Guild Wars 2

They are re-evaluating. They clearly agree with you that some sort of WvW activity should be necessary which is why they added the requirement. Apparently, the r30 doesn’t seem to be the answer.

Please make it rank 50.

The PvE people whined long enough. I mean they already have everything geared toward them, why not make it easier. It’s hilarious. Rank 30 isn’t even that bad.

Ken DeBoer.9268:

Please make it rank 50.

I’m for increasing it. 30 ranks is chump change.

If people want a legendary, they should master all aspects of the game.

edit: If there is going to be a compromise for PvE players, then how about a compromise for WvW players?

How about reducing karma requirements or dungeon tokens?

eleshazar.6902:

Allie Murdock.8152:

We will be removing all rank requirements for the Gift of Battle in the February 18th build and further evaluate what those requirements will be. We do not currently have an ETA for when rank requirements will be reinstated.

Why? There is so much PvE that is required out of a legendary. Now you don’t have to step foot in WvW longer than to buy your gift of battle since you put badges in achievement chests. I thought this was a great move to make a legendary actually have you try more game modes before getting a legendary. Now you just have to PvE for the whole thing :-( Ever since adding the badges into AP chests the gift of battle no longer is a sign of trying out WvW, which is what it was intended to be when you could only get badges from being in WvW.

False – ever see the map completion complaints? While I do enough wvw the badge requirement and completion were no big deal, don’t claim they can step in and buy gift and be done either……

TBH, I’d rather tie it something that isn’t an incremental number. I’m sure there’s something much more elaborate and interesting in gameplay Arenanet could devise besides a rank requirement.

Thanks for the update, Allie! Welcome back!

Could you also please remove the Tier 6 Mat requirements for Gift of Magic and Gift of Might, and the Dungeon Token requirements for Gift of Color etc. and let us buy Precursors off a vendor for karma while you’re at it.

Because I realize in taking this step you want to ensure that achieving a Legendary is easy and not needlessly difficult.

Gift of Battle. (Battle not required.)

Sounds like a punch-line waiting to happen.

VOLKON.1290:

Gift of Battle. (Battle not required.)

Sounds like a punch-line waiting to happen.

This just made my day!

With WvW ranks eventually becoming account bound, the real question is why?

You only have to do it once, besides your first Gift of Battle can essentially be free with the badges from achievements.

30 ranks is nothing, the WvW map completion is the more annoying bit (even to someone who enjoys WvW because character effectiveness on alts is reduced until you grab all PoI’s).

“and further evaluate what those requirements will be”

I only hope that you do not lessen it further. 30 ranks is nothing when you consider the time investment it takes to get the other components in the legendary.

Heck, it should cost even more. 50 ranks and 1000-1500 badges (considering you get so many free ones in achievement boxes)

Zale.9645:

Thank God for this. There is no question that WvW should not be required for a legendary and kitten all you kittens that say otherwise.

Gonna enjoy snagging my gift of battle without having to consort with you PvP mongrels.

Looks like someone has had their share of being a PvP ‘griefing’ victim

So I guess the message is . . . get it while you can?

I wholeheartedly agree that Rank 30 is far too low of a requirement. The Gift of Battle should be as follows:

Rank 50 WvW (since ranks are being combined account wide)
1,000 Badges (since you already get half for free from achievements)
Rank 10 SPvP
10,000 Glory

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Zale.9645:

Thank God for this. There is no question that WvW should not be required for a legendary and kitten all you kittens that say otherwise.

Gonna enjoy snagging my gift of battle without having to consort with you PvP mongrels.

Looks like someone has had their share of being a PvP ‘griefing’ victim

Never once PVP’d in this game. I have class.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I wholeheartedly agree that Rank 30 is far too low of a requirement. The Gift of Battle should be as follows:

Rank 50 WvW (since ranks are being combined account wide)
1,000 Badges (since you already get half for free from achievements)
Rank 10 SPvP
10,000 Glory

Glory is being removed… and what isn’t spent will just disappear, since they are going to make gold the universal currency across all modes…

I’d personally suggest severely reducing badges from achievement chests (like to 1/10 it’s current – only give them less often, like only in massive chests), rather than adding a rank requirement to gift of battle.
I was flabbergasted when I kept getting 100+ badges every chest – which ends up being around 2,000 by 5,000 AP or 4,000 by 10,000 AP

Zale.9645:

Vol.7601:

Zale.9645:

Thank God for this. There is no question that WvW should not be required for a legendary and kitten all you kittens that say otherwise.

Gonna enjoy snagging my gift of battle without having to consort with you PvP mongrels.

Looks like someone has had their share of being a PvP ‘griefing’ victim

Never once PVP’d in this game. I have class.

Says the person who compares PvP/WvWers to ‘mongrels’

We’re not all that bad

I absolutely agree the PvEers shouldn’t be forced into WvW for their flashy items. That being said WvW should have it’s own way of getting top gear items without having to PvE or craft. That or just scale ascended and legendary stats down to exotic in WvW.

maybe wvw community should gather gold to buy that magic pve tear that makes dev’s change whatever we want.

maybe use it for commander tag update!?

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I would prefer to see legendaries broken into mode specific variations. No, not to tick anyone off, but because there simply are people that only play a single mode, and that is their right.

PvPers don’t even have access to legendaries in their chosen mode unless they leave it to play WvW and PvE, and they really shouldn’t have to.

WvWers that don’t enjoy the pve aspect of the game should not have to pve to get their ledendary. It should be completely obtainable via their chosen mode.

The same goes for pve players. Some, for any number of reasons, choose not to play wvw or pvp and should not have to.

Now, I understand that it is desirable to encourage cross mode play. Legendaries could still be used for this, by means of allowing cross mode players to obtain the mode specific legendary and then combine them to make something more visually ‘stunning’, similar to how sunrise and twilight are combined to create eternity. Perhaps the combination of any 2 modes would give one look, and the combination of all 3 would give another, while each individual mode should have its own distinct look as well. This would still encourage the cross mode play (since that’s the only way you could get the other look), but does not lock people away from the ‘top’ long term goal simply because they do not necessarily enjoy the other game modes. We all bought the game for different reasons.

Perhaps such a change can not be made to the current legendaries, without causing an uproar, but maybe it could be considered for future ones.

hmm this is a possibility, but realize the only part of a legendary you cant get in WvW is dungeon tokens.

Jim Hunter.6821:

I absolutely agree the PvEers shouldn’t be forced into WvW for their flashy items. That being said WvW should have it’s own way of getting top gear items without having to PvE or craft. That or just scale ascended and legendary stats down to exotic in WvW.

see it wasnt supposed to be a pve flashy item, it was supposed to be everybodies flashy item. pve flashy items, to this date i think its dungeon armor and teq/wurm skins. I do think they need to add some WvW flashy items though

WvW people complain for a year about how getting a legendary is IMPOSSIBLE to do with only WvW and having to do lots of PvE to get it, and we get nothing to help us. PvE people complain for 1 week about having actually do a TINY bit of ACTUAL WvW (not just running around waiting for completion asking people to take stuff for them), and it gets temporarily removed to “re-evaluate”.

If PvE’ers can get great shinies without having to really do WvW, can WvW people FINALLY get some real shinies that they can get only doing WvW? I mean, give a rest on the “new” masteries. Give us some WvW shinies (note: those “new” skins they gave us earlier this year weren’t even new…weren’t great…not really worth it for level 80 WvW players). Maybe if anet actually listened to their WvW people, instead of constantly pandering to the PvE masses, they’d get more money from us (heck, Im sure that quaggan finisher got them quite a bit!)

It seems clear to me that legendaries are a PvE reward.

Therefore, I request a WvW reward and a spvp reward, thank you.

VOLKON.1290:

Gift of Battle. (Battle not required.)

Sounds like a punch-line waiting to happen.

You don’t say!! <3

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Vol.7601:

Zale.9645:

Vol.7601:

Zale.9645:

Thank God for this. There is no question that WvW should not be required for a legendary and kitten all you kittens that say otherwise.

Gonna enjoy snagging my gift of battle without having to consort with you PvP mongrels.

Looks like someone has had their share of being a PvP ‘griefing’ victim

Never once PVP’d in this game. I have class.

Says the person who compares PvP/WvWers to ‘mongrels’

We’re not all that bad

True, you’re not all that bad. But just because you find one or two good apples in the barrel doesn’t mean the rest aren’t rotten and worm infested.

Can you tell that I’ve pretty much had it with people’s attitudes?

I can tell that someone needs a thicker skin, better patience and an introspection.

Zale and Lan just need a hug. WvW people are friendly people! Come here, guys manly WvW hugs all around

eleshazar.6902:

Allie Murdock.8152:

We will be removing all rank requirements for the Gift of Battle in the February 18th build and further evaluate what those requirements will be. We do not currently have an ETA for when rank requirements will be reinstated.

Why? There is so much PvE that is required out of a legendary. Now you don’t have to step foot in WvW longer than to buy your gift of battle since you put badges in achievement chests. I thought this was a great move to make a legendary actually have you try more game modes before getting a legendary. Now you just have to PvE for the whole thing :-( Ever since adding the badges into AP chests the gift of battle no longer is a sign of trying out WvW, which is what it was intended to be when you could only get badges from being in WvW.

I’ve been playing since release and my character was barely lvl19 the other day. Coming from GW1 (which was also my first mmo) I find wvw disappointing and repulsive cause it reminds me of open world pvp and zergy sieges in standard mmos which I hate apart from the performance clusterpoop it comes with. I don’t know where anet got their “inspiration” trough the years but it wasn’t from their own game and the fact that they love wvw is proof that they can never make pvp as good/fun/competitive as gw1 which was extraordinary even though it had it’s own flaws.
Now gw1 and many other games had “elite” armor that requires pve. In fact the legendaries are a pve thing in general. They can add wvw exclusive gear (even though we all know how many years it took them to allow pvp characters to unlock pve gear in gw1) but to force pvers to rank up in wvw when they already have to wvw for map exploration seems desperate. I feel like there’s one thing like that in almost every patch and some of it gets reverted only if there’s enough crying about it.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Vol.7601:

Zale.9645:

Vol.7601:

Zale.9645:

Thank God for this. There is no question that WvW should not be required for a legendary and kitten all you kittens that say otherwise.

Gonna enjoy snagging my gift of battle without having to consort with you PvP mongrels.

Looks like someone has had their share of being a PvP ‘griefing’ victim

Never once PVP’d in this game. I have class.

Says the person who compares PvP/WvWers to ‘mongrels’

We’re not all that bad

True, you’re not all that bad. But just because you find one or two good apples in the barrel doesn’t mean the rest aren’t rotten and worm infested.

Can you tell that I’ve pretty much had it with people’s attitudes?

I can tell that someone needs a thicker skin, better patience and an introspection.

I actually have very thick skin, and generally quite a lot of patience. However, that does not mean that I should settle for or allow people to be rude obnoxious brutes either. Just because this is the internet does not mean people should be allowed to act in some of the deplorable ways that they do. If no one stands up and says anything about it, nothing will be done. If people continue to take the ‘just toughen up’ attitude, nothing will be done about it. It will simply get worse.

We are human beings. We are supposed to have some semblance of civility. Most of which too many willing just toss right out the window in the pvp setting.

styx.7294:

Zale and Lan just need a hug. WvW people are friendly people! Come here, guys manly WvW hugs all around

I’m female… so you’re not bothering me in the least…

Phew, i better buy some more Gifts of Battle just in case before they are gone again.

iriyabran.6218:

eleshazar.6902:

Allie Murdock.8152:

We will be removing all rank requirements for the Gift of Battle in the February 18th build and further evaluate what those requirements will be. We do not currently have an ETA for when rank requirements will be reinstated.

Why? There is so much PvE that is required out of a legendary. Now you don’t have to step foot in WvW longer than to buy your gift of battle since you put badges in achievement chests. I thought this was a great move to make a legendary actually have you try more game modes before getting a legendary. Now you just have to PvE for the whole thing :-( Ever since adding the badges into AP chests the gift of battle no longer is a sign of trying out WvW, which is what it was intended to be when you could only get badges from being in WvW.

I’ve been playing since release and my character was barely lvl19 the other day. Coming from GW1 (which was also my first mmo) I find wvw disappointing and repulsive cause it reminds me of open world pvp and zergy sieges in standard mmos which I hate apart from the performance clusterpoop it comes with. I don’t know where anet got their “inspiration” trough the years but the fact that they love wvw is proof that they can never make pvp as good/fun/competitive as gw1 which was extraordinary even though it had it’s own flaws.
Now gw1 and many other games had “elite” armor that requires pve. In fact the legendaries are a pve thing in general. They can add wvw exclusive gear (even though we all know how many years it took them to allow pvp characters to unlock pve gear in gw1) but to force pvers to rank up in wvw when they already have to wvw for map exploration seems desperate. I feel like there’s one thing like that in almost every patch and some of it gets reverted only if there’s enough crying about it.

lvl19 means you’ve barely touched WvW. That’s about a weeks worth of casual play in WvW. No one is forcing anything down anyones throat, if you want a legendary you have to work for it. Legendaries are optional an I see no reason for them to have you play all the content to get it.

Honestly if you really want to have fun in WvW, join a guild who’s focus is WvW. Running in a good guild group with everyone is on TS and has proper builds is one of the most fun things ever. With a 25 man focused group you’ll chew through 60 man PUG groups.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

FenrirSlakt.3692:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Vol.7601:

Zale.9645:

Vol.7601:

Zale.9645:

Thank God for this. There is no question that WvW should not be required for a legendary and kitten all you kittens that say otherwise.

Gonna enjoy snagging my gift of battle without having to consort with you PvP mongrels.

Looks like someone has had their share of being a PvP ‘griefing’ victim

Never once PVP’d in this game. I have class.

Says the person who compares PvP/WvWers to ‘mongrels’

We’re not all that bad

True, you’re not all that bad. But just because you find one or two good apples in the barrel doesn’t mean the rest aren’t rotten and worm infested.

Can you tell that I’ve pretty much had it with people’s attitudes?

I can tell that someone needs a thicker skin, better patience and an introspection.

I actually have very thick skin, and generally quite a lot of patience. However, that does not mean that I should settle for or allow people to be rude obnoxious brutes either. Just because this is the internet does not mean people should be allowed to act in some of the deplorable ways that they do. If no one stands up and says anything about it, nothing will be done. If people continue to take the ‘just toughen up’ attitude, nothing will be done about it. It will simply get worse.

We are human beings. We are supposed to have some semblance of civility. Most of which too many willing just toss right out the window in the pvp setting.

styx.7294:

Zale and Lan just need a hug. WvW people are friendly people! Come here, guys manly WvW hugs all around

I’m female… so you’re not bothering me in the least…

Good ’cause bothering was not my intent =(

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I’m female… so you’re not bothering me in the least…

Female gamers are like unicorns. They exist only in dreams and cartoons.

:3

I am on desolation in a guild that runs wvw organized regularly. I can stand it for max half an hour before I get completely numb and bored. Please don’t give me advise I’ve played for a long time. Anet set some standards for me with gw1 and now they wanna force their watered down pvp.

styx.7294:

Good ’cause bothering was not my intent =(

chuckle

It was the choice of the phrase ‘manly hugs’ which, for many males, would make their skin crawl. Honestly, I don’t understand why so many guys are uncomfortable with a simple hug (unless the person is groping their kitten , which ok that would be weird), but you’re ok with slapping each other on the kitten while playing sports.

shrug

And you guys say females are confusing….

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Female gamers are like unicorns. They exist only in dreams and cartoons.

:3

chuckle

No, many of us just don’t care to correct some of the sad delusional males…

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

styx.7294:

Good ’cause bothering was not my intent =(

chuckle

It was the choice of the phrase ‘manly hugs’ which, for many males, would make their skin crawl. Honestly, I don’t understand why so many guys are uncomfortable with a simple hug (unless the person is groping their kitten , which ok that would be weird), but you’re ok with slapping each other on the kitten while playing sports.

shrug

And you guys say females are confusing….

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Female gamers are like unicorns. They exist only in dreams and cartoons.

:3

chuckle

No, many of us just don’t care to correct some of the sad delusional males…

One thing I can clear up is that I am most certainly not groping any kittens.

So just cause I want to smash you face with my greatsword means I lack civility? Geez, I wonder if you consider wrestlers, boxers or even football players as people who lack civility. All because they like to compete against others for fun in a ‘violent’ setting.

Who is the one who lacks civility here? The person who finds joy in playing a gamemode the way it is intended, or the person who assumes that certain individuals are the way they are based on the entertainment they partake?

It’s not a hard thing to realize from an unbiased perspective.

iriyabran.6218:

I am on desolation in a guild that runs wvw organized regularly. I can stand it for max half an hour before I get completely numb and bored. Please don’t give me advise I’ve played for a long time. Anet set some standards for me with gw1 and now they wanna force their watered down pvp.

Lvl 19 and you run regularly, I’m calling BS? Sounds like you’d rather be playing gw1.

I, for one, approve of this upcoming change. When I reached level 80, I slowly started to realize there wasn’t a whole lot of endgame – farming a Legendary being the most realistic goal. It was either that or grinding WvW.

Now, two things stop me from playing WvW: one, I have a sort of bad pc, resulting in crashes a lot. Two, I simply do not enjoy PvP. I didn’t enjoy it in any of the games I’ve played so far, with perhaps the exception of Halo.

Realizing World Completion included WvW maps made me feel slightly uncomfortable – I don’t want to go there, I don’t want to get stuck in PvP fights. And this is really where it all starts.

PvEers should not be forced to play PvP. And PvPers shouldn’t be forced to play PvE. If someone doesn’t enjoy to play either, why all the rage? I don’t understand why people get so fed up because other people enjoy other things.

(I’ll be buying my Gift of Battle the 18th)

Ruggs.8420:

iriyabran.6218:

I am on desolation in a guild that runs wvw organized regularly. I can stand it for max half an hour before I get completely numb and bored. Please don’t give me advise I’ve played for a long time. Anet set some standards for me with gw1 and now they wanna force their watered down pvp.

Lvl 19 and you run regularly, I’m calling BS? Sounds like you’d rather be playing gw1.

I said I’ve been playing for a long time in general not wvw specifically doesn’t mean I don’t know what wvw is. I’ve done everything there is to do in wvw cause I have a well organized guild. Don’t tell me I don’t know kitten just cause I didn’t grind 400 levels. If it takes you that long to get the idea of wvw I’d be concerned in your place.

What if my server lose all time ? Not every server is equal in wvw …

I think the legendary requirements should be reevaluated altogether, personally. There’s no reason why it should be so heavily based in one game mode or another, and quite honestly, the little bit of WvW included doesn’t add any challenge at all. I want a legendary, but when I finally craft one, I’ll feel more relieved that I finally made it rather than a sense of true accomplishment. Just my two cents, but I think if implemented properly, it could ease a lot of the tension between WvW and PvE players.

WvW crowd ask Anet for alternative ways of obtaining something outside of PvE.
WvW crowd thinks that Anet is ignoring them.
WvW crowd gets angry.
Anet try to force the PvE crowd to do WvW.
General uproar from the PvE crowd.
Anet decide to temporary revert the change.
WvWrs redirects their agner against PvE crowd because they feel ingnored.
WvW crowd: if we are unhappy, carebear PvErs should too.

I think this sums up the discussion. Is it possible? °-°

Arkvan.3561:

I, for one, approve of this upcoming change. When I reached level 80, I slowly started to realize there wasn’t a whole lot of endgame – farming a Legendary being the most realistic goal. It was either that or grinding WvW.

Now, two things stop me from playing WvW: one, I have a sort of bad pc, resulting in crashes a lot. Two, I simply do not enjoy PvP. I didn’t enjoy it in any of the games I’ve played so far, with perhaps the exception of Halo.

Realizing World Completion included WvW maps made me feel slightly uncomfortable – I don’t want to go there, I don’t want to get stuck in PvP fights. And this is really where it all starts.

PvEers should not be forced to play PvP. And PvPers shouldn’t be forced to play PvE. If someone doesn’t enjoy to play either, why all the rage? I don’t understand why people get so fed up because other people enjoy other things.

(I’ll be buying my Gift of Battle the 18th)

If you can’t handle some PvP then there is nothing “legendary” about you.

Erick Alastor.3917:

WvW crowd ask Anet for alternative ways of obtaining something outside of PvE.
WvW crowd thinks that Anet is ignoring them.
WvW crowd gets angry.
Anet try to force the PvE crowd to do WvW.
General uproar from the PvE crowd.
Anet decide to temporary revert the change.
WvWrs redirects their agner against PvE crowd because they feel ingnored.
WvW crowd: if we are unhappy, carebear PvErs should too.

I think this sums up the discussion. Is it possible? °-°

Ascended crafting was handled worse. I don’t know why it’s suddenly about legendaries.

Just wondering what the PvP Community Coordinator has to do with Gift of Battle Rank Requirements.