Guild Wars 2

I wonder if the fact that trebs on the high hills of the center garrison keep can reach the walls of DB is an intended design?! Seems a bit iffy since you can’t really destroy those trebs, unless you take the garrison keep.

Just wondering…

If that bugs you consider the southern wall of DB can be trebbed from the tower down there. Having said that, it’s not hard to take the outer wall of DB down. Getting past the inner wall is a completely different story tho. Definitly the best inner keep wall where as askilon has the best outer wall.

I know the names differ from map to map, figure it out ;P

You can kill those trebs, and yes I’m certain this was intended. Anet has been play testing the game for years. Do think we players can come up with stuff they didnt’t think of?

Well, ok. The hackers, yeah. But normal game play, no.

it’s intended, you just gotta figure out how to take them out. (it’s a secret)

You can destroy them without taking the keep. Set up some ballistas below the cliff about half way between the Veteren flag guy and the hills and target the Trebs. #2 attack usually hits them. If the ballista doesn’t reach then try a few different spots. We have done this and have had this done to us so I know it works.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

Do think we players can come up with stuff they didnt’t think of?

Well, ok. The hackers, yeah. But normal game play, no.

yes? is this really the first game you’ve played? Because seriously. yes.
2million people can very quickly find things devs overlooked. Maybe what, 15 dev/QA that would have actually been involved in the kind of testing that would have caught a map design flaw like that.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

You can kill those trebs, and yes I’m certain this was intended. Anet has been play testing the game for years. Do think we players can come up with stuff they didnt’t think of?

Well, ok. The hackers, yeah. But normal game play, no.

I’m sure there’s heaps of things players figure out that ANet never thought of.. but anyway not here to discuss ANet’s testing department :-)

So how do you take those trebs out?! Don’t think you can shoot them from the ground, can you?

Hackuuna.4085:

You can destroy them without taking the keep. Set up some ballistas below the cliff about half way between the Veteren flag guy and the hills and target the Trebs. #2 attack usually hits them. If the ballista doesn’t reach then try a few different spots. We have done this and have had this done to us so I know it works.

Good to know! Thx.

Docmandu.2914:

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

You can kill those trebs, and yes I’m certain this was intended. Anet has been play testing the game for years. Do think we players can come up with stuff they didnt’t think of?

Well, ok. The hackers, yeah. But normal game play, no.

I’m sure there’s heaps of things players figure out that ANet never thought of.. but anyway not here to discuss ANet’s testing department :-)

So how do you take those trebs out?! Don’t think you can shoot them from the ground, can you?

There is about a 30ft area directly under then, north of the Sentry point, where ballista can fire up and hit them via aoe/though the ground with the #2 attack. in the same way player aoes can clip though the ground if its aoe is wide enough to hit on top of walls.

You can position the Trebuchet so they cannot be killed by Ballista fire. Have fun killing them now that Lightning Surge has been fixed.

Garrison says: “Check-mate!”

Yeah, the ballista with its AOE can hit it underneath those cliffs, just gotta find the range.

But that’s the advantage of holding garrison, you can pressure DB all day and forces your opponents to do something about it, therefore creating conflict and urgency. Nobody wants a stalemate, heh.

FamousTran.7238:

But that’s the advantage of holding garrison, you can pressure DB all day and forces your opponents to do something about it, therefore creating conflict and urgency. Nobody wants a stalemate, heh.

It actually creates the scenario where the “Bay Keep” is subject to pressure by Garrison by default, and usually results in the Eastern invaders 2v1’ing the Western invaders. The “Bay Keep” is considered the worst keep in the game due “perfect” Garrison Trebuchets which cannot be killed by Ballista.

And yes, I assure you a Ballista cannot kill Trebuchet which are positioned so that the Ballista bolt will explode on the terrain too far away to deal any damage. Your only option to destroying them results in sieging the Garrison (Which, by the way, is a ridiculous design).

It’s the worst keep, but it’s also fun to defend as well, heh.

yeah, it forces a stalemate condition. not the opposite. Bay is forced to fight defensively nonstop.
this is made worse by the innercliff face. Useless for defenders, but a very powerful tool for attackers to use to launch attacks on inner keep.

Compared to say, garrison, where loosing your outerwalls happens all the time, but its not the end of the world.

You can’t really defend outer bay at all. And you have to fight nonstop to keep them from setting up shop in inner bay north.

Tempest Storm and quaggan friendship would take out any siege equipment in Garrison in a reasonable amount of time…