawdler.8521:

WvW is going to bring down your fps no matter your card.

Still, a Geforce 780 Ti is about 2-2.5x faster than that little Geforce 750. Look its simple math – the longer the video card, the better it is. Yours is too short you see. Even the width is lacking. A 750 has about 80gb/s bandwidth. A 780 has ~300gb/s or something.

Whether you want to upgrade… Meh that’s your choice. Of course a better card is going to get pricey. Not to mention noisy, if your aim actually is HTPC.

I would strongly advice holding upgrades for a couple of months as prices are highly likely to drop – Geforce 870 and 880 is on the horizon and older versions usually get a cut.

Hmm… makes sense. Thank you =)

Skenderbeu.9102:

zen.6091:

General rules of thumb.

1. You can never go wrong with more CPU in multiplayer games, most of all the really “big” ones like WvW, Battlefield, etc that can have a ton of players and player created action. On a very basic level, think about why you get FPS drop near a zerg, even before you system has a to render a single player or effect caused by the zerg battle.

2. More GPU is for the eye candy. Better texture quality, better shading, filtering, and higher levels of filtering. All this improves perceived image quality.

So to your answer question, you need a better GPU if you want to run higher graphic settings with acceptable performance. Your FPS on low settings is already not that bad (30+ in a 30v30v30 is pretty good for most players). The 750 is right at the bottom end of what would be considered a gaming card. If you want those things like better shading, good texture quality, anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, etc…a 770 or 280x is kinda the sweet spot now for performance and value for money.

I think you’re also leaving a little on the table with your CPU overclock. 4.5-4.6 should be fine with a decent heatsink and an adequate case setup. That little extra will make a difference in minimum FPS in blob battles. As for upgrading that too, it’s hard to say. I still use a 2500k @ 4.8 GHz and see no compelling reason to upgrade yet, at least from a value for money perspective.

Thank you for your thorough response, it is very appreciated! Yes I did try overclocking my i7 above 4.3Ghz but it doesn’t work unfortunately, I get blue screen moment I get into desktop or at some early point when I start up GW2, sadly enough…

You likely did the overclocking incorrectly and/or your current setup could not handle it.

Skenderbeu.9102:

God kitten man, your rig is amazing I feel so bad for you, this is what makes me so sceptical to buying new stuff to my computer just for GW2. It makes me extremely uneasy…

The plus side is a play a lot more games than just GW2. GW2 also runs with all the highest settings in PvE. Unfortunately I don’t play PvE.

The sad part is my laptop (i7 Haswell, 32GB RAM, SSD but with integrated graphics) runs it just as well at a slightly lower res.

Seems the game is mostly CPU bound but there seems to be a CPU core wall. I am curious to see how fast it runs on a Dual Core OC’d. I would not be surprised if it ran much better.

We have a workstation we are building in the office that has 128GB RAM, 2 Xeon 10 core processors and an SSD array. The graphics card is crap though. I will load it up tomorrow and see what it can do in WvW.

GW2 has terrible multi-core performance. I have a Radeon R9 270 2GB and (get this) an AMD 6800k APU with the graphics component turned off. That leaves me with 3 non-hyperthreaded cores, but it’s overclocked to 5Ghz. 8GB of DDR 2133 system mem. I run everything at high (with Supersampling), except I put character model limit and detail at medium. I maintain 50-60 FPS even with about 100 or more people in an open field zerg battle. I can even record 1080p live-compressed video at those settings without much of a dip in FPS — it’ll go to about 40 or so.

Clock speed and single-core performance is a huge deal in GW2. The R9 270 is not even a top-end GPU, and the 6800k APU is not even close to a top-end CPU — but at 5Ghz, it performs extremely well.

Ayrilana.1396:

Skenderbeu.9102:

zen.6091:

General rules of thumb.

1. You can never go wrong with more CPU in multiplayer games, most of all the really “big” ones like WvW, Battlefield, etc that can have a ton of players and player created action. On a very basic level, think about why you get FPS drop near a zerg, even before you system has a to render a single player or effect caused by the zerg battle.

2. More GPU is for the eye candy. Better texture quality, better shading, filtering, and higher levels of filtering. All this improves perceived image quality.

So to your answer question, you need a better GPU if you want to run higher graphic settings with acceptable performance. Your FPS on low settings is already not that bad (30+ in a 30v30v30 is pretty good for most players). The 750 is right at the bottom end of what would be considered a gaming card. If you want those things like better shading, good texture quality, anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, etc…a 770 or 280x is kinda the sweet spot now for performance and value for money.

I think you’re also leaving a little on the table with your CPU overclock. 4.5-4.6 should be fine with a decent heatsink and an adequate case setup. That little extra will make a difference in minimum FPS in blob battles. As for upgrading that too, it’s hard to say. I still use a 2500k @ 4.8 GHz and see no compelling reason to upgrade yet, at least from a value for money perspective.

Thank you for your thorough response, it is very appreciated! Yes I did try overclocking my i7 above 4.3Ghz but it doesn’t work unfortunately, I get blue screen moment I get into desktop or at some early point when I start up GW2, sadly enough…

You likely did the overclocking incorrectly and/or your current setup could not handle it.

I checked with CPU-Z and the number X was there. But I believe I can only raise the multiplier up to 43 ratio (4300 mhz) and not more since it’s within that radius 16-43, system can probably not handle.

Straegen.2938:

Skenderbeu.9102:

God kitten man, your rig is amazing I feel so bad for you, this is what makes me so sceptical to buying new stuff to my computer just for GW2. It makes me extremely uneasy…

The plus side is a play a lot more games than just GW2. GW2 also runs with all the highest settings in PvE. Unfortunately I don’t play PvE.

The sad part is my laptop (i7 Haswell, 32GB RAM, SSD but with integrated graphics) runs it just as well at a slightly lower res.

Seems the game is mostly CPU bound but there seems to be a CPU core wall. I am curious to see how fast it runs on a Dual Core OC’d. I would not be surprised if it ran much better.

We have a workstation we are building in the office that has 128GB RAM, 2 Xeon 10 core processors and an SSD array. The graphics card is crap though. I will load it up tomorrow and see what it can do in WvW.

Do that and please showcase the results it would be awesome

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

GW2 has terrible multi-core performance. I have a Radeon R9 270 2GB and (get this) an AMD 6800k APU with the graphics component turned off. That leaves me with 3 non-hyperthreaded cores, but it’s overclocked to 5Ghz. 8GB of DDR 2133 system mem. I run everything at high (with Supersampling), except I put character model limit and detail at medium. I maintain 50-60 FPS even with about 100 or more people in an open field zerg battle. I can even record 1080p live-compressed video at those settings without much of a dip in FPS — it’ll go to about 40 or so.

Clock speed and single-core performance is a huge deal in GW2. The R9 270 is not even a top-end GPU, and the 6800k APU is not even close to a top-end CPU — but at 5Ghz, it performs extremely well.

Thank you! I guess CPU is more important I guess? Or maybe it’s just your AMD Proccessor?

It may sound crazy.
But, I recently returned to the game after a few months away. When I left nothing slowed my machine down. When I returned.. 20 fps.. everywhere..

Know what fixed it? Autodetect settings.

insanemaniac.2456:

2nd gen i7 is getting old. 4th gen will run much much better. i do minimum 20 fps on a stock 4th gen i5 / geforce 750 on medium graphics in large zergs. i can run high fairly well i just dont like feeling zergs that much.

Clock for clock 4th gen is not amazingly faster than 2nd gen, unless you are measuring the performance of the integrated graphics, which we’re not. This can be confirmed on any major hardware site.

Benchmarks have already been conducted for this game

Heres one

PS. Googling images will show u half a dozen of them

https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=gw2+benchmark+test&safe=off&rlz=1C1LENN_enSG463SG463&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=z9jqU6fEBsjhoASvuIKwBQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=2133&bih=1061&dpr=0.9#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=WXLMN22Kt31OsM%253A%3BXFv69PX79m6kOM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fgamegpu.ru%252Fimages%252Fstories%252FTest_GPU%252FMMO%252FGuild%252520Wars%2525202%252520Beta%252Ftest%252Fgw2%252520proz.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fforums.anandtech.com%252Fshowthread.php%253Ft%253D2261874%3B628%3B666

Skenderbeu.9102:

Do that and please showcase the results it would be awesome

I ran it yesterday on our dual 10 core processor system and it ran about as fast as it does on my Haswell laptop. Both those systems have integrated graphics but GW2 performance seems to apex quickly on modern hardware. The crappy FPS and lag in WvW seems to be a limit of the game not the hardware.

Straegen.2938:

Skenderbeu.9102:

Do that and please showcase the results it would be awesome

I ran it yesterday on our dual 10 core processor system and it ran about as fast as it does on my Haswell laptop. Both those systems have integrated graphics but GW2 performance seems to apex quickly on modern hardware. The crappy FPS and lag in WvW seems to be a limit of the game not the hardware.

Yes. It does seem that playing GW2 at max res on a single screen at 1080p do not fluctuate as much when CPUs run on 4 cores with frequency ranges ofrom 3ghz to 4ghz.

More gain can be seen when playing with a Nvidia 780ti vs 680

If it helps, I have the same generation of i7-2600 as the OP.
GPU: AMD7950 with 3Gb on a single screen 1920×1080, almost all Ultra settings
8Gb RAM
The game runs from my SSD Intel 530,
No problems with mine so I’d say the OP’s CPU is not the bottleneck.

Skenderbeu.9102:

Running settings on low, in a 30v30v30 fight I get about 30-40 fps. In a 30v30 fight about 40-50fps, relatively okay.

CPU: Intel i7-2600k OC’d to 4.3Ghz.
GPU: GeForce GTX 750 OC 1GB.

CPU is bottlenecking, I believe this is why my fps drops a ton sometimes also I cannot run this game in medium graphics in WvW because the lag gets worse. I want to be able to run this game on medium/high so that I can render more people in WvW and see them instead of only seeing their red names above their heads and their invisible bodies. Hard to land important CC that way.

CPU MAX Usage: 35% on task manager.
GPU MAX Usage: 100%.

Anyone has similar problems as mine? Is it just my GPU that needs an upgrade or is it the CPU too? Will a GPU from the 770 series give me an incredible boost to my graphics+fps or is it just a waste of money? I’ve been hearing a lot of broscience lately on GW2 graphics+fps on WvW, please someone set me straight with facts and evidence of any truth.

Regards, Krisi.

I’m running a:

i7 4770k (should give similar performace, depends on your over clocking)
2x Radeon 7870s (not sure how much dual cards matters in GW2)

High Settings
Normal 30v30+: 80-110 FPS
Large scale 30v30v30+: 50-60 FPS

I only run Medium if I am doing something in the background on my PC other than GW2. Like having a second game open, or a bunch of programs.

Usually I would agree that it is the CPU being a bottleneck, and clearly in GW2 it is a huge bottleneck.

But our two CPUs being so similar. I can only see that it is likely your GPU bottle necking you, yes.

Ashadow.6874:

Skenderbeu.9102:

Running settings on low, in a 30v30v30 fight I get about 30-40 fps. In a 30v30 fight about 40-50fps, relatively okay.

CPU: Intel i7-2600k OC’d to 4.3Ghz.
GPU: GeForce GTX 750 OC 1GB.

CPU is bottlenecking, I believe this is why my fps drops a ton sometimes also I cannot run this game in medium graphics in WvW because the lag gets worse. I want to be able to run this game on medium/high so that I can render more people in WvW and see them instead of only seeing their red names above their heads and their invisible bodies. Hard to land important CC that way.

CPU MAX Usage: 35% on task manager.
GPU MAX Usage: 100%.

Anyone has similar problems as mine? Is it just my GPU that needs an upgrade or is it the CPU too? Will a GPU from the 770 series give me an incredible boost to my graphics+fps or is it just a waste of money? I’ve been hearing a lot of broscience lately on GW2 graphics+fps on WvW, please someone set me straight with facts and evidence of any truth.

Regards, Krisi.

I’m running a:

i7 4770k (should give similar performace, depends on your over clocking)
2x Radeon 7870s (not sure how much dual cards matters in GW2)

High Settings
Normal 30v30+: 80-110 FPS
Large scale 30v30v30+: 50-60 FPS

I only run Medium if I am doing something in the background on my PC other than GW2. Like having a second game open, or a bunch of programs.

Usually I would agree that it is the CPU being a bottleneck, and clearly in GW2 it is a huge bottleneck.

But our two CPUs being so similar. I can only see that it is likely your GPU bottle necking you, yes.

Dual graphics card work at around a 70% efficiency range (SLI -Nvidia). When i used to run sli 460gtx back in 2013 , disabling 1 graphics dropped my FPS by 15.

So yes we can now confirm that if you run a 4 core i5 or i7 at or around the range of 3 to 4ghz but have a graphics card below 680 , the upgrade is well worth it. Moreover with large zerg battles with max seetings

For those waiting on the 8XX series of nvidia cards , the 870nvidia card is equivalent to the 780(non TI) Nvidia card.

If you have a 580 or above Nvidia equivalent card i would wait for the 880gtx seeing as dx12 games are still some time away. If you want something now 780TI will smack most cards onto the floor and can be OCed like it was born to do so.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gtx-870-coolaler-report,27425.html

Skenderbeu.9102:

Ayrilana.1396:

Skenderbeu.9102:

zen.6091:

General rules of thumb.

1. You can never go wrong with more CPU in multiplayer games, most of all the really “big” ones like WvW, Battlefield, etc that can have a ton of players and player created action. On a very basic level, think about why you get FPS drop near a zerg, even before you system has a to render a single player or effect caused by the zerg battle.

2. More GPU is for the eye candy. Better texture quality, better shading, filtering, and higher levels of filtering. All this improves perceived image quality.

So to your answer question, you need a better GPU if you want to run higher graphic settings with acceptable performance. Your FPS on low settings is already not that bad (30+ in a 30v30v30 is pretty good for most players). The 750 is right at the bottom end of what would be considered a gaming card. If you want those things like better shading, good texture quality, anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, etc…a 770 or 280x is kinda the sweet spot now for performance and value for money.

I think you’re also leaving a little on the table with your CPU overclock. 4.5-4.6 should be fine with a decent heatsink and an adequate case setup. That little extra will make a difference in minimum FPS in blob battles. As for upgrading that too, it’s hard to say. I still use a 2500k @ 4.8 GHz and see no compelling reason to upgrade yet, at least from a value for money perspective.

Thank you for your thorough response, it is very appreciated! Yes I did try overclocking my i7 above 4.3Ghz but it doesn’t work unfortunately, I get blue screen moment I get into desktop or at some early point when I start up GW2, sadly enough…

You likely did the overclocking incorrectly and/or your current setup could not handle it.

I checked with CPU-Z and the number X was there. But I believe I can only raise the multiplier up to 43 ratio (4300 mhz) and not more since it’s within that radius 16-43, system can probably not handle.

Did you adjust the voltages?

Ayrilana.1396:

Skenderbeu.9102:

Ayrilana.1396:

Skenderbeu.9102:

zen.6091:

General rules of thumb.

1. You can never go wrong with more CPU in multiplayer games, most of all the really “big” ones like WvW, Battlefield, etc that can have a ton of players and player created action. On a very basic level, think about why you get FPS drop near a zerg, even before you system has a to render a single player or effect caused by the zerg battle.

2. More GPU is for the eye candy. Better texture quality, better shading, filtering, and higher levels of filtering. All this improves perceived image quality.

So to your answer question, you need a better GPU if you want to run higher graphic settings with acceptable performance. Your FPS on low settings is already not that bad (30+ in a 30v30v30 is pretty good for most players). The 750 is right at the bottom end of what would be considered a gaming card. If you want those things like better shading, good texture quality, anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, etc…a 770 or 280x is kinda the sweet spot now for performance and value for money.

I think you’re also leaving a little on the table with your CPU overclock. 4.5-4.6 should be fine with a decent heatsink and an adequate case setup. That little extra will make a difference in minimum FPS in blob battles. As for upgrading that too, it’s hard to say. I still use a 2500k @ 4.8 GHz and see no compelling reason to upgrade yet, at least from a value for money perspective.

Thank you for your thorough response, it is very appreciated! Yes I did try overclocking my i7 above 4.3Ghz but it doesn’t work unfortunately, I get blue screen moment I get into desktop or at some early point when I start up GW2, sadly enough…

You likely did the overclocking incorrectly and/or your current setup could not handle it.

I checked with CPU-Z and the number X was there. But I believe I can only raise the multiplier up to 43 ratio (4300 mhz) and not more since it’s within that radius 16-43, system can probably not handle.

Did you adjust the voltages?

Yeah they at 1.500

I have another question though, can also my HDD be a problem in this entire mess?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/CYBERPOWERPC-Gamer-Ultra-GUA2000W-Desktop-PC-with-AMD-Zambezi-FX-6300-6-Core-Processor-8GB-Memory-1TB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-8.1-Monitor-Not-Includ/34643909 .. can csomebody plz check this out for me.. copy and paste it in web bar… does anyone know if it would run god for wvw zergs etc for guild wars 2 let me knkow plz thank u…

It’s a bit of a low-mid budget pc…its hard to tell how well it will do in WvW.You shouldn’t expect godlike Fps ..You might average around 50 and in blob fight 15 – 25fps i think depending on your settings.I did read the cpu overclocks well, and seen the Radeon R7 250 running bf4.

For that price i think it;s a pretty good deal,youl be able to play gw2 fine though,thats for sure.

Besides try to youtube the Cpu name + the Gpu name and look for people playing games on it,see how it fairs.

*AMD FX 6300, AMD R7 250…Budget Gaming Build 2014 (gameplay) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa6mgJsi30E

Ah, a very old necro post on gw2 GPUs that is still relevant.

Caedmon is quite right.A low to mid level budget system.

The CPU seems to be on par with an entry level i5-3XXX

With blob fights , a high end PC still tries to maintain high FPS with MAX settings while in other games that have just been released run 60fps just nicely.

The video card will run gw2 but do not expect 780ti standards.

Well that GPU is problem. It’s very slow even compared my 2 years old radeon 7850.