Guild Wars 2

I will keep this main post up to date as long as this thread remains active.

Goals:

• Foster organization and participation in WvW on Gate of Madness
• Provide a resource for players and guilds to communicate and coordinate
• For now, become a competitive server in tier 7

Guilds

• BB – Small guild of friends who play late nights. Often runs in small groups with LoR and RH flipping objectives.

Here is stuff we can track:

• Guild names, how many people they have, how many are usually in WvW and when, and what they like to do. Perhaps info on the names of leaders, commanders, whether they are recruiting, whether they have voice chat
• Weekly objectives, e.g. “Guild leaders please have your guild claim and upgrade keeps and towers”, “Looking for 2-4 small guilds to raid supply camps in the other BLs”. Maybe this shows our cards too much, so maybe we don’t do this.

P.S. I realize this thread could flop. It’s up to you.

it’s never the threads that flop, it’s the guilds that flip(leave) just don’t bother. this will be the third proposed GoM ‘alliance’
each misses this point: you are on a server and you’ll be on GoM’s side every time you go into WvW until you switch servers, so why the pointless formality of an ‘alliance’ when the entirety of the people in wvw want to win it? an alliance on top of an alliance?
by the way, each ‘alliance’ was more like a dictatorship, if i disagree with something you say i’m not doing it, i’ll work with you but i’m not joining some ‘allianceception’ to do it.

Hey, you guys have the best mortar, and treb operators. They never miss, even with the first shot, and can take out opposition siege like champs.

I’m not seeking to build an alliance. I should have thought about the topic title more before posting. I’m waiting for those who are or want to be leaders to reveal themselves. Often times this comes from larger guilds. There’s a lot of small guilds doing their own thing, and they are terrific assets. But a server also needs a higher level of coordination from time to time to do things like:

• Defend against a zerg (“Five minutes ago I said they were at X and nobody came to defend”)
• Execute a strategy (“Squad A take titan then head east, squad B grab the quaggan, we need 15 defenders to stay with me while we upgrade our keep, the rest head with Scarlet Johansen to take DB”)
• Create some kind of off-peak presense so that we at least don’t get run over

Hey, I’m a realistic man. If it can’t be done it can’t be done. If nobody wants to step up, so be it. We’ll just be stuck at the bottom of our tier indefinitely. Leadership inspires. Sometimes it organizes and manages. It certainly doesn’t stand back and complain because groups aren’t self-coalescing to get things done.

Eviator.9746:

I’m not seeking to build an alliance. I should have thought about the topic title more before posting. I’m waiting for those who are or want to be leaders to reveal themselves. Often times this comes from larger guilds. There’s a lot of small guilds doing their own thing, and they are terrific assets. But a server also needs a higher level of coordination from time to time to do things like:

• Defend against a zerg (“Five minutes ago I said they were at X and nobody came to defend”)
• Execute a strategy (“Squad A take titan then head east, squad B grab the quaggan, we need 15 defenders to stay with me while we upgrade our keep, the rest head with Scarlet Johansen to take DB”)
• Create some kind of off-peak presense so that we at least don’t get run over

Hey, I’m a realistic man. If it can’t be done it can’t be done. If nobody wants to step up, so be it. We’ll just be stuck at the bottom of our tier indefinitely.

And this is why I’m considering switching servers. Our guilds don’t organize well in WvW and randoms dgaf if something’s being attacked, even if its called out in chat.

Late-night player here. My guild are all local friends and don’t tend to WvW much, so I can usually be found running with whatever objectives LoR and RH are working on.

If I can ever spark WvW within my own guild, we’d be able to field enough for flip-squads on two maps.

‘a swarm of midgets’
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Quite frankly, we SHOULD be trying to build an alliance. Just because two alliances flopped before does not make it a bad idea, it just means that it is not easy.

I agree with lightsbane, alliances often get it wrong. The goal is not to have a “commander in chief” issuing orders to the entire server. That misses the entire point. This is a volunteer organization. You cannot lead by authority, you have to lead through encouragement and inspiration.

A good alliance should do the following:
- Build Community
- Train new players
- Recruit PvE players for WvW
- Offer a means for donating resources to the cause
- Voice Chat
- Server Forum (including PvE resources, we want PvE people involved too, that is how we recruit them)
- Commander Schedule Signup (so we can have maximum commander up-time.)
- Guild Claiming Signup (so we can take best advantage of guild buffs)
- Enforce a simple code of conduct (no hacking, no drama, etc)
- Build Morale!!!

An alliance like this does not even need a leader, it really just needs a manager. This sort of alliance does not demand that people participate, but instead if offers benefits to the community, which encourages people to volunteer and participate.

This biggest thing an alliance like this needs is support, support from guilds and commanders, to get it off the ground. So the big question is: Are people willing support it?

If so, then we can start talking details.

titanlectro.5029:

Quite frankly, we SHOULD be trying to build an alliance. Just because two alliances flopped before does not make it a bad idea, it just means that it is not easy.

I agree with lightsbane, alliances often get it wrong. The goal is not to have a “commander in chief” issuing orders to the entire server. That misses the entire point. This is a volunteer organization. You cannot lead by authority, you have to lead through encouragement and inspiration.

A good alliance should do the following:
- Build Community
- Train new players
- Recruit PvE players for WvW
- Offer a means for donating resources to the cause
- Voice Chat
- Server Forum (including PvE resources, we want PvE people involved too, that is how we recruit them)
- Commander Schedule Signup (so we can have maximum commander up-time.)
- Guild Claiming Signup (so we can take best advantage of guild buffs)
- Enforce a simple code of conduct (no hacking, no drama, etc)
- Build Morale!!!

An alliance like this does not even need a leader, it really just needs a manager. This sort of alliance does not demand that people participate, but instead if offers benefits to the community, which encourages people to volunteer and participate.

This biggest thing an alliance like this needs is support, support from guilds and commanders, to get it off the ground. So the big question is: Are people willing support it?

If so, then we cant start talking details.

notice: none of those things listed require an ‘alliance’ if you want to work with a guild, and that guild is larger than your own, politely ask them to join their voice chat program.

Lightsbane I’d like to get your take on the concept of organized leadership. You seem to be advocating no kind of organizational structure under the assumption that smaller disjoint groups will successfully coordinate as a whole, and that individuals will reach out in order to improve their own personal efficiency. I’d argue that hasn’t worked so far at the strategic level, but that is neither here nor there.

What I want to know is, what do you propose as an alternative to alliances, and how does that alternative produce results?

Lightsbane.9012:

notice: none of those things listed require an ‘alliance’ if you want to work with a guild, and that guild is larger than your own, politely ask them to join their voice chat program.

I disagree. This is bigger than joining another guild’s voice chat. I’ve done that with guilds before, and it did not fix the larger problem. It is a small scale, short term fix.

Eviator.9746:

Lightsbane I’d like to get your take on the concept of organized leadership. You seem to be advocating no kind of organizational structure under the assumption that smaller disjoint groups will successfully coordinate as a whole, and that individuals will reach out in order to improve their own personal efficiency. I’d argue that hasn’t worked so far, but that is neither here nor there.

What I want to know is, what do you propose as an alternative to alliances, and how does that alternative produces results?

i’m merely telling you that already like minded people shouldn’t need an alliance on top of an alliance to…be like minded. i’m speaking out of experience of course. first alliance transferred to a server i don’t know the name of, second alliance transferred to AR(tcmm), this would be the third attempt. in my opinion, alliances could do a lot, perhaps i’m being too cynical. the only way i think this works is if you’re all in one guild. may as well be, no?

Lightsbane.9012:

i’m merely telling you that already like minded people shouldn’t need an alliance on top of an alliance to…be like minded.

Sounds reasonable. I don’t suppose there are folks in CC who would take up leadership responsibility, not in the form of an alliance, but in general to help improve our server’s organization? Getting out the names of leaders who people trust is a big step in the right direction. I.e. “Hey Korvus Mindbend is on, let’s see if he needs our guild to do something.”

Love it, I’ve been lookin to do more network between the folks I regularly see in WvW.

Eviator.9746:

Lightsbane.9012:

i’m merely telling you that already like minded people shouldn’t need an alliance on top of an alliance to…be like minded.

Sounds reasonable. I don’t suppose there are folks in CC who would take up leadership responsibility, not in the form of an alliance, but in general to help improve our server’s organization? Getting out the names of leaders who people trust is a big step in the right direction. I.e. “Hey Korvus Mindbend is on, let’s see if he needs our guild to do something.”

i wouldn’t object to that, but it’s really just me. only one with a heavy presence in wvw at least.

Here is a quote from the current GoM match thread. THIS is why we need an alliance, something bigger than “get to know people” or “join someone else’s voice chat.”

Lightsbane, its not about becoming “more like-minded.” It is about communication, coordination, and recruitment.

Bearded.6485:

…
Also we took BP’s advise and started hitting up the PvEer’s!

Basically what your seeing in a comulative effect of several things! An alliance that works together, a few more people, We were concentrating our numbers on BP, now we are concentrating them on you, we are getting more organized, and playing smarter.

IMHO
Anvil Rock is about 2 or 3 medium sized guilds for a night crew from being pretty good. We could also use a few more primetime guilds as well, ID like to run a few dungeons :-P

BTW you GOM and ET guys that play WvW and want to be apart of a good alliance that works together, should look at Anvil Rock. The allaince is already set up and we already have a server wide TS. Also there is a decent possibilty that Anvil Rock is going to face BP next week and we are going to need the help!

An alliance makes a difference. I could easily dig around in the old threads with BP and pull up the same story, but I hope that you get the point.

titanlectro.5029:

Here is a quote from the current GoM match thread. THIS is why we need an alliance, something bigger than “get to know people” or “join someone else’s voice chat.”

Lightsbane, its not about becoming “more like-minded.” It is about communication, coordination, and recruitment.

Bearded.6485:

…
Also we took BP’s advise and started hitting up the PvEer’s!

Basically what your seeing in a comulative effect of several things! An alliance that works together, a few more people, We were concentrating our numbers on BP, now we are concentrating them on you, we are getting more organized, and playing smarter.

IMHO
Anvil Rock is about 2 or 3 medium sized guilds for a night crew from being pretty good. We could also use a few more primetime guilds as well, ID like to run a few dungeons :-P

BTW you GOM and ET guys that play WvW and want to be apart of a good alliance that works together, should look at Anvil Rock. The allaince is already set up and we already have a server wide TS. Also there is a decent possibilty that Anvil Rock is going to face BP next week and we are going to need the help!

An alliance makes a difference. I could easily dig around in the old threads with BP and pull up the same story, but I hope that you get the point.

i’m sure it wasn’t the fact that a lot of GoM guilds left for them. periodically, of course. whatever, no use arguing over why a zerg server stomped us.

Come join the AR Alliance you know you want to!

Eviator, feel free to pop me a message tonight ingame, and I can give you some tips from what I’ve done organization wise on our server since people started dropping out and we realized we were a bit low on communication.

:)

I always love to help!

Well, seeing how we’re all fighting the same people, for the same reasons. I’d say we’re in an alliance weather you like it or not. So the only thing we now need to do is communicate with each other better.

If you are a commander and just joined a map, please take a minute to see what is going on in that map. there has been one too many failed sieges we were winning because a new commander shows up and starts telling every one to change maps, targets, or rally on him. effectively dividing our force that is out numbered to start with.

Remember, just because you don’t have a commander tag doesn’t mean you cant take charge and lead. but as i just said above, please be sure you know what is going on when you do. a new player that just showed up and starts yelling orders over the other leader who has been there longer then you. causes huge amount of confusion for many of the players.

those are just two little things that will help.

flame away!

See this post:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Gate-of-Madness-Alliance/first#post912899

Bumping this thread since the idea of a GoM alliance has resurfaced. Lots of interesting ideas in here.