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Posted by: TehHobNob.4687

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Over the past year people have really discovered the meta in WvW. Guardians and warriors in front, elementalists for waters and aoe, and Necros for wells. Whenever I log in to play wvw I am asked to switch to one of these. It isn’t a big deal. I like helping my guild and sever as much as possible but I would rather be playing my main (teef.) As many of you know this is not part of the meta.

In GvGs there are “pick teams” of high dps/cc players that take out back lines. Right now I fit that role in our WvW fights with a panic strike build I play fairly well. Not claiming to be really uber top 10 in the world good. Just well. I do okay. I have a good amount of experience in that role. I co-ordinate with my party to spike and pick targets and they die. I will also run a venom share hybrid 2,0,6,0,6 with devourer and bassy venoms for everyone! I’m like Oprah giving out these venoms!

There are many players that play their class very well that don’t get the recognition they deserve. You could play your engi, mes, ranger, or teef very well and contribute in many different ways….. but you in the group’s eyes as a whole are not as valuable to the team as a GWEN player. Yes GWEN players are super important! Where would I be without my tank friends? I be ded. very ded. My ele friends quench mah thirst so well <3. my necros keep on the pressure so I can push.

I believe there should be more tangible ways of non GWEN players being able to contribute. Maybe the new specializations will have more team comps provided. That and I’m asking the community for a huge favor! Please, please, PLEASE don’t assume everyone that is playing something other than the meta is a scrub who cant help in any way and be kind to each other

Am I the only scrub who noticed this was happening? pls tell me i’m not. Any comments? Share them so we can (I can) understand this situation a bit more wholeheartedly.

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Posted by: TehHobNob.4687

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Changed my tag. I’m on Jade Quarry

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Posted by: insanemaniac.2456

insanemaniac.2456

play what you want and solo roam if you get gkicked !

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Posted by: coglin.1867

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Pancakes, you play your thief all the time. In our guild, I feel your scouting abilities and back line assassination are rather appreciated.

We all know that I almost never play a GWEN profession.

A video on what weak PvPer’s and WvWer’s want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q3em9s5I4c

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Posted by: bloodletting wolf.2837

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If you want to not run gwen it comes down to your party composition. Design your party for a specific job within or near the zerg and you will get a lot of success. You can make things work just running solo in the zerg but it’s a lot harder and chances are you aren’t contributing as much.

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Posted by: Dawdler.8521

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Since when are focus or scouting parties consisting of more independant players and classes (thieves especially) not part of the meta? Maybe they arent mentioned in the “GWEN” name, but they are an important part of the complete GWEN setup.

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Posted by: Kicast.1459

Kicast.1459

Team Aggression vs Visceral Effect : https://youtu.be/sZKaAixhQUw
Dp thief have huge role in gvg today…I would say unfortunately as it is cheesy with no counterplay for the target except when it is a thief.

In fact thief is kitten meta in all part of the game…even pve (but this is pointless)
Uncontested kings of their domain. Often hardcounters…never hardcountered.

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Posted by: Prysin.8542

Prysin.8542

Iv’e said it before, and ill say it again.
GWEN is not the only solution, it is the EASIEST solution. You can make a zerg with Rangers, Engies, Thieves and Guardians alone if you want. It would require the players in question to absolutely intimate and deeply experienced with their assigned profession, but it can be done.
Granted, now that most people have set up a GWEN char for their WvW purposes, nobody is going to spend time gearing out a non meta char for the sole purpose of proving that a non meta setup can actually work just as well.

So there is that.

Also, please do try use any GWEN char for roaming, i do not care how good you THINK you are, any average ranger, thief, mesmer or engineer will tear you apart in that setting. So to be fair, sure the remaining 4 professions may not have a slot in WvW ZERGING at this point, but they play another role, which can be just as valuable if not even more valuable depending on how effective you are at roaming and slapping yaks.

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Posted by: coglin.1867

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GWENs value is much less then it used to be as well. What made GWEN so strong before what complete and bias immunity to all CC for the duration of stability. Now a single engineer with slick shoes can strip the stability of the entire front line tanks. In my opinion, the stability changes significantly reduces the guardians value , in particular, in larger forces.

A video on what weak PvPer’s and WvWer’s want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q3em9s5I4c

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Posted by: TehHobNob.4687

TehHobNob.4687

Pancakes, you play your thief all the time. In our guild, I feel your scouting abilities and back line assassination are rather appreciated.

We all know that I almost never play a GWEN profession.

Hey Coglin thank you! Yeah you being our resident engi you know where i’m coming from. I’m not talking about SG. Just about the game state as a whole.

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Posted by: TehHobNob.4687

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GWENs value is much less then it used to be as well. What made GWEN so strong before what complete and bias immunity to all CC for the duration of stability. Now a single engineer with slick shoes can strip the stability of the entire front line tanks. In my opinion, the stability changes significantly reduces the guardians value , in particular, in larger forces.

I agree completely. You and I both know a few guards that aren’t the happiest with those changes haha. In my opinion CC just got a huge buff. the more the better.

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Posted by: coglin.1867

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Hey, I agree. There are some close minded folks out there who are GWEN or go home. Their lose, in my opinion. They miss out on handy veils, portals, scouting thieves, sniping groups with rangers, engineers stripping an entire front lines of all stability with one slick shoes application, the list goes on and on.

Those who are so exclusive, cut themselves short. In my mind, they deserve every one push wipe that they get.

A video on what weak PvPer’s and WvWer’s want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q3em9s5I4c

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Posted by: oscuro.9720

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Without ur heavies, you can survive…if you run SA
Zerg diving ftw

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Posted by: gennyt.3428

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Iv’e said it before, and ill say it again.
GWEN is not the only solution, it is the EASIEST solution. You can make a zerg with Rangers, Engies, Thieves and Guardians alone if you want. It would require the players in question to absolutely intimate and deeply experienced with their assigned profession, but it can be done.
Granted, now that most people have set up a GWEN char for their WvW purposes, nobody is going to spend time gearing out a non meta char for the sole purpose of proving that a non meta setup can actually work just as well.

So there is that.

Also, please do try use any GWEN char for roaming, i do not care how good you THINK you are, any average ranger, thief, mesmer or engineer will tear you apart in that setting. So to be fair, sure the remaining 4 professions may not have a slot in WvW ZERGING at this point, but they play another role, which can be just as valuable if not even more valuable depending on how effective you are at roaming and slapping yaks.

In theory, crazy comps of skilled and precise players can work against a poorly coordinated group but what you’re suggesting would most likely get busted by a competent meta force. After two years you kinda have to wonder why no one does it. There is “easy” and there is optimal.

And as for roaming, I know there are Guards, Wars, Eles and Necros that will completely demolish most Thieves, Mesmers, Rangers and Engineers they come across.

Whispers with meat.

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Posted by: dancingmonkey.4902

dancingmonkey.4902

Iv’e said it before, and ill say it again.
GWEN is not the only solution, it is the EASIEST solution. You can make a zerg with Rangers, Engies, Thieves and Guardians alone if you want. It would require the players in question to absolutely intimate and deeply experienced with their assigned profession, but it can be done.
Granted, now that most people have set up a GWEN char for their WvW purposes, nobody is going to spend time gearing out a non meta char for the sole purpose of proving that a non meta setup can actually work just as well.

So there is that.

Also, please do try use any GWEN char for roaming, i do not care how good you THINK you are, any average ranger, thief, mesmer or engineer will tear you apart in that setting. So to be fair, sure the remaining 4 professions may not have a slot in WvW ZERGING at this point, but they play another role, which can be just as valuable if not even more valuable depending on how effective you are at roaming and slapping yaks.

In theory, crazy comps of skilled and precise players can work against a poorly coordinated group but what you’re suggesting would most likely get busted by a competent meta force. After two years you kinda have to wonder why no one does it. There is “easy” and there is optimal.

That argument only meant something before recent skill changes. Even before, I saw those with the capacity to think outside the meta and lead instead of follow, defeat good meta players, because they are only practiced against the meta. You throw something new at them and they are not experienced with how to react to it.

That said, your argument as a whole applied before because of the crutch that GWEN set ups had on stability being over powered. Now that stability is no where near as strong as it used to be, neither is that tired old argument for it.

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Posted by: SpellOfIniquity.1780

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Cool story, bro. It’s a video game. Play it like one. Have fun and play what you want, who cares if you’re not contributing as much as you could be as long as you’re contributing as much as you can.

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Posted by: Prysin.8542

Prysin.8542

Cool story, bro. It’s a video game. Play it like one. Have fun and play what you want, who cares if you’re not contributing as much as you could be as long as you’re contributing as much as you can.

Well said.
+1

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Posted by: FrownyClown.8402

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my guild tried no gank in our 20 man last night and replaced with frontline. It made a big difference in fighting outnumbered. Our backline survived better too. Gank is good in a gvg setting. Open field not so much.


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Posted by: Dawdler.8521

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my guild tried no gank in our 20 man last night and replaced with frontline. It made a big difference in fighting outnumbered. Our backline survived better too. Gank is good in a gvg setting. Open field not so much.

Well of course. Thats why a strong core is that can better match the enemy is needed. Assuming full parties, you would run 15 GWEN and 5 focus before, then you ran 20 GWEN and found it better outmanned. You could run 20 GWEN and 5 focus and be even stronger.

Its just a numbers game. if you can down more of them than your guild go down, you win. A tougher core goes down slower.

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Posted by: Azrael.4960

Azrael.4960

I prefer my ranger even though I’ve mained my necro in wvw in the past.

Because Point Blank Shot and Cliffs.